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2013-02-25 04:59:56 PM  

MNguy: FarFarAway:

I did, and was paid handsomely. I sleep just fine, thanks.

I doubt that.

But I bet you're a heap of fun at parties.


You're right. I'm not handsome. I'm beautiful.
 
2013-02-25 05:00:45 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: WHOA whoa whoa whoa WHOA! If I'm in Utah, I can't order myself 2 beers?


It's all farked up. I think you can order a beer and a shot, but you can't order a double(The second shot is a half shot), or they have to serve them side by side and can't combine them. Same kind of weird bullshiat with beer. These enforcement agents maxed out the amount they could order, that much I remember from the story, but since they weren't all actually present when she dropped off the drinks, it was a violation.

Here's one story. I thought it was the one, but it has other examples in it:
http://www.cityweekly.net/utah/article-35-5348-feature-bar-battles-f ig ht-the-dabc-or-give-in-either-way-yoursll-likely-lose.html?current_pag e=1
 
2013-02-25 05:01:31 PM  

FarFarAway: mightybaldking: FarFarAway: I've done secret shopper assignments like this before. But they always specified that you had to be over 21 and look younger. That way if the sale went through, no laws were actually broken. I never managed to talk anyone into selling it to me without ID.

Who were you working for?

I don't remember their name now. It was a secret shopper company that did all different kinds of shops, but that was the only work I got from them. I remember I had to actually send them a copy of my driver's license to prove that I was over 21, and I guess so they could see if I looked young enough.

That was years ago, and I still can't buy with out ID most of the time. But it seems to me what you order has something to do with it too. If I order a fruity drink, or a really trendy drink, I always get carded. If I order more obscure things they don't always do it.



I meant, who was the client.  My assumption is that it was the chain of variety stores doing their internal audits.  It doesn't make sense that the Gov't would police licenses this way.
 
2013-02-25 05:02:26 PM  

I wonder if the prohibitionists would blink if a bill was submitted to the state leg. somewhere saying:


Any person presenting valid Military or Veteran's Identification shall be entitled to purchase alcohol, regardless of the bearer's age


or something to that effect.
 
2013-02-25 05:04:48 PM  

carmody: Bullseyed: Mostly because of an increase in airbag and seat belt technology, but liberals like to pretend it was because of their activism and increased governmental regulation.

Liberals weren't behind raising the drinking age...insurance companies were.


In 1984, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, written by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and influenced by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), required all states to enforce a minimum legal drinking age of 21 or else risk losing 10% of all federal highway construction funds.

Lautenberg is considered one of the Senate's most liberalmembers. He is pro-choice, supports gun control, has introduced many bills increasing penalties for car jacking and car theft, and criticized the Bush Administration on National Security issues. He has been heavily involved in various anti-smoking and airline safety legislation. He also has co-sponsored legislation to increase drunk driving penalties.
 
2013-02-25 05:05:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: kumanoki: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

Anyone posted an answer to this yet?

The age at which one is considered a legal adult was 21 for centuries under English common law.  The drinking age was pegged to that standard originally.

Then FDR lowered the minimum conscription age from 21 to 18.  During Viet Nam, kids secured the right to vote at 18 because they could die for their country.  Other adult rights, including drinking, followed suit.  (The draft brought us the blessing of teenaged strippers!)

Drinking-related deaths rose among 18-20 year olds, so the feds forced the age back up to 21.


No, MAAD did that
 
2013-02-25 05:06:14 PM  

skullkrusher: this sort of defeats the purpose of these sorts of things. You want to prevent bars from serving underaged kids but do you really want to trick them into serving underaged kids? What's next, sending them in with outstanding fake ID made by the DMV?


In some places the authorities have their operatives go to all lengths to sneak by the systems put in place.  A lot of places have a bouncer system where no one even gets through the door who is under 21, so they use diversion to sneak past them and then bust them for serving a minor.

My guess is that the department(s) were setup to catch the blatant offenders and once they cracked down they have to get more and more sneaky because they don't want to lose their budget/jobs.

Yes, they are getting bartenders fired and possibly closing down businesses just for job security.
 
2013-02-25 05:07:48 PM  

Bullseyed: carmody: Bullseyed: Mostly because of an increase in airbag and seat belt technology, but liberals like to pretend it was because of their activism and increased governmental regulation.

Liberals weren't behind raising the drinking age...insurance companies were.

In 1984, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, written by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and influenced by Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD), required all states to enforce a minimum legal drinking age of 21 or else risk losing 10% of all federal highway construction funds.

Lautenberg is considered one of the Senate's most liberalmembers. He is pro-choice, supports gun control, has introduced many bills increasing penalties for car jacking and car theft, and criticized the Bush Administration on National Security issues. He has been heavily involved in various anti-smoking and airline safety legislation. He also has co-sponsored legislation to increase drunk driving penalties.


Yes, thank you.  Of course, in a usual turn, most young libs are for lowering it and most non-libs think it should stay... I mean, in my personal experience
 
2013-02-25 05:07:52 PM  

Cheron: the_sidewinder: y is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

When I was 17 the drinking age was 18 a legacy of Vietnam.  Just before I turned 18 they bumped it to 19 to keep older high school seniors from buy for younger high schoolers.  When I was 19 they moved it to 20 because neighboring states were 20 and we didn't want kids driving long distances for booze.  The just a week before I turned twenty they bumped it to 21 because Ronny Raygun wouldn't give any state with a drinking age under 21 any federal highway dollars.

At 18 you can be drafted, get married, serve on a capital jury, enter into contracts and have kids but you can't have a beer because you aren't mature enough.


Keep bumping the age higher and "voila!": Prohibition all over again.
A few years ago I would have laughed at that thought. Now, not so much.
 
2013-02-25 05:11:37 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Yes, thank you.  Of course, in a usual turn, most young libs are for lowering it and most non-libs think it should stay... I mean, in my personal experience


Most young liberals get all their information from the Daily Show and don't know that their own party is the one responsible for the creation of the legislation they are fighting against.

And actually you'd be surprised the number of conservative libertarians there are these days.
 
2013-02-25 05:13:18 PM  
Maybe their "operative"  was a meth head?  That would explain him looking 30.
 
2013-02-25 05:16:10 PM  
Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths than guns each year. You should have to have a background check before each drink, mandatory training, and mandatory insurance.
 
2013-02-25 05:18:12 PM  
When I was growing up they sent in a kid in full army uniform to buy cigarettes that wasn't 18.  No one even thought to card the kid.  Pretty much every store got busted that day.
 
2013-02-25 05:21:20 PM  
FarFarAway:

You're right. I'm not handsome. I'm beautiful.

Maybe on the outside.
 
2013-02-25 05:22:55 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths than guns each year. You should have to have a background check before each drink, mandatory training, and mandatory insurance.


Let's see you kill 20 kids with a can of beer.

false equivalence is false
 
2013-02-25 05:24:07 PM  

mightybaldking: FarFarAway: mightybaldking: FarFarAway: I've done secret shopper assignments like this before. But they always specified that you had to be over 21 and look younger. That way if the sale went through, no laws were actually broken. I never managed to talk anyone into selling it to me without ID.

Who were you working for?

I don't remember their name now. It was a secret shopper company that did all different kinds of shops, but that was the only work I got from them. I remember I had to actually send them a copy of my driver's license to prove that I was over 21, and I guess so they could see if I looked young enough.

That was years ago, and I still can't buy with out ID most of the time. But it seems to me what you order has something to do with it too. If I order a fruity drink, or a really trendy drink, I always get carded. If I order more obscure things they don't always do it.


I meant, who was the client.  My assumption is that it was the chain of variety stores doing their internal audits.  It doesn't make sense that the Gov't would police licenses this way.


Ohhh. It was BP one time, and I want to say it was Chevron the other times.
 
2013-02-25 05:24:46 PM  

lordjupiter: As for the article, what a bunch of bullshiat.  If they want bars to ID anyone that looks under 40, make that the law.  Otherwise, what's the legal standard, if not how young someone LOOKS?  How is it reasonable to fine a bar for serving someone who looks almost twice the legal age limit?


Please note there is no real reason to believe he does look 35, that is just the age that the particular place has a policy not to card potential customers, so as they didn't card him, that is the age they claim he looked.
 
2013-02-25 05:28:40 PM  

super_grass: Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths than guns each year. You should have to have a background check before each drink, mandatory training, and mandatory insurance.

Let's see you kill 20 kids with a can of beer.

false equivalence is false


Yeah. 3 times as many die from alcohol-related disease and violence each year, but since it doesn't happen in the same place on the same day, it isn't death. Or something.

Yeast piss is a dangerous, addictive drug. If you want to deal that drug legally, card people like the law tells you to. "I'm worried about the size of my tip" is no excuse for not checking ID.
 
2013-02-25 05:29:11 PM  

mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?


The one I love is: you can buy cigarettes at 18, but no booze until you're 21... Because, you know, cigs are so much better for you, and evil booze is so much worse!
 
2013-02-25 05:31:42 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: super_grass: Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths than guns each year. You should have to have a background check before each drink, mandatory training, and mandatory insurance.

Let's see you kill 20 kids with a can of beer.

false equivalence is false

Yeah. 3 times as many die from alcohol-related disease and violence each year, but since it doesn't happen in the same place on the same day, it isn't death. Or something.

Yeast piss is a dangerous, addictive drug. If you want to deal that drug legally, card people like the law tells you to. "I'm worried about the size of my tip" is no excuse for not checking ID.


You  really need a drink.
 
2013-02-25 05:33:10 PM  

super_grass: Lenny_da_Hog: Alcohol is responsible for far more deaths than guns each year. You should have to have a background check before each drink, mandatory training, and mandatory insurance.

Let's see you kill 20 kids with a can of beer.


Does it have to be a full can of beer and do I have to kill them all at once?

/Considering the challenge
 
2013-02-25 05:33:54 PM  

poot_rootbeer: lordjupiter: Otherwise, what's the legal standard, if not how young someone LOOKS?

Is this a trick question...?  The legal standard is how old they are.

If you sell to somebody who is 19 but looks 35, you've violated the law.  Whining about how "inimidating" and "big" the kid is doesn't change anything.


No shiat.  And how do you know how old they are without checking their ID?  What's the cut-off for looking old enough NOT to have your ID checked?  If the cops are going around trying to trick businesses into serving 19 year olds who LOOK 35, how is that really doing anything to crack down on establishments that are intentionally breaking the law rather than just being fooled by cops?

Again, why do this unless you're saying that businesses have no ability to use discretion in checking someone's ID?  You may as well require an ID check by law if you're trying to fool them based on looks.  Get it now?
 
2013-02-25 05:34:05 PM  

IRQ12: You  really need a drink.


There's so many better drugs.

Alcohol is a ghetto drug. That make that shiat in prison toilets, for crissake.
 
2013-02-25 05:36:41 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Had a buddy in HS that was our go to guy for booze purchases. he was 16 went from clean shaven to full beard in day or two.


That was me when I was 16. I once got mistaken for a professor with a group of my peers at a Chinese restaurant. -They thought my friends were my students.

Weird thing though, I'm 34 now and if I shave off the beard, I get carded for alcohol, if I leave it on, I'm mistaken for mid-forties still.
 
2013-02-25 05:36:51 PM  

xria: lordjupiter: As for the article, what a bunch of bullshiat.  If they want bars to ID anyone that looks under 40, make that the law.  Otherwise, what's the legal standard, if not how young someone LOOKS?  How is it reasonable to fine a bar for serving someone who looks almost twice the legal age limit?

Please note there is no real reason to believe he does look 35, that is just the age that the particular place has a policy not to card potential customers, so as they didn't card him, that is the age they claim he looked.


Please not there is no real reason NOT to believe he does look 35.  I'm going by what's in the article.  If there's information beyond that it's speculation.
 
2013-02-25 05:37:27 PM  

RobSeace: mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?

The one I love is: you can buy cigarettes at 18, but no booze until you're 21... Because, you know, cigs are so much better for you, and evil booze is so much worse!


Ok, 21 for all those things.  Better now?
 
2013-02-25 05:39:53 PM  

lordjupiter: Again, why do this unless you're saying that businesses have no ability to use discretion in checking someone's ID?  You may as well require an ID check by law if you're trying to fool them based on looks.  Get it now?


If their internal policy doesn't require them to check IDs in order to conform with the law that says not to serve people under 21, their policy is in error, obviously. They broke the law. Get it now?

Every time a bar gets busted for under-age or over-serving, they always try to pass the buck onto some other factor.  The point is they're serving a heavily regulated drug, and they're not taking their responsibility with their license seriously.
 
2013-02-25 05:41:05 PM  

RedHeadLover: abfalter: If I were selling liquor I'd check ID for everyone.  I don't care if you looked like Abe Vigoda; you are not getting anything from me until I see ID.

To be fair, Abe looks pretty young for his age...


when 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not
 
2013-02-25 05:42:43 PM  

mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?


We want you to know how to do all of these things before you do any of them drunk.
 
2013-02-25 05:48:53 PM  

Dimensio: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

For what reason do you hate the victims of motor vehicle collisions in which a driver was under the influence of alcohol?


That schtick was more original when meow said the dog was doing it. How does it feel to be the Carlos Mencia of fark?
 
2013-02-25 05:50:12 PM  

ringersol: the_sidewinder: "Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?"

Root cause analysis?  Because we can't get from A to B without driving.

/ maybe robot cars will get it lowered back to 18?


It's 18 in Alberta, and we don't have robot cars.
 
2013-02-25 05:51:11 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I wonder if the prohibitionists would blink if a bill was submitted to the state leg. somewhere saying:


Any person presenting valid Military or Veteran's Identification shall be entitled to purchase alcohol, regardless of the bearer's age

or something to that effect.


Interesting point, although the children, all ages, of personnel military are issued military ID's in order to go to the PX, go to the military hospitals and an absolute must when overseas.  Nice try, but that would be a huge problem.  My wife and her sisters had military ID's till my fil retired from the Navy.
 
2013-02-25 05:52:11 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The 19 year olds who pose for these operations need the shiat beat out of them.


In my town, it is 19 year olds that are coerced into doing as part of their probation for underage drinking
 
2013-02-25 05:55:11 PM  
the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

because the people in power are stupid

// why can't people in some states buy liquor on some days of the week?
 
2013-02-25 05:57:23 PM  

mjohnson71: i


I was stationed at Ft Bliss in '06 when the ban hammer changed the drinking age on post from 18 to 21.  The problem we had were 18 to 20 year old kids (to include a few SSGs) drinking with little to no supervision making stupid decisions involving operating vehicles at high rate of speed.  There were quite a few civilian deaths, and the government was sued for allowing the kids to get drunk. So the regulation allowing underage drinking was changed to 21 and older.  The young troopies thought they could get a DUI and get out of deployment.  They did get out of deployment, and sat in pre-trial confinement until the unit returned (15 months) /or was handed off for civilian trial (El Paso had a minimum of 6 months until arraignment due to backlog).  Several of the ones that happened in 06 and were refered to civilian court were still awaiting trial on no-bond when I retired in March 2010.
 
2013-02-25 05:57:32 PM  

lordargent: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

because the people in power are stupid

// why can't people in some states buy liquor on some days of the week?


Because it would make Jesus cry.
 
2013-02-25 05:57:43 PM  

skullkrusher: this sort of defeats the purpose of these sorts of things. You want to prevent bars from serving underaged kids but do you really want to trick them into serving underaged kids? What's next, sending them in with outstanding fake ID made by the DMV?


The kids these days already have ID's that good.  Hell, we reprogrammed mag strips for $20 a pop and that was 10 years ago.  We could make a really good fake in about 20 minutes with the gear our computer lab had sitting around.  The only mildly hard part is the fancy holographic sticker, but even that isn't exactly hard to fake, since almost no place has the security light to check it.  (clubs especially use flashlights to check ID, so it only has to look right from straight on).

Fake ID is old hat.  Using it correctly and without arousing suspicions has always been the hard part.
 
2013-02-25 05:58:23 PM  
So many answers, and a surprising number of useful ones. Thanks all for that insight into US culture
 
2013-02-25 06:00:11 PM  

mightybaldking: I meant, who was the client. My assumption is that it was the chain of variety stores doing their internal audits. It doesn't make sense that the Gov't would police licenses this way.


You would assume wrong. We own two liquor stores and have been subject to sting operations at least once a year by the TABC. We always get a nice letter saying we passed.

It's ok. We don't want to sell underage, sell to those intoxicated, or break any other law. We make a whole lot of money doing it legal.

And having been a teenager, raised teenagers, and lived among teenagers, we don't want waterhead eighteen-year-olds driving and drinking. And the fact that they can and do enlist in the military and die to make Dick Cheney rich just further shows their lapses in judgement.
 
2013-02-25 06:02:57 PM  

Bullseyed: Reverend Monkeypants: Yes, thank you.  Of course, in a usual turn, most young libs are for lowering it and most non-libs think it should stay... I mean, in my personal experience

Most young liberals get all their information from the Daily Show and don't know that their own party is the one responsible for the creation of the legislation they are fighting against.

And actually you'd be surprised the number of conservative libertarians there are these days.


Well.. in their defense, a large number of conservatives are against legislation they enacted as well... Obamacare, the EPA, whatnot.

Regardless, the law is stupid in this regard.  The number of road accidents that don't involve alcohol is exponentially larger than the statistic few that do comparatively.  But do we do mandatory re-testing?  no
 
2013-02-25 06:09:01 PM  

lack of warmth: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I wonder if the prohibitionists would blink if a bill was submitted to the state leg. somewhere saying:


Any person presenting valid Military or Veteran's Identification shall be entitled to purchase alcohol, regardless of the bearer's age

or something to that effect.

Interesting point, although the children, all ages, of personnel military are issued military ID's in order to go to the PX, go to the military hospitals and an absolute must when overseas.  Nice try, but that would be a huge problem.  My wife and her sisters had military ID's till my fil retired from the Navy.


Forgot about that. What about if they identified the bearer as military PERSONNEL or veterans? Might also incentivise enlistment during desperate periods.
 
2013-02-25 06:09:42 PM  

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: mightybaldking: I meant, who was the client. My assumption is that it was the chain of variety stores doing their internal audits. It doesn't make sense that the Gov't would police licenses this way.

You would assume wrong. We own two liquor stores and have been subject to sting operations at least once a year by the TABC. We always get a nice letter saying we passed.

It's ok. We don't want to sell underage, sell to those intoxicated, or break any other law. We make a whole lot of money doing it legal.

And having been a teenager, raised teenagers, and lived among teenagers, we don't want waterhead eighteen-year-olds driving and drinking. And the fact that they can and do enlist in the military and die to make Dick Cheney rich just further shows their lapses in judgement.


Was the TABC sending in over 21 year old people that looked younger to see if you carded them? If not then you missed the point mightybaldking was making.
 
2013-02-25 06:11:45 PM  

lordjupiter: RobSeace: mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?

The one I love is: you can buy cigarettes at 18, but no booze until you're 21... Because, you know, cigs are so much better for you, and evil booze is so much worse!

Ok, 21 for all those things.  Better now?


At least then it would be consistent... So, yes, that would be better!
 
2013-02-25 06:14:53 PM  

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Because Prudes.
 
2013-02-25 06:17:51 PM  

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Because MADD is the Women's Christian Temperance Union II, Electric Boogaloo.
 
2013-02-25 06:20:11 PM  

TimonC346: Bullseyed: TimonC346: Big Man On Campus: Once again...

To order beer, I have to show an official state-issued form of Identification.

To vote for all levels of government, I simply have to state a name that someone then checks off the list.

Yet people are considered backwards if they suggest IDs should be displayed to vote.

One is a right. One isn't. We done here?

So if you don't need ID for exercising rights, you're against checking ID and backgrounds for people buying guns, right?

/boom, headshot

Well, I'm not a moron who would act like owning a device designed for killing is the same as having a voice in government, so no, i'm not. I also wouldn't ever try to simplify all "rights" as always being assured at all times to everyone always.


Since political power springs directly from the power to incarcerate/kill, they're actually one and the same.
 
2013-02-25 06:25:07 PM  

Trocadero: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

Morally/logically, it's stupid that you can do all sorts of big life-altering things at 18 but you can't drink at 21. However, after the Federal change, the drunk driving, and more importantly, the drunk driving fatality rate went down. Significantly.


The speed limit was also lowered to 55 around the same time, mandatory seatbelt laws were passed, and airbags started showing up in cars.  Correlation does not equal causation.

Meanwhile, binge-drinking and drug use among college students has gone up.
 
2013-02-25 06:28:04 PM  

lack of warmth: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I wonder if the prohibitionists would blink if a bill was submitted to the state leg. somewhere saying:


Any person presenting valid Military or Veteran's Identification shall be entitled to purchase alcohol, regardless of the bearer's age

or something to that effect.

Interesting point, although the children, all ages, of personnel military are issued military ID's in order to go to the PX, go to the military hospitals and an absolute must when overseas.  Nice try, but that would be a huge problem.  My wife and her sisters had military ID's till my fil retired from the Navy.


Those clearly state that the bearer is a Military Dependent, not actually in the military.

TimonC346: Well, I'm not a moron who would act like owning a device designed for killing is the same as having a voice in government, so no, i'm not. I also wouldn't ever try to simplify all "rights" as always being assured at all times to everyone always.


Having a device designed for killing is is the final voice we have in our government. I hope to hell we never need to use it, but it shouldn't be taken away just because we haven't had to use it in the past couple hundred years.

Remember the 4 best ways to influence our government: Public Opinion, Voting, Courts, and Revolution. Always proceed through them in that order. Don't skip steps.
 
2013-02-25 06:28:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: mjohnson71: most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?

Have you ever seen that show "What Would You Do?" They had two actors dressed in military fatigues saying they just got back from Iraq. They walk into a bar and try to order a drink. The bartender flat-out refuses. The test was to see if other patrons would buy them alcohol. Most of them either did, or suggested a place that will sell to underage veterans.


I graduated HS in '82 and went into the Army right afterwards. The legal drinking age had just been switched to 21 in my home State BUT they had a grandfather claus allowing folks in the military under-21 to buy booze, go to bars, etc. I'm not sure if that's the case anymore but it was a great way to handle the under-21 situation for active military. At the time, however, I do know that didn't apply to all State's at the time.

/Ft. Ord, 93H, '82-'85
 
2013-02-25 06:28:16 PM  

Rude Turnip: Atomic Spunk: The convenience stores in my neighborhood get busted selling alcohol to underage people every once in a while, so they started to have the employees at the checkout wear a button that says "We ID under 30". Then that changed to "We ID under 40". The last time they wore buttons, it says "Please don't take offense - we ID everyone". Now they don't wear buttons, and even senior citizens that look like they have one foot in the grave are asked for ID when buying alcohol.

Wegmans (everyone's favorite grocery store in the Northeast) has a 100% ID policy for alcohol. Everyone must present their ID regardless of age. It's just easier that way and I don't blame them.


Yeah, I spent a summer in Ithaca.  Three of us (all over 21) gave a friendly wave to a 19 year old we worked with two people behind us in line.  They wouldn't sell to us.

Then driving out of there the same damn Wegmans told me it was illegal to buy beer before noon.  My brother's train I was meeting was so damn delayed that I ended up driving to Rochester and figured, what the hell, went into another store at 11:30.  Yeah, it was legal.  Wtf.

I get the 100% ID, I get not wanting to sell to someone who's going to pass it on to a minor. But Christ, God Forbid you speak to them in the store.

/still miss Ithaca Brewing Company
 
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