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2013-02-25 11:14:23 AM  
Thing is, at this point I have absolutely no idea what their target market should be.  The fastest-selling book ever was 50 Shades of Gray, in which case Amazon.com doesn't even need to exist for B&N to feel the hurt.  You can get that schlock from any shelf in a Target or Wal-mart.  There aren't enough regular readers to sustain a large chain with the costs B&N has.

Lately it looks like they get most of their revenue from promotional contracts where a firm will buy up millions of copies of some crazy self-promoting pundit to get them on the bestseller list, and it all winds up on "80% off" special tables at B&N.  No way B&N stocks those books unless they made their money up front.  OK, I'm guessing, but as long as those tables are there I'd say Amazon.com is the least of their concerns.

I don't patronize B&N anymore and I don't even have a tablet.
 
2013-02-25 11:19:38 AM  
The last time couple times I went into a Barnes and Nobles, they did not have the books I was looking for despite having a bazillion square feet of floor space.
 
2013-02-25 11:20:00 AM  
This is bad news for Amazon also.  Just like when your have "restaurant row" in Anytown USA. Yes they compete against each other but when one goes out of business the attraction of restaurant row goes down for all players.

/I'm looking at you Best Buy.
 
2013-02-25 11:28:22 AM  
At some level B&N likely needs to look at shrinking their stores.  The trade papeback is the poster child for being turned into an ePub or shipped to you for free via Amazon Prime.  The experience of browsing down a row of books can be replaced with a well done website and/or phone app.  Basically I have a hard time seeing a future where paying for the square footage to store a bunch of those books and display them to the public will remain profitable. There are of course some exceptions for the Oprah books and whatever else people will flock in to buy thanks to the fact they are too computer illiterate to buy off Amazon.  However the nice long shelf stuffed with five years worth of SciFi paperbooks, that is likely going away.

Where the printed book will always thrive is the hardcover.  Especially nicely done ones where the book moves more in the direction of being a luxury item than a commodity.  My favorite used book store actually moved out of the strip mall because they felt the foot traffic from the location wasn't worth the higher rent.  Those of us that really want books will of course seek them out, but the owner moved to a location where now 70% of his store is basically a warehouse for the commodity stuff he lists on Abebooks.  There is one nice display area where all his rare or collectible books are out and marked for sale, but if you want to go in and shelf browse for SciFi, you end up in a warehouse like area.  He said his margins went up after making that move since he can find and pull books faster for online sales and he is paying less in rent
 
2013-02-25 11:29:09 AM  
The last few times I was in Barnes & Noble I could not find any of the books I was looking for but they sure had a large amount of floor space dedicated to children's toys and other non-book related crap. Amazon it is.
 
2013-02-25 11:29:22 AM  
That, or maybe sell it TO Amazon, at an obscene profit. Thus turning B&N into the book equivalent of an Apple store?
 
2013-02-25 11:29:41 AM  

mrlewish: This is bad news for Amazon also.  Just like when your have "restaurant row" in Anytown USA. Yes they compete against each other but when one goes out of business the attraction of restaurant row goes down for all players.

/I'm looking at you Best Buy.


You eat at Best Buy?
 
2013-02-25 11:33:01 AM  
I don't care about the brick and mortar stores, just keep on chugging with the Nook.  It's a better device(read: more open) with a very good store.  It may not sell as well as the Kindle, but the market needs competitors to keep Amazon from completely walling it off with their proprietary file formats and distinct lack of ePub support.
 
2013-02-25 11:34:08 AM  
But, but ... GROWTH!
 
2013-02-25 11:34:59 AM  

bhcompy: I don't care about the brick and mortar stores, just keep on chugging with the Nook.  It's a better device(read: more open) with a very good store.  It may not sell as well as the Kindle, but the market needs competitors to keep Amazon from completely walling it off with their proprietary file formats and distinct lack of ePub support.


Just use Calibre.  I have had zero trouble reading any books on my Kindle.
 
2013-02-25 11:36:01 AM  

dragonchild: Thing is, at this point I have absolutely no idea what their target market should be.  The fastest-selling book ever was 50 Shades of Gray, in which case Amazon.com doesn't even need to exist for B&N to feel the hurt.  You can get that schlock from any shelf in a Target or Wal-mart.  There aren't enough regular readers to sustain a large chain with the costs B&N has.


incorrect. the retail business of B&N is still profitable. $225 million in net pre-tax profit in 2012.

B&N's financial woes are driven by losses in Nook, currently running at $50 million a quarter.
 
2013-02-25 11:41:12 AM  

NeoCortex42: bhcompy: I don't care about the brick and mortar stores, just keep on chugging with the Nook.  It's a better device(read: more open) with a very good store.  It may not sell as well as the Kindle, but the market needs competitors to keep Amazon from completely walling it off with their proprietary file formats and distinct lack of ePub support.

Just use Calibre.  I have had zero trouble reading any books on my Kindle.


Sigh.. Middleware shouldn't be necessary.
 
2013-02-25 11:42:35 AM  
Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.
 
2013-02-25 11:48:10 AM  

bhcompy: NeoCortex42: bhcompy: I don't care about the brick and mortar stores, just keep on chugging with the Nook.  It's a better device(read: more open) with a very good store.  It may not sell as well as the Kindle, but the market needs competitors to keep Amazon from completely walling it off with their proprietary file formats and distinct lack of ePub support.

Just use Calibre.  I have had zero trouble reading any books on my Kindle.

Sigh.. Middleware shouldn't be necessary.


If you have a large library, it's worth using, regardless of what e-reader you use.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:17 AM  

Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.


I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:50 AM  

Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.


Need that lawn trimmed?
 
2013-02-25 11:57:10 AM  

Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.


Maybe you have a grandchild who can help you with the "World Wide Web".
 
2013-02-25 12:06:18 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.


No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

Reading is Fundamental dude, give it a try.
 
2013-02-25 12:06:54 PM  

Another Government Employee: Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.

Need that lawn trimmed?


No, it's under a foot of snow, but I could use some Manscaping, if you've got the time.
 
2013-02-25 12:07:41 PM  

Tank_Fuzzbutt: The last few times I was in Barnes & Noble I could not find any of the books I was looking for but they sure had a large amount of floor space dedicated to children's toys and other non-book related crap. Amazon it is.


My local store has removed quite a few tall book racks to open up the store for Nook displays.  They have reduced the back catalog extensively so that if the book you want wasn't published in the last 2 or three years you have to order it.

Don't know what Nook sales look like, but IMO they've reduced their sales per square foot by reducing in store hard copies for the hope of selling more expensive virtual copies.  Still go in for certain magazines as the Borders next door was shutter a while back, making B&N an over sized news stand.  BAMM has the better news stand, but the local store is slightly less convenient for me.
 
2013-02-25 12:07:54 PM  

Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.

No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

Reading is Fundamental dude, give it a try.


Maybe "password" wasn't a good choice for your password.
 
2013-02-25 12:09:28 PM  

Do you know who Garblox is: Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.

Maybe you have a grandchild who can help you with the "World Wide Web".


What? Grandkids know how to give an actual hands on experience to something online? That's pretty cool. Up until now, I've had to dort through hundreds of reviews to figure out which ones were truly positive reviews, and not paid shills, and which ones were truly negative reviews, and not just some moron who can't figure out the remote. I can go to a brick and mortar store, on the other hand, and actually turn on the TV, see if the buttons are cheesy pieces of shiat, and if the screen is too dim, or the picture is so distorted that it makes your mom look good. But since apparently they can do that on the internet now, I guess I'll have to change my way of thinking.
 
2013-02-25 12:12:36 PM  

Mikey1969: Do you know who Garblox is: Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.

Maybe you have a grandchild who can help you with the "World Wide Web".

What? Grandkids know how to give an actual hands on experience to something online? That's pretty cool. Up until now, I've had to dort through hundreds of reviews to figure out which ones were truly positive reviews, and not paid shills, and which ones were truly negative reviews, and not just some moron who can't figure out the remote. I can go to a brick and mortar store, on the other hand, and actually turn on the TV, see if the buttons are cheesy pieces of shiat, and if the screen is too dim, or the picture is so distorted that it makes your mom look good. But since apparently they can do that on the internet now, I guess I'll have to change my way of thinking.


Learn to use third party sites.  All you can learn from the Amazon star rating is:

If it is below 3.5, the product sucks and the vendor can't even afford to buy fake ratings.  If it is over 3.5 and a known brand, it is likely good.  If neither of the two, third party reviews.

/beside Amazon has free returns if you tell them the vendor farked you
 
2013-02-25 12:13:42 PM  

Mikey1969: No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.


You also sound like the guy who extrapolates from a very small sample size and resists any larger data that shows his conclusions are incorrect.
 
2013-02-25 12:14:33 PM  

Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.


This is why I go to brick-and-mortar stores to test potential purchases before I get them for often times, MUCH cheaper (even when I have to pay shipping, hoorah for Prime) through Amazon. If I need something right away, I might actually buy from a store, but for the most part I am patient and can wait about a week for whatever it is I want.
 
2013-02-25 12:15:39 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.

I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.


I've seen people give Amazon shiatty reviews for what UPS did to their package. Reviewers are stupid, and if you're relying on them to tell you how your experience with something will be, you are a fool.
 
2013-02-25 12:15:41 PM  

Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.

No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

Reading is Fundamental dude, give it a try.


Sure, here's what I read: guy castigates an entire company because he got burned on his CC.  Anecdotal evidence means that therefore Amazon is a corrupt entity hellbent on destroying your credit rating.

\or maybe you need to be a bit more careful with your CC
 
2013-02-25 12:17:34 PM  

CheatCommando: Mikey1969: No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

You also sound like the guy who extrapolates from a very small sample size and resists any larger data that shows his conclusions are incorrect.


Yup, considering that his sample size is an entire TWO WHOLE times that he's purchased something from online.  I've been burned once or twice myself, but more often than not, I walk away a very happy shopper.
 
2013-02-25 12:17:49 PM  
It took me three months, and a couple dozen emails, to determine my cancelling their readers-club membership went through. They're not high on my list of companies right now. The amusing part were their roboreplies, saying how much they valued me as a customer and were looking forward to my next visit.
 
2013-02-25 12:18:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: Fark Amazon... I never buy from them, and the last two times I actually made the mistake, my card has gotten compromised within a day. I'm sure that it's a "coincidence", even though these are also 2 of the last 3 online purchases I've made.

Unlike the rest of the world, apparently, I don't WANT to buy everything online. I want it when I buy it, not 3-21 days later. I want to be able to test it and see it in action, not rely on "reviews" offered up by a bunch of shills. I see far more downsides to buying online than I see upsides.

I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.

I've seen people give Amazon shiatty reviews for what UPS did to their package. Reviewers are stupid, and if you're relying on them to tell you how your experience with something will be, you are a fool.


Yep, that's why I usually try to seek out the low star reviews before I buy a product.  About 80% of the time, it is something completely stupid they are biatching about that has no bearing on the actual product itself.  Here's one for a book I just bought:

"I guess the book might be good if only Amazon could have sent me the correct edition that they have listed. Amazon tried twice to send me what I ordered, got it wrong twice, and then Amazon gave up. Any correspondence with Amazon to resolve the matter has been met with insipid computerized responses. The 1 star rating is for Amazon."

Note that the review has NOTHING to do with the book, so now the author gets the pleasure of getting a lowered rating because one simpleton can't navigate customer service.
 
2013-02-25 12:19:29 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.

No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

Reading is Fundamental dude, give it a try.

Sure, here's what I read: guy castigates an entire company because he got burned on his CC.  Anecdotal evidence means that therefore Amazon is a corrupt entity hellbent on destroying your credit rating.

\or maybe you need to be a bit more careful with your CC


You mean the one I hardly use? The one I used for the second time in months on Amazon and immediately got burned? You're right, I shouldn't hold them accountable for their shiatty security, I must be imagining things. There's no way the company that stated that it was their right to sell absolutely ANY piece of data they collected from you to third parties couldn't POSSIBLY fark up your credit card security.
 
2013-02-25 12:22:51 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I've seen people give Amazon shiatty reviews for what UPS did to their package. Reviewers are stupid, and if you're relying on them to tell you how your experience with something will be, you are a fool.


And hence the reason that I need brick and mortar to actually test out a product myself. I get a kick out of the funny fake reviews on Amazon, but they water down the process even more horrifically than it already is. At least Monoprice requires you to buy that specific item before you can review it. They alos respond in the reviews section(As does Newegg) so that people can see that the company responded and how the complaint process proceeded.
 
kab
2013-02-25 12:24:03 PM  
It's a smart move on his part, there's no need for every business under the sun to be publicly traded.
 
2013-02-25 12:24:11 PM  

Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Mikey1969: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've had an Amazon card for almost five years now, and have never had any problems with it.  You sound kind of like those reviewers who give a product one star on Amazon because it was too difficult to open the box.

No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

Reading is Fundamental dude, give it a try.

Sure, here's what I read: guy castigates an entire company because he got burned on his CC.  Anecdotal evidence means that therefore Amazon is a corrupt entity hellbent on destroying your credit rating.

\or maybe you need to be a bit more careful with your CC

You mean the one I hardly use? The one I used for the second time in months on Amazon and immediately got burned? You're right, I shouldn't hold them accountable for their shiatty security, I must be imagining things. There's no way the company that stated that it was their right to sell absolutely ANY piece of data they collected from you to third parties couldn't POSSIBLY fark up your credit card security.


Funny, they haven't farked up mine in 6+ years, and I've had hundreds if not thousands of transactions with them.

But, hey, you're right. Let's go with your sample size of two and the ever-increasing possibility you're retarded.
 
2013-02-25 12:24:45 PM  

Mikey1969: The My Little Pony Killer: I've seen people give Amazon shiatty reviews for what UPS did to their package. Reviewers are stupid, and if you're relying on them to tell you how your experience with something will be, you are a fool.

And hence the reason that I need brick and mortar to actually test out a product myself. I get a kick out of the funny fake reviews on Amazon, but they water down the process even more horrifically than it already is. At least Monoprice requires you to buy that specific item before you can review it. They alos respond in the reviews section(As does Newegg) so that people can see that the company responded and how the complaint process proceeded.


So you're okay with shopping online with monoprice?  I've never even heard of that site.  I *have* heard of Amazon, and I've never once had my information compromised after making a purchase.

Your complaints about Amazon read *exactly* like the shiatty reviews we're all making fun of.
 
kab
2013-02-25 12:28:01 PM  

CheatCommando: Mikey1969: No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

You also sound like the guy who extrapolates from a very small sample size and resists any larger data that shows his conclusions are incorrect.


If someone goes to a highly regarded restaurant, and thinks his food sucks, is he going to go back simply because everyone else had a good experience?
 
2013-02-25 12:28:12 PM  
I think B&N needs to further focus on customer experience.

Rather than have an extensive physical inventory, they should be focused on exposing customers to a high quality inventory and have a very quick transaction system that leads to purchasing the ebook while the customer is in the store.  Maybe even make the internal store layout more maze-like (e.g. IKEA) to make the trip more of an adventure..again focusing on exploration and discovery of books that might be hiding in a small nook somewhere.

While purchasing something on Amazon is straightforward, it is very rare that I ever discover a book there...it's just not the same as wandering around a bookstore looking at covers.

Diversifying into more merchandise as they've done isn't a terrible thing...though trying to be a "unique" gift store  as a national chain is probably pretty tough.

/just my 2 cents
 
2013-02-25 12:29:54 PM  

kab: CheatCommando: Mikey1969: No, I sound like the kind of person who get sburned almost every time they use Amazon.

You also sound like the guy who extrapolates from a very small sample size and resists any larger data that shows his conclusions are incorrect.

If someone goes to a highly regarded restaurant, and thinks his food sucks, is he going to go back simply because everyone else had a good experience?


Probably not, but he will do his best to insist that everybody else's experiences were the fluke and not his own.
 
2013-02-25 12:37:19 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I think B&N needs to further focus on customer experience.

Rather than have an extensive physical inventory, they should be focused on exposing customers to a high quality inventory and have a very quick transaction system that leads to purchasing the ebook while the customer is in the store.  Maybe even make the internal store layout more maze-like (e.g. IKEA) to make the trip more of an adventure..again focusing on exploration and discovery of books that might be hiding in a small nook somewhere.

While purchasing something on Amazon is straightforward, it is very rare that I ever discover a book there...it's just not the same as wandering around a bookstore looking at covers.

Diversifying into more merchandise as they've done isn't a terrible thing...though trying to be a "unique" gift store  as a national chain is probably pretty tough.

/just my 2 cents


I can see this, but, unfortunately, the books I would find at B&N will still be absurdly priced.  Why would I pay $35 to $25 for a new hardcover?  That's a ridiculous amount of money for something I will, if lucky, read two or three times.  Even many eBooks are prohibitively priced; the Kindle editions of most new releases are still $10 to $15.

Now, I have been in many a used bookstore that have mazelike or cavern-like designs, and there's something pretty cool about finding a book about something you had no idea existed, and then discovering it is only a buck.
 
2013-02-25 12:39:28 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So you're okay with shopping online with monoprice? I've never even heard of that site. I *have* heard of Amazon, and I've never once had my information compromised after making a purchase.


Monoprice is well-known in IT for cheap-as-all-hell cabling & components.  If you ever need USB, HDMI, DVI, etc cables or connectors, check them out.  Not always the cheapest but pretty damn close to it.
 
2013-02-25 12:39:45 PM  

kab: If someone goes to a highly regarded restaurant, and thinks his food sucks, is he going to go back simply because everyone else had a good experience?


No, but he will be mocked if he tries to state is sucks generally, as opposed to he got a bad meal/service there.
 
2013-02-25 12:42:16 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Sure, here's what I read: guy castigates an entire company because he got burned on his CC.  Anecdotal evidence means that therefore Amazon is a corrupt entity hellbent on destroying your credit rating.


In other words, exactly what happens on Fark every single day of the week in most threads.
 
2013-02-25 12:51:51 PM  
I hope B&N find a way to stay open and competitive.  I adopted the Nook reader early because it was the superior product... now the Kindle has come to parity with the Nook in most reguards.  I do not want to change because I have way too much money locked in with the nook store and the Kindle will not accept anything sold by B&N.
 
2013-02-25 12:54:02 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: So you're okay with shopping online with monoprice?  I've never even heard of that site.  I *have* heard of Amazon, and I've never once had my information compromised after making a purchase.


Then you're paying FAR too much for electronic components. Ask your IT guy, everything at work is probably shipped from Monoprice, every cable, VGA adapter, you name it. If you pay $30 for a  6-ft HDMI cable, you've paid about $27 too much, and will quite possibly have a shiattier quality than Monoprice delivers. Never had an issue. never met anyone who had an issue, yet I have a high percentage of issues with Amazon. Weird how that works. People keep whining about my "small sample size", but when my sample size keeps farking up, there's an issue.

The My Little Pony Killer: Your complaints about Amazon read *exactly* like the shiatty reviews we're all making fun of.


Why? I'm on-topic, and complaining about a VALID concern with the company, not giving a book a 1-star rating due to Amazon being slow in the shipping. I'm giving Amazon a crappy rating for seemingly not being able to keep customer's private data safe.
 
2013-02-25 12:58:42 PM  

Saiga410: I hope B&N find a way to stay open and competitive.  I adopted the Nook reader early because it was the superior product... now the Kindle has come to parity with the Nook in most reguards.  I do not want to change because I have way too much money locked in with the nook store and the Kindle will not accept anything sold by B&N.


Same.  I had the first version of the Simple Nook for five years now.  I've had absolutely no problems with it  and would have stayed faithful to them had they just stayed competitive.   But now I've been seduced by the raised skirt and perfumed inner thigh of the Amazon Paperwhite.
 
2013-02-25 12:59:14 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Yup, considering that his sample size is an entire TWO WHOLE times that he's purchased something from online.  I've been burned once or twice myself, but more often than not, I walk away a very happy shopper.


Actually, I have used them a handfull of tiomes, but exactly HOW STUPID would you have to be if you used a company twice, got your card burned twice, and kept coming back? That would quite possibly be the biggest farking pile of derp I ever heard of. I can just see the answer on the local news' Consumer Advocate segment.

"Well, John, I figured that after people had ripped off my credit card information both times I used the company, eventually it would stop, so I'm just going to keep giving them my info until people stop ripping off my credit card data.".

Seriously, THIS is the stupidest response I could have imagined on this subject, and the most amazing thing is that you're not the lone dingus advocating for me to keep trying until I finally have a secure transaction. Unbelievable.
 
2013-02-25 01:02:21 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Nuclear Monk: I think B&N needs to further focus on customer experience.

Rather than have an extensive physical inventory, they should be focused on exposing customers to a high quality inventory and have a very quick transaction system that leads to purchasing the ebook while the customer is in the store.  Maybe even make the internal store layout more maze-like (e.g. IKEA) to make the trip more of an adventure..again focusing on exploration and discovery of books that might be hiding in a small nook somewhere.

While purchasing something on Amazon is straightforward, it is very rare that I ever discover a book there...it's just not the same as wandering around a bookstore looking at covers.

Diversifying into more merchandise as they've done isn't a terrible thing...though trying to be a "unique" gift store  as a national chain is probably pretty tough.

/just my 2 cents

I can see this, but, unfortunately, the books I would find at B&N will still be absurdly priced.  Why would I pay $35 to $25 for a new hardcover?  That's a ridiculous amount of money for something I will, if lucky, read two or three times.  Even many eBooks are prohibitively priced; the Kindle editions of most new releases are still $10 to $15.

Now, I have been in many a used bookstore that have mazelike or cavern-like designs, and there's something pretty cool about finding a book about something you had no idea existed, and then discovering it is only a buck.


That's why I think the physical presence of the book should only be basically a "demonstration model" and that a bar code, or some other thing be right with it to enable the ebook purchase at a competitive ebook rate right there (in lieu of going to a cash register)

I suppose the line is more blurry because some inventory would be needed for physical purchase...particularly with coffeetable / OMG Look what's on my bookshelf books, but the bulk of the "entertainment" reading would be expected to be ebook purchases...the final model would be an eclectic mix of things.
 
2013-02-25 01:03:27 PM  
I don't get B&N's strategy on DVDs.  I browse through their selection every time I'm there (which is typically once or twice a month) and, while they've usually got a great selection, everything they sell is at 100% MSRP.  Even when they put stuff 50% off, it still usually ends up being more expensive than Amazon.  I mean, is anybody really spending $80 for the first season of Doctor Who when they can get the same thing on Amazon for $25?  They can't be selling that many DVDs (or at least not enough to justify dedicating 15-20% of their floor space for them.
 
2013-02-25 01:05:24 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I think B&N needs to further focus on customer experience.


Yep. I think in order to survive they're going to have to get away from huge square footage brick and mortar stores and instead make smaller Starbucks sized coffee shops with a limited phyiscal book selection of high volume-in demand "best sellers" that churn quickly, free wifi, high profit margin coffee.   You offer discounts on nook e-items purchased in store  to get people in the door and lounging around drinking said over-priced coffee.
 
2013-02-25 01:06:35 PM  

rugman11: I don't get B&N's strategy on DVDs.  I browse through their selection every time I'm there (which is typically once or twice a month) and, while they've usually got a great selection, everything they sell is at 100% MSRP.  Even when they put stuff 50% off, it still usually ends up being more expensive than Amazon.  I mean, is anybody really spending $80 for the first season of Doctor Who when they can get the same thing on Amazon for $25?  They can't be selling that many DVDs (or at least not enough to justify dedicating 15-20% of their floor space for them.


I know, goodness, they had a season of Doc Martin for almost seventy dollars last I looked.  It streams for free on Amazon, and the DVDs of the show are something like $20 each.  Their CDs aren't that much better, and I rarely see anyone buying DVDs or CDs...actually, I can't remember the last time I saw a clerk in that section.
 
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