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2013-02-25 04:09:22 AM

ladyfortuna: ExperianScaresCthulhu: blottoman: Remember back when they tried this crap with D&D?

except in this case. there's truth. but some crimes are more equal than others.

/it's the 'but that doesn't count!' game

[Citation Needed] and don't be feeding me those bullshiat studies funded by Focus On The Family or their ilk. Those guys are as biased as possible; they called me once and fed me this leading question "Don't you think R-Rated movies are terrible for children?"

When I said no and I like R-Rated movies and watched them when I was younger and turned out fine, he said "sorry, you're not who we're looking for" and hung up quickly.


White collar crime/non-violent crime is still a crime, is what I meant.  I was just thinking back to a conversation here on Fark recently about food stamp benefits, and poor homie who exchanged cash for food stamps but honestly never had it cross his mind that doing that was a crime... because it wasn't sticking a needle in the arm or committing armed robbery.

You know how folks who steal software and software registration codes online would never in a million years think of themselves as criminal?

I was also remembering one of the message boards I stumbled on with Eastern Europeans and Chinese, who honestly wondered why anyone thought it was a big deal that they engaged in pyramid schemes and a couple other online flim flams.  To them, money scams was just a way to pay the bills, and they felt they should be left alone.  It was just a job, no one was forced, no one got hurt.  It was just business.  I always figured that was how Nigerians and Ghanaians felt, too.

Well, online gaming has the same sort of 'soft crime', 'white collar crime', 'victimless crime' thing working in the background.  Always focusing on trying to find the next serial killer and feeling triumphant that they didn't appear, doesn't really help with the other types of crime which occur, usually without punishment.  Eventually, folks tell themselves that what they're doing isn't a crime, and even if it were it shouldn't be because no one gets hurt.

You know?

The 'It doesn't count' crimes.
 
2013-02-25 04:10:27 AM

red5ish: Video games don't make you violent.
You want a game that will make you violent? Try playing this one.
Make sure to sit right next to your girl friend. She will wish you dead. Or vise versa.
Either way, there will be no lovin.
[img339.imageshack.us image 300x411]


A good way to get alcohol poisoning is to make that a drinking game. 1 drink every time you get skipped will pretty much make sure you wake up in a puddle, underneath a coffee table, using your own shoe as a pillow.
 
2013-02-25 04:12:51 AM

South: Summary of TFA:  Every form of communication can be used to conspire, including this one we suppose.

ZOMFG our government must outlaw communication at once!!1!!


24.media.tumblr.com

/Chris Hansen still deserves that Congressional Medal of Honor
 
2013-02-25 04:20:51 AM

Mike_LowELL: anyone want too play me in call of duty my gamertag is sailormoonfan69


서성거리거나 헌금 경찰 체포 나 대신 나의 그들은 형식 한다면 어떻게 사람들하고 싶게 나의  내 게이머태그입니다 sailormoonfan69 입 닥치지 않았는데 my biatch 새로운 한  그들은 금지
 
2013-02-25 04:23:46 AM

namatad: KrispyKritter: Don't feel bad, parents. My sister & her hubby raised four children in a lovely home on a lakefront in a really low crime community with good schools; their kids attended Church always and they all graduated from good Catholic based colleges. And their youngest son wants to be a Cop.

/ breaks my farking heart

TADA
religion causes children to turn to the devil


Going on the content of so many of your posts, you are not well read and most of your education has gone to waste. More often than not I feel sympathy for you.
 
2013-02-25 04:29:35 AM
KrispyKritter:  Going on the content of so many of your posts, you are not well read and most of your education has gone to waste. More often than not I feel sympathy for you.

Is that a new Farkism that I smell?  If not, maybe I should go to the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-02-25 04:33:54 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: except in this case. there's truth.


I really don't think there is.
I haven't seen any credible evidence that the proliferation of violent video games has actually resulted in more violence, or that violent video games cause violent tendencies themselves.  Most of the arguments I've heard are pure unadulterated conjecture.  Sure some of it makes use of psychological terminology, but it is conjecture nonetheless.

Not that I was convinced that there wasn't a link, either.  I noticed that it simply specified crime rather than violent crime, which seemed like it might be an omission for the sake of argument enhancement.  But in fact in the process of checking the veracity of the data in the graph posted above I found that, according to DOJ data, violent crime has trended severely downward from 1994 all the way until today (perhaps coincidentally, one of the first really violent video games, DOOM, was released just at the end of 1993).  More pointedly, violent crime against youths age 12-17 has trended downward as well, and done so even more drastically than the general population.

Now I'm not discounting the possibility that a violent video game might, in individual cases, contribute to someone becoming more violent.  I'm sure you could find anecdotes.  But on the whole the effect must be incredibly tiny for violence to drop so much while video games proliferate so thoroughly.  I just really don't think that there is anything substantial to this video game hypothesis, and certainly it isn't severe enough to warrant censorship of them or any more laws than we already have with the ESRB ratings.
 
2013-02-25 04:39:48 AM
WARNING SIGNS?
 
2013-02-25 04:40:00 AM
And drugs. They lead to drugs too.

i321.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 04:40:27 AM
Oh, GTA. As much as I love to fark whores, kill them in entertainingly violent ways , laugh, then get my money back, I have yet to do so in real life.

Thank you, GTA.

/they're just whores, afterall
 
2013-02-25 04:43:55 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: why does crime have to be violent to count as a crime?


It doesn't, but the allegation is specifically against violent video games.
Are people now saying that violent video games cause embezzlement and identity theft, too?
 
2013-02-25 05:37:11 AM

red5ish: Video games don't make you violent.
You want a game that will make you violent? Try playing this one.
Make sure to sit right next to your girl friend. She will wish you dead. Or vise versa.
Either way, there will be no lovin.
[img339.imageshack.us image 300x411]


Uno led to me calling my grandma a coont.

Then she hit me with a root beer bottle.

That game is hardcore.
 
2013-02-25 05:40:33 AM
What a boring-looking place,
A bunch of squares,
s15.postimage.org
 
2013-02-25 06:06:13 AM
I love that they managed to label the XBox as "EVIL" with the evidence tape.  It's subliminally delicious.

thegazette.com
 
2013-02-25 06:11:53 AM

mike_d85: I love that they managed to label the XBox as "EVIL" with the evidence tape.  It's subliminally delicious.

[thegazette.com image 685x410]


Nice. I definitely didn't catch that.
 
2013-02-25 06:26:33 AM
Parents, beware these warning signs:
IF YOUR CHILD...
...is a bully
...enjoys following school rules, no matter how silly
...shows interest in becoming a hall monitor
...lies to avoid getting in trouble
...lies to get others in trouble unfairly

WATCH OUT!!! These are warning signs that your child may become a police officer. Abandon them immediately*!

/*do not abandon your children
 
2013-02-25 06:27:22 AM

starsrift: Gawdzila: ultraholland: Yeah, if your kid's a camper, chances are they're going to go on a killing spree against the most vulnerable targets. Parents, know the signs of camping before it gets out of hand.

F**k campers, I will find out where they live and kill them all.

A good camper is going to see you coming and have you in his scope before you know it. It's kind of their thing.


My dogtag collection says otherwise.

Although I never seem to get the impulse to spin people around and shove my ACB-90 into the soft spot under the chin while the last breath softly chuckles out of their useless, camping, bambi mouth.

/plays way too much BF3.
 
2013-02-25 06:35:16 AM

wildcardjack: I just watched American Psycho and, even though I've read the book, was the whole homicidal maniac thing just a personal fantasy or did he really get off scot free? It's been a while since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure he spends time consoling someone after her sister had been found... Well, let's just say it wouldn't make even a brown wrapper directors cut.


IIRC He had a confrontation with another business guy he thought he murdered in a restaurant.
 
2013-02-25 06:43:48 AM

Digipr0f69: wildcardjack: I just watched American Psycho and, even though I've read the book, was the whole homicidal maniac thing just a personal fantasy or did he really get off scot free? It's been a while since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure he spends time consoling someone after her sister had been found... Well, let's just say it wouldn't make even a brown wrapper directors cut.

IIRC He had a confrontation with another business guy he thought he murdered in a restaurant.


He was ex-term-inat-ed.
 
2013-02-25 06:48:50 AM
ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
50G - Rape a child
 
2013-02-25 06:59:34 AM

Maus III: Digipr0f69: wildcardjack: I just watched American Psycho and, even though I've read the book, was the whole homicidal maniac thing just a personal fantasy or did he really get off scot free? It's been a while since I read the book, but I'm pretty sure he spends time consoling someone after her sister had been found... Well, let's just say it wouldn't make even a brown wrapper directors cut.

IIRC He had a confrontation with another business guy he thought he murdered in a restaurant.

He was ex-term-inat-ed.


That's why I like the American Psycho mod for Fallout3. Gives a good use for all those fusion batteries.
 
2013-02-25 07:03:19 AM

KrispyKritter: Don't feel bad, parents. My sister & her hubby raised four children in a lovely home on a lakefront in a really low crime community with good schools; their kids attended Church always and they all graduated from good Catholic based colleges. And their youngest son wants to be a Cop.

/ breaks my farking heart


Well at least he doesn't want to be a priest.
 
2013-02-25 07:08:43 AM
fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-25 07:13:28 AM
Yea that 13 year old who is the highest level you can be on Battlefield 3 because he has nothing else to do and is yelling the n-word at me is a criminal mastermind.
 
2013-02-25 07:20:57 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Yea that 13 year old who is the highest level you can be on Battlefield 3 because he has nothing else to do and is yelling the n-word at me is a criminal mastermind.


There are tons of criminals, very few are masterminds.
 
2013-02-25 07:29:58 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: You know how folks who steal software and software registration codes online would never in a million years think of themselves as criminal?


Criminal copyright infringement requires profiting on a commercial scale... You know, like those guys selling pirated DVDs on the street corner... A kid downloading a pirated copy of a game, app, movie, or song is not committing a crime; they're committing a civil tort... So, they shouldn't think of themselves as criminals, because they're not...

/And, before you go accusing me of supporting piracy, I don't...
//I write software for a living...
 
2013-02-25 07:30:23 AM

red5ish: Video games don't make you violent.
You want a game that will make you violent? Try playing this one.
Make sure to sit right next to your girl friend. She will wish you dead. Or vise versa.
Either way, there will be no lovin.
[img339.imageshack.us image 300x411]


That was the only game that could ever make me think of punching my grandma.
She was freaking VICIOUS with that game.

/reverse back to me.
 
2013-02-25 07:33:38 AM
I'm a 34 year old man who plays too much Call Of Duty even though I'm not very good at it. The game actually makes me NOT want to go on a killing spree. Seriously, I can't even get a 10 kill streak before some kid blows my head off. With all the guns kids supposedly have at school I wouldn't last two minutes before one of them shoots me and calls me an offensive name while tea bagging me.
 
2013-02-25 07:38:56 AM

ultraholland: Yeah, if your kid's a camper, chances are they're going to go on a killing spree against the most vulnerable targets. Parents, know the signs of camping before it gets out of hand.


Teach them to go boosting instead, and after the funerals you can go on holiday.
 
2013-02-25 07:39:57 AM

The Muthaship: There are tons of criminals, very few are masterminds.


Hmmmm touche
 
2013-02-25 07:47:50 AM

Tat'dGreaser: The Muthaship: There are tons of criminals, very few are masterminds.

Hmmmm touche

 
2013-02-25 08:02:24 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Well, online gaming has the same sort of 'soft crime', 'white collar crime', 'victimless crime' thing working in the background. Always focusing on trying to find the next serial killer and feeling triumphant that they didn't appear, doesn't really help with the other types of crime which occur, usually without punishment. Eventually, folks tell themselves that what they're doing isn't a crime, and even if it were it shouldn't be because no one gets hurt.

You know?

The 'It doesn't count' crimes.


Spentmiles would be proud.
 
2013-02-25 08:11:49 AM

namatad: and are you telling me that all the hawt girls that I chat with in WOW are probably not actually girls??


They are G.I.R.L.s

Guys In Real Life
 
2013-02-25 08:20:41 AM

Slam Dunkz: namatad: and are you telling me that all the hawt girls that I chat with in WOW are probably not actually girls??

They are G.I.R.L.s

Guys In Real Life


you guys must be smart, i couldn't even FIGURE OUT how to chat to people in that game

as a result, i got a gf in real life (yeah she's real)
 
2013-02-25 08:24:44 AM

Slam Dunkz: namatad: and are you telling me that all the hawt girls that I chat with in WOW are probably not actually girls??

They are G.I.R.L.s

Guys In Real Life


Does it really matter what the gender of the other mundane is when you are jerking it to pixelated characters and text?

/curious.
//bi-curious
 
2013-02-25 08:26:31 AM
well, fark. Lil Bee is playing a Dora The Explorer game.... does that mean he's gonna run off to the rainforest and forget how to use his inside voice?
 
2013-02-25 08:31:14 AM
history repeats itself.  I remember the dungeons and dragons scare (see pat pulling) in the early 80's.  this is just the updated version of that mess.

Games are just games people
 
2013-02-25 08:32:42 AM
Iowa police warning parents that online video games are "a vehicle for criminal behavior" and insist that parents often miss "warning signs"

cause the 'rents are out in the barn cookin' up some meth?

Hey, it's Iowa, not like there's anything else to do.  Can't invade Kansas anymore, so that's out
 
2013-02-25 08:55:18 AM
I would bet that a larger percentage of criminals went to public school than played online video games.  Maybe we should ban public schools.  On a related note, they probably paid sales tax.  That should be banned, too.  Just in case.
 
2013-02-25 08:57:29 AM
As an avid player of Defcon, you'd better hope I don't start emulating my gaming behavior in real life.
 
2013-02-25 08:58:33 AM

Deoan: I would bet that a larger percentage of criminals went to public school than played online video games.  Maybe we should ban public schools.  On a related note, they probably paid sales tax.  That should be banned, too.  Just in case.


They also enjoy the dangerous drink dihydrogen monoxide.
 
2013-02-25 09:00:26 AM

red5ish: Video games don't make you violent.
You want a game that will make you violent? Try playing this one.
Make sure to sit right next to your girl friend. She will wish you dead. Or vise versa.
Either way, there will be no lovin.
[img339.imageshack.us image 300x411]


I luv UNO it is the easiest game to cheat on - you just slowly lose cards under your leg until you had none left -> WIN! :D
 
2013-02-25 09:03:00 AM

untaken_name: Deoan: I would bet that a larger percentage of criminals went to public school than played online video games.  Maybe we should ban public schools.  On a related note, they probably paid sales tax.  That should be banned, too.  Just in case.

They also enjoy the dangerous drink dihydrogen monoxide.


Ban it.  Ban it everywhere.  Especially in sizes over 16oz in New York City.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:21 AM
Oh boy, next we'll have to clamp down on video games because terrorists could do this too.
 
2013-02-25 09:06:45 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ladyfortuna: ExperianScaresCthulhu: blottoman: Remember back when they tried this crap with D&D?

except in this case. there's truth. but some crimes are more equal than others.

/it's the 'but that doesn't count!' game

[Citation Needed] and don't be feeding me those bullshiat studies funded by Focus On The Family or their ilk. Those guys are as biased as possible; they called me once and fed me this leading question "Don't you think R-Rated movies are terrible for children?"

When I said no and I like R-Rated movies and watched them when I was younger and turned out fine, he said "sorry, you're not who we're looking for" and hung up quickly.

White collar crime/non-violent crime is still a crime, is what I meant.  I was just thinking back to a conversation here on Fark recently about food stamp benefits, and poor homie who exchanged cash for food stamps but honestly never had it cross his mind that doing that was a crime... because it wasn't sticking a needle in the arm or committing armed robbery.

You know how folks who steal software and software registration codes online would never in a million years think of themselves as criminal?

I was also remembering one of the message boards I stumbled on with Eastern Europeans and Chinese, who honestly wondered why anyone thought it was a big deal that they engaged in pyramid schemes and a couple other online flim flams.  To them, money scams was just a way to pay the bills, and they felt they should be left alone.  It was just a job, no one was forced, no one got hurt.  It was just business.  I always figured that was how Nigerians and Ghanaians felt, too.

Well, online gaming has the same sort of 'soft crime', 'white collar crime', 'victimless crime' thing working in the background.  Always focusing on trying to find the next serial killer and feeling triumphant that they didn't appear, doesn't really help with the other types of crime which occur, usually without punishment.  Eventually, folks tell themselves that ...


ExperianScaresCthulhu: ladyfortuna: ExperianScaresCthulhu: blottoman: Remember back when they tried this crap with D&D?

except in this case. there's truth. but some crimes are more equal than others.

/it's the 'but that doesn't count!' game

[Citation Needed] and don't be feeding me those bullshiat studies funded by Focus On The Family or their ilk. Those guys are as biased as possible; they called me once and fed me this leading question "Don't you think R-Rated movies are terrible for children?"

When I said no and I like R-Rated movies and watched them when I was younger and turned out fine, he said "sorry, you're not who we're looking for" and hung up quickly.

White collar crime/non-violent crime is still a crime, is what I meant.  I was just thinking back to a conversation here on Fark recently about food stamp benefits, and poor homie who exchanged cash for food stamps but honestly never had it cross his mind that doing that was a crime... because it wasn't sticking a needle in the arm or committing armed robbery.

You know how folks who steal software and software registration codes online would never in a million years think of themselves as criminal?

I was also remembering one of the message boards I stumbled on with Eastern Europeans and Chinese, who honestly wondered why anyone thought it was a big deal that they engaged in pyramid schemes and a couple other online flim flams.  To them, money scams was just a way to pay the bills, and they felt they should be left alone.  It was just a job, no one was forced, no one got hurt.  It was just business.  I always figured that was how Nigerians and Ghanaians felt, too.

Well, online gaming has the same sort of 'soft crime', 'white collar crime', 'victimless crime' thing working in the background.  Always focusing on trying to find the next serial killer and feeling triumphant that they didn't appear, doesn't really help with the other types of crime which occur, usually without punishment.  Eventually, folks tell themselves that ...


I am not so sure a stupid tax should be considered a crime (thinking buying from gold farms.)

If you are making money out of your pirated software then yes, expect a knock at the door by the feds ... buts kids sharing a game they will play for a moment then forget ... meh.  If you are running a business and using pirated corporate software then you deserve everything you get.
 
2013-02-25 09:07:20 AM
Oops double quoted.
 
2013-02-25 09:13:17 AM

INeedAName: Pointy Tail of Satan: It's true though. I play Fallout 3 all the time, and I can't tell you how many real life feral ghouls and super mutants I've killed now. It's so bad, my picture is on the cover of the new DSM-V!

Try living in DC. I am forever pointing out spots to my wife where I killed different critters! People look at you funny when youre standing bynthe Washington monument talking about how you killed a few super mutants.


I played Assasin's Creed II and fell off a roof in Florence.

Then I killed the pope.
 
2013-02-25 09:33:51 AM

namatad: wait wait wait
a fark headline is misleading?


And the additional LULZ come from watching people respond without actually reading the article.
 
2013-02-25 09:35:45 AM
Iowa police warning "parents" that the Bible is a "vehicle for criminal behavior" and that they often miss warning signs.
 
2013-02-25 10:10:02 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ladyfortuna: ExperianScaresCthulhu: blottoman: Remember back when they tried this crap with D&D?

except in this case. there's truth. but some crimes are more equal than others.

/it's the 'but that doesn't count!' game

[Citation Needed] and don't be feeding me those bullshiat studies funded by Focus On The Family or their ilk. Those guys are as biased as possible; they called me once and fed me this leading question "Don't you think R-Rated movies are terrible for children?"

When I said no and I like R-Rated movies and watched them when I was younger and turned out fine, he said "sorry, you're not who we're looking for" and hung up quickly.

White collar crime/non-violent crime is still a crime, is what I meant.  I was just thinking back to a conversation here on Fark recently about food stamp benefits, and poor homie who exchanged cash for food stamps but honestly never had it cross his mind that doing that was a crime... because it wasn't sticking a needle in the arm or committing armed robbery.

You know how folks who steal software and software registration codes online would never in a million years think of themselves as criminal?

I was also remembering one of the message boards I stumbled on with Eastern Europeans and Chinese, who honestly wondered why anyone thought it was a big deal that they engaged in pyramid schemes and a couple other online flim flams.  To them, money scams was just a way to pay the bills, and they felt they should be left alone.  It was just a job, no one was forced, no one got hurt.  It was just business.  I always figured that was how Nigerians and Ghanaians felt, too.

Well, online gaming has the same sort of 'soft crime', 'white collar crime', 'victimless crime' thing working in the background.  Always focusing on trying to find the next serial killer and feeling triumphant that they didn't appear, doesn't really help with the other types of crime which occur, usually without punishment.  Eventually, folks tell themselves that ...



10/10. Probably the best troll I've seen in all my years on Fark. And you got a ton of bites too!

/golfclap
 
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