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(KHOU Houston)   Good idea: Going to an indoor shooting range to practice your marksmanship. Bad idea: Firing tracer rounds which cause a four-alarm fire, destroying the building   (khou.com) divider line 11
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2013-02-25 07:40:40 AM
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dittybopper: Shadowknight: He could have just got rid of them and used "safe" ammo, instead of not thinking and burning down a building.

Well, duh.

I was pointing out that he probably didn't have a safe place to shoot them.  Also, it's possible that he didn't know they were tracers until he fired them.  Generally, tracer ammo has the tip of the bullet painted a different  color, but not everyone knows what the different colors mean, and going back to my ammo, some of it was old enough that the paint was flaking off.   Admittedly, it's unlikely, but possible.


I was always taught that if you're unsure of your ammo, don't shoot it.  Much like if you're not sure of the weapon you're holding (be it clear or safe to shoot) you might not want to pull the trigger either.

But then, I wasn't raised in a gun-nut house where we had random/stray ammo laying around, like this guy apparently did.  Either he had ammo he wasn't sure of or didn't know what it was, or he purposely shoot off tracer rounds without thinking of what a supersonic projectile burning at 1500F would likely do.  Either way, he shouldn't be playing with guns, because he's too stupid to be trusted with anything more than a sturdy pencil.
2013-02-25 07:33:52 AM
3 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: stevarooni: Never seen an indoor range accepting of tracer rounds, but I wouldn't think they'd be  especially vulnerable to burning down.

I have a feeling he broke a couple rules there


Yup. Tracing compound burns really hot and can easily set stuff on fire. Most of the indoor ranges I've been to have rubber panels at the rear of the range through which bullets must pass on their way to the bullet traps (the panels are to absorb sound and prevent ricochets). Tracing compound could easily set such rubber panels on fire. Pretty much any range prohibits tracers due to the fire risk.

I'm surprised that there wasn't a fire-suppression system (like sprinklers or some other mechanism) that could reduce the severity of a fire.

jnoel: 'Police kept onlookers at least a block away due to the threat of exploding munitions'

Brilliant.


Small arms ammo isn't really explosive and poses a relatively low risk beyond a few meters if it's not being fired from a gun -- it basically goes "pop" and the case pops off the bullet (the bullet, being heavier, tends to not move as much) at relatively low velocity. There's some heat and flame but no explosion. Now, if the range had bulk powder storage or exploding targets (unlikely at an indoor range) then there'd be a greater risk, but federal regulations and fire codes require proper storage magazines if one is storing more than a certain amount of powder, explosives, etc.

It's not like an indoor range is a military ammo dump containing tons of high explosives and other dangerous stuff.
2013-02-25 07:17:56 AM
2 votes:

Ablejack: Target practice with 50 gallon drums bobbing around at sea with 20mm tracers is good times. I cannot imagine tracers add much to the indoor range experience.


Stupid action on the part of the person who shot them, but it could have been the only way he *COULD* shoot them.

You can buy tracer ammo, it's not illegal, and in fact I had a box of 7.62mm NATO tracers a couple decades ago that I ran through my old Mauser.  The difference:  I was shooting them into a hill covered with about a foot of snow at the time.

I had access to a place where I could shoot them safely.  This guy may not have.

/The ammo I had was old surplus, and only had about a 75% trace rate.
2013-02-25 02:21:50 AM
2 votes:
So that gun range has had a flood, a roof collapse, and now an inferno. If they rebuild, I predict plague, frogs, or actual avenging angels.
2013-02-25 03:32:48 PM
1 votes:

MooseUpNorth: See, this is why I'm of two minds about the 2nd amendment. If you enshrine the right for everybody to own and use guns, _everybody_ gets to use them, including the ones who are too dumb/dangerous/crazy to use one responsibly or safely.


Yes, but that's basically true of the First Amendment, as well...which, arguably, gets us into just as much trouble, just not quite so dramatically.

If I have to get gun insurance to exercise my Second Amendment rights, how about speech insurance, for those who advocate dumb ideas?

/anti-vaxxers, I'm looking at you
2013-02-25 12:42:03 PM
1 votes:

MadSkillz: Here's a question for you in the States. I recently bought a family member an SKS. We got a crapload of surplus shiat ammo. The ammo is steel-core (magnetic). Some places in the US won't let you use that kind of ammo. Google gave me different stories but maybe one of you knows for certain why?


In the mid-90s, during the assault weapon ban time frame and when militias were terrorizing families everywhere,  steel core ammo was being described as "armor-piercing bullets" by the same sort of knowledgeable people that want "reasonable gun control" or a ban on "high capacity magazine clips" today.  Some things never change.
2013-02-25 10:15:17 AM
1 votes:

MadSkillz: Here's a question for you in the States. I recently bought a family member an SKS. We got a crapload of surplus shiat ammo. The ammo is steel-core (magnetic). Some places in the US won't let you use that kind of ammo. Google gave me different stories but maybe one of you knows for certain why?


Steel core ammunition has greater potential to penetrate a backstop. Typically, indoor ranges disallow use of steel core ammunition for that reason.
2013-02-25 10:03:57 AM
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dittybopper: Shadowknight: dittybopper: Shadowknight: He could have just got rid of them and used "safe" ammo, instead of not thinking and burning down a building.

Well, duh.

I was pointing out that he probably didn't have a safe place to shoot them.  Also, it's possible that he didn't know they were tracers until he fired them.  Generally, tracer ammo has the tip of the bullet painted a different  color, but not everyone knows what the different colors mean, and going back to my ammo, some of it was old enough that the paint was flaking off.   Admittedly, it's unlikely, but possible.

I was always taught that if you're unsure of your ammo, don't shoot it.  Much like if you're not sure of the weapon you're holding (be it clear or safe to shoot) you might not want to pull the trigger either.

But then, I wasn't raised in a gun-nut house where we had random/stray ammo laying around, like this guy apparently did.  Either he had ammo he wasn't sure of or didn't know what it was, or he purposely shoot off tracer rounds without thinking of what a supersonic projectile burning at 1500F would likely do.  Either way, he shouldn't be playing with guns, because he's too stupid to be trusted with anything more than a sturdy pencil.

I wouldn't necessarily go that far.

Do you advocate pulling the driver's license of people who hit a patch of black ice and that causes an accident that damages other's property?

There are basically two relevant facts:
1. Did the range have a sign forbidding tracer or other incendiary ammo?
2. Did the person in question know beforehand that the ammo was tracer ammo?

If the answer to both is "Yes", then the guy is civilly responsible.  If either or both of them is "No", then he's not.


I'd be surprised if he didn't sign an agreement that listed tracer as prohibitted.
2013-02-25 08:09:11 AM
1 votes:
See, this is why I'm of two minds about the 2nd amendment. If you enshrine the right for everybody to own and use guns, _everybody_ gets to use them, including the ones who are too dumb/dangerous/crazy to use one responsibly or safely.
2013-02-25 07:30:26 AM
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jnoel: 'Police kept onlookers at least a block away due to the threat of exploding munitions'

Brilliant.


That should be good enough. I once new an archeologist that did a lot of US Civil War digs, his basement had lots of unfired munitions and his house caught fire. He said it kept the fire deportment away for most of the day and night while his house burned.
2013-02-25 01:44:48 AM
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