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(Talking Points Memo)   Karzai to US Special Forces: GET. OUT. NOW   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 326
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2013-02-25 12:02:14 PM  

gshepnyc: and I do not for a minute believe you were ever called "a baby killer." That's like UFO abductees always managing to describe their UFO encounters exactly the way one appeared in a movie they saw once.


Here is the problem with your hypothesis:  The people yelling dumb shiat to seem edgy use the same old material
 
2013-02-25 12:02:50 PM  

gshepnyc: hdhale: Rapmaster2000: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!

Ok, bad Stallone impersonations aside...

Getting called "baby killer" by a group of semi-homosexual frat boys who wouldn't know how to survive in the woods more than a couple of hours and who think it might be cool one day to go shoot a gun (OMG!)..."you know...at one of those places that lets you rent one and burn a couple of clips on *full auto*, wouldn't that be cool!" is not a good afternoon.

I had to resist putting more than one of them through a plate glass window more than once...

Anyway, stupid motherfarker is getting cocky and thinks he actually has the nuts to keep the Taliban at bay.  Fine.  Have at it.  Just make sure our people are out of harm's way and don't beg for air support later.


Thank you for your service, but fark you. You're an asshole.

/and I do not for a minute believe you were ever called "a baby killer." That's like UFO abductees always managing to describe their UFO encounters exactly the way one appeared in a movie they saw once.



Ahem.  That was a tirade voiced at the end of the movie "Rambo" when the hero sufferes a breakdown.

Get it together.
 
2013-02-25 12:05:09 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


No real way we can't oblige him. Not like we aren't operatively his guests there.
 
2013-02-25 12:06:25 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


Yeah, time to getthepharkout.

It's going to turn into a bigger shiathole after we leave. But the world is full of shiatholes, and we can't fix those either.
 
2013-02-25 12:07:29 PM  

MonoChango: Boy oh Boy, Obama's smart diplomacy has really been a big success.   Can anyone else remember how everyone on TV was saying that the "Muslim World" would love us because Obama wasn't EvilBushMcHitler.  Ha ha jokes on us for thinking that he wasn't totally incompetent.   As much as it pains me to say this but Palin probably could have put together a better foreign policy.


While the media is in love with OBOMBa for some reason, in practice his foreign policy is pretty much the same as that of Bush. We're bombing the same people, we're trading with the same people. Tangibly what has changed?
 
2013-02-25 12:08:27 PM  

Glendale: Who the hell cares? Leave already.


Now come on - there's no money in that..
 
2013-02-25 12:08:27 PM  

boobsrgood: Congratulations, America. You accomplished nothing, and it cost you your nation's wealth.


I think we're going to be OK. Thanks for your concern though.
 
2013-02-25 12:08:47 PM  
fark you, Karzai.


Maybe if you ran your country with a shred of dignity and the appearance of something other than graft-gorged puppet, our special forces wouldn't have to be there.

But when you put a gibbering, brutal desert-dwelling primitive in power, you can't expect them to act with sophistication and intelligence.  They only understand violence, domination and greed.  Oh, and violence against women; they have a penchant for that.
 
2013-02-25 12:10:34 PM  
You'll be dining with the captain. And he requests you wear this.
Elizabeth: Well you may tell the captain that I am disinclined to acquiesce to his request.
Pintel: He said you'd say that. He also said that if that be the case, then you'll be dining with the crew. And you'll be naked.
[looks at him in disgust and hastily grabs dress]
Pintel: Fine.

/came here for this
//didn't see it yet
 
2013-02-25 12:10:44 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.


Yep. Phuq 'em. Let the taliban clear Kabul out, then go back in, start in the south, and just pull a General Sherman on the place.
 
2013-02-25 12:10:44 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I've always wondered if this is the way to withdraw and let Karzai get street credit.  Look he kicked us out, he's not some American puppet.  Just ignore that plan we had in place about leaving the region by 2014.


Wow.
(First part) Stole the words right out of my mouth.
The more I think about this, the more it makes sense, because now it will be the Afghani government that will be signing the contracts, not the army, so less scrutiny.
Those contractors will then need to be secured, so you (i mean they) bring Halliburton or Xiat, or whatever they are called now.

/if the pipeline goes through the mountains, there is NO way you can secure it
//have a lot of patches on hand
///slashed pipes
 
2013-02-25 12:15:12 PM  

airsupport: fark you, Karzai.


Maybe if you ran your country with a shred of dignity and the appearance of something other than graft-gorged puppet, our special forces wouldn't have to be there.

But when you put a gibbering, brutal desert-dwelling primitive in power, you can't expect them to act with sophistication and intelligence.  They only understand violence, domination and greed.  Oh, and violence against women; they have a penchant for that.


That's a great point. It sure would be nice if we could stop doing it.
 
2013-02-25 12:16:45 PM  
Couldn't happen soon enough, Mr. Karzai. Hope you enjoy all those bribes and kickbacks you and your family have been taking from both sides of the conflict.

If we've left any American dead behind, please send forward them to the following address:

Arlington National Cemetery
1 Memorial Drive
Arlington, VA 22202

And please don't smuggle any opium in with the corpses. Thanks, asshole.
 
2013-02-25 12:17:44 PM  
The funny thing is that the way Afghan history had been going the original Taliban were about due to be pushed out by other warlords anyway, who'd gone from fighting each other, to fighting each other and the Afghan government, to fighting each other and the Afghan government and their Soviet suzerains, to fighting each other and the Afghan government again, then back to fighting each other.

Two days before "9/11" a suicide bomber assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud, the Northern Alliance's main general, as they were preparing to attack the Talban anyway, and if y'all remember the USA had a small part in the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom, mainly sending in a few CIA and Special Forces goons to "advise" the "freedom fighters" while bombing known Taliban bases from the air. It wasn't until after the Northern Alliance took Kabul that the US troops flew in to take the country over from our "protegees" and imported a puppet in a funny hat.

If the US had let the Afghans themselves handle it there would probably have been a few more scene changes in Kabul and the civil war might have gone on a while longer, but then it has anyway. All the Imperial Troopers did was to keep our puppet in his palace while the rest of the country kept on pretty much as before -- with the added result that the Taliban became equated with resistance to the invaders to their continual benefit. The Taliban itself would probably have ceased to exist a few years ago anyway, or become subsumed in another grand alliance of then-current warlords against newer warlords with a slightly different brand of pseudo-Islamic ideology and slightly different economic and/or ethnic interests. It's been that way for centuries; that's the way they like it.

The only real way to bring peace in Aghanistan, short of killing everybody there, is to divide the country between the Pashtuns and everybody else: the former would probably merge with (or take over) Pakistan, while the ethnically Persian rest of the country would do best to join Tajikistan which would then become Iranian allies like our Iraqi shiate friends.
 
2013-02-25 12:18:53 PM  
Well, that and it's farking hard to rebuild your terrorist network and resupply the Taliban and Al-Qaeda when American drones and special forces keep blowing sh*t up and killing the leaders.

Maybe it's just the mood I'm in today, but if America was going to drop a nuke it should have been on the terrorist camps on the Pakistan/Afghan border back just after 9/11. It would have been justified.
 
2013-02-25 12:21:47 PM  

Resident Muslim: Wow.
(First part) Stole the words right out of my mouth.
The more I think about this, the more it makes sense, because now it will be the Afghani government that will be signing the contracts, not the army, so less scrutiny.


Well I figure we always make fun of Iran for their god awful internal PR, this could just be the Afghani version of that.  Plus I note that all the withdraws are typically a second term thing.  Bush signed most of the paperwork in his second term, now Obama can give zero farks about any backlash over his Afghan policy since he is done.

The Afghan Army can be the center of Afghan nation building and the proud force that handles all security for the country, no dirty foreigner needed, and some other dirty money department can be on the phone with the CIA about calling in drone strikes.
 
2013-02-25 12:22:39 PM  
Therion: "Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now."

Nah, he's just going to pay the warlords and Talibani protection money, out of the piles of cash the Chinese are giving him.
The drug thing is a footnote.  Poppies ain't got shiat on mineral rights.
 
2013-02-25 12:23:59 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

This

/what are we accomplishing at this point besides making more money for KBR?


Keeping the Taliban from taking over and providing another safe haven for terrorists?
 
2013-02-25 12:24:07 PM  
ha-ha-guy:

Plus I note that all the withdraws are typically a second term thing.  Bush signed most of the paperwork in his second term, now Obama can give zero farks about any backlash over his Afghan policy since he is done.

Nixon did the same thing in Vietnam.
 
2013-02-25 12:24:20 PM  

boobsrgood: Congratulations, America. You accomplished nothing, and it cost you your nation's wealth.



I wouldn't go THAT far. In fact, we've probably accomplished quite a bit. Deposed the Taliban, installed a representative government, made the region less hospitable to Al Quaeda, avenged the 9/11 attacks, killed the mastermind of 9/11, provided a lot of training and equipment to the fledgling representative government, honed modern warfighting techniques, deployed and tested new weapons systems, rewrote the manual on counterinsurgency, had many of our best engage a foreign populace culturally (I know someone will snark on this one - but not all of it was bad. Most of it has probably been good, but doesn't grab headlines and will mostly pay dividends many years from now) during one of the longest occupations in our history, developed new technologies and honed our techniques for dealing with explosives being used against us, etc. etc....

There are down sides too, but I just don't think it's right to say we've accomplished nothing.

That said? Yeah... It's long past time for us to be getting the fark out. Considering how long and expensive this occupation has been we should have accomplished much more, IMHO. We had the right idea going in, but botched the execution in key ways that have been farking us ever since.
 
2013-02-25 12:24:52 PM  

Gunslinger013: MonoChango: Boy oh Boy, Obama's smart diplomacy has really been a big success.   Can anyone else remember how everyone on TV was saying that the "Muslim World" would love us because Obama wasn't EvilBushMcHitler.  Ha ha jokes on us for thinking that he wasn't totally incompetent.   As much as it pains me to say this but Palin probably could have put together a better foreign policy.

While the media is in love with OBOMBa for some reason, in practice his foreign policy is pretty much the same as that of Bush. We're bombing the same people, we're trading with the same people. Tangibly what has changed?


And this is why people are not singing his praise in then same tune and the first election. He is still a whole lot better than that other guy that hated 47% of Americans including it's vets and seniors.
 
2013-02-25 12:29:35 PM  

The One True TheDavid: If the US had let the Afghans themselves handle it there would probably have been a few more scene changes in Kabul and the civil war might have gone on a while longer, but then it has anyway.


We should have gone in hard on Tora Bora and other mountain areas, and left it at that.  As it was the Northern Alliance was contracted to handle some of the security for that area and rumor has it they let people bribe their way through and head to Pakistan.  Supposedly Bush didn't want lots of American troops up there because the mountains would limit our mobility and lead to higher KIAs due to the nature of the warfare (the Soviets always had problems in that region).

I was old and retired from the Marines by 9/11, but i can't imagine my unit would have been sitting around and going "Waaa, we have no mountain training, we're strictly a littoral warfare outfit, waaaa our trucks don't work up here."  It likely would have been "Get the flamethrowers, the white willy p, and fark the Geneva Conventions, we're BBQ a cave full of Taliban."
 
2013-02-25 12:31:08 PM  

oldfarthenry: [t3.gstatic.com image 252x200]
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.


Nope! The British were in Afghanistan in 1878! They invaded three times. The first two times they had political goals that were never realized because the Afghanis are batshiat insane. The third time, in 1919, they just bombed the shiat out of them to keep them on their side of the NW Frontier.
 
2013-02-25 12:31:28 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: boobsrgood: Congratulations, America. You accomplished nothing, and it cost you your nation's wealth.

I think we're going to be OK. Thanks for your concern though.


When exactly are we going to be 'OK'? At the moment the government is busy wiping it's collective a$$ with the constitution / our civil liberties in the name of this asinine War on Terror (TM) with no signs of stopping. Not to mention the asinine War on Drugs (TM). Maybe you and I have vastly differing definitions of 'OK'.
 
2013-02-25 12:32:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?


Or hope the russians don't give them surface to air missles
 
2013-02-25 12:33:08 PM  

The One True TheDavid: The funny thing is that the way Afghan history had been going the original Taliban were about due to be pushed out by other warlords anyway, who'd gone from fighting each other, to fighting each other and the Afghan government, to fighting each other and the Afghan government and their Soviet suzerains, to fighting each other and the Afghan government again, then back to fighting each other.

Two days before "9/11" a suicide bomber assassinated Ahmad Shah Massoud, the Northern Alliance's main general, as they were preparing to attack the Talban anyway, and if y'all remember the USA had a small part in the beginning of Operation Enduring Freedom, mainly sending in a few CIA and Special Forces goons to "advise" the "freedom fighters" while bombing known Taliban bases from the air. It wasn't until after the Northern Alliance took Kabul that the US troops flew in to take the country over from our "protegees" and imported a puppet in a funny hat.

If the US had let the Afghans themselves handle it there would probably have been a few more scene changes in Kabul and the civil war might have gone on a while longer, but then it has anyway. All the Imperial Troopers did was to keep our puppet in his palace while the rest of the country kept on pretty much as before -- with the added result that the Taliban became equated with resistance to the invaders to their continual benefit. The Taliban itself would probably have ceased to exist a few years ago anyway, or become subsumed in another grand alliance of then-current warlords against newer warlords with a slightly different brand of pseudo-Islamic ideology and slightly different economic and/or ethnic interests. It's been that way for centuries; that's the way they like it.

The only real way to bring peace in Aghanistan, short of killing everybody there, is to divide the country between the Pashtuns and everybody else: the former would probably merge with (or take over) Pakistan, while the ethnically Persian rest of the cou ...


Wow!, could've said that shiat is shorter words, but it all comes down to, "we're here", you're welcome.
 
2013-02-25 12:35:28 PM  
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2013-02-25 12:35:36 PM  

bilk2455: We are leaving...

Funny but with music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ywt9a3lEQ


I like the one where they're waterboarding that feller. Waterboarding isn't so bad when professionals are doing it.
 
2013-02-25 12:37:42 PM  

oldfarthenry: [t3.gstatic.com image 252x200]
"Detriments you call us? Detriments? Well I want to remind you that it was detriments like us that built this bloody Empire AND the Izzat of the bloody Raj. Hats on."

Oops - wrong time period/empire/nation/etc.


I remember my Dad, who was from London UK using the word KHARZI for a LATRINE
It seems so appropriate here.

From: http://www.toiletinspector.com/index.asp?pgid=166

Khazi

Lexicographer Eric Partridge derives khazi, also spelt karzy, kharsie or carzey, from a low Cockney word carsey originating in the late 19th century and meaning a privvy. Carsey also referred to a den or brothel. It is presumably derived from the Italian casa for house, with the spelling influenced by similar sound to khaki. Khazi is now most commonly used in the city of Liverpool in the UK, away from its cockney slang roots.
 
2013-02-25 12:38:42 PM  

Rich Cream: Therion: Ok everybody, get on the plane. Karzai's going to prop up his drug empire with Afghani troops now.
Peace With Honor is here!

The "drug empire" was non-existent until US forces arrived.



So too, it seems the fried chicken empire just sprouted in the last decade. Coincidence? I think not.

[insert western imperialist pig admonishment here]

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-25 12:39:36 PM  

hdhale: Rapmaster2000: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!

Ok, bad Stallone impersonations aside...

Getting called "baby killer" by a group of semi-homosexual frat boys who wouldn't know how to survive in the woods more than a couple of hours and who think it might be cool one day to go shoot a gun (OMG!)..."you know...at one of those places that lets you rent one and burn a couple of clips on *full auto*, wouldn't that be cool!" is not a good afternoon.

I had to resist putting more than one of them through a plate glass window more than once...

Anyway, stupid motherfarker is getting cocky and thinks he actually has the nuts to keep the Taliban at bay.  Fine.  Have at it.  Just make sure our people are out of harm's way and don't beg for air support later.



By chance do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?
 
2013-02-25 12:41:05 PM  
Mr. Karzai:

If your people would stop using death as a way to deal with each and every minute disagreement in political and daily life, we wouldn't have to be there.

Thanks,

Americans and the West in general
 
2013-02-25 12:41:21 PM  

SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home


We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?
 
2013-02-25 12:41:23 PM  

Yogimus: Look, either murder the lot of them, or leave them alone. No more of this half assing.


That would work, but I think the Libtards in charge are trying to figure out how to provide the Afghans amnesty so they will vote Democrat.
 
2013-02-25 12:42:32 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Afghan = the people who life in Afghanistan.
Afghani = the money they use.

/Purchase a clue, people.


How many Afghani for one clue, please?
 
2013-02-25 12:43:02 PM  
Since the life of one American is worth more than that entire shiat country, we should be happy to oblige.
 
2013-02-25 12:44:42 PM  

PapaChester: Gunslinger013: MonoChango: Boy oh Boy, Obama's smart diplomacy has really been a big success.   Can anyone else remember how everyone on TV was saying that the "Muslim World" would love us because Obama wasn't EvilBushMcHitler.  Ha ha jokes on us for thinking that he wasn't totally incompetent.   As much as it pains me to say this but Palin probably could have put together a better foreign policy.

While the media is in love with OBOMBa for some reason, in practice his foreign policy is pretty much the same as that of Bush. We're bombing the same people, we're trading with the same people. Tangibly what has changed?

And this is why people are not singing his praise in then same tune and the first election. He is still a whole lot better than that other guy that hated 47% of Americans including it's vets and seniors.


While I am no fan of the other guy I would argue he would in fact be better for us than Obama. Policy wise it would be same shiat different day. However when Bush pulled this crap at least the left would push back somewhat. Obama orders the assassination of an american citizen over seas and they just roll with it. In that regard I prefer the other guy.
 
2013-02-25 12:46:35 PM  
www.busybeedogs.com
 
2013-02-25 12:47:14 PM  

bilk2455: We are leaving...

Funny but with music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82ywt9a3lEQ


I'm pretty sure this is why they are being asked to leave.

/pretty sweet
 
2013-02-25 12:47:18 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Afghan = the people who life in Afghanistan.
Afghani = the money they use.

/Purchase a clue, people.


Afghani is better than saying towel-head. Amirite?
 
2013-02-25 12:47:21 PM  
I can't wait to unleash the killbots on them.
 
2013-02-25 12:48:34 PM  
He's part of the empire now. Better tone it down a bit.
 
2013-02-25 12:48:55 PM  

cgraves67: Guess who's hosting the Hide and Seek World Championship again.


Anne Frank?
 
2013-02-25 12:49:07 PM  

Molavian: I can't wait to unleash the killbots on them.


Um we unleashed the killbots on them some time ago. Where have you been?
 
2013-02-25 12:50:10 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Rapmaster2000: We could totally win this thing if we're willing to be more brutal than the Soviets.  How hard can it be?

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I say we oblige him.  We've wasted far too much money and blood there as it is.

America could have totally destroyed Communism if Truman had the balls to let MacArthur cross the 38th parallel and push those rice-eaters back to the Great Wall of China.   We had a second chance in Vietnam, but noooooo!  You libs had to go and ruin that for us too.

It's no different now, except that the Communists have been replaced my Islamofascist Jihadis.

And now you want our brave American fighting heterosexual men to cut and run, abandoning the field to our archenemies, who will not rest until every last American man, woman, and child is dead, converted to Islam, or gay married.

You swore you wouldn't forget 9-11.  Well, you did.

Don't blame me when the smoking gun comes in the form of a mushroom cloud over America's heartland.  We warned you.


In the pantheon of inspiring speeches, that's right up there with Bluto and the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

*salutes*
 
2013-02-25 12:50:39 PM  
Remind me again why the fark we went there in the first place?
 
2013-02-25 12:50:49 PM  

Tumunga: Yogimus: Look, either murder the lot of them, or leave them alone. No more of this half assing.

That would work, but I think the Libtards in charge are trying to figure out how to provide the Afghans amnesty so they will vote Democrat.


No, the libtards in charge are laughing every time a conservative troll comes up with some half-baked conspiracy theory in a vain attempt to lessen their butt-hurt over losing the election.

Hey...your daddy is calling......

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-25 12:51:07 PM  

Muta: SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home

We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?


It's not the solders, it's the management.
 
2013-02-25 12:51:30 PM  
AWESOME. Bye!

/Seriously, if the US-led Afghan troops are misbehaving, I am entirely willing to believe Karsai wants to kick their ass--it would be perfect political capital for him, since everyone hates us, and it might lead to him  actually getting a decent military that doesn't commit crimes on its own people.
//Plus, we do not belong there. At all.
 
2013-02-25 12:51:41 PM  

Muta: SpdrJay: The US knows all those soldiers haven't got a chance in hell of finding a real job when they get home

We only hire winners at our company.  Why would someone hire someone who can't win a fight against an enemy armed with WWI era weapons?


They can. We won't let them.

If the US wanted to, we could make war so terrible that the Afghans would get sick of it. We did it with the Confederates, we did it with the Germans, and we could do it here. It's just not pretty to do so.
 
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