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2013-02-25 09:21:01 AM
Who's the retard laughing at the special needs guy on the horse?  You would think she would be more supportive of the guy.  Seems rude to me.

/I keed
 
2013-02-25 09:25:31 AM
I thought we'd all agreed "Palin-American" was the new PC term
 
2013-02-25 09:39:09 AM
I swear.  No state pride here these days.
 
2013-02-25 10:07:55 AM
If a mentally challenged person is late is it still ok to call them tardy?
 
2013-02-25 10:09:47 AM
We should go back to the old terminoligy of Idiot, Moron, and Imbecile.

STOP CHANGING WORDS.  The new word will have the same meaning. And be equally offensive a decade later.
 
2013-02-25 10:09:57 AM
Political Speak 101

"It's not about political correctness," he said. "It's not about being social police. It's about doing the right thing - it's about respect."
 
2013-02-25 10:10:16 AM
"Euphemism is for the differently-brained."--George Carlin.
 
2013-02-25 10:11:43 AM
I've heard that word used as a slur or insult, for 50 years, and not once did I or anyone in my circle of friends think it referred to Autism.  It's not the n-word.
 
2013-02-25 10:14:19 AM

TheSwissNavy: I've heard that word used as a slur or insult, for 50 years, and not once did I or anyone in my circle of friends think it referred to Autism.  It's not the n-word.


What does autism have to do with the article?
 
2013-02-25 10:14:54 AM
You can call a turd a rose, but it's still gonna stink.
 
2013-02-25 10:15:09 AM
Fine. Go ahead and take the r-word away and replace it with "intellectually disabled." We'll just go and make a pejorative out of that.

"God, Brittney, stop being such an intel-dis!"

"Yeah, upper management has been really riding my ass lately. What a bunch of intellectual disabs!"
 
2013-02-25 10:15:25 AM

Snotnose: If a mentally challenged person is late is it still ok to call them tardy?


No. The correct term would be "chronologically disabled".
 
2013-02-25 10:15:42 AM
I've always just said republican.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:18 AM

TheSwissNavy: I've heard that word used as a slur or insult, for 50 years, and not once did I or anyone in my circle of friends think it referred to Autism.  It's not the n-word.


Maybe that's because autism and mental retardation are not the same thing.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:23 AM
For short, just call them Flid.
 
2013-02-25 10:17:05 AM
That's retarded
 
2013-02-25 10:18:18 AM
How long before they have to strike the word disabled from the books because it has become a slur? Any word used for flappers and droolers  is going to  become a slur.


//that's retarded
 
2013-02-25 10:20:29 AM
It's a medical / technical description for those who have a learning disability; They're mentally retarded. It's a totally legitimate term and has no negative connotations, except the imagined by overly sensitive people.

In other words, no, the state should not stop using the term.
 
2013-02-25 10:21:05 AM
There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".

I've heard that this is the case in Turkish for words meaning "cucumber". The problem is that what ever the current word for cucumber is it becomes slang for "penis" - so much so that proper women can't use it in polite society. So a new polite word is chosen for "cucumber" and the whole cycle repeats.
 
2013-02-25 10:21:29 AM

Watt Durden: How long before they have to strike the word disabled from the books because it has become a slur? Any word used for flappers and droolers  is going to  become a slur.


How dare you sir. They're not disabled - they're just differently-abled.
 
2013-02-25 10:22:26 AM
Hey, if you don't want to change what you call intellectual disabled folks, that's cool. Like the N-word, it's OK if the people the word describes use the R-word.
 
2013-02-25 10:24:00 AM
So, we're going to forget all about the actual dictionary definition of the word retard and all its conjugations because somebody might get their feelings hurt?  Retarded means delayed or impeded.  What's the big deal?  Sounds like these "activists" need a hobby.
 
2013-02-25 10:24:35 AM
I thought we agreed that we was getting rid of the r-word in favor of Palin-American
 
2013-02-25 10:29:52 AM

HairBolus: There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".


Here's the problem: almost EVERY word for "stupid" is related to the concept of mental retardation/intellectual disability/whatever.  Most of them actually originate in it.

Lunatic: deriving from the mistaken belief insanity was due to lunar influences.
Moron: used to mean, medically, someone who was 'intellectually disabled',  i.e. of an IQ below a certain threshold.
Retarded: same
Idiot: same
Infantile: same
Handicapped: derives from the phrase "cap in hand", referring to those persons who begged for money (i.e. appeared "cap in hand") due to their injuries/disabilities.

The fact is that it's intrinsically undesirable to be of such low IQ as to be 'retarded'.  It doesn't mean that person is undesirable or not, but no one would be so deluded as to pretend anyone aspired to be 'retarded' or 'intellectually disabled' or anything of the sort.  It is intrinsically insulting to be called less than smart, and that will always - in all languages and cultures - be an insult so long as intelligence has any value (see: Idiocracy).

If this succeeds, all that will happen is that kids will use the phrase 'intellectually disabled' in the same way, eventually.  Most of these words - including 'retarded' in particular - were actually introduced into the lexicon to be a PC replacement for a predecessor (retarded replaced moron, if I remember correctly) in the medical language.
 
2013-02-25 10:30:01 AM

Glancing Blow: Political Speak 101

"It's not about political correctness," he said. "It's not about being social police. It's about doing the right thing - it's about respect."


Horseshait.

It's about being butthurt.
Man up nancy boys.
A tard's a tard and that is all there is to that.
The term is accurate, and correct and it stands.

Farking nation of pussies sliding down the slope to idiocracy.
 
2013-02-25 10:30:47 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Watt Durden: How long before they have to strike the word disabled from the books because it has become a slur? Any word used for flappers and droolers  is going to  become a slur.

How dare you sir. They're not disabled - they're just differently-abled.


How dare you! They're dyffrently-abled.
 
2013-02-25 10:30:47 AM

mattharvest: Handicapped: derives from the phrase "cap in hand"


citation?
 
2013-02-25 10:30:56 AM
They used to call the state facility in Faribault, MN the School for the Feeble Minded.  Now they call it Shattuck-St Mary's
 
2013-02-25 10:32:08 AM
gerbilpox: TheSwissNavy: I've heard that word used as a slur or insult, for 50 years, and not once did I or anyone in my circle of friends think it referred to Autism.  It's not the n-word.

Maybe that's because autism and mental retardation are not the same thing.

because one is undoubtedly real in an objective, testable sense and one is in 98%+ of the time basically a fiat between a parent who needs easy excuses and a medical industry happy to collect the case?
 
2013-02-25 10:35:33 AM
Can't we just get along and go back to referring to them as  feebleminded.
 
2013-02-25 10:39:49 AM
Any time we use a word to describe a group of people, that word becomes associated with that group, and then becomes offensive.  Retarded means slow, they are generally mentally slower, and so it becomes an apt descriptor.  In 30 years the words "Special", "*insert race here-American", and "same-sex" will be offensive, because kids will start using them on the playground as insults.  Can't we just, as a society, stop taking so much offense before our whole damn language is a blacklist?
 
2013-02-25 10:45:14 AM

Deoan: Any time we use a word to describe a group of people, that word becomes associated with that group, and then becomes offensive.  Retarded means slow, they are generally mentally slower, and so it becomes an apt descriptor.  In 30 years the words "Special", "*insert race here-American", and "same-sex" will be offensive, because kids will start using them on the playground as insults.  Can't we just, as a society, stop taking so much offense before our whole damn language is a blacklist?


Please, African-American List is the preferred nomenclature.
 
hej
2013-02-25 10:52:09 AM
If you rounded them all up and kept them in a giant underground kennel, this whole thing would immediately become a non issue.
 
2013-02-25 10:55:59 AM
Potato.
 
2013-02-25 10:56:38 AM

hej: If you rounded them all up and kept them in a giant underground kennel, this whole thing would immediately become a non issue.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. The usage of the word kennel here is demeaning to dogs, bub. Take it elsewhere withs ya.
 
2013-02-25 10:58:07 AM
I inherited a stamp collection and have U.S. Stamps from the 70's that have a picture of kids and say retarded children's month or year of retarded child can't remember and don't want to dig them up right now but they do say retarded.
I think I will get one and mail them a letter.....
 
2013-02-25 10:59:31 AM
And hillbillies want to be called sons of the soil, but it ain't gonna happen.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:20 AM
I'll be over at the sped shed.
 
2013-02-25 11:04:43 AM
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-02-25 11:05:52 AM

OhioUGrad: I've always just said republican.


I've always just said democrat.


See how lazy that joke is?
 
2013-02-25 11:12:51 AM
This happened with "idiot," which used to be the preferred medical term, and at different times it also happened with several other terms. Whatever replaces 'retarded' is probably going to be almost instantly co-opted to mean the same thing in popular usage, and in a few years the whiny coonts who are getting upset by a spade being called a spade are going to be demanding that whatever replaces 'retarded' be replaced itself.

I managed to find this out with about two minutes of research the last time this exact issue came up, which is why I find it kind frustrating that these farking retards can't do the same.
 
2013-02-25 11:16:34 AM
Low information people.
 
2013-02-25 11:20:57 AM
i.ytimg.com

Hates Gator fans Floridians
 
2013-02-25 11:22:24 AM
Ever notice how happy the retarded seem? Why not just call them "happily unaware"?
 
2013-02-25 11:26:20 AM
I propose this:

In America, let's start using "mong."  If people don't know what it means, they won't find it offensive.  It'll last for a little while, at least.
 
2013-02-25 11:27:57 AM
I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.
 
2013-02-25 11:32:28 AM

HairBolus: There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".

I've heard that this is the case in Turkish for words meaning "cucumber". The problem is that what ever the current word for cucumber is it becomes slang for "penis" - so much so that proper women can't use it in polite society. So a new polite word is chosen for "cucumber" and the whole cycle repeats.


I have lived in Turkey for 8 years and I never once heard the word 'salatalik'('cucumber' in Turkish) used to refer to a mans penis before.

I might have to ask some friends and see if they can confirm this.
or something.
 
2013-02-25 11:33:13 AM

Holy Crap: This happened with "idiot," which used to be the preferred medical term, and at different times it also happened with several other terms. Whatever replaces 'retarded' is probably going to be almost instantly co-opted to mean the same thing in popular usage, and in a few years the whiny coonts who are getting upset by a spade being called a spade are going to be demanding that whatever replaces 'retarded' be replaced itself.

I managed to find this out with about two minutes of research the last time this exact issue came up, which is why I find it kind frustrating that these farking retards can't do the same.


that's rascist

also, Rick Scott is a retard
 
2013-02-25 11:36:54 AM
Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.
 
2013-02-25 11:36:59 AM

havocmike: I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.


Gay is offensive, because you're using a word for a sexual identity that the non-bigoted don't consider a negative in a negative sense. If you said, "that's so black" as an insult, you'd get the crap beat out of you, and rightfully so.

Retarded is different- lack of intelligence is an inherently negative thing. It's already a negative word, so it's not really offensive to use it in a pejorative sense. Yeah, sucks if you're actually medically retarded, but when you use the word as an insult, you are deliberately drawing a comparison to those people who have medically addled brains. The comparison is the important part, whatever you call the brain addled.
 
2013-02-25 11:37:37 AM
We were already coerced into referring to the hillbillies as Appalachian-Americans.
 
2013-02-25 11:44:35 AM
I propose politics-tabians.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:15 AM
I just say Biden-esque, people know what Im trying to say.
 
2013-02-25 11:53:06 AM
But can I still use the term to describe setting the ignition timing on my '61 Ford falcon!?!?

/CAN I !!!
 
2013-02-25 11:55:38 AM
Use "retard" around a PC activist and get an earful of coonty attitude.

Use "retard" around a retard and get a hug.

Which one is the idiot?
 
2013-02-25 11:57:55 AM
FTFA :"intellectual disability" and "intellectually disabled."

I will now automatically substitute "farking stupid" if I see these terms in the future.
 
2013-02-25 12:00:05 PM

Holy Crap: This happened with "idiot," which used to be the preferred medical term, and at different times it also happened with several other terms. Whatever replaces 'retarded' is probably going to be almost instantly co-opted to mean the same thing in popular usage, and in a few years the whiny coonts who are getting upset by a spade being called a spade are going to be demanding that whatever replaces 'retarded' be replaced itself.

I managed to find this out with about two minutes of research the last time this exact issue came up, which is why I find it kind frustrating that these farking retards can't do the same.


Actually if you change the terms to complex conjugations and multi word phrases then they tend to be fairly resistant to being co-opted because the oblique references such as "differently abled" and whatever tend to be difficult to convert into insults, which tend to need to be short and pithy to feed into normal language as insults
 
2013-02-25 12:00:05 PM

NOVanHelsing: But can I still use the term to describe setting the ignition timing on my '61 Ford falcon!?!?

/CAN I !!!


If you have a set back gun just set the gun to 4 or 6 ?  and the timing marks will be at zero with the engine running....Happy Motoring...
 
2013-02-25 12:04:03 PM
I remember in the late-80s/90s when "special" became the politically correct term for the retarded. The very same day we were instructed that the Special Ed kids were not retards, but special, kids started using the term special as a pejorative.

To this day I have to take a mental pause any time I hear the word special used in conversation to consider if it's being used in a derogatory manner or not.
 
2013-02-25 12:06:26 PM

mattharvest: HairBolus: There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".

Here's the problem: almost EVERY word for "stupid" is related to the concept of mental retardation/intellectual disability/whatever.  Most of them actually originate in it.

Lunatic: deriving from the mistaken belief insanity was due to lunar influences.
Moron: used to mean, medically, someone who was 'intellectually disabled',  i.e. of an IQ below a certain threshold.
Retarded: same
Idiot: same
Infantile: same
Handicapped: derives from the phrase "cap in hand", referring to those persons who begged for money (i.e. appeared "cap in hand") due to their injuries/disabilities.

The fact is that it's intrinsically undesirable to be of such low IQ as to be 'retarded'.  It doesn't mean that person is undesirable or not, but no one would be so deluded as to pretend anyone aspired to be 'retarded' or 'intellectually disabled' or anything of the sort.  It is intrinsically insulting to be called less than smart, and that will always - in all languages and cultures - be an insult so long as intelligence has any value (see: Idiocracy).

If this succeeds, all that will happen is that kids will use the phrase 'intellectually disabled' in the same way, eventually.  Most of these words - including 'retarded' in particular - were actually introduced into the lexicon to be a PC replacement for a predecessor (retarded replaced moron, if I remember correctly) in the medical language.


The problem lies in using the world solely as an insult with no other redeeming value.  By calling someone "stupid" or a "moron" or "retarded" you are offering them an insult on the mental capacity of their thoughts or behavior but without any sort of context as to the nature of their actions.  I've often struggled with describing the actions of someone I see as foolish but don't have a real solid description for, so I settle with "they're retarded" when what I really mean is that they're either acting in an ignorant manner, i.e. without all the facts, willfully or not, or are actually completely mindful of all the information involved and still acting in a manner contrary to common sense or reason.  It is the second occurrence that most often gets the mentally-handicapped laden response since they would appear to be acting in a manner that would suggest that they do indeed have impaired mental facilities.  But when they do not, and yet are acting as if they do, what would the appropriate response be?
 
2013-02-25 12:07:45 PM

xria: Holy Crap: This happened with "idiot," which used to be the preferred medical term, and at different times it also happened with several other terms. Whatever replaces 'retarded' is probably going to be almost instantly co-opted to mean the same thing in popular usage, and in a few years the whiny coonts who are getting upset by a spade being called a spade are going to be demanding that whatever replaces 'retarded' be replaced itself.

I managed to find this out with about two minutes of research the last time this exact issue came up, which is why I find it kind frustrating that these farking retards can't do the same.

Actually if you change the terms to complex conjugations and multi word phrases then they tend to be fairly resistant to being co-opted because the oblique references such as "differently abled" and whatever tend to be difficult to convert into insults, which tend to need to be short and pithy to feed into normal language as insults


Yes, but the trouble is that if you use the word "differently-abled" when talking to me, I'm gonna call you retarded.

\Do you have all the physical abilities human beings have evolved to have as standard?
\\No? Then you're dis. abled. As in deprived of an ability that comes standard. Look up the root.
\\\Not a moral judgement, just a description.
 
2013-02-25 12:08:24 PM

unlikely: I thought we'd all agreed "Palin-American" was the new PC term


I thought it was Virginian...

/hmmm
 
2013-02-25 12:09:18 PM
Ah, just call them whatever they want.  In twenty years the new term will be all used up and become insulting again.
 
2013-02-25 12:13:58 PM

ShawnDoc: I remember in the late-80s/90s when "special" became the politically correct term for the retarded. The very same day we were instructed that the Special Ed kids were not retards, but special, kids started using the term special as a pejorative.

To this day I have to take a mental pause any time I hear the word special used in conversation to consider if it's being used in a derogatory manner or not.


To add to the fun, the advanced students program I was in during elementary school was changed from "Advanced Learning" to "Very Special Needs" during the time I was there. This was the program where they took the highest performers from all over the district, put 'em with some of the best teachers, and stuck us all in the schools most in need of higher test score averages. Yeah, we weren't thrilled with the name.
 
2013-02-25 12:21:51 PM

KellyX: I thought we agreed that we was getting rid of the r-word in favor of Palin-American


OhioUGrad: I've always just said republican.


unlikely: I thought we'd all agreed "Palin-American" was the new PC term


Whatever you want to be called is ok with the rest of us.
 
WGJ
2013-02-25 12:21:53 PM
So the Association for Retarded Citizens has a problem with the use of the word retard.
 
2013-02-25 12:31:25 PM

cptjeff: havocmike: I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.

Gay is offensive, because you're using a word for a sexual identity that the non-bigoted don't consider a negative in a negative sense. If you said, "that's so black" as an insult, you'd get the crap beat out of you, and rightfully so.

Retarded is different- lack of intelligence is an inherently negative thing. It's already a negative word, so it's not really offensive to use it in a pejorative sense. Yeah, sucks if you're actually medically retarded, but when you use the word as an insult, you are deliberately drawing a comparison to those people who have medically addled brains. The comparison is the important part, whatever you call the brain addled.



So I guess saying black holes are so black is going to get me beat up?  That is so gay.
 
2013-02-25 12:31:41 PM

Fano: And hillbillies want to be called sons of the soil, but it ain't gonna happen.


A-hem.  We prefer the term "Appalachian-Americans."
 
2013-02-25 12:36:32 PM
img39.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-25 12:38:56 PM
The idea is to make labels so long and awkward that they fall into disuse in common speech.  There will be no convenient way to insult others.
 
2013-02-25 12:39:28 PM
This is like people trying to get rid of the word biatch.  biatch is first and a genre for a female dog.  Women are called it because so many times they display characteristics of a female dog.  When they are in their fertility cycle they are affectionate and want sex, when not they can become nasty and cold.  This is how a female dog acts.  Women call men dogs and it seems to be ok because fewer men act like male dogs than women act like female dogs which is why men don't get upset over it.  If you change the word biatch to another word, women will just be referred to by the new name.  So the word should stay and everyone offended should stop acting like a bunch of biatches.
 
2013-02-25 12:40:25 PM

cptjeff: havocmike: I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.

Gay is offensive, because you're using a word for a sexual identity that the non-bigoted don't consider a negative in a negative sense. If you said, "that's so black" as an insult, you'd get the crap beat out of you, and rightfully so.



Did you see Fargo?  That movie was so black.
 
2013-02-25 12:43:31 PM
cuckoo for cocoa puffs
 
2013-02-25 12:47:18 PM
RIP TARD
s8.postimage.org
 
2013-02-25 12:50:44 PM
Sounds retarded.
 
2013-02-25 12:55:28 PM

cptjeff: havocmike: I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.

Gay is offensive, because you're using a word for a sexual identity that the non-bigoted don't consider a negative in a negative sense. If you said, "that's so black" as an insult, you'd get the crap beat out of you, and rightfully so.

Retarded is different- lack of intelligence is an inherently negative thing. It's already a negative word, so it's not really offensive to use it in a pejorative sense. Yeah, sucks if you're actually medically retarded, but when you use the word as an insult, you are deliberately drawing a comparison to those people who have medically addled brains. The comparison is the important part, whatever you call the brain addled.


Fair point. FWIW - It's pretty rare that I drop a "that's gay" on things.
 
2013-02-25 12:57:36 PM
That's so disabled.
 
2013-02-25 01:00:30 PM

boinkingbill: Women call men dogs and it seems to be ok because fewer men act like male dogs than women act like female dogs which is why men don't get upset over it


No, its because men don't give a shiat, and often are quite proud of being called a dog, dawg.
 
2013-02-25 01:03:09 PM
If you use the word "retard" as an insult and you're over the age of 12, you're probably an idiot.
 
2013-02-25 01:14:40 PM
Well that's just gay, what a bunch of retards.
 
2013-02-25 01:18:24 PM

skullkrusher: If you use the word "retard" as an insult and you're over the age of 12, you're probably an idiot.


You've been eating retard sammiches again?
 
2013-02-25 01:19:33 PM

Onkel Buck: skullkrusher: If you use the word "retard" as an insult and you're over the age of 12, you're probably an idiot.

You've been eating retard sammiches again?


only if they're sliced very thin
 
2013-02-25 01:32:38 PM

canavar: HairBolus: There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".

I've heard that this is the case in Turkish for words meaning "cucumber". The problem is that what ever the current word for cucumber is it becomes slang for "penis" - so much so that proper women can't use it in polite society. So a new polite word is chosen for "cucumber" and the whole cycle repeats.

I have lived in Turkey for 8 years and I never once heard the word 'salatalik'('cucumber' in Turkish) used to refer to a mans penis before. I might have to ask some friends and see if they can confirm this. or something.


You do realize that 'salatalik'  means "salad thing", presumably because the old word for "cucumber" became too impolite. This may be the source I heard the story from - Linguist List 1998 (which also contains more info on problems with sex terms and vegetables and fruits)

((Buying fruit or eggs in North Sumatra seems to be as tricky as buying cucumbers in Turkey, see below.))

 Kjetil Ra Hauge, Oslo: Something similar seems to be in the process of happening with the word for "cucumber" in Turkish: hIyar (I\255tless i). The methaphorical meaning has become so predominant that people prefer to ask for "salatalIk" 'salad thingie' instead. The word is still in the dictionaries, and the methaphorical meaning is given as "stupid person" or something like that, but I have read somewhere (and I am sorry I cannot remember where) that it also has the meaning of "penis", and my colleague who teaches Turkish supports me on this.


((I had been told before that a word for 'cucumber' in Turkish never lasts longer than a week. What may it be now?))
 
2013-02-25 01:35:06 PM

skullkrusher: Onkel Buck: skullkrusher: If you use the word "retard" as an insult and you're over the age of 12, you're probably an idiot.

You've been eating retard sammiches again?

only if they're sliced very thin


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

And the tomatoes are ripe.
 
2013-02-25 01:38:22 PM

Son of Thunder: skullkrusher: Onkel Buck: skullkrusher: If you use the word "retard" as an insult and you're over the age of 12, you're probably an idiot.

You've been eating retard sammiches again?

only if they're sliced very thin

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And the tomatoes are ripe.


hehe tried to think of a way to work mutton into my post. Thanks for the follow up.
 
2013-02-25 01:40:39 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The idea is to make labels so long and awkward that they fall into disuse in common speech.  There will be no convenient way to insult others.


Ingsoc can be used for good!
 
2013-02-25 01:45:15 PM
Ching Chong Potato?
 
2013-02-25 01:46:14 PM
Oh for fark's Sake! This is the most retarded shiat ever.

Get this, Morons, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the condition and the having to live with the condition. I have a pair of Retarded cousins (twins, didn't get enough oxygen in the womb), and their life sucks out loud in 16.7 million colors whatever word you use for their condition.  Changing the language will do precisely dick for them. This sort of busybodied PC idiocy is the functional equivalent of Facebook Slacktivism: Utterly worthless.


jaybeezey: OhioUGrad: I've always just said republican.

I've always just said democrat.

See how lazy that joke is?


Showing the sort of Originality we've come to expect from the Differently-abled there, JBZ.  Shouldn't you  be queueing up for pudding day about now?
--------
See, I can use the concept offensively without calling JBZ a Retard or a Republican or a Palin American.
 
2013-02-25 01:46:24 PM
farker?
 
2013-02-25 01:49:43 PM
Eventually we will run out of terms to call them.
 
2013-02-25 01:50:00 PM

TypoFlyspray: Get this, Morons, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the condition and the having to live with the condition. I have a pair of Retarded cousins (twins, didn't get enough oxygen in the womb), and their life sucks out loud in 16.7 million colors whatever word you use for their condition. Changing the language will do precisely dick for them. This sort of busybodied PC idiocy is the functional equivalent of Facebook Slacktivism: Utterly worthless.


yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

No longer calling black people "colored" isn't going to do a farking thing for them but in this day and age, many people would take offense to it so people don't use it. It's not "PC". It's just being a decent human.
 
2013-02-25 01:54:39 PM

Deoan: Any time we use a word to describe a group of people, that word becomes associated with that group, and then becomes offensive.  Retarded means slow, they are generally mentally slower, and so it becomes an apt descriptor.  In 30 years the words "Special", "*insert race here-American", and "same-sex" will be offensive, because kids will start using them on the playground as insults.  Can't we just, as a society, stop taking so much offense before our whole damn language is a blacklist?


We were making 'special' jokes on the playground back in the late 80s early 90s.
 
2013-02-25 01:58:20 PM

HairBolus: canavar: HairBolus: There is some name for this in linguistics where a nice neutral term like "retarded" is chosen to replace derogative terms like "moron" and "idiot", but it over time becomes mainly "bad".

I've heard that this is the case in Turkish for words meaning "cucumber". The problem is that what ever the current word for cucumber is it becomes slang for "penis" - so much so that proper women can't use it in polite society. So a new polite word is chosen for "cucumber" and the whole cycle repeats.

I have lived in Turkey for 8 years and I never once heard the word 'salatalik'('cucumber' in Turkish) used to refer to a mans penis before. I might have to ask some friends and see if they can confirm this. or something.

You do realize that 'salatalik'  means "salad thing", presumably because the old word for "cucumber" became too impolite. This may be the source I heard the story from - Linguist List 1998 (which also contains more info on problems with sex terms and vegetables and fruits)

((Buying fruit or eggs in North Sumatra seems to be as tricky as buying cucumbers in Turkey, see below.))

 Kjetil Ra Hauge, Oslo: Something similar seems to be in the process of happening with the word for "cucumber" in Turkish: hIyar (I\255tless i). The methaphorical meaning has become so predominant that people prefer to ask for "salatalIk" 'salad thingie' instead. The word is still in the dictionaries, and the methaphorical meaning is given as "stupid person" or something like that, but I have read somewhere (and I am sorry I cannot remember where) that it also has the meaning of "penis", and my colleague who teaches Turkish supports me on this.


((I had been told before that a word for 'cucumber' in Turkish never lasts longer than a week. What may it be now?))


well that's interesting and now i definitely must try and learn more...tomorrow i will ask my co-workers about it...i can almost see the women blushing and giggling lol....better just ask the guys.
 
2013-02-25 02:01:09 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-25 02:01:50 PM
Retards -> Mongs
Autistics -> Spastics
 
2013-02-25 02:02:04 PM
FTA: Florida is one of only 11 states that hasn't yet dropped variations on "retard" from common usage in state regulations

So...this...is...an...outrage?
 
2013-02-25 02:02:54 PM
Get this, Morons, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the condition and the having to live with the condition. I have a pair of Retarded cousins (twins, didn't get enough oxygen in the womb), and their life sucks out loud in 16.7 million colors whatever word you use for their condition. Changing the language will do precisely dick for them. This sort of busybodied PC idiocy is the functional equivalent of Facebook Slacktivism: Utterly worthless.

yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

No longer calling black people "colored" isn't going to do a farking thing for them but in this day and age, many people would take offense to it so people don't use it. It's not "PC". It's just being a decent human.


 Problem is, as many have pointed out, that whatever term you use will soon become the new insult.

But whatever it takes for you all to continue with your denial, I guess.
 
2013-02-25 02:03:18 PM

cptjeff: havocmike: I've got a feeling that in about 30 years, I'm going to be considered an asshole because I still call objects "gay" and "retarded", even when they're clearly not capable of being either.

Circle of life, I suppose.

Gay is offensive, because you're using a word for a sexual identity that the non-bigoted don't consider a negative in a negative sense. If you said, "that's so black" as an insult, you'd get the crap beat out of you, and rightfully so.

Retarded is different- lack of intelligence is an inherently negative thing. It's already a negative word, so it's not really offensive to use it in a pejorative sense. Yeah, sucks if you're actually medically retarded, but when you use the word as an insult, you are deliberately drawing a comparison to those people who have medically addled brains. The comparison is the important part, whatever you call the brain addled.


I once knew a guy who justified using words like gay as insults because being gay is a bad thing, and calling a person a bad thing is what an insult is all about. He also believed gays could not love, only lust. He was an "interesting" fellow. Somehow having troubles finding/keeping a gf made him increasingly homophobic.
 
2013-02-25 02:04:55 PM

doubled99: Problem is, as many have pointed out, that whatever term you use will soon become the new insult.


Problem is, bullshiat.

doubled99: But whatever it takes for you all to continue with your denial, I guess.


People don't like to be called something so don't call them that? Revolutionary.
 
2013-02-25 02:05:56 PM
Another one, provided by Stephen King is "roont". As in having a ruined brain.
 
2013-02-25 02:06:02 PM
Jokes about political correctness?  Time to party like it's 1989!
 
2013-02-25 02:07:52 PM

EdNortonsTwin: Ah, just call them whatever they want.  In twenty years the new term will be all used up and become insulting again.


OK, I'll call them "Hodor."
 
2013-02-25 02:10:40 PM
Problem is, as many have pointed out, that whatever term you use will soon become the new insult.

Problem is, bullshiat.



Hoo boy, you got me there!
Who takes care of you, again?
 
2013-02-25 02:15:10 PM

doubled99: Problem is, as many have pointed out, that whatever term you use will soon become the new insult.

Problem is, bullshiat.


Hoo boy, you got me there!
Who takes care of you, again?


I refuted your baseless assertion with a baseless assertion. You're right - I did get you there. You're just not bright enough to get it
 
2013-02-25 02:25:36 PM
Will the Fark filter have to have "retard" added to it? "Successful and attractive intellectually disabled person"? "Unnerving-Americans"? "Special people of specialness"?
 
2013-02-25 02:26:07 PM
I refuted your baseless assertion with a baseless assertion. You're right - I did get you there. You're just not bright enough to get it

Baseless assertion? That whatever the correct currently correct term becomes an insult? Do some very simple research on the terms used over the last 100 years, and you will see how utterly wrong you are. Oh, wait. No, you won't.  Never mind.
Hold fast!
 
2013-02-25 02:30:10 PM
I like 'em French-fry potaters.

//mmm-hmm
 
2013-02-25 02:31:20 PM

skullkrusher: yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.


What's the rule, exactly? Is it that I can't use any word for the condition as an insult? Or is there something special about the word "retard"?
 
2013-02-25 02:32:14 PM

doubled99: I refuted your baseless assertion with a baseless assertion. You're right - I did get you there. You're just not bright enough to get it

Baseless assertion? That whatever the correct currently correct term becomes an insult? Do some very simple research on the terms used over the last 100 years, and you will see how utterly wrong you are. Oh, wait. No, you won't.  Never mind.
Hold fast!


you're right, I won't. You made the assertion. Back it up or shut up. In your research, note the tone of the words used. Or continue believing that general trends of the past are bound to continue while assuming all remains the same. This is why we still have slavery and homosexuality is less accepted today than it was 50 years ago.
 
2013-02-25 02:32:55 PM

skullkrusher: People don't like to be called something so don't call them that? Revolutionary.


Dipshiat -- may I call you dipshiat? No? Ok -- Dipshiat: this isn't about calling them retarded, it's about using the word retarded metaphorically for people like you.
 
2013-02-25 02:36:00 PM

royone: skullkrusher: yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

What's the rule, exactly? Is it that I can't use any word for the condition as an insult? Or is there something special about the word "retard"?


It's an ugly word. It's a childish word. Many who are or have someone with such a disability in their lives find it hurtful. So don't use it in mixed company. The rules aren't so hard.

As an insult, asking someone if they're "mentally disabled" or whatever doesn't have the same tone as calling a person a "retard". People who are or care for those who do have mental disabilities are aware that it is a less than idea situation. I do think certain terms are more hurtful than others though.
 
2013-02-25 02:37:56 PM

royone: skullkrusher: People don't like to be called something so don't call them that? Revolutionary.

Dipshiat -- may I call you dipshiat? No? Ok -- Dipshiat: this isn't about calling them retarded, it's about using the word retarded metaphorically for people like you.


like calling a straight person a "f*ggot", right? I mean, you're not actually calling a gay person a "f*ggot" so it's cool. You're just using it as a stand in for something else totally unrelated to sexuality Who can be hurt by that then?

Grow up, boy.
 
2013-02-25 02:38:06 PM

skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

What's the rule, exactly? Is it that I can't use any word for the condition as an insult? Or is there something special about the word "retard"?

It's an ugly word.


I see your point. An insult definitely shouldn't be ugly.
 
2013-02-25 02:39:18 PM

skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: People don't like to be called something so don't call them that? Revolutionary.

Dipshiat -- may I call you dipshiat? No? Ok -- Dipshiat: this isn't about calling them retarded, it's about using the word retarded metaphorically for people like you.

like calling a straight person a "f*ggot", right? I mean, you're not actually calling a gay person a "f*ggot" so it's cool. You're just using it as a stand in for something else totally unrelated to sexuality Who can be hurt by that then?

Grow up, boy.


Are you sexually attracted to straw men?
 
2013-02-25 02:39:56 PM

royone: skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

What's the rule, exactly? Is it that I can't use any word for the condition as an insult? Or is there something special about the word "retard"?

It's an ugly word.

I see your point. An insult definitely shouldn't be ugly.


There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard". Real special. Seriously, are they letting you use the computers during recess because it's raining outside or something?
 
2013-02-25 02:40:52 PM

royone: skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: People don't like to be called something so don't call them that? Revolutionary.

Dipshiat -- may I call you dipshiat? No? Ok -- Dipshiat: this isn't about calling them retarded, it's about using the word retarded metaphorically for people like you.

like calling a straight person a "f*ggot", right? I mean, you're not actually calling a gay person a "f*ggot" so it's cool. You're just using it as a stand in for something else totally unrelated to sexuality Who can be hurt by that then?

Grow up, boy.

Are you sexually attracted to straw men?


you are aware that analogy and strawman are not the same thing, right? I asked a question. Are you going to answer it or are you up for appearing more foolish than you already have?
 
2013-02-25 02:43:07 PM

skullkrusher: There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard".


Which, of course, I didn't do. But you do loves the strawmen.

skullkrusher: you are aware that analogy and strawman are not the same thing, right?


Yes, but you didn't merely offer an analogy, you offered something that you took to be my position so that you could rape it in the ass.
 
2013-02-25 02:45:06 PM

royone: Yes, but you didn't merely offer an analogy, you offered something that you took to be my position so that you could rape it in the ass.


so you do use the word "f*ggot" in conversation? See, I was giving you the credit that you didn't. That was the point. Judging by your other entries here, I almost certainly overestimated your intelligence.
 
2013-02-25 02:45:45 PM
Location: Houston, TX

oh.. hehe, nevermind. I DID overestimate your intelligence.
 
2013-02-25 02:46:24 PM

skullkrusher: There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard". Real special. Seriously, are they letting you use the computers during recess because it's raining outside or something?


Are you using "special" insultingly to be ironic, or are you just that retarded?
 
2013-02-25 02:47:46 PM

JesseL: skullkrusher: There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard". Real special. Seriously, are they letting you use the computers during recess because it's raining outside or something?

Are you using "special" insultingly to be ironic, or are you just that retarded?


nothing gets by you, huh?
 
2013-02-25 02:48:54 PM

skullkrusher: so you do use the word "f*ggot" in conversation?


I mostly receive that word. In conversations with you.
 
2013-02-25 02:50:14 PM

royone: skullkrusher: so you do use the word "f*ggot" in conversation?

I mostly receive that word. In conversations with you.


I call you a "f*ggot"?
 
2013-02-25 02:50:51 PM
There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard".


You don't even know why this statement is so funny, do you?
 
2013-02-25 02:51:33 PM

doubled99: There is something special about morons defending their use of the word "retard".


You don't even know why this statement is so funny, do you?


oh, I do. See below.

moron.
 
2013-02-25 02:52:23 PM
I prefer "intellectually disabled".  If you're going to be disabled by somebody, it might as well be an intellectual.
 
2013-02-25 02:54:07 PM

Yogimus: We should go back to the old terminoligy of Idiot, Moron, and Imbecile.

STOP CHANGING WORDS.  The new word will have the same meaning. And be equally offensive a decade later.


This.  It's like Negro-Black-African American.  Shell shock, "postconcussional syndrome", battle fatigue, traumatic war neurosis, ptsd

I expect the medical terms to change occasionally as knowledge of the specifics of the conditions become better known, but let's keep as many of the other words around as possible.  You're always going to have insults.

canavar: I have lived in Turkey for 8 years and I never once heard the word 'salatalik'('cucumber' in Turkish) used to refer to a mans penis before.


You could be early in the cycle; it probably takes more like 20 years for the shift.

I remember a polynesian tribe that considered their god's name too sacred to be spoken; to do so was sacrilegious.  So they'd come up with a nickname for it.  As the elders who knew the old name died off, the nickname became associated as the 'real' name, nobody remembering the old one, so the nickname was no longer spoken and a new nick chosen.  It went on long enough that the researchers figure some names were repeated.
 
2013-02-25 02:56:03 PM

skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: so you do use the word "f*ggot" in conversation?

I mostly receive that word. In conversations with you.

I call you a "f*ggot"?


You included the word in comments directed to me. I received the word. I haven't used it You brought it up. You seem to bring it up a lot, I can only speculate about why. It probably has to do with your troll heritage.
 
2013-02-25 02:57:44 PM

royone: skullkrusher: royone: skullkrusher: so you do use the word "f*ggot" in conversation?

I mostly receive that word. In conversations with you.

I call you a "f*ggot"?

You included the word in comments directed to me. I received the word. I haven't used it You brought it up. You seem to bring it up a lot, I can only speculate about why. It probably has to do with your troll heritage.


probably.

So you don't use it?
 
2013-02-25 03:04:07 PM
Roont is a good word.
 
2013-02-25 03:04:40 PM
No matter what the name is, there will always be activists whose main purpose is to whine over nomenclature instead of being useful.  No matter what term is given to certain people, the term will be used as an insult by some people or used to create a slang insult (ex: aspie).

Why the fark should the professional community have to change names just because of that?

/I suspect because it has the potential to be an easy victory, you get the state board to change the name on its official terms list and you can declare victory, pat yourself on the back, and feel good
//which is so much easier than providing a decade of care to an actual retard
 
2013-02-25 03:06:00 PM

Mega Steve: Hates Gator fans Floridians


Now, Gator fans are their own special brand of retards. Mean ones. They deserve hate.
 
2013-02-25 03:06:13 PM
just cycle through the words once people have mostly forgotten the oldest words
 
2013-02-25 03:09:08 PM

Pichu0102: just cycle through the words once people have mostly forgotten the oldest words


It works for passwords.
Password1
Gandalf
dragon
God
Password1
...
 
2013-02-25 03:09:49 PM

unlikely: I thought we'd all agreed "Palin-American" was the new PC term


This.
 
2013-02-25 03:11:29 PM

El Brujo: Another one, provided by Stephen King is "roont". As in having a ruined brain.


Oh dammit, now you've got me. Before he worked that into the Dark Tower series he had an old man (uncle? grandpa?) character in another book saying "Ya roont 'em {character name}!" possibly as part of a memory. Clearly it's being used in a rather different sense than what you're referencing. It's going to bug me until I figure out what book that was but I'm thinking Christine. This is about as distracting as hearing or mishearing someone say anything that sounds like nadsat.
 
2013-02-25 03:13:05 PM
I think "skullcrushed" would make a good term as well for those afflicted
 
2013-02-25 03:17:11 PM
Is "window licker" still ok, though?
 
2013-02-25 03:21:42 PM

doubled99: I think "skullcrushed" would make a good term as well for those afflicted


it would. That implies brain dama... oh, you were making a joke? I don't think humor is your thing. Or posting on the internet. Or thinking.
 
2013-02-25 03:24:03 PM
Can we exchange "retarded" with "not retarded"?

That way we can still say the word while stating that the retard in question isn't a retard.  The retards won't know any better.
 
2013-02-25 03:25:44 PM
Education was much more effective when retarded kids were placed in their special retard rooms and not allowed to bother normal kids. Sorry, but the truth.

60k a year for an autistic kid in VT, per year. 12-14k per normal student as well. That is what it costs taxpayers.
 
2013-02-25 03:30:25 PM

Moonfisher: Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.


Smart is as broad-spectrum of a word as Autistic.
 
2013-02-25 03:31:57 PM

Moonfisher: Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.


Heck, most of them are smarter than all of me, except my brain.
 
2013-02-25 03:41:33 PM

royone: Moonfisher: Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.

Heck, most of them are smarter than all of me, except my brain.


At least 25% of autistics meet the criteria for mental retardation.  That's if you're using the "happy" statistics.
 
2013-02-25 03:54:16 PM
That definition for "retarded" is so far advanced and hard to understand perhaps now many more of us qualify.
 
2013-02-25 04:13:04 PM
The same thing happened in the UK. Spastic became a derogatory word, so "The Spastics Society" renamed to "Scope".

Now scope is being used in a derogatory way.
 
2013-02-25 04:19:13 PM
I think what is wrong with people today is political correctness. I see kids all over the place acting retarded who are not retarded. We can't say "quit acting retarded" because it might offend someone who is retarded. So that more people are acting retarded. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHhh
 
2013-02-25 04:21:15 PM
I can't believe I'm the first one to do this...
buttonpushingmonkey.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-25 04:33:33 PM

Cup_O_Jo: I think what is wrong with people today is political correctness.


You do realize that "political correctness" started out as a fairly neutral or even positive term that has had its semantic scope over generalized and now is often used as a broad negative term that has lost much of its meaning?

What's next? Will "politeness" or "consideration" become pejoratives? After all, Republicans have mounted an effort to make "empathy" and "science" dirty words and have destroyed the meaning of "patriotism" and are working on "freedom"..
 
2013-02-25 04:38:43 PM

skullkrusher: TypoFlyspray: Get this, Morons, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the condition and the having to live with the condition. I have a pair of Retarded cousins (twins, didn't get enough oxygen in the womb), and their life sucks out loud in 16.7 million colors whatever word you use for their condition. Changing the language will do precisely dick for them. This sort of busybodied PC idiocy is the functional equivalent of Facebook Slacktivism: Utterly worthless.

yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

No longer calling black people "colored" isn't going to do a farking thing for them but in this day and age, many people would take offense to it so people don't use it. It's not "PC". It's just being a decent human.


The big difference is that "colored" was a euphemism.  Back when "colored' was the polite term, "black" would get a fight on your hands.  The "coloreds" then looked at the situation where the "whites" were happily being called "whites" and they would rage over being called "black", and promptly started the "black pride" movement.  "Colored" is offensive today not because it isn't "PC" (you should use African-World-Citizen), but it implies that being such a race requires an euphemism.*

"Retarded" is just a worn out euphemism which no longer hides the medical definition it was supposed to.  It makes even less sense since "retarded" means exactly "developmentally disabled", why not choose the simpler one already in use.

* my father has been known to use the term "colored" in the twentyfirst century.  It is better than what his mother used (although not around my little ears).
 
2013-02-25 04:47:28 PM

HairBolus: Cup_O_Jo: I think what is wrong with people today is political correctness.

You do realize that "political correctness" started out as a fairly neutral or even positive term that has had its semantic scope over generalized and now is often used as a broad negative term that has lost much of its meaning?

What's next? Will "politeness" or "consideration" become pejoratives? After all, Republicans have mounted an effort to make "empathy" and "science" dirty words and have destroyed the meaning of "patriotism" and are working on "freedom"..


I'm pretty sure "political correctness" has always had a pejorative cast to it, at least as it has been used in mainstream discourse in the English-speaking world. I could probably count on one hand the number of times I've heard it used in a neutral or positive fashion...and it was always by people who were apparently tone-deaf to the irony and allusion built up in the term.
 
2013-02-25 04:47:33 PM
If you have to retard the timing on your '68 Chevelle, do you now have to intellectually disable the timing on your '68 Chevelle?
 
2013-02-25 04:49:35 PM
The problem with this has nothing to do with it being overly PC, it has to do with damaging the language:

Mental Retardation has a very specific meaning that Intellectually Disabled does not.  You could have severe autism and be considered Intellectually Disabled, but MR means something very different.  Or if you have Downs, that's different from MR.

I do agree that the flippant way it's used as an insult is bad, but that doesn't justify damaging medical language.   Most people just need to be exposed to more MR people, it would stop them throwing that word around the same way spending time with gay people has stopped people using gay as a slur.
 
2013-02-25 05:04:33 PM

Yogimus: We should go back to the old terminoligy of Idiot, Moron, and Imbecile.

STOP CHANGING WORDS.  The new word will have the same meaning. And be equally offensive a decade later.


THIS.

Words have a natural tendency to "slide" toward their most negative meanings. Idiot, moron, and imbecile were all official classifications, and then became slurs. So we changed to to "mental retardation", "mentally retarded", and "retarded" ... which have likewise come to be viewed as derogatory terms and now their usage is considered to be politically incorrect.

So we're moving to "intellectually disabled"? Gee, that's never gonna become the slur du jour.

Fecking morons.
 
2013-02-25 05:14:20 PM

HairBolus: What's next? Will "politeness" or "consideration" become pejoratives? After all, Republicans have mounted an effort to make "empathy" and "science" dirty words and have destroyed the meaning of "patriotism" and are working on "freedom"..


Or how about "herp" and "derp"? Are people going to start using those as insults?
 
2013-02-25 05:17:33 PM

another cultural observer: royone: Moonfisher: Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.

Heck, most of them are smarter than all of me, except my brain.

At least 25% of autistics meet the criteria for mental retardation.  That's if you're using the "happy" statistics.


Yes, and conversely many of them are gifted and brilliant.  There are retarded people with autism, but having autism does not mean you're retarded.  And I still stand by my statement; after careful review of the politics tab, I am convinced that at least 50% of the people on Fark are retarded.
 
2013-02-25 05:18:05 PM
"Retarded" is a great insult BECAUSE IT IS SO INSULTING.

Would I call a challenged person by that name? Hell no. Would I call someone acting like a retard (a totally different kettle of fish)  a retard?  Hell yes.  Three times a day if I need to.
 
2013-02-25 05:22:53 PM

Moonfisher: another cultural observer: royone: Moonfisher: Autistic people aren't retarded.  In fact, most of them are smarter than most of you.

Heck, most of them are smarter than all of me, except my brain.

At least 25% of autistics meet the criteria for mental retardation.  That's if you're using the "happy" statistics.

Yes, and conversely many of them are gifted and brilliant.  There are retarded people with autism, but having autism does not mean you're retarded.  And I still stand by my statement; after careful review of the politics tab, I am convinced that at least 50% of the people on Fark are retarded.


For every Rain Man autistic, there are 100,000 of them that are just run of the mill retarded. People really think autism bestows some magic intellect?
 
2013-02-25 05:25:41 PM

HairBolus: Cup_O_Jo: I think what is wrong with people today is political correctness.

You do realize that "political correctness" started out as a fairly neutral or even positive term that has had its semantic scope over generalized and now is often used as a broad negative term that has lost much of its meaning?

What's next? Will "politeness" or "consideration" become pejoratives? After all, Republicans have mounted an effort to make "empathy" and "science" dirty words and have destroyed the meaning of "patriotism" and are working on "freedom"..


Yes, I know how it started. However, the world moves on. Definitions move on. Political parties change. It's called moving forward. You should try it. Or maybe you are retarded?
 
2013-02-25 05:33:25 PM

vudukungfu: mattharvest: Handicapped: derives from the phrase "cap in hand"

citation?


This page is way too farking long to actually read, but apparently this is false. It has something to do with some weird old-timey game.


http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/handicap.asp
 
2013-02-25 06:25:35 PM
Ponce man might have a problem with you using "Floridian", it's just too cruel.
 
2013-02-25 06:37:53 PM
Obligatory:

Doctor Funkenstein 2007-12-18 12:49:35 PM


What kind of dumbasses do they have working there? Doesn't sound like much of a prank.

[ring, ring, ring]
School Guy> Hello. This is Tard Shockin' School. How can I help you?

Prankster> Hello. Would you please shock some tards?

School Guy> I need proper authorization for that.

Prankster> OK, I'm the boss. Now get to shocking.

School Guy> Right away, sir.

Tard> I like pie...rawr...[ZAP]
 
2013-02-25 06:46:52 PM
just put this into the search engine      3276148  and hopefully you will be able to read it.....
 
2013-02-25 06:48:00 PM
 
2013-02-25 07:11:41 PM

Yogimus: We should go back to the old terminoligy of Idiot, Moron, and Imbecile.

STOP CHANGING WORDS.  The new word will have the same meaning. And be equally offensive a decade later.


Well, that is the problem.

Really, can you think of a work more well-intentioned than "special"? It's pure essence of PC feel-good terminology and it  still has a stigma because the word is less important than the association, just as you say.

Be that as it may, let's not go back to idiot, moron and imbecile. Those are outmoded terms that really don't have any scientific validity, and the distinctions that they draw are wholly artificial.

Let's just keep mentally retarded. Retardation is a perfect good and accurate term to describe the condition, whereas "mentally challenged" is something that describes anyone trying to do a difficult Sudoku.
 
2013-02-25 07:14:07 PM
Is midget still acceptable?
 
2013-02-25 07:38:32 PM
You know, if they say "so and so is mentally retarded" that is one thing, but to call someone "a retard" is kind of offensive.

One is a clinical description of fact, the other is a pejorative used to hurt or mock.
 
2013-02-25 08:01:01 PM
They should STFU and be thankful they aren't called Mongolian Idiots anymore. In my Learning and Behavioral Disorder class in college our teacher gave this really long and nice speech about how the new PC term is "intellectually challenged", and my first thought was "That's retarded.". To me,  "intellectually challenged" is even more offensive, because it's as if they're incapable of being intellectual. There are people with high functioning Down's Syndrome that have the potential to be intellectual. Just because they were born with an affliction doesn't mean they should be automatically judged. To me, that is retarded. Retarded isn't a bad word. Calling someone a 'retard' is unnecessary. Say the whole word, yo.
 
2013-02-25 08:26:33 PM

SoupJohnB: I like 'em French-fry potaters.

//mmm-hmm


The weird thing about that movie is that all the retards in that movie talk that way. The girl Carl met also talked like no sped I've ever seen.
 
2013-02-25 08:44:25 PM

what the cat dragged in: I can't believe I'm the first one to do this...
[buttonpushingmonkey.files.wordpress.com image 590x318]


I'll see that and raise ya.
i593.photobucket.com
And Knoxville still gets work after this?
 
2013-02-25 08:53:27 PM

laid back w/bud light: Is midget still acceptable?


I hope so, because they really don't like "hobbit," I've found...
 
2013-02-25 08:55:20 PM
Retarded wasn't an insult until people started to use it on intelligent people.
 
2013-02-25 09:12:40 PM

HairBolus: linguistics


"Euphemism treadmill" is the probably the term you're looking for; the idea is arguably much older.

Actually, I can remember exactly when I decided to hop off that treadmill, once and for all -- it was when I had a classroom of students (university seniors) audibly *gasp* when I used the word "retarded" in a lecture, in a perfectly literal and grammatical way.

Since then, I've decided I'm entirely comfortable with my vocabulary and how I use it. So, I just don't feel the need to keep up with the latest verbal fashions...especially those driven by moronic taboos.
 
2013-02-25 09:34:04 PM
"Chlorine bleach helps retard mold growth".....whaaaa off to jail you go
 
2013-02-25 10:35:44 PM
This is PC idiocy at its finest.

"Once considered a medical term, "retard" and "retarded" evolved into a slur used by children and adults alike .."

So what happens when "intellectually challenged" or whatever nonsense they would rather use becomes a slur, as it most certianly will?  Do they then ban that too? It seems like a huge waste of public resources to go changing words every 20 years or so as their meaning becomes polluted by association with the thing they represent.  If those representing the retarded were smart they would do more like the gays have done with the word queer or some radical feminists have done with the word slut.  They adopted it, thus stealing its power.
 
2013-02-26 01:04:03 AM

GoSurfing: If you have to retard the timing on your '68 Chevelle, do you now have to intellectually disable the timing on your '68 Chevelle?


Not sure about that, but I do know that if I'm driving along in a '68 Chevelle (mind if I change it to a '70 Sport Fury GT?) and I press the horizontal pedal on the left, my vehicle will be retarded.

Because it's been slowed.
 
2013-02-26 01:11:08 AM
how about "gay"

i think it is LESS hurtful than retarded.  cause it implies that the person had a CHOICE in the matter.  to be gay.  instead of lets say.  nice, and thoughtful
 
2013-02-26 03:45:49 AM
I just call them Democrats.

And Republicans.
 
2013-02-26 08:52:29 AM
christians are adults that really believe in angels

QED

lulz invisible sky wizards
 
2013-02-26 02:33:59 PM

BarkingUnicorn: The idea is to make labels so long and awkward that they fall into disuse in common speech.  There will be no convenient way to insult others.


Tikki Tikki Tembo-no Sa Rembo-chari Bari Ruchi-pip Peri Pembo approves of this method.
 
2013-02-26 03:07:40 PM

Yogimus: We should go back to the old terminoligy of farker, farker, and farker.

STOP CHANGING WORDS.  The new word will have the same meaning. And be equally offensive a decade later.


you have a good point
 
2013-02-28 02:46:34 PM

skullkrusher: TypoFlyspray: Get this, Morons, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the condition and the having to live with the condition. I have a pair of Retarded cousins (twins, didn't get enough oxygen in the womb), and their life sucks out loud in 16.7 million colors whatever word you use for their condition. Changing the language will do precisely dick for them. This sort of busybodied PC idiocy is the functional equivalent of Facebook Slacktivism: Utterly worthless.

yeah, their lives are tough and so are the lives of those who have to care for them. So if those people ask you not to use the word because it is hurtful, you're a gigantic asshole for continuing to use it.

No longer calling black people "colored" isn't going to do a farking thing for them but in this day and age, many people would take offense to it so people don't use it. It's not "PC". It's just being a decent human.


No, it's people who need to grow a thicker skin.  Changing the term every couple of decades doesn't change the facts.
 
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