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2013-02-25 02:01:26 AM
I stick to the value menu mostly when I eat out, the regular stuff is just too expensive. But for beef and stuff for the home, yeah it's getting up there. Guess I'll have to look at meat substitutes at some point if meat gets too expensive.

/tofu burgers *shudders*
 
2013-02-25 02:13:10 AM
Here in the middle of nowhere, it's much cheaper to go in halfsies with somebody and buy an entire Hereford cow and pay the butcher (we have two butchers in town who deal with elk, deer, and cattle) to process the different cuts. You can fill your deep freeze with half a cow.
 
2013-02-25 02:38:44 AM
It seems like it was only three weeks ago Fox was blaming all this on "hippies".
http://www.fark.com/comments/7571317
 
2013-02-25 03:20:11 AM
Even ground beef is getting stupidly priced now. I know that prices rise, but it would be nice if my earnings kept up with gas and groceries. I used to never think about those weekly expenses. Now I do.

/toyed with the idea of clipping coupons, but no one wants to be that guy
 
2013-02-25 04:04:13 AM

dickfreckle: Even ground beef is getting stupidly priced now. I know that prices rise, but it would be nice if my earnings kept up with gas and groceries. I used to never think about those weekly expenses. Now I do.

/toyed with the idea of clipping coupons, but no one wants to be that guy


A lot of stores are allowing you to load coupons on to a store loyalty card. Nobody has to know.
 
2013-02-25 05:58:02 AM
www.techkings.org
 
2013-02-25 08:25:16 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Here in the middle of nowhere, it's much cheaper to go in halfsies with somebody and buy an entire Hereford cow and pay the butcher (we have two butchers in town who deal with elk, deer, and cattle) to process the different cuts. You can fill your deep freeze with half a cow.


*fistbump*

CSB: My neighbor and I were talking about our next commission last night. We're doing a hog too and went over our inventory last night to time the space issue. The farmer down the road raises some Angus too, which we've been really happy with, a little moreso than the Hereford. The price can't be beat (over the last five years it's never gone over $3# cut to order) and the quality is as high as any $100/plate steakhouse. Plus it's cool to bring the kids to the farm and pick out the steer (my wife won't do that LOL).
 
2013-02-25 08:31:15 AM
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I think there's a final solution to that.
 
2013-02-25 08:58:01 AM
3at moar chikin
 
2013-02-25 09:00:44 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Here in the middle of nowhere, it's much cheaper to go in halfsies with somebody and buy an entire Hereford cow and pay the butcher (we have two butchers in town who deal with elk, deer, and cattle) to process the different cuts. You can fill your deep freeze with half a cow.


Yep. I did this. I'm flush with steaks.

Now that I think of it, this explains why all the neighborhood dogs seem to love my yard. Word's gotten out, apparently.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:17 AM
Apparently we can just substitute in some horse meat and nobody would notice the difference for a long time.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:54 AM
Thanks Fartbamastein

/amidoinitright?
 
2013-02-25 09:05:05 AM
Where were you, when the steak wars began?
 
2013-02-25 09:06:13 AM
t0.gstatic.com
I can b cheezburgr?
 
2013-02-25 09:07:52 AM
www.4cleanfuels.com

I was gonna' make you a cheezeburger, but I burnt it.
 
2013-02-25 09:12:45 AM
... So, Fox is preemptively making up some shiate about the cause being a beef shortage so that the REAL reason  - the sequester they want to let roll through causing there to be not enough gvt meat inspectors to go around - won't put the blame back on them where it belongs. ... because, Obama!

I see it clearly now.
 
2013-02-25 09:13:18 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Here in the middle of nowhere, it's much cheaper to go in halfsies with somebody and buy an entire Hereford cow and pay the butcher (we have two butchers in town who deal with elk, deer, and cattle) to process the different cuts. You can fill your deep freeze with half a cow.


You don't have to be out in the middle of nowhere to partake. Check your local high schools to see if they have an Ag program. We got in with one here and sponsor some kids to raise pigs (this year) and a steer for next year. Ag teachers and parents both like it and we get the meat.

A couple of hundred dollars invested and a freezer full of meat that was cared for and fed the best food and the kid has a chance to win money from the show for college. We have already sent the pigs from this year to the butcher and will pick the meat up first of the month. My buddy who did it last year says the pork is the best he's ever eaten.
 
2013-02-25 09:14:12 AM
I read that as "beer" shortage and started to panic.
 
2013-02-25 09:16:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWnTwhmDZlU

Marshall law burgers really good. We could no longer afford meat and we eat a lot of replacers now. We have all lost weight LOL
 
2013-02-25 09:17:03 AM
You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.
 
2013-02-25 09:18:45 AM
So Beef is apparently  not  "what's for dinner."

You lied, Stranger! You LIED!!!
 
2013-02-25 09:19:53 AM

Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.


6/10. Will get the vegan hipsters for sure.
 
2013-02-25 09:22:06 AM
Meh, we still we have pink slime, put some ketchup/catsup on it you'll never know the difference.
 
2013-02-25 09:22:48 AM

Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.


We switched to portabella burgers (surprisingly filling), but we're running out of smart substitutes.  Chicken isn't that healthy, current fishing has decimated the ocean, pork?  We could eat more pig I guess.  Turkey takes too much effort.
 
2013-02-25 09:24:19 AM

Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.


??? Does not compute.
 
2013-02-25 09:26:00 AM
This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?  Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.
 
2013-02-25 09:26:27 AM
tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-25 09:27:09 AM

SandmanEsq: This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?  Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.


Pros/Cons aside, I find something fundamentally troubling when a society begins burning food for fuel.
 
2013-02-25 09:28:32 AM
Weren't we just nailing some companies to the wall last week for selling horse in their "beef" products?  And it turns out those people were visionaries!
 
2013-02-25 09:28:47 AM
I picked up my steer last week.  Filled the bed of my Ranger.  Almost 800 lbs of hanging weight at $1.90/lb to the rancher and .50/lb to the butcher.  A little higher than usual on the butcher but we got hotdogs and sausage made.  Only grain and grass.  No feedlot.  No growth h-mones.
 
2013-02-25 09:29:29 AM

star_topology: Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.

6/10. Will get the vegan hipsters for sure.


Yeah, vegan hipsters are known for only eating beef once a week. Do you hear yourself talk?
 
2013-02-25 09:30:50 AM

Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.


Listen to Carth, people!!! He speaks the truth!

/More beef for me
 
2013-02-25 09:31:20 AM
I eat less and less red meat as I get older, anyway. Chicken too. I'm not about to go full veggie but I'm cutting back big time.
 
2013-02-25 09:32:28 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: SandmanEsq: This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?  Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.

Pros/Cons aside, I find something fundamentally troubling when a society begins burning food for fuel.


Particularly when so many go hungry.
 
2013-02-25 09:32:43 AM

dickfreckle: /toyed with the idea of clipping coupons, but no one wants to be that guy


I know what you mean, but the Mrs. puts in maybe 2 hours every couple weeks, and ends up saving $100 or more on the trip to the grocery store. And no, we're not buying stuff we don't use. For that kind of savings, it's worth being "that guy".
 
2013-02-25 09:32:46 AM
You can only take so much off the top, before you get to the bottom. Taxes have already increased. The sequester, the top brass of which Obama's cabinet consists, have had ample warning of, as well as the Administrative responsibility to "phase in". Perhaps it should have been taken seriously by him and his Cabinet when he signed it into law. Mind you, the Republicans have ample responsibility for the current mess as well. Had they been acting responsibly from the beginning, they wouldn't have had to resort to this "nuclear option" in order to wrangle some fiscal responsibility from the system, to everybody's detriment. It's likely going to get a lot worse before it gets better, thanks to greed, power-mongering, and politics.
 
2013-02-25 09:32:52 AM

dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]


I haven't paid much attention to all of the hullabaloo about horse meat, and I don't see the problem. Hell, my local butcher has fresh goat, rabbit, and sometimes ostrich and emu. Why are people so adamant about not eating a horse?

Funnily enough, I went to google "horse meat scandal" and "horse meat sashimi" was among the top suggestions. Apparently horse is so bad for you that in some places, people eat it raw.
 
2013-02-25 09:35:49 AM

dickfreckle: /toyed with the idea of clipping coupons, but no one wants to be that guy


Exactly. What sort of person would want to save money? An idiot, that's who.
 
2013-02-25 09:35:55 AM

strangeluck: I stick to the value menu mostly when I eat out, the regular stuff is just too expensive. But for beef and stuff for the home, yeah it's getting up there. Guess I'll have to look at meat substitutes at some point if meat gets too expensive.

/tofu burgers *shudders*


I used to think that before...then with family history and wanting to lose some weight I switched to red meat only once a month. Besides chicken and turkey, you might be surprised by Boca Flame Grilled burgers. They obviously don't taste just like beef but are surprisingly good (I'd avoid Morningstar though) and have a similar texture.
 
2013-02-25 09:36:00 AM
Actually you can make your own veggie burgers pretty easily. Pearl barley and black beans with some chipotle/chilli powder - awesome flavor and texture (http://allrecipes.com/recipe/barley-black-bean-burgers/ ). Really easy to make and you can make them all into patties and freeze the extras.

/ Not a vegan
/ Love these homemade veggie burgers with all the fixins
 
2013-02-25 09:36:59 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]

I haven't paid much attention to all of the hullabaloo about horse meat, and I don't see the problem. Hell, my local butcher has fresh goat, rabbit, and sometimes ostrich and emu. Why are people so adamant about not eating a horse?

Funnily enough, I went to google "horse meat scandal" and "horse meat sashimi" was among the top suggestions. Apparently horse is so bad for you that in some places, people eat it raw.


Horse is fine, fully medicated race horse, not so much... Can you tell the difference?
 
2013-02-25 09:37:21 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Pros/Cons aside, I find something fundamentally troubling when a society begins burning food for fuel.


Quite simply, U.S. federal supremacy is built upon the house of cards of abundant energy. Now, that has become "at odds" with other aspects of the economy. Let's watch to see which side gains the upper hand. (As if there's any question.)
 
2013-02-25 09:39:17 AM
I finally got enough of my property fenced off to get some cattle.  Now prices on the hoof are $2 a pound or more.  It's too expensive to buy into the market for me right now.  I has a sad.  I've currently got meat goats, should be able to butcher one come fall.  I'll pretent it's beef.

/haven't had a good steak since Dad quit raising beef
//grass fed, grain finished
///yummy yummy slashies
 
2013-02-25 09:41:49 AM
Is this where I profess my meat-snobbery?

The last 3 years, my family have split locally-raised red Angus, grass-fed, grain-fattened, hormone and AB-free beef.    This last year it was the most expensive, but it was still about $2.60/lb when all said and done, which is about cheaper than the cheapest supermarket ground beef, and we're getting quality and all the cuts we want.    In 3 years, my family has only eaten 3 cows, and they were one at at time.
 
2013-02-25 09:43:12 AM
sno man: Horse is fine, fully medicated race horse, not so much... Can you tell the difference?

There was a newscast on NPR last week about the horsemeat scandal. In Britain anyway the concern was being "pushed" by authorities to be about phenylbutazone in the mea,t what levels are safe to consume, etc., rather than the fact that a different animal meat was being passed off as something else. Weird.
 
2013-02-25 09:44:16 AM

SandmanEsq: This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?  Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.


There are plenty of non-food crops that can be used for fuel. Scrub willow, for example, even grows in land unsuitable for food growth. That stuff will grow pretty much anywhere.

**cough** corn lobby **cough**
 
2013-02-25 09:44:39 AM
Your dog is steak!
 
2013-02-25 09:48:18 AM

thecpt: Carth: You shouldn't be eating beef more than once a week anyway. Maybe the price increase will force people to eat a little healthier.

We switched to portabella burgers (surprisingly filling), but we're running out of smart substitutes.  Chicken isn't that healthy, current fishing has decimated the ocean, pork?  We could eat more pig I guess.  Turkey takes too much effort.


Some fishing is still pretty sustainable Sardines are low in mercury and in no danger. Same with Wild Alaska Salmon farmed oysters, clams, mussels and scallops.

Ground turkey is a pretty easy substitute for a lot of beef recipes and is a lot healthier but it costs about the same amount.

If you limit the amount of red meat you eat, it makes it easier to spend the money on buffalo or a good tenderloin the times you do have it instead of eating ground beef a few times a week.
 
2013-02-25 09:50:53 AM
I'm doing my part for you beef-a-tarians out there by not eating beef but once a month and sometimes less.  Prices will rise, consumption will fall, people will be happier in the long run with this one.

Think about this for a moment: burger joints were the hot, hot item starting around 2009 and still seem to be going strong.  The standard sandwich, it seems, is a 1/2 pound patty.  With toppings but without any fries, using Five Guys as a model (their nutritional information was handy online) you're looking at right around 900-1000 calories.  The regular fries are 953 calories, a Coke is 180 cal/12 oz.

Can we survive while eating smaller portions of beef?  Given that a single burger meal is 100% of your daily recommended calories... yes.
 
2013-02-25 09:51:20 AM

dryknife: sno man: Horse is fine, fully medicated race horse, not so much... Can you tell the difference?

There was a newscast on NPR last week about the horsemeat scandal. In Britain anyway the concern was being "pushed" by authorities to be about phenylbutazone in the mea,t what levels are safe to consume, etc., rather than the fact that a different animal meat was being passed off as something else. Weird.


Because the drugs are potentially an actual health issue, and the switching of the animal protein is merely a consumerist mislabelling issue?
 
2013-02-25 09:51:37 AM
That's why I buy my steaks from Costco.  The prices aren't that bad.  I just checked this weekend and the boneless ribeyes were $7.99/lb
 
2013-02-25 09:59:17 AM

PsyLord: That's why I buy my steaks from Costco. The prices aren't that bad. I just checked this weekend and the boneless ribeyes were $7.99/lb


100% + inflation over the last 10 years, yet the Department of Bullshiat Economic Figures trots out inflationary figures of 3% or less per year.
 
2013-02-25 10:01:05 AM
Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.
 
2013-02-25 10:03:56 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.


Is your login bemoaning your lack of storage options?
 
2013-02-25 10:05:51 AM
But climate change is just a big liberal hoax, amirite?
 
2013-02-25 10:06:08 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.


You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...
 
2013-02-25 10:06:26 AM

HAMMERTOE: PsyLord: That's why I buy my steaks from Costco. The prices aren't that bad. I just checked this weekend and the boneless ribeyes were $7.99/lb

100% + inflation over the last 10 years, yet the Department of Bullshiat Economic Figures trots out inflationary figures of 3% or less per year.


WTF are you babbling about?
 
2013-02-25 10:08:28 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.


Well if you just get rid of the dead hookers, you'd have lots of room.
 
2013-02-25 10:11:34 AM

DigitalSorceress: ... So, Fox is preemptively making up some shiate about the cause being a beef shortage so that the REAL reason  - the sequester they want to let roll through causing there to be not enough gvt meat inspectors to go around - won't put the blame back on them where it belongs. ... because, Obama!

I see it clearly now.


No you don't.
 
2013-02-25 10:13:04 AM

Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...


There where am I going to keep the dead hookers, smart guy?
 
2013-02-25 10:16:48 AM

Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...


I do this, except replace the word cow with prostitute.
 
2013-02-25 10:17:55 AM

Longtooth: Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...

There where am I going to keep the dead hookers, smart guy?

Great minds think alike.

 
2013-02-25 10:18:06 AM

red5ish: It seems like it was only three weeks ago Fox was blaming all this on "hippies".
http://www.fark.com/comments/7571317


DigitalSorceress: ... So, Fox is preemptively making up some shiate about the cause being a beef shortage so that the REAL reason  - the sequester they want to let roll through causing there to be not enough gvt meat inspectors to go around - won't put the blame back on them where it belongs. ... because, Obama!

I see it clearly now.


I think you see what you want to see...and if one reporter at Fox News is using a series of faulty premises to reach a conclusion, then I suppose that puts him in the company of ABC/NBC/CBS/PBS/MSNBC/CNN and we shouldn't be surprised.

Even if there weren't "shortages" of beef, the fact is that grocery stores, which routinely have thin margins, have seen a general escalation of costs for everything from labor (minimum wage increases, benefits becoming more costly) to transportation (fuel for transports costs more) to dealing with increased regulations.  It's only natural that beef, and practically everything else, cost more.

It would be interesting to see a chart that includes basic items (shelter, food, gas, clothing, insurance) excluding electronics and see what the rate of inflation is...my sense is that over the past several years it is escalating.

/and yes, you can blame Obama, but that's not the only reason
 
2013-02-25 10:18:50 AM

Longtooth: Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...

There where am I going to keep the dead hookers, smart guy?


lasercannon: Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...

I do this, except replace the word cow with prostitute.


You just have to buy two freezers, no big deal.
 
2013-02-25 10:23:21 AM

Carn: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

You could rent a storage space, buy a chest freezer, and keep your dead cow in there.  Options...


Or get a bunch of families together and split up the meat among more of you.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:07 AM
Although I am very much a meat-a-tarian we have been doing vegetarian dishes at least once a week around the house just for health benefits and the fact that two out our three daughter seems to regard meat as "gross" (the third daughter eats it like there's no tomorrow...go figure..nature vs. nurture...).

Here's an easy replacement dinner - bean burritos from scratch (food processor optional but very useful).

In a pan boil cups or so of water.  Add 1 Tbsp chicken bullion, 1 tsp chili powder, 1 tsp cumin.

Put in 2 cups of pinto beans - soak this all overnight

The next day switch the water and rinse the beans - this makes them non-farty.

Then add enough water to cover the beans and re-add the same spices again.  Cook for an hour or until they are soft and edible.

Drain them BUT KEEP THE LIQUID.  Put them in a food processor and blend until smooth, adding back fluid as needed - you will probably need about a cup.  This is a good time to add a little salt to taste as well.

Alternatively mash with a potato masher.

Keep warm and serve with tortillas, cheese, pico de gallo, whatever else you enjoy in burritos.

Sometimes we have chicken on the side to add to these too.
 
2013-02-25 10:25:57 AM

Amos Quito: [www.4cleanfuels.com image 413x310]

I was gonna' make you a cheezeburger, but I burnt it.


This is the problem.  Price of feed I buy for our cows is way up from even 5 years ago.
 
2013-02-25 10:28:02 AM
Good thing I'm already used to not eating beef!  Thanks, Japan!
 
2013-02-25 10:29:17 AM
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Under where?
 
2013-02-25 10:30:43 AM

thecpt: Chicken isn't that healthy...


Wha? I was under the impression chicken boobs were one of the healthier meats you could eat. Lean, low-fat and all that. Am I mistaken?
 
2013-02-25 10:34:37 AM

GibbyTheMole: thecpt: Chicken isn't that healthy...

Wha? I was under the impression chicken boobs were one of the healthier meats you could eat. Lean, low-fat and all that. Am I mistaken?


Like anything, the answer is "it depends".

Depends where the chicken is from, what it eats, and how many antibiotics and hormones it has been pumped full of.
It's the same with beef. Calling beef "unhealthy" is a more than a wee bit misleading.
 
2013-02-25 10:42:19 AM

HMS_Blinkin: But climate change is just a big liberal hoax, amirite?



Yeah, we're growing CORN FOR CAR FUEL on land that should be raising feed for cows.

Climate change: The "solution" is the problem.
 
2013-02-25 10:45:18 AM

dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]


Horse sashimi?!
 
2013-02-25 10:46:38 AM

WhippingBoy: GibbyTheMole: thecpt: Chicken isn't that healthy...

Wha? I was under the impression chicken boobs were one of the healthier meats you could eat. Lean, low-fat and all that. Am I mistaken?

Like anything, the answer is "it depends".

Depends where the chicken is from, what it eats, and how many antibiotics and hormones it has been pumped full of.
It's the same with beef. Calling beef "unhealthy" is a more than a wee bit misleading.


Federal law prohibits chickens from being treated with growth hormones. If a chicken is given antibiotics there is a mandated wait time before it can be killed to let the antibiotics leave the system.

Diet and lifestyle mostly effect fat content in animals. So for dark meat or eggs a healthy diet improves the fat content (less fat overall, more healthy fats, less saturated fats etc.). For lean meat like breast meat it doesn't really matter.
 
2013-02-25 10:48:14 AM
Obviously, the government needs to subsidize beef for low to middle income people. It will create more demand and the market will respond.
 
2013-02-25 10:50:32 AM

GibbyTheMole: thecpt: Chicken isn't that healthy...

Wha? I was under the impression chicken boobs were one of the healthier meats you could eat. Lean, low-fat and all that. Am I mistaken?


If you can get organic from a farm you trust, then it's great. Otherwise, remember this is the US. There's no regulation on sub-therapeutic doses of antibiotics such as Cipro, and 80% of the antibiotics in the US are fed to livestock. The meat industry swears it's totally safe and those NEJM Cipro-resistance studies are just big ol' coincidences.

That is of course if you have complete faith in the US food supply system, and believe that none of your chicken gets mixed up from batches from China. For the China stuff add sulfaquinoxaline, tilmicosin, and maybe even chloramphenicol to the mix - antibiotics that are banned for livestock use even in the US because the lobbyists aren't that good. Plus other stuff too complicated for me to remember how to Google.
 
2013-02-25 10:54:34 AM
Want a really delicious way to stretch one pound of ground beef to feed your whole goddamn family? Do what I did this weekend and make Bolognese sauce.

Start with a large rib of celery, a carrot, an onion and 4 cloves of garlic. Chop them roughly and put in a food processor, pulse to a chunky paste. Saute it in olive oil, adding salt and pepper, for a few minutes then add the beef, plus a handful of chopped basil and a pinch of fennel seed and red pepper flakes. Brown the beef, then add a small can of tomato paste and a large can of crushed tomatoes (preferably San Marzano) plus a couple bay leaves. Simmer low for 90 minutes, then finish the sauce with a little butter and some half & half.

Makes more than enough rich, beefy sauce for 2 lbs. of pasta.
 
2013-02-25 11:00:19 AM

SandmanEsq: This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?


As I understand it, we have lots of acreage for food crops that aren't even in use.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:30 AM

WhippingBoy: dickfreckle: /toyed with the idea of clipping coupons, but no one wants to be that guy

Exactly. What sort of person would want to save money? An idiot, that's who.


Heck, austerity is considered a crime equivalent to genocide according to Paul Krugman and the economic experts of FARK.

/saving money in a recession is treason
//dissent against liberals is racism
///ignorance is strength
 
2013-02-25 11:10:14 AM

factoryconnection: Can we survive while eating smaller portions of beef?  Given that a single burger meal is 100% of your daily recommended calories... yes.


I'm assuming that you're including the bun, fries and soft drink to reach that figure, all of which should be preferentially dumped or reduced before the beef. The beef is pretty much the only bit with any significant nutritional value beyond mere calories.
 
2013-02-25 11:13:48 AM

Amos Quito: Yeah, we're growing CORN FOR CAR FUEL on land that should be raising feed for cows.

Climate change: The "solution" is the problem.


I think we're pretty much past the point of most serious people arguing that our corn ethanol production is anything more than a well-dressed bribe to the early-primary/caucus states.
 
2013-02-25 11:18:05 AM
Fark the news. I raise my own. No shortage here
 
2013-02-25 11:20:10 AM
There is not shortage of beef. Just because the grocery chains are getting greedy and raising prices, does not mean there is a shortage.

Why, I can look out my back door, and through the trees and see 50 head of beef cattle.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:54 AM

Mr_Fabulous: Want a really delicious way to stretch one pound of ground beef to feed your whole goddamn family? Do what I did this weekend and make Bolognese sauce.

Start with a large rib of celery, a carrot, an onion and 4 cloves of garlic. Chop them roughly and put in a food processor, pulse to a chunky paste. Saute it in olive oil, adding salt and pepper, for a few minutes then add the beef, plus a handful of chopped basil and a pinch of fennel seed and red pepper flakes. Brown the beef, then add a small can of tomato paste and a large can of crushed tomatoes (preferably San Marzano) plus a couple bay leaves. Simmer low for 90 minutes, then finish the sauce with a little butter and some half & half.

Makes more than enough rich, beefy sauce for 2 lbs. of pasta.


Maybe it's because my sons are still in elementary school, but a pound of beef generally covers the four of us. A three pound bone-in roast does amply with leftovers. I'm sure as they get older that will change, but I treat meat as more of a side dish compared to when we grew up. Always heavy on the veggies instead. Two thick ribeyes easily covers the four of us. Not that back in the day I wouldn't inhale a 18 ounce sirloin, but I realize now you just shouldn't eat that way.
 
2013-02-25 11:25:31 AM
SandmanEsq

This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems? Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.

At last, someone with a working brain!

When the shiat started about making ethanol fuel out of corn, I yelled bullcrap, because corn is our cash crop, used in nearly everything. The only reason to grab up the primary crop, IMO, is for assorted wealthy folks to make millions more off it and the consequences which were sure to follow, like the increase in prepared food prices. Along with shortages in other commodities as farmers chose to grow more corn and less secondary vegetables.

Plus, we export a lot of corn, so the costs would go up for other nations importing it. (Which is exactly what happened.)
I knew ethanol can be made from nearly anything vegetable. Including crop waste -- like those tons of apples and other fruits which can't be sold because they hit the ground or were blemished.

An Ethanol plant is being built in my town, and guess what? No corn is being used. Instead it's made deals with surrounding counties to take in yard waste, stuff from lot clearings, crop leavings and, since we have a lot of citrus, truckloads of the inevitable unusable fruits.

The plant is actually benefiting the area by consuming items which would have gone into the land fill. The waste after fermentation, will probably be sold to fertilizer companies.

By the time all of this came out, it was too late. The corn crop had been grabbed, prices were soaring at grocery stores and new billionaires were popping up.

BTW. The last beef shortage in the early 70's tripled the cost of beef. As folks sought alternatives, the cost of pork doubled. Seafood prices soared and the cost of traditionally cheap whole chicken just exploded. They started selling chicken, broken up and in bags, more cheaply -- with larger amounts of fat left on to increase the weight. Plus, most were injected with sugar water or broth to 'increase the flavor' which also cheaply increased the weight, gaining more profits.

Next time you buy a bag of chicken wings or 'tenders', read the label. You'll see. Then notice how the amount of fat attached to chicken quarters has increased.

With the last beef shortage, when it ended, retailers never lowered the prices much, taking advantage of the fact that folks were willing to continue to pay higher cost for beef just to get it.

If you think beef was expensive before this drought, just wait until after it breaks and the herds are restored. Prices will not drop to pre-shortage levels.

Horse meat just might become popular after all.
 
2013-02-25 11:31:45 AM
Rik01:

Horse meat just might become popular after all.

That'd be cool. I wish we could get a larger variety of meats into the supermarkets without it having to be prompted by a crisis of our own stupidity.
 
2013-02-25 11:35:26 AM

ImmaHoopyFrood: I picked up my steer last week.  Filled the bed of my Ranger.  Almost 800 lbs of hanging weight at $1.90/lb to the rancher and .50/lb to the butcher.  A little higher than usual on the butcher but we got hotdogs and sausage made.  Only grain and grass.  No feedlot.  No growth h-mones.


assets.sbnation.com
 
2013-02-25 11:39:28 AM

RoLleRKoaSTeR: dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]

Horse sashimi?!


Belmont Steaks.
 
2013-02-25 11:50:22 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: haven't paid much attention to all of the hullabaloo about horse meat, and I don't see the problem. Hell, my local butcher has fresh goat, rabbit, and sometimes ostrich and emu. Why are people so adamant about not eating a horse?


The problem wasn't simply selling horse meat. Folks are possy because they were told they were buying beef and were sold horse.

As is typically the case, It's the lying that got them into trouble.
 
2013-02-25 11:50:52 AM

incendi: I'm assuming that you're including the bun, fries and soft drink to reach that figure, all of which should be preferentially dumped or reduced before the beef. The beef is pretty much the only bit with any significant nutritional value beyond mere calories.


Why are you assuming when I actually explained exactly what the I was talking about?  Yeah, you might order the 500-calorie bunless burger.  That's one of you, but people eat the buns and toppings in general.  If you're claiming that you cannot survive eating less than half a pound of beef per meal, however... that's an odd claim, but you will pay more for it and have been for quite some time.

My point stands: we, as a populace can stand to eat less beef per serving and survive without breaking the bank.  Besides the obesity, there's the very real and very persistent natural resources balance on which beef production is on the wrong side.  Fresh water is already being fought over tooth and nail, especially in western states, and beef production uses massive amounts of it.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:54 AM
Anyone using fuel as an argument: First, cows are not suppose to live on corn.  It makes for sickly cows, and $1.00 value menues.  Second, our mono-crop agricultural system is not only bad for our environment on many levels including the huge loss of half the country's honeybees, but also for keeping our soil healthy enough to actual grow food we can eat.  To promote corn production for either industry is only going to push us farther back into agricultural hell.

Our food supply should never have been converted into a factory operation.

The next step in nutrient roulette: The push for lab grown meat on a grand scale.
 
2013-02-25 11:52:09 AM

Rik01: Prices will not drop to pre-shortage levels.


While most of what you put in your post is cogent, one can't simply say the price will never go down again. BTW, yes, read the labels and never ever never buy meat with the word "enhanced" on the label.
 
2013-02-25 11:58:23 AM

JRaynor: The problem wasn't simply selling horse meat. Folks are possy because they were told they were buying beef and were sold horse.

As is typically the case, It's the lying that got them into trouble.


Well, not exactly the lying. The issue is that if things are so mucked up that you can get your meats intermixed, it really casts the whole safety system into doubt ... it's not just "We're pissed because you lied", it's "Well shiat, you lied, how can we trust anything else you said, like the part where you said you the meat passed all required inspections?"

I'm down for eating some horsemeat. I'm not so enthusiastic about eating anything from a factory where their heads are so far up their asses they can't perform the relatively simple task of keeping different meats separate.
 
2013-02-25 11:59:01 AM

OregonVet: Rik01: Prices will not drop to pre-shortage levels.

While most of what you put in your post is cogent, one can't simply say the price will never go down again. BTW, yes, read the labels and never ever never buy meat with the word "enhanced" on the label.


see also "seasoned"
 
2013-02-25 12:01:53 PM

razyjean: ImmaHoopyFrood: I picked up my steer last week.  Filled the bed of my Ranger.  Almost 800 lbs of hanging weight at $1.90/lb to the rancher and .50/lb to the butcher.  A little higher than usual on the butcher but we got hotdogs and sausage made.  Only grain and grass.  No feedlot.  No growth h-mones.

[assets.sbnation.com image 559x382]



Teenage athletic son who will starve to death if he doesn't pile in about 3000 calories a day.  Teenage son's friends.  Daughter's boyfriend.  Two freezers.  We go through one steer per year.  When these kids move out it will be the biggest raise I've ever gotten.  I couldn't imagine feeding them on grocery store prices.  Them and the neighborhood kids.
 
2013-02-25 12:19:38 PM

Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: But climate change is just a big liberal hoax, amirite?


Yeah, we're growing CORN FOR CAR FUEL on land that should be raising feed for cows.

Climate change: The "solution" is the problem.


Looks like you didn't read the part of the article where they mentioned that severe droughts are causing the reduction in cattle stocks.  But that's ok, because ethanol stops precipitation from happening, obviously.
 
2013-02-25 12:29:33 PM

factoryconnection: That's one of you, but people eat the buns and toppings in general.  If you're claiming that you cannot survive eating less than half a pound of beef per meal, however... that's an odd claim, but you will pay more for it and have been for quite some time.

My point stands: we, as a populace can stand to eat less beef per serving and survive without breaking the bank.  Besides the obesity, there's the very real and very persistent natural resources balance on which beef production is on the wrong side.  Fresh water is already being fought over tooth and nail, especially in western states, and beef production uses massive amounts of it.


I was just addressing the notion that we've got a beef-overconsumption problem because people eat too much fast food - which is nonsense, as the beef (and the paltry amount of vegetable toppings) is usually the only reasonably healthy part of the meal. I'm not saying we should eat half a pound at each sitting, but it's the rest of the meal, which is either sugar or an enzyme away from being sugar, that accounts for the meal being a day's worth of calories. We've got a fast-food overconsumption problem, not a beef-specific overconsumption problem.

That being said, yes, we as a populace could stand to eat less overall, and eat less beef specifically, but the beef should be replaced by other decent sources of nutrition, not more empty calories. And frankly, as long as we're burning corn-based ethanol and supplementing our caloric intake with HFCS in practically everything, we can't piss and moan too much about the beef prices. We're doing it to ourselves, sacrificing a lower amount of quality, nutritive calories for a higher amount of empty calories. Given the fat and diabetic nature of America, I think there's a case to be made for shifting subsidization away from corn for sugar towards meats and vegetables.

As for beef being on the wrong side of the natural resource balance, it's entirely possible you're correct, though I've heard arguments on both sides. I do suspect the rich folks buying water rights are going to be much richer in a decade or two.
 
2013-02-25 12:35:11 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: But climate change is just a big liberal hoax, amirite?


Yeah, we're growing CORN FOR CAR FUEL on land that should be raising feed for cows.

Climate change: The "solution" is the problem.

Looks like you didn't read the part of the article where they mentioned that severe droughts are causing the reduction in cattle stocks.  But that's ok, because ethanol stops precipitation from happening, obviously.



Seems like we had enough water to raise all that CORN that we converted into ETHANOL that went into your gas tank and out your tailpipe-dream.

/What a farking joke
 
2013-02-25 01:20:17 PM
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2013-02-25 01:33:36 PM
Dept of Ag (I think it was them) is calling for another drought this year, except for our area (they are saying it will be wetter then usual).  We were lucky last year, had enough rain for a good crop and will probably get to sell some of the surplus (the corn goes to feed the pigs, most years we have surplus to sell at the beginning of harvest) at record high prices this year.  My father was able to build a more efficient barn due to high corn prices, buy a new tractor, and get a new TV from corn last year (first new one in probably 20 years).

Hell, pork is 81.78 (cents per pound) right now....back when I was a teenager (about 15 years ago) it was around 16.

/full time family farm
//My dad is against subsidies
 
2013-02-25 01:42:32 PM

Burr: Dept of Ag (I think it was them) is calling for another drought this year, except for our area (they are saying it will be wetter then usual).  We were lucky last year, had enough rain for a good crop and will probably get to sell some of the surplus (the corn goes to feed the pigs, most years we have surplus to sell at the beginning of harvest) at record high prices this year.  My father was able to build a more efficient barn due to high corn prices, buy a new tractor, and get a new TV from corn last year (first new one in probably 20 years).

Hell, pork is 81.78 (cents per pound) right now....back when I was a teenager (about 15 years ago) it was around 16.

/full time family farm
//My dad is against subsidies


There's been a rumour going around that corn'll be down to $4-$4.50 a bushel next year.What do you think?
 
2013-02-25 01:53:45 PM
Eliminate relevant subsidies and corn ethanol will disappear. Why the beef lobbyists haven't thrown down with Monsanto lobbyists, I have no idea.
 
2013-02-25 02:06:10 PM
I just go to Al's garnished. The price never goes up there.
 
2013-02-25 02:10:37 PM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: SandmanEsq: This will be an unpopular opinion, and it is only a part of the problem, but maybe if we stopped using food crops for fuel (and an ineffective one at that), we would not be having some of these problems?  Yes, fossil fuels bad, but starvation worse.

Pros/Cons aside, I find something fundamentally troubling when a society begins burning food for fuel.


It's definitely a sign of sickness.
 
2013-02-25 02:11:02 PM

amishkarl: There's been a rumour going around that corn'll be down to $4-$4.50 a bushel next year.What do you think?


Didn't hear about that, but I just looked it up  They are basing it on a recovery.  Of course, it all depends on the weather, so I have no idea, just have to wait and see.
 
2013-02-25 02:17:37 PM
When asked for comment Michelle Obama said "let them eat cake"
 
2013-02-25 02:19:38 PM
All these problems would vanish if the rest of the country would simply see their way clear to implementing my proposed solution:

1)  Bullet to the head of every congressional lobbyist, regardless of industry.
2)  Optionally, feed their families to the poor.

See?  It's a trivial two-step process.  Could even be reduced to a single step if you're not into "long pig" for dinner.
 
2013-02-25 02:22:16 PM
I would love if this started pushing grocery stores to carry "alternative proteins" like goat, pigeon, offal, horse, octopus, jellyfish, and other species of fish typically considered undesirable. (yes I know some of you have it...but it's definitely not widespread) I even have to work just to find unfrozen duck or rabbit!

I ONLY buy beef when it goes on manager's special (i.e. "buy this before it goes out of date tomorrow") and freeze immediately.  I'm getting tired of figuring out different ways to cook chicken and pork, and the ole lady doesn't eat fish.

Fewer people on this planet is the only real solution.
 
2013-02-25 02:29:48 PM

dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]


Horse isn't bad if cooked right. Like most any game animal.
 
2013-02-25 02:31:06 PM

LadyBelgara: Good thing I'm already used to not eating beef!  Thanks, Japan!


I also enjoy a nice cup of smug each morning.
 
2013-02-25 02:34:41 PM

over_and_done: All these problems would vanish if the rest of the country would simply see their way clear to implementing my proposed solution:

1)  Bullet to the head of every congressional lobbyist, regardless of industry.
2)  Optionally, feed their families to the poor.

See?  It's a trivial two-step process.  Could even be reduced to a single step if you're not into "long pig" for dinner.


I hardly think we need to be so brutal. All the lobbyists are fighting for a bigger piece of the same pie. Just throw them all in Thunderdome and let them sort it out for themselves (and then sick the dogs on who ever is left). We are, after all, a civilized society.
 
2013-02-25 02:37:32 PM
I just got a raise so I'm eating more beef.  It sucks to be you if you're poor
 
2013-02-25 02:40:22 PM
In the future, people will eat bugs and vat grown 'meat'.
 
2013-02-25 02:52:29 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I just got a raise so I'm eating more beef. It sucks to be you if you're poor


You don't even have to be rich.  Just head over to a rancher's spread with a friend right after preg-testing and choose a fat dry cow that isn't 12 years old.   Feed up for a month or so with the grain/hay of your choice. Butcher, hang for 3 weeks and cut up and split it between you two.

Pretty easy and cheap 1/2 a beef.

Of course you need a decent sized freezer and a grinder and a little bit of know-how, but you get what you want.

/meatsaw and a walk-in cooler are also really handy but not 100% necessary if you live in the northern parts of the US.
//Used to cut up about 2 to 5 beef a year between our friends and extended family members.
 
2013-02-25 03:09:59 PM

Amos Quito: HMS_Blinkin: But climate change is just a big liberal hoax, amirite?


Yeah, we're growing CORN FOR CAR FUEL on land that should be raising feed for cows.

Climate change: The "solution" is the problem.


After fermentation the corn mash is fed to pigs. Just look at all the factory farms popping up around ethanol distiliries. Enjoy your ethanol-subsidized bacon.
 
2013-02-25 03:14:27 PM

2KanZam: I would love if this started pushing grocery stores to carry "alternative proteins" like goat, pigeon


I've seen what pigeons eat. It would scandalize a shark.
 
2013-02-25 03:51:05 PM

This text is now purple: 2KanZam: I would love if this started pushing grocery stores to carry "alternative proteins" like goat, pigeon

I've seen what pigeons eat. It would scandalize a shark.


Yes it would...of course sharks aren't bottom feeders so they are a bit more picky than other fish. Have at your squab & catfish; I'll stick with the shark steaks, thanks.
Lets not even get into the down side of a rabbits digestion process. Yeah, I'll pass on the hasenpfeffer, too.
 
2013-02-25 04:02:38 PM
Good.  Maybe $20/lb. beef will put a dent in demand.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I think it's crazy that our culture seems to think you need to eat meat 3 times a day to be healthy.  So many of our country's problems--in terms of energy, water use, land use, pollution, and healthcare--could be solved by such a "crisis" that pushes the economics of eating beef back to what it used to be: an occasional treat, not a dietary staple.
 
2013-02-25 04:11:22 PM

doglover: ZeroCorpse: Yes, yes, we get it. All of you with big freezers and the money to spare are buying cows and having them butchered. WE GET IT.

You try fitting half a cow in an apartment, though. This is not an option for everybody.

Is your login bemoaning your lack of storage options?


Fark needs a "win" button
 
2013-02-25 04:57:38 PM

Elzar: Actually you can make your own veggie burgers pretty easily. Pearl barley and black beans with some chipotle/chilli powder - awesome flavor and texture (http://allrecipes.com/recipe/barley-black-bean-burgers/ ). Really easy to make and you can make them all into patties and freeze the extras.

/ Not a vegan
/ Love these homemade veggie burgers with all the fixins


You posted for me! Add some corn meal if you'd like a little sweetness and added texture. A box of corn muffin mix was good but maybe a bit much for some. Mix in chopped red, green and yellow bell peppers for colorvamd taste. Freezer stocked for a few bucks... Microwave one and top with a fried egg, serve on raw spinach with a little salsa. Fast and easy.
 
2013-02-25 06:00:49 PM

HeadLever: Smeggy Smurf: I just got a raise so I'm eating more beef. It sucks to be you if you're poor

You don't even have to be rich.  Just head over to a rancher's spread with a friend right after preg-testing and choose a fat dry cow that isn't 12 years old.   Feed up for a month or so with the grain/hay of your choice. Butcher, hang for 3 weeks and cut up and split it between you two.


Okay, my fiancee did the pee-on-the-test-kit thing, and the little label is blue.  We're not pregnant.

Now we're at the rancher's, surrounded by cows.

I'm not sure what happens next.
 
2013-02-25 10:31:17 PM

SewerSquirrels: This text is now purple: 2KanZam: I would love if this started pushing grocery stores to carry "alternative proteins" like goat, pigeon

I've seen what pigeons eat. It would scandalize a shark.

Yes it would...of course sharks aren't bottom feeders so they are a bit more picky than other fish. Have at your squab & catfish; I'll stick with the shark steaks, thanks.
Lets not even get into the down side of a rabbits digestion process. Yeah, I'll pass on the hasenpfeffer, too.


Shark is endangered and ridiculously high in mercury. Enjoy your mercury poisoning
 
2013-02-26 07:49:12 AM
Hah! They all laughed when I bought a bunker full of beef jerkey and frozen steaks. But when the Meatpocalypse strikes I shall run BarterTown!
 
2013-02-26 08:01:52 AM

Richard C Stanford: Hah! They all laughed when I bought a bunker full of beefhorse jerkey and frozen steaks. But when the Meatpocalypse strikes I shall run BarterTown!


FTFY
 
2013-02-26 09:15:54 AM

NCg8r: Elzar: Actually you can make your own veggie burgers pretty easily. Pearl barley and black beans with some chipotle/chilli powder - awesome flavor and texture (http://allrecipes.com/recipe/barley-black-bean-burgers/ ). Really easy to make and you can make them all into patties and freeze the extras.

/ Not a vegan
/ Love these homemade veggie burgers with all the fixins

You posted for me! Add some corn meal if you'd like a little sweetness and added texture. A box of corn muffin mix was good but maybe a bit much for some. Mix in chopped red, green and yellow bell peppers for colorvamd taste. Freezer stocked for a few bucks... Microwave one and top with a fried egg, serve on raw spinach with a little salsa. Fast and easy.


Sounds mighty tasty... I'm gonna have to try this.  :-)
 
2013-02-26 01:41:40 PM

the lord god: dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]

Horse isn't bad if cooked right. Like most any game animal.


I'm fairly certain horse is not a game animal in this country.

Just saying.
 
2013-02-26 05:22:20 PM

RoLleRKoaSTeR: dryknife: [tuesdayshorse.files.wordpress.com image 660x277]

Horse sashimi?!


Interestingly enough, Horse sashimi is the only horsemeat I have ever had. It was at this awesome place in Kyoto where they have horse and deer sashimi, bear stew, wild boar kebabs. The sashimi was really good actually, no grosser then steak tartare.
 
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