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2013-02-25 03:03:38 PM
shiat, I meant 5. fark me.
 
2013-02-25 03:05:12 PM
I'm looking forward to six months from now when Windows Blue comes out and everyone has something new to biatch and moan about.

I can go weeks without seeing Metro on Windows 8 or full installs of Server 2012.
 
2013-02-25 03:05:39 PM
I tried Win8 on a touchscreen laptop this weekend. I felt it was a positive experience, but I could quickly see how using the live-tile display would be a pain with a mouse and using a 28" touchscreen monitor would be a pain as well. So it's not really a good idea for desktops. However the touchscreen laptop was, perhaps, the perfect application for it.
 
2013-02-25 03:06:02 PM

macdaddy357: Do you hear that, Microsoft? The marketplace has spoken. Nobody wants Windows 8. Recall it while you are still in business.


Metro actually works fine on a tablet. In fact, I will say it's more then fine, it's actually pretty nice. I expect tiles, icons, etc, on a touch surface tablet computer. But on a desktop type system (laptops included) it's awkward.
If MS would patch the damn thing to let the user shove the Metro UI out of sight, and give users the option of the legacy start button, then I think most of the complaints would go away.
 
2013-02-25 03:07:49 PM
Touchscreen = Voice recognition = OCR = FAIL

All three sound great to an uninformed consumer until the actually try to use them and find out the old interfaces were always better and that why we used them.


And you can add 'everything on 1 remote' for your entertainment system.
 
2013-02-25 03:08:04 PM
Eh, another Win8 hate thread.

New computer came with Win 8, planned to downgrade it but gave it a shot.  Thirty minutes and a couple questions on google and I was good to go.  Still use the start screen, customized it for my needs and it works faster for me than the start menu ever did.  Nice to have a dedicated TuneInRadio app for streaming music while I work.  All my stuff is exactly where I want it on the start screen; nothing I don't want is visible.  I just go direct for what I want.  I wouldn't want the old start menu back now.

I can understand why the business people hate it.  But they always seem to hate every change.  fark, I remember the whining about how Windows XP was going to be the cancer that killed computing because of the Authentication system, and how it was the worst thing to happen to the Enterprise-sector sales since the invention of taxes.

/Still have no idea why people have problems with the Metro interface using a mouse.
//It's still farking icons, you just click once instead of twice.
///Not complicated.
 
2013-02-25 03:08:14 PM

ha-ha-guy: What I don't get is why Microsoft ever felt the need to inflict Win8 upon us in the form that they did.  I get that you want to leverage touch screens, move in the direction of common UI themes across multiple platforms, etc.   That said make it so Win8 has a switch in it where you can either do a Win7 desktop style or the Win8 tiles. Let the consumer pick.

For example a tablet that ran around in tile model, but could be set so when your bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected it automatically flipped over to the classic UI would be nice.  A laptop that detected when you folder the screen over into slate mode and switched to tiles would also be awesome.  Tiles could also exist in the classic UI like widgets.  Let me pick how much I want.  Like just a row of the touch tiles on the bottom of the screen.

Each UI has its perks, so while the hell did anyone think it was a good idea to make you pick just one?

/also Windows should be smart enough to determine if each monitor is touch table or not and react.  Another awesome mode would be my giant 24" monitor in front of me and a 15" touch monitor lying flat on the desk that I can use to input commands


They didn't force the chief architect to use Windows 8 on a real computer with twin 24" monitors mounted at arm's length.  They fell in love with their little pad computers and completely lost track of their base, 99% of whom do not have a touch screen monitor.  If they had forced that pinhead to use a typical desktop set-up, they could have saved themselves and everyone else a lot of aggravation.  They have an Apple fixation fetish, and they're paying for it.  And so are we.
 
2013-02-25 03:10:10 PM
Let me change my comment. I think I used the wrong wording. They could sell laptops without touch screens. However, if you want the little sticker that says "Windows 8 capable" on box/case/whatever, Microsoft would have required a touch screen. (And a couple of sensible things like CPU speed and min RAM.)

It'll pressure the manufacturers into a better user experience through better hardware. I'm not suggesting that they come without keyboards. I'm not suggesting you have to use a touchscreen. Heck, I'm not even saying it is a requirement. What I am suggesting is a little better marketing. Because which one will the average consumer buy, the one with or without the sticker that proudly proclaims it was "Built for Windows 8"? Granted, there will always be some where price will prohibit them from buying. I understand why there was a Celeron market. I understand some people want specific hardware. It's why we still have desktops. What I am suggesting is a little better marketing. Tiny little stickers that can sway the market.

(Or I'd imagine it would sway the market. Even I'd still like to have the classic start menu as an option.)
 
2013-02-25 03:12:11 PM

SuperT: I miss NT.

uh, hate to tell you, but XP was NT 6.


Actually, it was NT 5.1, and Vista was NT 6.
 
2013-02-25 03:15:03 PM
All MS had to do was have an option for the old interface, but no they had to push their new bullshiat on people who don't want it.
 
2013-02-25 03:18:31 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: What kills me are Win8 white nights who constantly tell people that they can do the same things they did before, but a different way. Most people, myself included, already know how to do things fast and don't need or want a different way.


I still haven't figured out how to do certain things in Word 2007 that I could do in my sleep with the previous version.

Why does each new version of a Microsoft product seem like it was designed for a user seven years younger than the previous version was?
 
2013-02-25 03:20:46 PM
Awesome, I can just buy one of these and slap my copy of Win 7 Pro on it, right?
 
2013-02-25 03:22:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: ha-ha-guy: What I don't get is why Microsoft ever felt the need to inflict Win8 upon us in the form that they did.  I get that you want to leverage touch screens, move in the direction of common UI themes across multiple platforms, etc.   That said make it so Win8 has a switch in it where you can either do a Win7 desktop style or the Win8 tiles. Let the consumer pick.

For example a tablet that ran around in tile model, but could be set so when your bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected it automatically flipped over to the classic UI would be nice.  A laptop that detected when you folder the screen over into slate mode and switched to tiles would also be awesome.  Tiles could also exist in the classic UI like widgets.  Let me pick how much I want.  Like just a row of the touch tiles on the bottom of the screen.

Each UI has its perks, so while the hell did anyone think it was a good idea to make you pick just one?


They didn't force the chief architect to use Windows 8 2.0 on a real computer with twin 24" monitors mounted at arm's length color graphics.  They fell in love with their little pad computers computer mouse and completely lost track of their base, 99% of whom do not have a touch screen monitor computer mouse.  If they had forced that pinhead to use a typical desktop set-up, they could have saved themselves and everyone else a lot of aggravation.  They have an Apple fixation fetish, and they're paying for it.  And so are we.


Fixed that for history.
 
2013-02-25 03:25:19 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
They didn't force the chief architect to use Windows 8 on a real computer with twin 24" monitors mounted at arm's length.  They fell in love with their little pad computers and completely lost track of their base, 99% of whom do not have a touch screen monitor.

I'm no market analyst but I can tell from Photoshops I've seen of PC sales charts that twin-monitor desktops are not what is selling, and not their "base".  I'm also kinda bad at basic math without using a calculator but I'm pretty sure 99% is a bullshiat number pulled out of the butt of a brontosaurus in bullshiat land.
 
2013-02-25 03:29:16 PM

Mad_Radhu: The big problem for me is that Win 8 farks up my workflow because I have lost all those helpful jump lists in the Start Menu. When going back to recent documents, I usually just go to the Start Menu, select the app, then mouse over to the Recent docs opened with that app. There's just not a good way to replicate that workflow with Win 8, and having a flat folder structure for the Start Screen doesn't work well with many legacy apps.


If you use certain legacy applications frequently enough, you can pin their icon to the taskbar and when you mouse over the icon, it'll give you a list of recent documents.

Otherwise, you can also try this to get your generic jump lists back:   http://www.instantfundas.com/2012/10/where-is-recent-documents -in-wind ows-8.html
 
2013-02-25 03:30:39 PM

xria: Yeah, install Shell Classic or whatever, and applications to take over the various inbuilt Modern UI (like a pdf viewer, etc.), and you forget you have even changed - been using it for a few months for work and haven't had any issues once I took the plunge and installed a third party mod to de-Metro it.


Windows 8 isn't crap because you used a third-party program to decrapify it.

Microsoft doesn't seem to understand that the OS isn't the important part of computers - it's the programs the OS runs.  It's the difference between a plate and the food you eat off of it.  Windows 8 is the equivalent of taking peoples forks away and telling them they'll have so much of a better experience using chopsticks.

Your solution is to go buy plastic utensils at the grocery store.
 
2013-02-25 03:31:08 PM
Gabe at Penny Arcade made a post about how much he loves his Surface Pro.

/as a mobile platform for an artist and (somewhat) for a gamer
//I'm not upgrading from 7
 
2013-02-25 03:31:31 PM

Solkar: I'm a Mac guy in my private life since the mid-80s, but have had to use Windows for work since the 3.1 days. My in-laws bought me a Dell laptop with Win 7 a couple of years ago. Microsoft ran a deal back in January to get Win 8 for $40, so I upgraded, installed Pokki to replace the Start menu and avoid Metro ... and I think it's the best experience I've ever had with Windows. And it runs much faster than it ever did with Win 7 - it's like a brand-new machine.

Other than the dislike for Metro, which is understandable, I don't get all the hate.


They're mandating touchscreen aesthetics and design on a system that is meant to handle keyboard+mouse input.

Win 8 is great for tablets and touchscreens.  For those of us who still use an actual mouse, gestures and hot zones are an added inconvenience we would disable if we could.  Since we can't, it turns EVERY ACTION into something which is just a little bit inconvenient.  Sure, doesn't seem like much, but when your entire day is "try to do something, it's slightly inconvenient but you can do it" it adds up quickly into one big problem.

It's not the start screen, though that is kind of bad.  It's the fact that instead of buttons and clicking them, it's all "put your mouse in this corner of the screen for X period of time" or "click and drag this over here to close it". The buttons worked fine, thanks.  They didn't need fixing; they weren't broken.
 
2013-02-25 03:32:32 PM

MrSteve007: What's funny is that the adoption rate of Win 8 appears to be a lot faster than Windows 7, yet people claim it isn't selling well.

Look at any major metric you want, it's proving to be true.


I think Windows 7 adoption started slow because Vista left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth.
 
2013-02-25 03:34:40 PM

theurge14: Marcus Aurelius:
They didn't force the chief architect to use Windows 8 on a real computer with twin 24" monitors mounted at arm's length.  They fell in love with their little pad computers and completely lost track of their base, 99% of whom do not have a touch screen monitor.

I'm no market analyst but I can tell from Photoshops I've seen of PC sales charts that twin-monitor desktops are not what is selling, and not their "base".  I'm also kinda bad at basic math without using a calculator but I'm pretty sure 99% is a bullshiat number pulled out of the butt of a brontosaurus in bullshiat land.


There are a lot of companies that do use dual monitors. Very useful when dealing with spreadsheets.
Although 99% is probably an arbitrary number, I would guess that a large percentage of people do not have a touch screen capable computer.
 
2013-02-25 03:37:05 PM

ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.


What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.
 
2013-02-25 03:38:44 PM

Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.


The interface is so bad that you will want to use bleach on your eyes
 
2013-02-25 03:39:07 PM
When the strongest argument in favor of the OS is "You can buy a third-party application that will circumvent most of the crap that people hate" there is a real problem. Why Microsoft hasn't released its own version of that application, some sort of "Desktop 8" service pack for non-touch-screen systems, is a mystery.

There are a significantly large number of consumers who do not *want* to buy a third-party application to make their  brand new OS work the way they want it to work. There are a large number of consumers who don't *want* their operating system to be a total pain in the ass to use. In fact, most end users would rather not notice the operating system at all.  The OS should exist, unnoticed, in the background.
 
2013-02-25 03:40:34 PM
Wait... why did we need Windows 8 again? What was wrong with Windows 7?
 
2013-02-25 03:41:48 PM

yukichigai: it's all "put your mouse in this corner of the screen for X period of time" or "click and drag this over here to close it"


I have yet had a chance to play with Win8.  This is really what is expected in destop mode?
 
2013-02-25 03:43:13 PM

xaveth: Wait... why did we need Windows 8 again? What was wrong with Windows 7?


Because Microsoft wants you to give them another $100+ a machine for an OS.

/I'm still phasing out a few XP machines at work for 7...
 
2013-02-25 03:43:32 PM

cman: Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.

The interface is so bad that you will want to use bleach on your eyes


What's so bad about it?  I mean, specifically.  All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).
 
2013-02-25 03:43:50 PM

cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.


This.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:17 PM

Saiga410: yukichigai: it's all "put your mouse in this corner of the screen for X period of time" or "click and drag this over here to close it"

I have yet had a chance to play with Win8.  This is really what is expected in destop mode?


There's no "start button" to get the Start Screen.  Instead you're expected to cram your mouse over to the bottom-left corner, which will then produce something you can click.  The charms bar, which holds the Control Panel-esque functions, is over in the right side of the screen.

Desktop apps don't have to be closed with click and drag, thank God, but Metro apps do.  The login screen also requires you to click the little banner thing and then drag it down to reveal the login prompt, etc. etc. etc.  Little to none of this can be disabled.
 
2013-02-25 03:46:07 PM

ColdFusion: cman: Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.

The interface is so bad that you will want to use bleach on your eyes

What's so bad about it?  I mean, specifically.  All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).


Have you ever gotten your dick stuck in a mouse trap?

That bad.
 
2013-02-25 03:47:12 PM

ColdFusion: What's so bad about it? I mean, specifically. All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).


Because it's not "single-click", it's "click drag this thing down to reveal the text prompt" or "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."
 
2013-02-25 03:47:24 PM

ColdFusion: Eh, another Win8 hate thread.

New computer came with Win 8, planned to downgrade it but gave it a shot.  Thirty minutes and a couple questions on google and I was good to go.  Still use the start screen, customized it for my needs and it works faster for me than the start menu ever did.  Nice to have a dedicated TuneInRadio app for streaming music while I work.  All my stuff is exactly where I want it on the start screen; nothing I don't want is visible.  I just go direct for what I want.  I wouldn't want the old start menu back now...


My experience is pretty much like yours, Windows 8 is 7 with great under the hood changes, a better desktop and a start menu that is more useful than Win7's.  I still use 7 at work, and I don't mind it enough to ask for an upgrade, but I would prefer that to be 8 as well.
 
2013-02-25 03:48:32 PM

Mad_Radhu: SuperT: I miss NT.

uh, hate to tell you, but XP was NT 6.

Actually, it was NT 5.1, and Vista was NT 6.


IHere's the problem with those "official" version numbers. The first version of Windows NT got the official version number of 3.1, instead of 1.0.

After you adjust to rational version numbers (where we don't pretend the first version of something is 3) it goes like this.

Windows NT 3.1 was really version 1
Windows NT 4 was really version 2
Windows 2000 was really version 3
Windows XP was really version 3.1
Windows Vista was really version 4
Windows 7 was really version 4.1
Windows 8 is really version 4.2
 
2013-02-25 03:49:55 PM
Yes I could google this but I figured someone here has already done it. I got over most of my gripes after installing Classic Shell and banishing Metro to wherever it is now.

How do I make it stop pulling up the system controls stuff whenever I scroll over to the right side of the screen?

Also, sometimes when I'm playing civilization I make some move on my track pad and I guess Win 8 is set up to go to the homescreen whenever I make a certain move (what it is I can't figure out), how the hell do I turn off this "feature"?
 
2013-02-25 03:50:37 PM

cman: ColdFusion: cman: Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

What I'm getting is that Win 8 under the hood is great...but the interface just kills your desire to play with it.

The interface is so bad that you will want to use bleach on your eyes

What's so bad about it?  I mean, specifically.  All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).

Have you ever gotten your dick stuck in a mouse trap?

That bad.


Can't say as I have.  Windows 8 does not contain a mousetrap function, so I'm not sure how that is a specific problem.

yukichigai: ColdFusion: What's so bad about it? I mean, specifically. All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).

Because it's not "single-click", it's "click drag this thing down to reveal the text prompt" or "move your mouse over to this one completely unmarked portion of the screen and leave it there for 1-3 seconds to get the button you actually want."


What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?
 
2013-02-25 03:51:22 PM

cman: Have you ever gotten your dick stuck in a mouse trap?

That bad.


That was actually sort of pleasant...

/Yes Mistress
//No Mistress
///"Fark fark ow fark fark" means "I love you", Mistress
 
2013-02-25 03:52:11 PM

yukichigai: Solkar: I'm a Mac guy in my private life since the mid-80s, but have had to use Windows for work since the 3.1 days. My in-laws bought me a Dell laptop with Win 7 a couple of years ago. Microsoft ran a deal back in January to get Win 8 for $40, so I upgraded, installed Pokki to replace the Start menu and avoid Metro ... and I think it's the best experience I've ever had with Windows. And it runs much faster than it ever did with Win 7 - it's like a brand-new machine.

Other than the dislike for Metro, which is understandable, I don't get all the hate.

They're mandating touchscreen aesthetics and design on a system that is meant to handle keyboard+mouse input.

Win 8 is great for tablets and touchscreens.  For those of us who still use an actual mouse, gestures and hot zones are an added inconvenience we would disable if we could.  Since we can't, it turns EVERY ACTION into something which is just a little bit inconvenient.  Sure, doesn't seem like much, but when your entire day is "try to do something, it's slightly inconvenient but you can do it" it adds up quickly into one big problem.

It's not the start screen, though that is kind of bad.  It's the fact that instead of buttons and clicking them, it's all "put your mouse in this corner of the screen for X period of time" or "click and drag this over here to close it". The buttons worked fine, thanks.  They didn't need fixing; they weren't broken.


Do you not find the corners to be helpful, especially if your primary access to Windows-based systems is through remote desktop interface windows that do not occupy the entire screen?
 
2013-02-25 03:52:40 PM

ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?


Login screen, for one.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:22 PM

ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?


Basically anything that you would have clicked the Start button for.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:29 PM

yukichigai: Saiga410: yukichigai: it's all "put your mouse in this corner of the screen for X period of time" or "click and drag this over here to close it"

I have yet had a chance to play with Win8.  This is really what is expected in destop mode?

There's no "start button" to get the Start Screen.  Instead you're expected to cram your mouse over to the bottom-left corner, which will then produce something you can click.  The charms bar, which holds the Control Panel-esque functions, is over in the right side of the screen.

Desktop apps don't have to be closed with click and drag, thank God, but Metro apps do.  The login screen also requires you to click the little banner thing and then drag it down to reveal the login prompt, etc. etc. etc.  Little to none of this can be disabled.


There are a few things about the new start screen that are aggravating if you're a desktop user:

1)  It would be nice if you could adjust the time required to display the start button or the charms bar.  It takes a little too long.
2) Hot corners are a terrible idea if you have more than one monitor.  I have three, and getting a hot corner to show up on the middle monitor is an exercise in madness because you can't just slap the cursor up against the side of the screen.

Microsoft should have thought this through a little more.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:35 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Yes I could google this but I figured someone here has already done it. I got over most of my gripes after installing Classic Shell and banishing Metro to wherever it is now.

How do I make it stop pulling up the system controls stuff whenever I scroll over to the right side of the screen?

Also, sometimes when I'm playing civilization I make some move on my track pad and I guess Win 8 is set up to go to the homescreen whenever I make a certain move (what it is I can't figure out), how the hell do I turn off this "feature"?


Moving the mouse to the upper or lower right corners of the screen will pop up the "Charms Bar".  The only way to disable this is to edit the Registry.  If you're up for it, here you go:   http://betanews.com/2012/08/21/disable-the-charms-panel-in-windows-8/
 
2013-02-25 03:54:55 PM

Dimensio: Do you not find the corners to be helpful, especially if your primary access to Windows-based systems is through remote desktop interface windows that do not occupy the entire screen?


Oh yeah, the BEST.  Especially with the inherent display lag on a remote connect that delays the time it takes for me to see when the Charms Bar/Start Screen Button/etc. has come up so I can click and actually do something.
 
2013-02-25 03:56:35 PM

ColdFusion: Communist_Manifesto: Yes I could google this but I figured someone here has already done it. I got over most of my gripes after installing Classic Shell and banishing Metro to wherever it is now.

How do I make it stop pulling up the system controls stuff whenever I scroll over to the right side of the screen?

Also, sometimes when I'm playing civilization I make some move on my track pad and I guess Win 8 is set up to go to the homescreen whenever I make a certain move (what it is I can't figure out), how the hell do I turn off this "feature"?

Moving the mouse to the upper or lower right corners of the screen will pop up the "Charms Bar".  The only way to disable this is to edit the Registry.  If you're up for it, here you go:   http://betanews.com/2012/08/21/disable-the-charms-panel-in-windows-8/


And this right here is why as a gamer I will never use Windows 8.  I mean I guess I'm in the minority here who doesn't want their solo effort taking down Crawmerax to be interrupted by the Charms Bar helpfully popping up and stealing focus.
 
2013-02-25 03:56:50 PM

yukichigai: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Login screen, for one.


You can just hit the spacebar to get to the login screen, but it isn't terribly intuitive. I have no idea why they couldn't just combine the lock and logon screens into one.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:10 PM

ColdFusion: Communist_Manifesto: Yes I could google this but I figured someone here has already done it. I got over most of my gripes after installing Classic Shell and banishing Metro to wherever it is now.

How do I make it stop pulling up the system controls stuff whenever I scroll over to the right side of the screen?

Also, sometimes when I'm playing civilization I make some move on my track pad and I guess Win 8 is set up to go to the homescreen whenever I make a certain move (what it is I can't figure out), how the hell do I turn off this "feature"?

Moving the mouse to the upper or lower right corners of the screen will pop up the "Charms Bar".  The only way to disable this is to edit the Registry.  If you're up for it, here you go:   http://betanews.com/2012/08/21/disable-the-charms-panel-in-windows-8/


Oh christ, I knew it would be something like that. Considering I don't have the skillz to unfark that up if I fark it up I guess I will have to live with the "charm" bar. Thanks anyway!

The other issue isn't anything to do with a charm bar, it's a mouse gesture type thing.

And after googling it looks like another thing I would need to edit the registry for. Goddamnit  http://superuser.com/questions/494705/modify-or-disable-windows-8-swi p e-gestures-on-touchpad-laptop
 
2013-02-25 03:58:36 PM

ColdFusion: What's so bad about it?  I mean, specifically.  All I hear is "It is bad" or "It's for tablets/touchscreens" (without specifying why single-clicking an icon is more laborious than double-clicking an icon).


This covers the complaints quite nicely
 
2013-02-25 03:59:11 PM

yukichigai: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Login screen, for one.


Huh.  On mine, I just click anywhere and it pops straight to the username and password entry screen.


stevetherobot: ColdFusion: What are you doing that requires click-drags on the desktop to reveal text prompts?

Basically anything that you would have clicked the Start button for.


I typically used the Start Button to access my programs.  Never needed to type in it before.
 
Ant
2013-02-25 04:00:13 PM
I think Windows 8 is OK for the most part. I have it on my work computer. I like being able to mount ISOs as drives without adding any third-party software. I don't like the metro apps that come with it though. If I had a tablet, it might be another story.

It's nowhere near as bad as Windows ME. Anyone who says it is probably never used WinME
 
2013-02-25 04:00:21 PM
I went into Best Buy a few weeks ago to purchase my girlfriend a new laptop. They didn't have ANY Windows 7 machines. I'm not about to make her figure out an entirely new operating system -- because guess who will get called 5 times a day, every day, until she figures it out. (And *I* don't even own a Windows 8 box, so I would have no idea how to help her.

Told the salesman straight up, "Well, I'll buy from Tiger Direct or Amazon then", and we both walked out of the store.

Tiger direct had some good deals, so we snagged a nice Acer with Win7 on it. She couldn't be happier. (And I'm not having to support it, so yay me!)

Charles.
 
2013-02-25 04:00:30 PM

Lsherm: There are a few things about the new start screen that are aggravating if you're a desktop user:

1) It would be nice if you could adjust the time required to display the start button or the charms bar. It takes a little too long.
2) Hot corners are a terrible idea if you have more than one monitor. I have three, and getting a hot corner to show up on the middle monitor is an exercise in madness because you can't just slap the cursor up against the side of the screen.

Microsoft should have thought this through a little more.


God I didn't even think about this.  I run a two-monitor setup with different sized monitors, so I actually have six "crammable" corners rather than four.  Having three that are the same size, if you prefer keeping the center as "main", would be a nightmare.
 
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