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(Gothamist)   This is how you troll when you're setting up an undercover operation to fine bars for selling liquor to minors. Make sure your 19-year-old operative looks like he's 35   (gothamist.com) divider line 305
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2013-02-25 03:50:24 PM
this sort of defeats the purpose of these sorts of things. You want to prevent bars from serving underaged kids but do you really want to trick them into serving underaged kids? What's next, sending them in with outstanding fake ID made by the DMV?
 
2013-02-25 03:50:44 PM
He sounds DREAMY!
 
2013-02-25 03:51:47 PM
At a certain point this is bound to happen, your impulse to check an ID really only kicks on when you see someone who looks young. Christ, why didn't they just get someone who ages in reverse to get this place busted?
 
2013-02-25 03:51:51 PM
Hence why most stores around here use under 40 as the metric.

/31 days.
 
2013-02-25 03:51:59 PM
This is all for the $ecurity of our youth.
 
2013-02-25 03:52:00 PM
Hmmmm...sounds like Bill Brasky....
 
2013-02-25 03:52:16 PM
Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?
 
2013-02-25 03:52:36 PM
That's how I once got a job at an adult bookstore...the city sent in a bearded 17-year-old to rent a porno DVD (the minimum age requirement here is 18) and the clerk got fired for renting it to him. Cops got nothing better to do, I suppose.
 
2013-02-25 03:52:53 PM
Link farked?  Anyway, this kind of "gotcha" bullshiat is why people don't trust the police.  They've gone from serve and protect to "Hmm, not enough people are breaking the law, let's devise a devious means to manufacture some crime to prove we're still relevant."

I certainly feel safer.
 
2013-02-25 03:53:03 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Because Jesus
 
2013-02-25 03:53:43 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


because states want highway money
 
2013-02-25 03:54:06 PM
I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?
 
2013-02-25 03:54:20 PM

StrangeQ: Link farked?  Anyway, this kind of "gotcha" bullshiat is why people don't trust the police.  They've gone from serve and protect to "Hmm, not enough people are breaking the law, let's devise a devious means to manufacture some crime to prove we're still relevant."

I certainly feel safer.


Like when Dallas PD started busting people for public intoxication...while they were sitting in a bar.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:25 PM

RedHeadLover: Hmmmm...sounds like Bill Brasky....


Did I ever tell you about the time Brasky took me out to go get a drink with him? We go off looking for a bar and we can't find one. Finally Brasky takes me to a vacant lot and says, 'Here we are.' We sat there for a year and a half and sure enough someone constructs a bar around us. The day they opened we ordered a shot, drank it, and then burned the place to the ground. Brasky yelled over the roar of the flames, 'Always leave things the way you found em!'
 
2013-02-25 03:54:41 PM
Bought my first case of beer when I was 14.


/can
 
2013-02-25 03:54:49 PM
viewaskew.com
 
2013-02-25 03:55:02 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Because we're stupid.
 
2013-02-25 03:55:47 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


For what reason do you hate the victims of motor vehicle collisions in which a driver was under the influence of alcohol?
 
2013-02-25 03:55:55 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Why it's X in every state - The feds cut all federal highway funding to a state unless certain state laws match requirements.  The drinking age is one of them.
Why X is 21 - Dunno
Why X is over 18 - They didn't like having high schoolers show up for school drunk.
 
2013-02-25 03:56:18 PM

mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?


Country

\Gimme a break; it's Monday
 
2013-02-25 03:56:37 PM
I used to spend many nights a week in that sh*thole.  Used to love the crowd but they seemed to grow younger faster than I grew older.  Still stop by to see the Tims and some of the regulars, but I'm not surprised they got busted.  That place is crawling with high school kids.
 
kab
2013-02-25 03:56:43 PM
This same sort of thing gets used in prostitution stings pretty frequently.. so..

StrangeQ: Link farked?  Anyway, this kind of "gotcha" bullshiat is why people don't trust the police.  They've gone from serve and protect to "Hmm, not enough people are breaking the law, let's devise a devious means to manufacture some crime to prove we're still relevant."

I certainly feel safer.


Gotta collect that sweet fine money.
 
2013-02-25 03:56:56 PM

mjohnson71: most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?


Have you ever seen that show "What Would You Do?" They had two actors dressed in military fatigues saying they just got back from Iraq. They walk into a bar and try to order a drink. The bartender flat-out refuses. The test was to see if other patrons would buy them alcohol. Most of them either did, or suggested a place that will sell to underage veterans.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:08 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?



Anyone posted an answer to this yet?
 
2013-02-25 03:57:47 PM

meyerkev: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

Why it's X in every state - The feds cut all federal highway funding to a state unless certain state laws match requirements.  The drinking age is one of them.
Why X is 21 - Dunno
Why X is over 18 - They didn't like having high schoolers show up for school drunk.


They should change the law to say 18 + high school diploma = legal to drink.
 
2013-02-25 03:57:54 PM
You really never know.  I just saw a picture of my wife's ex when he was in high school: balding and honestly looked mid thirties.  Some people have city miles.

Then there's my co-worker who is 32 with a husband and a kid and could easily pass for 18-19.

/no, I'm not uploading pics of said hot co-worker.  Would be creepy.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:15 PM

Dimensio: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

For what reason do you hate the victims of motor vehicle collisions in which a driver was under the influence of alcohol?


because 22 year olds dont drink and drive.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:21 PM

NoleFarker: I used to spend many nights a week in that sh*thole.  Used to love the crowd but they seemed to grow younger faster than I grew older.  Still stop by to see the Tims and some of the regulars, but I'm not surprised they got busted.  That place is crawling with high school kids.


t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-25 03:58:21 PM
The convenience stores in my neighborhood get busted selling alcohol to underage people every once in a while, so they started to have the employees at the checkout wear a button that says "We ID under 30". Then that changed to "We ID under 40". The last time they wore buttons, it says "Please don't take offense - we ID everyone". Now they don't wear buttons, and even senior citizens that look like they have one foot in the grave are asked for ID when buying alcohol.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:23 PM
Sounds like my buddy Doug.
 
kab
2013-02-25 03:58:30 PM

kumanoki: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Anyone posted an answer to this yet?


Yes:

scottydoesntknow: Because Jesus


And that's as good of an answer as you'll get on the subject.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:55 PM
Yes, you too sounded like this when you were in college.

Bullshiat.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:58 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


Because CDC FACTS (whose outcomes may have been influenced by outside monies, but pay no attention to that, plebian).
 
2013-02-25 03:59:03 PM
If I were selling liquor I'd check ID for everyone.  I don't care if you looked like Abe Vigoda; you are not getting anything from me until I see ID.
 
2013-02-25 03:59:17 PM

mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?



Personally, I blame M.A.D.D.
 
2013-02-25 03:59:22 PM

meyerkev: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

Why it's X in every state - The feds cut all federal highway funding to a state unless certain state laws match requirements.  The drinking age is one of them.
Why X is 21 - Dunno
Why X is over 18 - They didn't like having high schoolers show up for school drunk.


It was 18 when I was in high school.  Don't recall anyone ever getting busted for being drunk in class.  Hell, we never even went to class high.  Saved that shiat for after school and weekends.
 
2013-02-25 03:59:50 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


grassroots.groupon.com
 
2013-02-25 04:00:05 PM
Dunno about that state, but in Texas it's farking confusing:

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/enforcement/age_verification.asp

Texas state law does not require that a person over 21 provide any identification to purchase alcohol in Texas. There is nothing in the law that declares specific forms of ID as "valid" for an alcohol purchase.

However, a person who sells a minor an alcoholic beverage does NOT commit an offense if the minor falsely represents himself to be 21 years old or older by displaying an apparently valid proof of identification that:

contains a physical description and photograph consistent with the minor's appearance;purports to establish that the minor is 21 years of age or older; andwas issued by a governmental agency.
The proof of identification may include a driver's license issued by any state, a U.S. passport, a military identification card or any other ID issued by a state or the federal government.

For that reason, since store clerks, wait staff, and bartenders can be held criminally liable for selling alcohol to a minor, they often require a photo ID issued by a governmental agency, to prove that the person really is 21.

A store, bar or restaurant  might or might not sell alcohol to a person with an expired driver's license, a foreign passport or other ID.  What's acceptable in any establishment is a matter of that establishment's private business policies.

If the patron is obviously over 21, the establishment may not require any ID at all.
 
2013-02-25 04:00:49 PM
I found a picture of the undercover operative.

www.bostonglobe.com
 
2013-02-25 04:00:56 PM

abfalter: If I were selling liquor I'd check ID for everyone.  I don't care if you looked like Abe Vigoda; you are not getting anything from me until I see ID.


To be fair, Abe looks pretty young for his age...
 
2013-02-25 04:01:12 PM

skullkrusher: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

because states want highway money


 and, in louisiana, the highways show the toll of that noble battle.
 
2013-02-25 04:01:27 PM

the_sidewinder: y is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


When I was 17 the drinking age was 18 a legacy of Vietnam.  Just before I turned 18 they bumped it to 19 to keep older high school seniors from buy for younger high schoolers.  When I was 19 they moved it to 20 because neighboring states were 20 and we didn't want kids driving long distances for booze.  The just a week before I turned twenty they bumped it to 21 because Ronny Raygun wouldn't give any state with a drinking age under 21 any federal highway dollars.

At 18 you can be drafted, get married, serve on a capital jury, enter into contracts and have kids but you can't have a beer because you aren't mature enough.
 
2013-02-25 04:01:34 PM
Is this really a surprise?

There are more and more of these older looking kids each year though.  Are they supposed to pick someone who looks 12 and make it super obvious?  The point isn't to see if they think its funny to get the kiddies drunk - it's to see if they're checking ID.  It says he's tall and has a beard - a lot of teens could probably fit that description.  It also mentions them being caught before and an article claiming it is a good place for younger students.  A bar close to campus and popular with college students either knows to card everyone or is knowingly running this risk and doesn't care.

It is not a surprise for them to say he looks 35 because that is exactly the cutoff where their policy says to card people.  They pretty much have to say that.
 
2013-02-25 04:01:36 PM
Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

Answer
 
2013-02-25 04:01:43 PM
Epic trolling for the win! Right, subby?
HAXX0RED THOSE SUXX0RS!
 
2013-02-25 04:01:59 PM

mjohnson71: I've said this before and I'll say this again: the U.S. drinking age of 21 is stupid.

If you can legally do the following at 18:
-vote
-buy a gun
-drive
-sign a legal contract
-get married
-do/buy porn
-most importantly fight and die for your county
then why can't you have a drink?


Because drinking impairs your ability to do most of those things, and honestly most 20-somethings are about as responsible with their drinking as 18 year olds.   I don't think people really get their shiat together until 25-40 when the metabolism and body/brain development slows, and you can't just go out and get roaring drunk all night long (only to call in with "food poisoning" the next day, which nobody believes as your excuse because we've all farking done it and we know you were out scamming).
 
2013-02-25 04:02:05 PM

Katolu: Bought my first case of beer when I was 14.


/can


Stole my first case of beer when I was 12.  I win!
 
2013-02-25 04:02:41 PM
I got shot down trying to purchase beer while using my passport as an ID. I was told that I needed to have a state issued form of ID.
 
2013-02-25 04:03:35 PM

Quaker: the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?

[grassroots.groupon.com image 370x183]


Makes me think of dry counties.

"We don't want people drinking and driving, so we made it illegal to sell alcohol. You'll have to drive to another county to get your booze."

It's like they didn't think their plan through.
 
2013-02-25 04:03:39 PM

the_sidewinder: Why is the legal drinking age so high in the US?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act#Histo ry

"In 1984, the National Minimum Legal Drinking Act, written by Senator  (D-NJ) and influenced by  (MADD), required all states to enforce a minimum legal drinking age of 21 or else risk losing 10% of all federal highway construction funds."

So, a Democrat and M.A.D.D. threatening to take money away are to blame (though I would like to see the voting record for that legislation, my google-fu is lacking)
 
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