it was funny, when it come out, stores were selling boxed units with the option to upgrade.  Then after a month those all but disappeared.  Now it looks like places like Microcenter are selling those boxed systems with the option to downgrade to Win 7.

nekom: Yeah, it's going to be another "Me" style flop.  I've already made the decision to ban any talk of windows 8 at work, under penalty of torture.

ME sucked because it was shiat, right? I remember it crashing lots. Win 8 is crap because it doesn't have a start menu button on the task bar. As far as I can tell everything else is the same as Win7.

What a derpy headline, considering this is a meat of the article: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

They're lowing the prices of touchscreen PC's by $100, because people like using Win 8 on a touchscreen. And this is somehow news?

Everything has been crap since OS/2.


/windows 8 is a good OS. Deal with it.

Gunny Walker: Microsoft should have made it a requirement that computers have a touchscreen to be "Windows 8 capable" or something.

cause people reaching up from their keyboards to touch their monitors on their desks is such an efficient way to do things.

vpb: You can even get a program to replace the start menu if you want it.  Or get a touch mouse or just learn how to organize it.  People don't like Win8 because it isn't what they are used to.

It's not just not what they are used to.  While home PC use is certainly an important market, business computing is huge, and metro is a huge middle finger to business use. The desktop style works, the table style just doesn't.  Not for business use.  Sometimes "if it's not broke, don't fix it" should be taken to heart.

Granted it's easy to install classic shell and forget about it, but most IT departments are already overtaxed and don't need to spend time fixing what is essentially a broken UI from Microsoft.

MrSteve007: What a derpy headline, considering this is a meat of the article: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

They're lowing the prices of touchscreen PC's by $100, because people like using Win 8 on a touchscreen. And this is somehow news?

I see an awkward attempt not to use negatives. The article is a "fair and balanced" spin on the fact that nobody can move Win8 desktops and laptops - you know, actual computers operated with a keyboard and mouse - so they slashed prices.

cman: Microsoft made a huge risk with Windows 8.

Windows 8, underneath the eye candy, is the best Windows ever released. But, with Metro, Jesus I know the desktop metaphor is old as fark, but the mobile metaphor is even worse for keyboard + mice systems.

The good thing is MS can recover from this, if they want.  Win8 has solid internals and all you need to do is churn out a classic GUI style for Windows 9.  Win7 is glorious and really it is just Vista SP 2.5, so turning around Win8 can't be that hard.

Slaxl: nekom: Yeah, it's going to be another "Me" style flop.  I've already made the decision to ban any talk of windows 8 at work, under penalty of torture.

ME sucked because it was shiat, right? I remember it crashing lots. Win 8 is crap because it doesn't have a start menu button on the task bar. As far as I can tell everything else is the same as Win7.

Yeah, HORRIBLE problem, that. God forbid anything should ever change. Or could afford $5 for a utility that brings back that precious start button.

Slaxl: nekom: Yeah, it's going to be another "Me" style flop.  I've already made the decision to ban any talk of windows 8 at work, under penalty of torture.

ME sucked because it was shiat, right? I remember it crashing lots. Win 8 is crap because it doesn't have a start menu button on the task bar. As far as I can tell everything else is the same as Win7.

Yeah, install Shell Classic or whatever, and applications to take over the various inbuilt Modern UI (like a pdf viewer, etc.), and you forget you have even changed - been using it for a few months for work and haven't had any issues once I took the plunge and installed a third party mod to de-Metro it.

Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that PC desktop and laptop sales were already slowing before Windows 8 even came out?

Also: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

Remember how much hate XP got when it came out? "I"m never leaving '98 or Win2k" is what people said. Some are still crying over its demise.

It's the shear arrogance of Microsoft forcing Metro on people that pisses me off.  It should come with a simple option to disable that mess.  I'm no Apple fanboy, but at least when they introduced some "mobile" type features into OS X they were entirely optional (Launch Pad, natural scrolling, etc.)

I'm going to be stubborn this time.  I refuse to install it until they decide to not force the crappy UI on me (I don't care if there are 3rd party workarounds).  Apparently the IT department at the university I work at agrees with me.

You'll get over it.

/fek, I had to say it?
//fark, you're slipping

Gunny Walker: I don't understand why aren't all the Windows 8 machines touchscreen? I went into Wal-Mart the other day and NONE of them were touchscreen. Granted Wal-Mart isn't exactly a computer store, but none of them? Really?

Microsoft should have made it a requirement that computers have a touchscreen to be "Windows 8 capable" or something.

So they'd cut their desktop/laptop market to roughly 10% of what it is now?  Not likely.  MS still has a strong need for their current OS to dominate the entire PC market.  Their newest release can't just be for touchscreen systems and devices.

What I don't get is why Microsoft ever felt the need to inflict Win8 upon us in the form that they did.  I get that you want to leverage touch screens, move in the direction of common UI themes across multiple platforms, etc.   That said make it so Win8 has a switch in it where you can either do a Win7 desktop style or the Win8 tiles. Let the consumer pick.

For example a tablet that ran around in tile model, but could be set so when your bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected it automatically flipped over to the classic UI would be nice.  A laptop that detected when you folder the screen over into slate mode and switched to tiles would also be awesome.  Tiles could also exist in the classic UI like widgets.  Let me pick how much I want.  Like just a row of the touch tiles on the bottom of the screen.

Each UI has its perks, so while the hell did anyone think it was a good idea to make you pick just one?

/also Windows should be smart enough to determine if each monitor is touch table or not and react.  Another awesome mode would be my giant 24" monitor in front of me and a 15" touch monitor lying flat on the desk that I can use to input commands

Screenshots of the next version (Windows9??)has already been leaked and it should be out in Nov.

They'll have to pry it into my cold dead hands.

1000 Ways to Dye: Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that PC desktop and laptop sales were already slowing before Windows 8 even came out?

Also: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

Remember how much hate XP got when it came out? "I"m never leaving '98 or Win2k NT" is what people said. Some are still crying over its demise.

I miss NT.

win 8, under the hood, is a fine os.

however, it's covered in 'designed by marketing committee to sysnergize with mobile because mobile socials the mobile tablet appstore growth!' shiat

Do you hear that, Microsoft? The marketplace has spoken. Nobody wants Windows 8. Recall it while you are still in business.

What's funny is that the adoption rate of Win 8 appears to be a lot faster than Windows 7, yet people claim it isn't selling well.

Look at any major metric you want, it's proving to be true.

Suck it, Ballmer. You'll have to try Windows 3.1 from my cold, dead, hands.

/Trumpet Winsock FTW

Saiga410: 1000 Ways to Dye: Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that PC desktop and laptop sales were already slowing before Windows 8 even came out?

Also: "Best Buy lowered its prices after a survey revealed that shoppers who bought touchscreen Windows 8 devices were "significantly happier" than those who bought PCs with a bog-standard display"

Remember how much hate XP got when it came out? "I"m never leaving '98 or Win2k NT" is what people said. Some are still crying over its demise.

I miss NT.

uh, hate to tell you, but XP was NT 6.

MrSteve007: What's funny is that the adoption rate of Win 8 appears to be a lot faster than Windows 7, yet people claim it isn't selling well.

That chart lists all mobile OSes as having a 2.2% market share. So, no.