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2013-02-25 04:00:52 PM  

theurge14: Marcus Aurelius:
They didn't force the chief architect to use Windows 8 on a real computer with twin 24" monitors mounted at arm's length.  They fell in love with their little pad computers and completely lost track of their base, 99% of whom do not have a touch screen monitor.

I'm no market analyst but I can tell from Photoshops I've seen of PC sales charts that twin-monitor desktops are not what is selling, and not their "base".  I'm also kinda bad at basic math without using a calculator but I'm pretty sure 99% is a bullshiat number pulled out of the butt of a brontosaurus in bullshiat land.


All my numbers are based on a vast sample of over 7 different people, so I don't know how you can say that.  I'm hurt.
 
2013-02-25 04:04:49 PM  

ColdFusion: I typically used the Start Button to access my programs. Never needed to type in it before.


You've never had to run a command prompt?
 
2013-02-25 04:05:20 PM  
After I uninstalled the Metro style image and PDF viewers, and turned off "hot corners", the experience became more than bearable. The OS itself is great, the UI takes 3 minutes to get used to.

It is nothing like the disaster of ME, or even the screwup of Vista. It's just a UI paradigm hiccup that can be easily circumvented.

//Engineer, been on Win8 since RTM last summer, now have it on both work and home boxes with zero regret.
 
2013-02-25 04:05:58 PM  
just try it. Some people here hate it. Some like it (me included). I do not get the hate nor have i missed a start screen and I'm actually starting to like metro. It took me awhile to configure it how i want but now it's nice to pull it up and use. It has been rock solid and have not encountered any real problems. So for me it works fine and i'm glad i upgraded.
 
2013-02-25 04:07:20 PM  

cman: Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.

The interface is so bad that you will want to use bleach on your eyes


CSB time:  Went to get a new monitor Friday night and decided to play with a Windows 8 machine (had done so before and didn't enjoy the experience)...wanted to get very very stabby when I couldn't just click out of IE 10 and back to the desktop.

I, for one, wonder who was the genius that didn't say to the PTB the following: "Why don't we give our customers the option of using the Luna-styled interface or Metro at installation?"

And, if they did, I'd like to know his/her superior that shot down that idea.
 
2013-02-25 04:08:34 PM  
yukichigai:
You've never had to run a command prompt?

I, too, have no idea what you are talking about.  There are lots of ways to open the command prompt, including Win+r and typing cmd, which I tend to just do out of habit.  You can also press Win and then type "com", or "pr" to bring it up depending on what other programs you have installed.  You can pin it to the task bar, the start menu or your desktop.

I honestly do not know what you are referring to specifically.
 
2013-02-25 04:10:07 PM  
yukichigai:
Login screen, for one.

I just tested this, any action at all besides moving the mouse lets you start typing.  Any keystroke or click and then just type your password.  In fact, moving the mouse is the one thing that WON'T work.
 
2013-02-25 04:10:25 PM  
i like how none of this has anything to do with W8.  best buy didnt sell enough machines at christmas (or anything over the last several years) and needs to move those boxes.  it just happens to be W8 because they said customers like them.  im not pro W8 mind you.  im still using 7 and skipped vista altogether.  maybe 9 will be okay but im not holding my breath.

but the article was about BB, not the state of W8 as a whole.  i bought my last cell phone there but otherwise nothing from BB in 12 years.  they just cant compete on any product with any other retailer anymore.
 
2013-02-25 04:10:31 PM  
I recently "upgraded" to Window 8 Pro when it was on sale for $40 a few weeks ago.

The good:
The design overall is very minimalist and I really like that a lot. The upgrade process was almost totally painless - hands down the smoothest OS upgrade/install I've ever done. The new file copy dialogue box is pretty awesome. $40 bucks and I have my first ever fully legit Windows install! If they priced the previous ones like this I might have bought earlier versions of Windows, but I'm a working class dude so $300 for an OS is a big chunk of cash for me and is going to make me pirate it - sorry, it might not be fair or right but it's the truth... $40 though was great, so I snatched it up. DirectX 11.1 - which maybe some day I might possibly use, maybe... we'll see.

The bad:
It's slower... On the exact same hardware that I was running Windows 7 (intel i5 CPU, 16 gigs of RAM, 560Ti OC video card, etc...) the basic functions - like opening windows, starting programs, copying files - all have a noticeable slight delay under Win8 that they didn't have under Win7. And on a machine with mine's specs basic stuff like that should not show much of a difference. The new Metro interface I think I would grow fond of on a tablet.... but on my gaming machine it's complete dogshiat - so I hid it immediately. It seems like a waste because there's actually no NEED to upgrade to 8, because 7 pretty much does everything 8 does except for Metro (which I don't want on an actual PC anyway) and DirectX 11.1 (which won't matter until I get a 3D monitor anyway, and still probably not for quite a while after that) - and in my experience 7 provides a more responsive GUI. No Start button with its program list to find that one program you only use once a month or something (and have I mentioned yet that Metro is a shiatty substitute on a PC? Because it really is).


I think I will probably be downgrading back to 7 soon, unless they issue a patch soon. The extra moment or two when I open a window may not seem like much... but on my gaming machine I notice it, and being that it wasn't there under 7 - on the same damn hardware - it annoys me.

The good news though, is that if you really do need DirectX 11.1 or something then you're going to love the upgrade process.
 
2013-02-25 04:11:56 PM  

Beta Tested: yukichigai:
You've never had to run a command prompt?

I, too, have no idea what you are talking about.  There are lots of ways to open the command prompt, including Win+r and typing cmd, which I tend to just do out of habit.  You can also press Win and then type "com", or "pr" to bring it up depending on what other programs you have installed.  You can pin it to the task bar, the start menu or your desktop.

I honestly do not know what you are referring to specifically.


That was in response to him saying he never had to type in his program names before.  All of those things you listed there involved typing.
 
2013-02-25 04:12:10 PM  

yukichigai: And this right here is why as a gamer I will never use Windows 8.  I mean I guess I'm in the minority here who doesn't want their solo effort taking down Crawmerax to be interrupted by the Charms Bar helpfully popping up and stealing focus.


I game a lot and have never had this happen, are you playing in normal fullscreen or in borderless mode?  borderless mode is sort of designed for you to be able to access the OS functions.
 
2013-02-25 04:13:08 PM  
Well except pinning it :P
 
2013-02-25 04:13:59 PM  

Solkar: I'm a Mac guy in my private life since the mid-80s, but have had to use Windows for work since the 3.1 days. My in-laws bought me a Dell laptop with Win 7 a couple of years ago. Microsoft ran a deal back in January to get Win 8 for $40, so I upgraded, installed Pokki to replace the Start menu and avoid Metro ... and I think it's the best experience I've ever had with Windows. And it runs much faster than it ever did with Win 7 - it's like a brand-new machine.

Other than the dislike for Metro, which is understandable, I don't get all the hate.


It's because of Metro. More to the point, it's that desktop users have the Metro interface forced on them. If Win8 provided the option to easily switch back and forth without having to download and install third-party software, it would be more well received.

The interface is key, and I hate, hate, HATE having to learn a new interface when the old one worked so well. I held onto my Office 2003 as long as possible until my computer crapped out and I had to upgrade. TO be fair, I like a lot of the Office 2010 features, but I miss my old interface. It made sense to me, and I should have the option to use the previous interface if I want. I still resent being forced to use the new system. I can appreciate giving people the option, but there was no need to toss what worked and force people to use a clunky new system that I still find slower than using the old system.

So yes, Metro is the reason for the hate, and deservedly so. The simple option would be to have Win8 use the regular configuration for desktops and Metro for tablets. It auto-detects and configures accordingly. If you want to switch over, it shouldn't take more than two or three clicks, because giving consumers the option will make it more appealing. There, I've solved the Win8 dilema.
 
2013-02-25 04:14:18 PM  
Windows 8 is fine.

The real problem Microsoft has is that windows 7 is too good, and nobody wants to upgrade because there is no compelling reason to.
 
2013-02-25 04:14:52 PM  
yukichigai:
That was in response to him saying he never had to type in his program names before.  All of those things you listed there involved typing.

Typing is just the fastest way, I listed 2 ways at the end to get to it without typing.  At this point I am pretty sure you are being intentionally obtuse and trolling.
 
2013-02-25 04:15:28 PM  

MrSteve007: What a derpy headline, considering this is a meat of the article: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

They're lowing the prices of touchscreen PC's by $100, because people like using Win 8 on a touchscreen. And this is somehow news?


It's news to those who mistakenly thought they knew how supply and demand work.
 
2013-02-25 04:15:31 PM  

yukichigai:
And this right here is why as a gamer I will never use Windows 8.  I mean I guess I'm in the minority here who doesn't want their solo effort taking down Crawmerax to be interrupted by the Charms Bar helpfully popping up and stealing focus.

I game fine, but I do run in full screen mode, which pre-empts this.  If you run windows or borderless windowed, then maybe you have a problem there.  I'll grant that could be an issue.

MightyPez: ColdFusion: What's so bad about it?  I mean, specifically.  All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).

This covers the complaints quite nicely


Reading it now, but I'm already finding stuff that is just not true.

It claims it uses double the memory, but my memory usage has decreased since I switched.  Benchmarking generally shows an (albeit modest) improvement to performance within the Win8 environment.  Complaints about not knowing which "environment" to use?  The Start Screen is only an "environment" for single-purpose apps; it's like "Big Picture" mode for Steam.  Otherwise, it's a full-screen start menu that is easier to customize visually.

As for claims that it can't run more than one window?  I'm running 5 windows right now (Steam, Steam Message, Control Panel, File Explorer and Chrome), with no problem.  Oh, he means within the start screen?  I wasn't aware that it was designed for multitasking; that's what the desktop is for.

The guy complains that it's hard to know where to click to make it do something, by showing a picture of several icons.  Why doesn't he try clicking on the little pictures?  The people in idiocracy knew how to do that shiat:
 2.bp.blogspot.com

The gripes about the "low information density" of Start Screen apps?  Perfectly valid, especially about 5 months ago when there were a lot fewer apps by only a few sources.  Now, if you want higher information density, there's a wide variety of apps from all over the place.  And you can still use the damn desktop.

Live tiles complaint?  If you have trouble figuring out which apps are which (guessing maybe you forgot how you arranged them that way and why), you can right click and disable the live tile function.  The Charms bar?  Yeah, fairly useless for the most part.  Would've worked better with a standard set of tiles you can choose to use or not use on your screen.

That article seems to assume that you use the Start Screen for almost everything on the planet, ignoring that they give you a big "Desktop" tile on the Start Screen for a reason.  Start Screen is a big start menu that can run single-purpose apps.  I'm pretty sure they didn't design it for everyone to live in it.  The single-purpose apps are good for a quick morning briefing before work, not for doing all your work on 'em.
 
2013-02-25 04:16:39 PM  

Beta Tested: yukichigai: And this right here is why as a gamer I will never use Windows 8.  I mean I guess I'm in the minority here who doesn't want their solo effort taking down Crawmerax to be interrupted by the Charms Bar helpfully popping up and stealing focus.

I game a lot and have never had this happen, are you playing in normal fullscreen or in borderless mode?  borderless mode is sort of designed for you to be able to access the OS functions.


Dual-monitor user, so I frequently make use of "Fullscreen Windowed" mode so I can leave something open on the other monitor and access it, say a guide or a forum post or even just my chat window.  Even in normal Fullscreen mode though I've noticed that quite a few games seem to let the cursor wander invisibly when I'm controlling the game, so certain things will highlight when the invisible cursor is over them.  Clicks and such are redirected though, so it's never been an issue, but with a system that does things based solely on where your cursor IS, not where you click....

Out of curiosity, what games are you playing?  The most notable offenders I find are Gamebryo games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, New Vegas, etc., or even Borderlands 2 and a few others.
 
2013-02-25 04:17:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: I think I will probably be downgrading back to 7 soon, unless they issue a patch soon. The extra moment or two when I open a window may not seem like much... but on my gaming machine I notice it, and being that it wasn't there under 7 - on the same damn hardware - it annoys me.


Have you checked your power management settings? Sandy bridge processors clock down to like 1.6ghz when idle to save power, and if your power management is enabled, lots of things will never trigger the processor to step up to it's full speed.

Make sure all that shiat is turned off.
 
2013-02-25 04:17:24 PM  
One of the things that hasn't been mentioned enough is how execrably ugly this is:
img198.imageshack.us
And it doesn't look better on a 20" high resolution screen. Aesthetics are a part of the user experience and Microsoft has released the ugliest looking product I've seen in a long, long time.
 
2013-02-25 04:17:49 PM  

Beta Tested: yukichigai:
That was in response to him saying he never had to type in his program names before.  All of those things you listed there involved typing.

Typing is just the fastest way, I listed 2 ways at the end to get to it without typing.  At this point I am pretty sure you are being intentionally obtuse and trolling.


I corrected my post immediately after, jackass.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:20 PM  
I like it, its pretty damn easy to avoid the metro interface entirely.
 
2013-02-25 04:19:21 PM  

yukichigai: ColdFusion: I typically used the Start Button to access my programs. Never needed to type in it before.

You've never had to run a command prompt?


Sounds like you're going about it some bizarre convoluted way instead of using Win+R and then typing 'cmd'.  Like a boss.
 
2013-02-25 04:21:58 PM  

ColdFusion: yukichigai: ColdFusion: I typically used the Start Button to access my programs. Never needed to type in it before.

You've never had to run a command prompt?

Sounds like you're going about it some bizarre convoluted way instead of using Win+R and then typing 'cmd'.  Like a boss.


I'm bolding the two parts here where you contradicted yourself and completely missed the point I was trying to make.
 
2013-02-25 04:22:03 PM  

red5ish: One of the things that hasn't been mentioned enough is how execrably ugly this is:
[img198.imageshack.us image 606x341]
And it doesn't look better on a 20" high resolution screen. Aesthetics are a part of the user experience and Microsoft has released the ugliest looking product I've seen in a long, long time.


It's also clear at a glance what each item on that menu is, making it faster. I'm sorry it doesn't have curved edges and gradients.

To make my point, below is a very shiny pretty icon. Which gives you no farking clue at all what it is or does.

icons.iconarchive.com

If you don't know what that icon is, you'll never guess its purpose.
 
2013-02-25 04:23:16 PM  

LikeALeafOnTheWind: I like it, its pretty damn easy to avoid the metro interface entirely.


Yes...but to people that were weened on the Luna interface (from 95 onwards), it's jarring and confusing.
 
2013-02-25 04:24:44 PM  
www.blogcdn.com
Goodbye, Mac.  I'm off to get Fisher-Price icons tattooed all over me.
 
2013-02-25 04:25:14 PM  
Skip every other OS release.  7 was a good.  Time to skip.
 
2013-02-25 04:25:49 PM  

yukichigai: Dual-monitor user, so I frequently make use of "Fullscreen Windowed" mode so I can leave something open on the other monitor and access it, say a guide or a forum post or even just my chat window.  Even in normal Fullscreen mode though I've noticed that quite a few games seem to let the cursor wander invisibly when I'm controlling the game, so certain things will highlight when the invisible cursor is over them.  Clicks and such are redirected though, so it's never been an issue, but with a system that does things based solely on where your cursor IS, not where you click....

Out of curiosity, what games are you playing?  The most notable offenders I find are Gamebryo games like Fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim, New Vegas, etc., or even Borderlands 2 and a few others.


I play all of those, but not in borderless mode.  The mouse skipping off isn't an OS thing, it is the executable that governs mouse behavior in different environments.  If you run game borderless with multiple monitors you are going to get some strange behavior with the cursor, I can't think of a way around it.  Borderlands 2 is Unreal.  I've never had issues with any of them.
 
2013-02-25 04:27:34 PM  

ColdFusion: yukichigai: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Login screen, for one.

Huh.  On mine, I just click anywhere and it pops straight to the username and password entry screen.


stevetherobot: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Basically anything that you would have clicked the Start button for.

I typically used the Start Button to access my programs.  Never needed to type in it before.


I guess I misunderstood the question.  I thought they were talking about how you bring up the Charms bar or icon bar or whatever you call it.

Speaking of which, is there a better way to access programs than to move your mouse to the corner to bring up the Charms bar and then click on Search?
 
2013-02-25 04:28:09 PM  

cgraves67: I tried Win8 on a touchscreen laptop this weekend. I felt it was a positive experience, but I could quickly see how using the live-tile display would be a pain with a mouse and using a 28" touchscreen monitor would be a pain as well. So it's not really a good idea for desktops. However the touchscreen laptop was, perhaps, the perfect application for it.


I have no doubt in my mind that it's great on a tablet.
 
2013-02-25 04:28:13 PM  

yukichigai: ColdFusion: yukichigai: ColdFusion: I typically used the Start Button to access my programs. Never needed to type in it before.

You've never had to run a command prompt?

Sounds like you're going about it some bizarre convoluted way instead of using Win+R and then typing 'cmd'.  Like a boss.

I'm bolding the two parts here where you contradicted yourself and completely missed the point I was trying to make.


Win+R opens a WINDOW.  Not the Start Screen/Menu.  I don't input text into the Start Screen/Menu, I type it into a window called "Run".  I didn't have to touch anything with "Start" in the name.

Nor did I have to  "click drag this thing down to reveal the text prompt".  Indeed, I didn't click anything.  Didn't even have to touch the mouse.  Win+R and 'cmd' are on the keyboard.
 
2013-02-25 04:29:42 PM  
I don't use the Windows 8 features as far as I can tell; I just go to the Windows 7-type desktop and go from there. Also, it demands I activate it every couple of hours; which of course I've already done. It won't let me enter the code that I own legally and fair; I tried to call a Microsoft rep about it but got stuck in an Indian nightmare so I hung up.

Windows 7 was better. No question. Windows 8 seems like Windows 7 with some colory icons added.
 
2013-02-25 04:30:12 PM  

ColdFusion: It claims it uses double the memory, but my memory usage has decreased since I switched.


At no point does it say this. I don't think you're actually reading the article, just skimming bullet points.

Hint: "Memory" in the context of this article does not refer to anything in the computer
Hint 2: Read the top of the website on what the consulting group does
 
2013-02-25 04:31:09 PM  

stevetherobot: ColdFusion: yukichigai: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Login screen, for one.

Huh.  On mine, I just click anywhere and it pops straight to the username and password entry screen.


stevetherobot: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Basically anything that you would have clicked the Start button for.

I typically used the Start Button to access my programs.  Never needed to type in it before.

I guess I misunderstood the question.  I thought they were talking about how you bring up the Charms bar or icon bar or whatever you call it.

Speaking of which, is there a better way to access programs than to move your mouse to the corner to bring up the Charms bar and then click on Search?


Hit the Win key and start typing. Typing in the metro/start screen automatically starts searching.
 
2013-02-25 04:31:39 PM  

stevetherobot: ColdFusion: yukichigai: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Login screen, for one.

Huh.  On mine, I just click anywhere and it pops straight to the username and password entry screen.


stevetherobot: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Basically anything that you would have clicked the Start button for.

I typically used the Start Button to access my programs.  Never needed to type in it before.

I guess I misunderstood the question.  I thought they were talking about how you bring up the Charms bar or icon bar or whatever you call it.

Speaking of which, is there a better way to access programs than to move your mouse to the corner to bring up the Charms bar and then click on Search?


Open Start Screen, right-click anywhere that isn't an app tile.  Go to the lower right corner and click "All Apps".  It'll give you a full list of everything available.  If you use a program often enough, you should right click it to pin it to your taskbar or start screen for quick launching.
 
2013-02-25 04:31:49 PM  

yukichigai: I'm bolding the two parts here where you contradicted yourself and completely missed the point I was trying to make.


If everyone missed your point then you didn't make it very well.  Now, it can be hard to follow things in a busy thread since it is like having a conversation in a loud room, and I complete lost your point since you were responding in one liners.  It helps to explain a bit first.

He was probably intimating that after you pin something you never have to type to get there again, and he probably pins commonly used items.  And, in fact, you can access everything without typing at all to pin stuff (click all apps).  Although better and faster searching is one of the good things about Win8 and the new start menu, so I don't know why you wouldn't use it.

You also picked a poor example by calling out the command prompt, which is easily accessed without leaving the desktop the the run screen.  That led to further confusion, you would have been better off picking something you'd normally go to the start menu for.

And I apologize for calling you a troll.
 
2013-02-25 04:32:27 PM  

Confabulat: Also, it demands I activate it every couple of hours; which of course I've already done.


ITT: someone with pirate software complains it doesn't work right....
 
2013-02-25 04:33:02 PM  

soporific: So yes, Metro is the reason for the hate, and deservedly so. The simple option would be to have Win8 use the regular configuration for desktops and Metro for tablets. It auto-detects and configures accordingly. If you want to switch over, it shouldn't take more than two or three clicks, because giving consumers the option will make it more appealing. There, I've solved the Win8 dilema.


That's a good idea, if you want to keep users in their computing UI comfort zone.

Microsoft is betting on the Metro-style interface They're attempting to standardize the UI between desktops, laptops, tablets, phones and the TV (via Xbox).

They don't want you to stick with the old systems, they want to unify the UI for all devices - which in the long-run, makes sense.
 
2013-02-25 04:33:02 PM  

Beta Tested: yukichigai:
You've never had to run a command prompt?

I, too, have no idea what you are talking about.  There are lots of ways to open the command prompt, including Win+r and typing cmd, which I tend to just do out of habit.  You can also press Win and then type "com", or "pr" to bring it up depending on what other programs you have installed.  You can pin it to the task bar, the start menu or your desktop.

I honestly do not know what you are referring to specifically.


That's another thing I don't like about Windows 8. Pressing the Win key now brings up the Metro UI.
 
2013-02-25 04:33:27 PM  

red5ish: One of the things that hasn't been mentioned enough is how execrably ugly this is:
[img198.imageshack.us image 606x341]
And it doesn't look better on a 20" high resolution screen. Aesthetics are a part of the user experience and Microsoft has released the ugliest looking product I've seen in a long, long time.


yeah, looks like the new paint scheme for a teenager's bedroom in a home depot commercial.  this is what you get when you let women design things for men.  sheesh.

/i keed
//kind of
 
2013-02-25 04:35:22 PM  

stevetherobot: That's another thing I don't like about Windows 8. Pressing the Win key now brings up the Metro UI.


That isn't the Metro UI, it is the start menu, the new and better designed one.  Pressing the windows key in Win7 also opens the start menu.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:27 PM  

ColdFusion: Reading it now, but I'm already finding stuff that is just not true.


Are you not familiar with Jakob Nielsen? Because your comments seem to presume that he is some know-nothing blogger who can be disregarded as having no authority or ability to deliver valid criticism.
 
2013-02-25 04:37:54 PM  

Beta Tested: stevetherobot: That's another thing I don't like about Windows 8. Pressing the Win key now brings up the Metro UI.

That isn't the Metro UI, it is the start menu, the new and better designed one.  Pressing the windows key in Win7 also opens the start menu.


That's a matter of opinion.
 
2013-02-25 04:39:38 PM  

stevetherobot: Beta Tested: stevetherobot: That's another thing I don't like about Windows 8. Pressing the Win key now brings up the Metro UI.

That isn't the Metro UI, it is the start menu, the new and better designed one.  Pressing the windows key in Win7 also opens the start menu.

That's a matter of opinion.


A large part of my job is UI design, it is objectively better and uses better design principles.  How it looks aesthetically is a matter of opinion (I personally like it).
 
2013-02-25 04:42:26 PM  

MrSteve007: soporific: So yes, Metro is the reason for the hate, and deservedly so. The simple option would be to have Win8 use the regular configuration for desktops and Metro for tablets. It auto-detects and configures accordingly. If you want to switch over, it shouldn't take more than two or three clicks, because giving consumers the option will make it more appealing. There, I've solved the Win8 dilema.

That's a good idea, if you want to keep users in their computing UI comfort zone.

Microsoft is betting on the Metro-style interface They're attempting to standardize the UI between desktops, laptops, tablets, phones and the TV (via Xbox).

They don't want you to stick with the old systems, they want to unify the UI for all devices - which in the long-run, makes sense.


No offense but...hasn't Apple already accomplished this with their OS on both their Mac and their IDevices?
 
2013-02-25 04:42:44 PM  

MightyPez: ColdFusion: It claims it uses double the memory, but my memory usage has decreased since I switched.

At no point does it say this. I don't think you're actually reading the article, just skimming bullet points.

Hint: "Memory" in the context of this article does not refer to anything in the computer
Hint 2: Read the top of the website on what the consulting group does


Ah, so basically, their gripe is that Windows 8 is too hard for people to remember how to use?  I'm sure it's a fine and respectable firm and all, and I'm sure their research into Windows 8 was rigorous.

But Windows 8 is just Windows 7 with a Start Screen instead of a Start Menu plus a few minor things like the Charms Bar (which does suck).  That's really all it is in terms of UI.  Excepting the first 30 minutes of figuring things out and googling stuff, I've really noticed not much of a difference except that I can run a dedicated app for internet radio in a sidebar.

Now, my mom is having a small bit of trouble with her new touchscreen laptop, but she's never been good with any version of Windows beyond basic functionality.  The switch from Win7 to Win8 has been as jarring for her as the switch from WinVista to Win 7, from WinXP to WinVista, from Win9x to WinXP (I managed to keep her away from WinME) and Win3 to Win9x.  Every time, she has had to deal with a "zomg things are different and I'm not good with computers" problem whenever Windows moved up another level.

For those folks, I imagine Win8 is gonna suck balls for a couple days, and then it's back to Windows-as-usual.
 
2013-02-25 04:43:04 PM  

red5ish: One of the things that hasn't been mentioned enough is how execrably ugly this is:
[img198.imageshack.us image 606x341]
And it doesn't look better on a 20" high resolution screen. Aesthetics are a part of the user experience and Microsoft has released the ugliest looking product I've seen in a long, long time.


I don't really have a problem with the look.  I DO have a problem with it insisting on both taking up an entire monitor and having only one level of organizational depth.  On my dual-screen setup I really wouldn't mind it doing a whole screen, since I usually have a "biatch monitor" that I shove unimportant things off to anyway.  On my laptop though (my non-touchscreen laptop with the huge beautiful display) it seems rather unnecessary and disruptive.  I'm a big boy; I can handle having something in the background while I figure out what other program I want to run.

The lack of nested menu organization is a killer though.  I like things to be organized into groupings of program type (Audio, Video, Game, Maintenance, etc.), then folders for each individual program if they have multiple components/etc.  Instead you get one level and that's it.  That's just bad.
 
2013-02-25 04:43:05 PM  

Solkar: I'm a Mac guy in my private life since the mid-80s, but have had to use Windows for work since the 3.1 days. My in-laws bought me a Dell laptop with Win 7 a couple of years ago. Microsoft ran a deal back in January to get Win 8 for $40, so I upgraded, installed Pokki to replace the Start menu and avoid Metro ... and I think it's the best experience I've ever had with Windows. And it runs much faster than it ever did with Win 7 - it's like a brand-new machine.

Other than the dislike for Metro, which is understandable, I don't get all the hate.


This, Windows 8 is measurably better than Windows 7 in almost every way. It is faster, more stable, and has tons of useful built in features like a better task manager, better file transfer and true don't have to bother with security/maintenance. Sure it takes a few days to get used to but even if you do want the start menu back you have options. Whatever though.
 
2013-02-25 04:50:33 PM  

red5ish: ColdFusion: Reading it now, but I'm already finding stuff that is just not true.

Are you not familiar with Jakob Nielsen? Because your comments seem to presume that he is some know-nothing blogger who can be disregarded as having no authority or ability to deliver valid criticism.


Does his authority in any field exempt his points from scrutiny?  Because I was pretty sure those still have to stand on their own.

""Windows"no longer supports multiple windowson the screen." is FACTUALLY UNTRUE.

Here's a screenshot of my computer right now using multiple windows:
http://i.imgur.com/zgMT3YM.png

But he's Jakob Nielson, therefore what is right in my face isn't real.  Right?
 
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