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(Talking Points Memo)   Karzai to US Special Forces: GET. OUT. NOW   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 87
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2013-02-25 09:44:32 AM  
16 votes:
I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.
2013-02-25 10:48:33 AM  
5 votes:
I wonder which of his drug operations they were disrupting, or potential payoffs he is lining up for....
2013-02-25 02:30:46 PM  
4 votes:
2013-02-25 01:28:18 PM  
4 votes:

Gunslinger013: Obama orders the assassination of an american citizen over seas a traitor who turned his back on America and went all Durka Durka Jihad and they just roll with it. In that regard I prefer the other guy who would have sold my job to the ChiComs right out from under my feet and then laughed in my face and called me a lazy moocher who wanted free goodies for being unemployed.


You're an idiot.
gja
2013-02-25 11:23:07 AM  
4 votes:
Fine. Let's pull out ALL of our resources. EVERY-FARKING-THING.
1 little warning to him:
"Keep your shiat inside your borders. The second it spills over onto someone else' land and they ask for help from us we will deliver such shiat as you have never seen."
2013-02-25 11:17:22 AM  
4 votes:

Rich Cream: The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.


Was well under-way when the Soviets were there and they've been the #1 producer of Opium since 1992, long before we ever showed up.

But clearly, facts mean nothing to you.
2013-02-25 10:07:13 AM  
4 votes:
Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!
2013-02-25 10:42:18 PM  
3 votes:

the money is in the banana stand: They don't have to have a system identical to ours, it just can't be a farked up one that is hell-bent on destroying and oppressing.


It's like you people don't even REMEMBER what the US did to Iran and has done to multiple other countries that elected pretty okay leaders who got in the way of the Divine Right of America(n businesses) to other people's stuff.

If America (and the UK) had have left Iran the fark alone instead overthrowing the democratically-elected government the entire Middle East would probably be a better place today.  That greedy, selfish, unnecessary action by America and the UK did worse damage to the last 60 years of history than any nuclear bomb could ever do.  Your government drafted convicted nazis (Zahedi, Shahrokh) to help overthrow a peaceful democratically elected government less than a decade after the end of WWII.  Just think about that next time you hear an American making a big deal about "saving the world from Nazis" and how we should all be so grateful.

So excuse me while I chuckle sadly at your naive belief that your country is happy to leave governments alone as long as they're not "hell-bent on destroying and oppressing".  Your country is rather very happy to support any number of vile oppressive dictatorships as long as they facilitate access to "stuff" they deem they have a right to. Saud, Pinochet, your buddy Saddam Hussein, Suharto, Noriega, Batista, Mubarak, Kamirov, Marcos.

What you wrote is pretty damn offensively wrong.  Quite a lot of people alive today are still suffering from the effects of your government's ongoing support for murderers and torturers.  What's sad is you probably actually believe what you wrote is true.
2013-02-25 02:16:16 PM  
3 votes:

Lando Lincoln: ha-ha-guy: I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.

Absolutely fine with me. I do not give a flying fark at this point. I feel bad for the Afghanis that want to live in a democratic society, but there's too many tribal savages in their land for that. I don't want another drop of blood spilled because of them. Let them fight each other for the kind of life that they want.


If they want a democratic society, they have to make their own. Democracy can't be imposed from without, because then it's not a democracy. And if the people don't want a democracy enough to fight for it on their own, they won't have one. If the only reason Afghanistan (or Iraq, or Congo, or wherever) is a "democracy" is because of the presence of foreign troops, then it isn't a democracy, it's a play-democracy, an act. It's a dictatorship pretending to be democratic at the point of a sword. You can't have a "fair election" when US troops have to enforce it any more than if the Ayatollahs have to bless it.

So if Afghanistan wants us out, and there's going to be a big civil war, and the Taliban takes over again--well, then that's what the Afghanis want, and are willing to accept, and the US will have to deal with the Taliban as their chosen government. And maybe if we DID, and stopped trying to say people have to have the kind of government WE like, they'd get along with us better.
2013-02-25 12:17:44 PM  
3 votes:
The funny thing is that the way Afghan history had been going the original Taliban were about due to be pushed out by other warlords anyway, who'd gone from fighting each other, to fighting each other and the Afghan government, to fighting each other and the Afghan government and their Soviet suzerains, to fighting each other and the Afghan government again, then back to fighting each other.

Two days before "9/11" a suicide bomber assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud, the Northern Alliance's main general, as they were preparing to attack the Talban anyway, and if y'all remember the USA had a small part in the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom, mainly sending in a few CIA and Special Forces goons to "advise" the "freedom fighters" while bombing known Taliban bases from the air. It wasn't until after the Northern Alliance took Kabul that the US troops flew in to take the country over from our "protegees" and imported a puppet in a funny hat.

If the US had let the Afghans themselves handle it there would probably have been a few more scene changes in Kabul and the civil war might have gone on a while longer, but then it has anyway. All the Imperial Troopers did was to keep our puppet in his palace while the rest of the country kept on pretty much as before -- with the added result that the Taliban became equated with resistance to the invaders to their continual benefit. The Taliban itself would probably have ceased to exist a few years ago anyway, or become subsumed in another grand alliance of then-current warlords against newer warlords with a slightly different brand of pseudo-Islamic ideology and slightly different economic and/or ethnic interests. It's been that way for centuries; that's the way they like it.

The only real way to bring peace in Aghanistan, short of killing everybody there, is to divide the country between the Pashtuns and everybody else: the former would probably merge with (or take over) Pakistan, while the ethnically Persian rest of the country would do best to join Tajikistan which would then become Iranian allies like our Iraqi shiate friends.
2013-02-25 11:22:13 AM  
3 votes:

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


Terribly hard since we're not there to invade. The problem with US foreign policy is it is self defeating. You don't occupy someone's land to bring them 'freedom'. You go there to either invade, steal something, rescue someone or you don't go in at all.

Bringing 'freedom' to a group of folks who in their own minds are free anyway is not a tangible and attenable military objective which is why it will ALWAYS be a mission failure in the long run.
2013-02-25 11:20:25 AM  
3 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!

Yes.
Opium.
It's always the opium.
All other headlines are misleading on purpose.


Opium is probably the reason why the puppet no longer feels the hand in his ass.
2013-02-25 11:12:52 AM  
3 votes:
t3.gstatic.com
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.
2013-02-25 10:52:52 AM  
3 votes:
It doesn't really matter. We either spend 20 years fighting the Taliban now or 20 years fighting the Taliban after they crush Karzai's little empire and start harboring anti-US terrorists again. Either way, we will be fighting the Taliban for a long time.
2013-02-25 10:52:21 AM  
3 votes:
Karzai makes the Vichy look like Churchill.
2013-02-25 10:49:46 AM  
3 votes:
Would LOVE to see full withdrawal from the region.
2013-02-25 10:49:44 AM  
3 votes:
So there is a point where you are so rich you can afford to bite the hand that feeds and protects you? Hope smiley has his escape pod ready. The warlords will eat him alive.
2013-02-25 10:49:36 AM  
3 votes:

Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!



The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.
2013-02-25 10:49:22 AM  
3 votes:
24.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-25 02:53:46 PM  
2 votes:
The Southern Dandy:

If we acted like the Good Guy, this shiat wouldn't happen.  Apparently, Rumsfeld burned all the copies of the Art of War at the Pentagon, and nobody has bothered to buy new ones.

MORAL Law.  When you lose it, you've lost the war.


Who won? The USA lost that one some time after WW1.
2013-02-25 02:30:06 PM  
2 votes:
indarwinsshadow:

Well, that and it's farking hard to rebuild your terrorist network and resupply the Taliban and Al-Qaeda when American drones and special forces keep blowing sh*t up and killing the leaders.

Then again there wouldn't be so many anti-American "Taliban" and "Al Qaeda" if the USA left those people the hell alone.

Here's one quick what-if: what do you think would happen if some bigger foreign power or alliance acted in America the way we did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Would you be thanking them for "liberating" you or would you be an "insurgent?"

9/11/01 was 12.5 years ago, and Afghans had zip to do with it anyway: the terrorists were SAUDIS.

Let it go man, it's over.
2013-02-25 12:54:37 PM  
2 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Remind me again why the fark we went there in the first place?


A terrorist network based in Afghanistan trained a number of Arabs to carry out successful attacks on the United States on Sept. 11th, 2001. The terrorist group, Al Queda, was a known and tolerated guest of the Taliban, which controlled the country at the time after a civil war that raged when the Soviets withdrew.

That's the Reader's Digest version.
2013-02-25 12:08:47 PM  
2 votes:
fark you, Karzai.


Maybe if you ran your country with a shred of dignity and the appearance of something other than graft-gorged puppet, our special forces wouldn't have to be there.

But when you put a gibbering, brutal desert-dwelling primitive in power, you can't expect them to act with sophistication and intelligence.  They only understand violence, domination and greed.  Oh, and violence against women; they have a penchant for that.
2013-02-25 11:23:08 AM  
2 votes:
Afghan = the people who life in Afghanistan.
Afghani = the money they use.

/Purchase a clue, people.
2013-02-25 11:22:15 AM  
2 votes:
Look, either murder the lot of them, or leave them alone. No more of this half assing.
2013-02-25 11:14:26 AM  
2 votes:

oldfarthenry: [t3.gstatic.com image 252x200]
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.


That movie had the most breathtaking muttonstaches ever filmed.
2013-02-25 11:00:48 AM  
2 votes:

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


24.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-25 11:00:39 AM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: We have to stay there, bombing, shooting, and oppressing them until they love us.


Just like my ex-girlfriend.
2013-02-25 10:59:46 AM  
2 votes:
not quite sure why there is a "WAR" going on there anyway.

Get out and blame this guy, unless you know you have a piece of an oil pipeline or international drug trade worth 10's of millions per day....
2013-02-25 10:58:19 AM  
2 votes:
Obama should use his time machine and send ODA 574 on a vacation.
2013-02-25 10:54:52 AM  
2 votes:

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Karzai assassinated in 3...2...1...



What are you droning on about now?
2013-02-25 10:30:04 AM  
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


This

/what are we accomplishing at this point besides making more money for KBR?
2013-02-25 08:14:23 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: Marine1: "as liberal of an electable politician" doesn't mean liberal

Obama isn't liberal? You're seeing a whole team of shrinks, aren't you?


When you're so far off to the right side of the scale, centrists seem liberal.

This country has not really seen a liberal progressive since FDR.
gja
2013-02-25 05:53:03 PM  
1 votes:

Tor_Eckman: [i.imgur.com image 500x352]

Damn you, Fartbama!  Why come you no fix the country that we invaded and then forgot about for a few years while we invaded a country that some guy told us had WMDs already?

Isn't your peace prize big enough???  Huuuuuuhhhhh?


You freaking people are hilarious.


I was pressed for time and didn't write my full retort, so here it is:

That comic is a gross, and massive oversimplification of an issue involving global macro socioeconomics.
It's is a capricious and glib, shallow view of what is the truth. But, the truth takes pages to explain, and patience coupled with the desire for critical thinking.
Not usually the watermark of those who seek to easily distill such matters in to soundbites or a few panes replete with catchphrases.
2013-02-25 05:27:09 PM  
1 votes:

Gunslinger013: /meet the new boss
/same as the old boss


Now with Indefinite Detention and Assassination Powers!
2013-02-25 03:03:42 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: gshepnyc:

/and I do not for a minute believe you were ever called "a baby killer." That's like UFO abductees always managing to describe their UFO encounters exactly the way one appeared in a movie they saw once.

I worked with a guy who claimed he was called baby-killer upon his return from Vietnam.  Later, I learned that he never went to Vietnam.


Apparently, we sent a half-million scared little girls to Vietnam, given all the "hippies spit on me when I got home" stories, coupled with the complete absence of "returning vet beats crap out of spitting hippy" tales...

Fun fact:  the only people caught on TV actually spitting on veterans in that era?

Young Republicans, spitting on antiwar veteran protestors.
2013-02-25 02:56:36 PM  
1 votes:

pciszek: randomjsa: I wonder which of his drug operations they were disrupting, or potential payoffs he is lining up for....

Or maybe it's because we are torturing the locals.  Just maybe.


We're also killing quite a number of them.

In a stark assessment of shootings of locals by US troops at checkpoints in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal said in little-noticed comments last month that during his time as commander there, "We've shot an amazing number of people and killed a number and, to my knowledge, none has proven to have been a real threat to the force."

In many cases, he added, families were in the vehicles that were fired on


Man, you'd have to be some kind of crazy raghead to get upset about that.

Then there is the part where we have a new version of Gitmo in Afghanistan that is much bigger than the one in Cuba ever was.

What occupied nation doesn't enjoy seeing it's people murdered or disappeared into political prisons without a trial by the invading force?
2013-02-25 02:39:32 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Gyrfalcon: Joe Blowme: Gyrfalcon: Lando Lincoln: ha-ha-guy: I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.

Absolutely fine with me. I do not give a flying fark at this point. I feel bad for the Afghanis that want to live in a democratic society, but there's too many tribal savages in their land for that. I don't want another drop of blood spilled because of them. Let them fight each other for the kind of life that they want.

If they want a democratic society, they have to make their own. Democracy can't be imposed from without, because then it's not a democracy. And if the people don't want a democracy enough to fight for it on their own, they won't have one. If the only reason Afghanistan (or Iraq, or Congo, or wherever) is a "democracy" is because of the presence of foreign troops, then it isn't a democracy, it's a play-democracy, an act. It's a dictatorship pretending to be democratic at the point of a sword. You can't have a "fair election" when US troops have to enforce it any more than if the Ayatollahs have to bless it.

So if Afghanistan wants us out, and there's going to be a big civil war, and the Taliban takes over again--well, then that's what the Afghanis want, and are willing to accept, and the US will have to deal with the Taliban as their chosen government. And maybe if we DID, and stopped trying to say people have to have the kind of government WE like, they'd get along with us better.

Tolerance of evil is a crime.
Deal with the Talibal with 2000lb JDAM, no need for boots on the ground

Who gets to define evil?

Seriously? Stoning people not evil to you? Hanging people for being gay not evil to you? Treating women like property not evil to you?
/i hope you are just playing devils advocate and are not really just a retarded cultural relativist


Why do you hate the Old Testament?
2013-02-25 02:24:34 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Gyrfalcon: Lando Lincoln: ha-ha-guy: I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.

Absolutely fine with me. I do not give a flying fark at this point. I feel bad for the Afghanis that want to live in a democratic society, but there's too many tribal savages in their land for that. I don't want another drop of blood spilled because of them. Let them fight each other for the kind of life that they want.

If they want a democratic society, they have to make their own. Democracy can't be imposed from without, because then it's not a democracy. And if the people don't want a democracy enough to fight for it on their own, they won't have one. If the only reason Afghanistan (or Iraq, or Congo, or wherever) is a "democracy" is because of the presence of foreign troops, then it isn't a democracy, it's a play-democracy, an act. It's a dictatorship pretending to be democratic at the point of a sword. You can't have a "fair election" when US troops have to enforce it any more than if the Ayatollahs have to bless it.

So if Afghanistan wants us out, and there's going to be a big civil war, and the Taliban takes over again--well, then that's what the Afghanis want, and are willing to accept, and the US will have to deal with the Taliban as their chosen government. And maybe if we DID, and stopped trying to say people have to have the kind of government WE like, they'd get along with us better.

Tolerance of evil is a crime.
Deal with the Talibal with 2000lb JDAM, no need for boots on the ground


Who gets to define evil?
2013-02-25 01:18:38 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Marine1: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Remind me again why the fark we went there in the first place?

A terrorist network based in Afghanistan trained a number of Arabs to carry out successful attacks on the United States on Sept. 11th, 2001. The terrorist group, Al Queda, was a known and tolerated guest of the Taliban, which controlled the country at the time after a civil war that raged when the Soviets withdrew.

That's the Reader's Digest version.

Oh, well that certainly seems worth 2000+ dead, 50K injured American kids and a trillion dollars.

It's not as if we could have just bombed the shiat out of those training camps from the air.


We did that in, what, 1998? That sure didn't do anything about 9-11.

I don't like all of those figures any more than you do. It's a shiat deal. However, the alternative is allowing the Taliban to dispose of Karzai's government. They've used Afghanistan as a "house for rent" for terrorist organizations before; they'll probably (read: definitely) do it again. I mean... these are the same assholes who consider it acceptable for grown men to shoot a teenage girl in the head because she aspired to go to school. Let them run that place? Fark no. Not after the effort given so far.
2013-02-25 01:16:20 PM  
1 votes:

Rich Cream: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!



The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.


Wrong.
2013-02-25 01:12:11 PM  
1 votes:
It was inevitable that we'd leave (eventually).
It was inevitable that the "democratic" government will collapse into one corresponding more closely with the neolithic, tribal culture that is supported by the majority of Afghans.

Our goals there (and in Iraq) should have been simply to make an impression ("Don't fark with us"), break some crockery and make life expectancy arrangements for some fraction of the higher-ups, and then GTFO and let them sort themselves out however they wanted.  Most importantly, the local denizens should have been told in no uncertain terms to behave themselves until we GTFO, rather than getting hopped-up notions that they were running things.

Unfortunately, Bush got himself convinced (Rice, Powell -- I'm lookin' at you) that there was value in nation building and being their best friends.
2013-02-25 01:11:48 PM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: jdmac: Rich Cream: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!


The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.

Yeah, leaving a theocratic government practicing dictatorial control over the populace can be effective in slowing down the drug trade however that same government has the power to not allow women to read, or gays to live. Oh yeah, and that whole 9/11 thing happened as well and almost everyone got on board with going after them, but I am sure we should have just left them alone.

That being said, it is kind of funny how off-the-radar the Afghanistan war is in the media. During the Bush administration, networks like CNN ran a counter on the screen to constantly remind us how many troops have died. Since Obama has been elected I have not seen that counter once. More Americans have died in Afghanistan since Obama took office than during Bush's entire term. But Bush is a warmonger, and Obama has a Peace Prize. Go figure.

They are too busy admiring what moochel is wearing and to what event her fat ass is crashing to bother bout the wars.

/true watch dog journalism is dead


THIS.
2013-02-25 01:01:44 PM  
1 votes:

Rich Cream: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!


The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.


Yeah, leaving a theocratic government practicing dictatorial control over the populace can be effective in slowing down the drug trade however that same government has the power to not allow women to read, or gays to live. Oh yeah, and that whole 9/11 thing happened as well and almost everyone got on board with going after them, but I am sure we should have just left them alone.

That being said, it is kind of funny how off-the-radar the Afghanistan war is in the media. During the Bush administration, networks like CNN ran a counter on the screen to constantly remind us how many troops have died. Since Obama has been elected I have not seen that counter once. More Americans have died in Afghanistan since Obama took office than during Bush's entire term. But Bush is a warmonger, and Obama has a Peace Prize. Go figure.
2013-02-25 01:00:34 PM  
1 votes:

StrikitRich: Afghanistan's president ordered all U.S. special forces to leave a strategically important eastern province within two weeks because of allegations that Afghans working with them are torturing and abusing other Afghans.

So we're getting thrown out because the Afghans were torturing their own people?

If Karzai has to play silly-arsed games like this to protect his power, what have we actually accomplished after expending all this time and money......and don't give any of that WE GOTS BIN LADEN blather.


I don't think it's blather in the first place.... Bin Laden and the original hierarchy was more competent than the current batch.  For all our jokes about "Can't stop getting #2!", it's not like there's the next incarnation of Saladin in the current batch of AQ Leadership, despite the assertion that "Killing Terrorists only makes MOAR Terrorists" that has been bandied about over the past few years.

Of course, to be fair, Bin Laden was closer to a cross between Saddam Hussein and Genghis Khan -- the military competence of Saddam mixed with the utter disregard for life of Genghis.  They've not had a brilliant strategic or tactical mind in the Muslim world since...?  And I'd propose that our efforts have made it less likely they'll find one, not more.
2013-02-25 12:58:58 PM  
1 votes:

gja: Marine1: Muta: SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home

We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?

They can. We won't let them.

If the US wanted to, we could make war so terrible that the Afghans would get sick of it. We did it with the Confederates, we did it with the Germans, and we could do it here. It's just not pretty to do so.

There is nothing pretty, attractive, or fun about war. War is the worst thing that man does so well. Sadly.


Indeed.

The sad irony is that the cleaner you try to make it, the worse and longer it gets.
2013-02-25 12:51:41 PM  
1 votes:

Muta: SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home

We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?


They can. We won't let them.

If the US wanted to, we could make war so terrible that the Afghans would get sick of it. We did it with the Confederates, we did it with the Germans, and we could do it here. It's just not pretty to do so.
2013-02-25 12:51:30 PM  
1 votes:
AWESOME. Bye!

/Seriously, if the US-led Afghan troops are misbehaving, I am entirely willing to believe Karsai wants to kick their ass--it would be perfect political capital for him, since everyone hates us, and it might lead to him  actually getting a decent military that doesn't commit crimes on its own people.
//Plus, we do not belong there. At all.
2013-02-25 12:43:02 PM  
1 votes:
Since the life of one American is worth more than that entire shiat country, we should be happy to oblige.
2013-02-25 12:41:21 PM  
1 votes:

SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home


We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?
2013-02-25 12:41:05 PM  
1 votes:
Mr. Karzai:

If your people would stop using death as a way to deal with each and every minute disagreement in political and daily life, we wouldn't have to be there.

Thanks,

Americans and the West in general
2013-02-25 12:37:42 PM  
1 votes:

oldfarthenry: [t3.gstatic.com image 252x200]
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.


I remember my Dad, who was from London UK using the word KHARZI for a LATRINE
It seems so appropriate here.

From: http://www.toiletinspector.com/index.asp?pgid=166

Khazi

Lexicographer Eric Partridge derives khazi, also spelt karzy, kharsie or carzey, from a low Cockney word carsey originating in the late 19th century and meaning a privvy. Carsey also referred to a den or brothel. It is presumably derived from the Italian casa for house, with the spelling influenced by similar sound to khaki. Khazi is now most commonly used in the city of Liverpool in the UK, away from its cockney slang roots.
2013-02-25 12:32:35 PM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


Or hope the russians don't give them surface to air missles
2013-02-25 12:31:28 PM  
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: boobsrgood: Congratulations, America. You accomplished nothing, and it cost you your nation's wealth.

I think we're going to be OK. Thanks for your concern though.


When exactly are we going to be 'OK'? At the moment the government is busy wiping it's collective a$$ with the constitution / our civil liberties in the name of this asinine War on Terror (TM) with no signs of stopping. Not to mention the asinine War on Drugs (TM). Maybe you and I have vastly differing definitions of 'OK'.
2013-02-25 12:31:08 PM  
1 votes:

oldfarthenry: [t3.gstatic.com image 252x200]
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.


Nope! The British were in Afghanistan in 1878! They invaded three times. The first two times they had political goals that were never realized because the Afghanis are batshiat insane. The third time, in 1919, they just bombed the shiat out of them to keep them on their side of the NW Frontier.
2013-02-25 12:29:35 PM  
1 votes:

The One True TheDavid: If the US had let the Afghans themselves handle it there would probably have been a few more scene changes in Kabul and the civil war might have gone on a while longer, but then it has anyway.


We should have gone in hard on Tora Bora and other mountain areas, and left it at that.  As it was the Northern Alliance was contracted to handle some of the security for that area and rumor has it they let people bribe their way through and head to Pakistan.  Supposedly Bush didn't want lots of American troops up there because the mountains would limit our mobility and lead to higher KIAs due to the nature of the warfare (the Soviets always had problems in that region).

I was old and retired from the Marines by 9/11, but i can't imagine my unit would have been sitting around and going "Waaa, we have no mountain training, we're strictly a littoral warfare outfit, waaaa our trucks don't work up here."  It likely would have been "Get the flamethrowers, the white willy p, and fark the Geneva Conventions, we're BBQ a cave full of Taliban."
2013-02-25 12:24:20 PM  
1 votes:

boobsrgood: Congratulations, America. You accomplished nothing, and it cost you your nation's wealth.



I wouldn't go THAT far. In fact, we've probably accomplished quite a bit. Deposed the Taliban, installed a representative government, made the region less hospitable to Al Quaeda, avenged the 9/11 attacks, killed the mastermind of 9/11, provided a lot of training and equipment to the fledgling representative government, honed modern warfighting techniques, deployed and tested new weapons systems, rewrote the manual on counterinsurgency, had many of our best engage a foreign populace culturally (I know someone will snark on this one - but not all of it was bad. Most of it has probably been good, but doesn't grab headlines and will mostly pay dividends many years from now) during one of the longest occupations in our history, developed new technologies and honed our techniques for dealing with explosives being used against us, etc. etc....

There are down sides too, but I just don't think it's right to say we've accomplished nothing.

That said? Yeah... It's long past time for us to be getting the fark out. Considering how long and expensive this occupation has been we should have accomplished much more, IMHO. We had the right idea going in, but botched the execution in key ways that have been farking us ever since.
2013-02-25 12:06:25 PM  
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


Yeah, time to getthepharkout.

It's going to turn into a bigger shiathole after we leave. But the world is full of shiatholes, and we can't fix those either.
2013-02-25 12:00:04 PM  
1 votes:
Afghanistan's president ordered all U.S. special forces to leave a strategically important eastern province within two weeks because of allegations that Afghans working with them are torturing and abusing other Afghans.

So we're getting thrown out because the Afghans were torturing their own people?

If Karzai has to play silly-arsed games like this to protect his power, what have we actually accomplished after expending all this time and money......and don't give any of that WE GOTS BIN LADEN blather.
2013-02-25 11:59:20 AM  
1 votes:

hdhale: Rapmaster2000: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!

Ok, bad Stallone impersonations aside...

Getting called "baby killer" by a group of semi-homosexual frat boys who wouldn't know how to survive in the woods more than a couple of hours and who think it might be cool one day to go shoot a gun (OMG!)..."you know...at one of those places that lets you rent one and burn a couple of clips on *full auto*, wouldn't that be cool!" is not a good afternoon.

I had to resist putting more than one of them through a plate glass window more than once...

Anyway, stupid motherfarker is getting cocky and thinks he actually has the nuts to keep the Taliban at bay.  Fine.  Have at it.  Just make sure our people are out of harm's way and don't beg for air support later.



Thank you for your service, but fark you. You're an asshole.

/and I do not for a minute believe you were ever called "a baby killer." That's like UFO abductees always managing to describe their UFO encounters exactly the way one appeared in a movie they saw once.
2013-02-25 11:57:17 AM  
1 votes:

Rich Cream: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.

Peace With Honor is here!


The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.


i0.kym-cdn.com
2013-02-25 11:54:02 AM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

THIS, fark them ungratefull SOB's. Stoneage savages.


Seriously! The nerve of those people to not appreciate all those bombs and predator drones we sent them...
2013-02-25 11:50:08 AM  
1 votes:
Meh, ok, good luck.

/charity begins at home, spend the money here instead.
2013-02-25 11:47:04 AM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: HotIgneous Intruder: Afghan = the people who life in Afghanistan.
Afghani = the money they use.

/Purchase a clue, people.

The American Heritage Dictionary disagrees with you. Afghani is one of the demonyms.


He's right. The point is the people call themselves Afghans and their currency Afghanis. If you call somebody an Afghani, to them it would sound like somebody calling you a dollar. And then opening up their own dictionary and saying "But it says right here that you are a dollar!"
2013-02-25 11:43:56 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


If Karzai thinks the Chinese are going to be better partners after the US leaves, ohhhhhhhhBOY is he gonna get an education!
2013-02-25 11:42:50 AM  
1 votes:

NullReferenceException: MyToeHurts: Good. Fire up the C-5s, collect everything of reusable value, bulldoze the rest into big piles and then light it all up as the last plane gets airborne. Drop leaflets saying "Goodbye you Fin messed up people. Don't call us, we'll call you"

No, we're talking about Afghanistan, not Finland.


Presumably "F'in" as in "farking".

Anyways, instinct reaction is to fark off and let 'em build their heroin plantations, but there are concerns.

Pakistan for one.  Pakistan has nuclear weapons and is basically 2 or 3 bad days from losing their capital city to fanatic rebels.
2013-02-25 11:35:10 AM  
1 votes:

MyToeHurts: Good. Fire up the C-5s, collect everything of reusable value, bulldoze the rest into big piles and then light it all up as the last plane gets airborne. Drop leaflets saying "Goodbye you Fin messed up people. Don't call us, we'll call you"


No, we're talking about Afghanistan, not Finland.
2013-02-25 11:29:10 AM  
1 votes:
In a related story, Karzai just bought several cats especially conditioned to make a fuss when they see a red 'laser pointer' dot.....
2013-02-25 11:29:09 AM  
1 votes:
Good. Fire up the C-5s, collect everything of reusable value, bulldoze the rest into big piles and then light it all up as the last plane gets airborne. Drop leaflets saying "Goodbye you Fin messed up people. Don't call us, we'll call you"
2013-02-25 11:22:27 AM  
1 votes:

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Karzai assassinated in 3...2...1...


Nah, he acts up every so often, until he gets his bribe money.  This is hardly the first time.
2013-02-25 11:21:35 AM  
1 votes:

cgraves67: It doesn't really matter. We either spend 20 years fighting the Taliban now or 20 years fighting the Taliban after they crush Karzai's little empire and start harboring anti-US terrorists again. Either way, we will be fighting the Taliban for a long time.


Why bother fighting them at all? They are a small group of borderline cave people on the other side of the earth. They are a problem for Pakistan, the Afghani people and a pain in the ass for a few countries around Afghanistan, let them deal with it.
2013-02-25 11:20:19 AM  
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

America could have totally destroyed Communism if Truman had the balls to let MacArthur cross the 38th parallel and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China.   We had a second chance in Vietnam, but noooooo!  You libs had to go and ruin that for us too.

It's no different now, except that the Communists have been replaced my Islamofascist Jihadis.

And now you want our brave American fighting heterosexual men to cut and run, abandoning the field to our archenemies, who will not rest until every last American man, woman, and child is dead, converted to Islam, or gay married.

You swore you wouldn't forget 9-11.  Well, you did.

Don't blame me when the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud over America's heartland.  We warned you.


guycodeblog.mtv.com
2013-02-25 11:18:14 AM  
1 votes:

Parthenogenetic: Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

America could have totally destroyed Communism if Truman had the balls to let MacArthur cross the 38th parallel and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China.   We had a second chance in Vietnam, but noooooo!  You libs had to go and ruin that for us too.

It's no different now, except that the Communists have been replaced my Islamofascist Jihadis.

And now you want our brave American fighting heterosexual men to cut and run, abandoning the field to our archenemies, who will not rest until every last American man, woman, and child is dead, converted to Islam, or gay married.

You swore you wouldn't forget 9-11.  Well, you did.

Don't blame me when the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud over America's heartland.  We warned you.


A single tear rolls down my face........
2013-02-25 11:14:02 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


America could have totally destroyed Communism if Truman had the balls to let MacArthur cross the 38th parallel and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China.   We had a second chance in Vietnam, but noooooo!  You libs had to go and ruin that for us too.

It's no different now, except that the Communists have been replaced my Islamofascist Jihadis.

And now you want our brave American fighting heterosexual men to cut and run, abandoning the field to our archenemies, who will not rest until every last American man, woman, and child is dead, converted to Islam, or gay married.

You swore you wouldn't forget 9-11.  Well, you did.

Don't blame me when the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud over America's heartland.  We warned you.
2013-02-25 11:13:41 AM  
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.


Absolutely fine with me. I do not give a flying fark at this point. I feel bad for the Afghanis that want to live in a democratic society, but there's too many tribal savages in their land for that. I don't want another drop of blood spilled because of them. Let them fight each other for the kind of life that they want.
2013-02-25 11:13:33 AM  
1 votes:
Get to the choppa?
2013-02-25 11:08:04 AM  
1 votes:
Alright, let's leave.   Let them have their shiat hole to continue killing each other in peace.  We've proven we don't care about borders anymore, next terrorist attack, we don't have to invade, just violate airspace, bomb the shiat out of the guilty party and fly back out.
2013-02-25 11:05:53 AM  
1 votes:

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Karzai to US Special Forces: GET.OUT.NOW.

US Special Forces to Karzai: FIND.US.


Guess who's hosting the Hide and Seek World Championship again.
2013-02-25 11:04:15 AM  
1 votes:

spentshells: not quite sure why there is a "WAR" going on there anyway.


More like geopolitical maintenance.  We don't have the political will to commit (never did, not even on 9/12/2001), but we have special interests that won't let us forget the place entirely either.
2013-02-25 11:02:26 AM  
1 votes:
Karzai to US Special Forces: GET.OUT.NOW.

US Special Forces to Karzai: FIND.US.
2013-02-25 10:56:34 AM  
1 votes:

cgraves67: It doesn't really matter. We either spend 20 years fighting the Taliban now or 20 years fighting the Taliban after they crush Karzai's little empire and start harboring anti-US terrorists again. Either way, we will be fighting the Taliban for a long time.


Yeah, but if Karzai can tie them down for 20 years, we can have Terminators up and running by then.  Fighting them in 20 years will be punching some buttons on a computer and stepping out for an early lunch.
2013-02-25 10:53:44 AM  
1 votes:
What, don't you try to get everyone out of your place before your dealer shows up?
2013-02-25 10:53:22 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!


Ok, bad Stallone impersonations aside...

Getting called "baby killer" by a group of semi-homosexual frat boys who wouldn't know how to survive in the woods more than a couple of hours and who think it might be cool one day to go shoot a gun (OMG!)..."you know...at one of those places that lets you rent one and burn a couple of clips on *full auto*, wouldn't that be cool!" is not a good afternoon.

I had to resist putting more than one of them through a plate glass window more than once...

Anyway, stupid motherfarker is getting cocky and thinks he actually has the nuts to keep the Taliban at bay.  Fine.  Have at it.  Just make sure our people are out of harm's way and don't beg for air support later.
2013-02-25 10:49:52 AM  
1 votes:
I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.
2013-02-25 10:49:51 AM  
1 votes:

Rapmaster2000: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!


www.crankycritic.com

"I'd like to summarize my feelings in the words of the titular character of Sylvester Stallone's epic movie, Rambo..."
2013-02-25 10:49:28 AM  
1 votes:
Karzai assassinated in 3...2...1...
2013-02-25 10:30:55 AM  
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!
 
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