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2013-02-25 09:41:23 AM

jaylectricity: Horrible article. Show us the alignment in Conference Standings fashion.

I didn't want to waste a lot of time reading the paragraphs and trying to figure out who was moving where.


Moar PIcs less wurds
 
2013-02-25 09:42:02 AM
Don't add two more teams to even things out..eliminate two teams.
 
2013-02-25 09:45:26 AM

lacydog: [i29.photobucket.com image 850x700]

This is what the proposed map is, for reference. I dig it. I like the point made in the article about having Toronto, Boston, Montreal and Detroit be "draws" for the Florida teams. You could extend that argument to the New York teams, I suppose. But most alignment suggestions wouldn't put them together anyway. A four-team division with Florida, Tampa, Carolina and Nashville makes sense at some point. But you need expansion for that. Seattle/Portland and Hamilton/Quebec City are both good bets. Which could eventually lead to this:

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Except from a financial standpoint. Florida is already a struggling franchise, giving them less attractive opponents (and I say that with love, Smashville) is the next best thing to pulling the plug on them. That's assuming the proposed restructure happened first and your plan followed. The "four team division" proposal just sounds like geographical nitpicking. The proposal works well with foresight that the Panthers could find a new home in Ontario or Quebec at some point.
 
2013-02-25 09:52:25 AM

desertgeek: Conference 1: Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto (Call this an Eastern Conference?)

Thats Gonna Leave a Mark Conference

Conference 2: Carolina, Columbus, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington (Mid-Atlantic Conference?)
Crosby Conference

Conference 3: Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg (Central Conf.?)
Great Pains Conference

Conference 4: Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver (Western Conf.?)
Never on TV Conference
 
2013-02-25 10:00:54 AM

soopey: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: soopey: Problem solved:

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No way Flyers and Pens get moved to different divisions. They have the best rivalry in hockey right now.

I like the fact that that's your biggest gripe.

WTF Indeed: I'm still seeing hockey teams south of Virginia, so it's still not right.

Not on my map!


Flyers-Pens last week on NBC Sports Network drew one of the highest ratings ever for regular season game. The league will want there to be as many meetings between the two teams as possible.
 
2013-02-25 10:06:36 AM

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: soopey: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: soopey: Problem solved:

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No way Flyers and Pens get moved to different divisions. They have the best rivalry in hockey right now.

I like the fact that that's your biggest gripe.

WTF Indeed: I'm still seeing hockey teams south of Virginia, so it's still not right.

Not on my map!

Flyers-Pens last week on NBC Sports Network drew one of the highest ratings ever for regular season game. The league will want there to be as many meetings between the two teams as possible.


Pittsburgh and Detroit can start a new "Rust Belt Unemployment, Foreclosed Homes, and Decrepit Infrastructure Rivalry." No one will be able to afford to go to the games so the TV ratings will be very high.
 
2013-02-25 10:07:51 AM
All of the realignment proposals that the NHL has been working on start with the premise of moving Detroit to the Eastern conference. The problem is that it doesn't address the problem they have now that was caused by the Thrashers move to Winnipeg and forces absurd compromises (Florida and Canadian franchises in the same division?) in order to make the situation work. The easiest solution, simply move Nashville to the southeast and call it a day. Yes, there are other teams more East or more South that could be moved, but this keeps all of the Detroit, Chicago, St Louis historical rivalries in place. Leaving Chicago alone in the west as the only original six team is a very bad idea.

This looks like essentially the same plan the players association rejected last time, maybe they cleaned up the language regarding the playoffs and hope it will pass this time. It's still a turd, unless you're a Wings fan.
 
2013-02-25 10:19:32 AM
Please stop putting Minnesota in the Northwest.

/Wild fan
 
2013-02-25 10:19:39 AM

TheJoe03: It kind of sucks that Dallas will lost their west coast rivals, but Chicago, Nashville, and St Louis will probably be great rivalries.


I'd much rather see Chicago multiple times a year than the Ducks.

soopey: Problem solved:

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2013-02-25 10:36:38 AM
Here are the three options I posted on the hockey forum I run:


Easy solution:

Nashville to the southeast, Winnipeg to the central. Still a number of less than ideal situations, but the fewest number of moving parts.

Medium solution:

Nashville to the southeast, Minnesota to the central, Winnipeg to the Northwest

More involved:

Nashville to the southeast, Dallas to the central, Colorado to the Pacific and Winnipeg to the northwest.

I think they all make far more sense than what Detroit and the NHL are pushing.
 
2013-02-25 10:37:05 AM

animesucks: one star for a team in portland or seattle and one more team in canada.

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montreal and ottawa have to be in te same conf as toronto dummy
 
2013-02-25 10:47:11 AM

Ishkur: This is what I had awhile ago:

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You cannot realign to four divisions until you get two more expansion franchises (or lose two). Otherwise it's the Patrick Division all over again.

Either get Seattle and Quebec City, or lose Phoenix and Florida.

But either way, some teams are always going to be pissed that they aren't in the east. Nashville, Columbus and Detroit will have to draw straws.


Perfect. Swap Nashville and Columbus if that's how the politics shake out. Time zone wise, it might make more sense too.

I don't want these unbalanced divisions (I refuse to call them conferences), I don't want a divisional playoff. Expand to 32 and you can do the 4 division thing, until then, fark off and leave it as is, and just shuffle a few teams around.
 
2013-02-25 10:48:01 AM
A sensible realignment plan would be to eliminate two teams and resolve the situations currently in flux before doing anything.  I look forward to the next realignment plan, sometime in the year 2015.
 
2013-02-25 11:11:50 AM

WTF Indeed: I'm still seeing hockey teams south of Virginia Chicago, so it's still not right.


Fixed.
 
2013-02-25 11:14:23 AM

Jimmy Howard told the Detroit Free Press "The travel takes years off of all our lives."


Boo-farking-hoo.  fark you Jimmy Howard.

 
2013-02-25 11:17:19 AM

Tradition

flak attack: As a Pens fan, I say no.  I'm tired of being sold this idea that the Caps are our rivals.  Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shiat about that team and I don't want to hear more talk about them.  Throw them to the other Eastern group, send Detroit back west and we'll take the Preds.




Right, because they didn't spend 11 seasons in together in the Patrick division, or meet 8 times in the playoffs since 1991 (7 times between 91 and 01). And those were between some of the best teams either club has ever had. 8 times a season, plus first round of the playoffs, almost like clockwork. They most certainly were the Pens biggest rival. As much as I dislike the Flyers, it was always the Caps. Man, knocking the Washington out of the playoffs used to be tradition.

As a Pens fan, I miss that.

/Caps fans maybe not so much.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:04 AM
Why would Nashville make it into the East before Columbus? At least Columbus is in the eastern time zone. That east West travel is brutal. For the Florida teams to play against the Northeast teams wouldn't be so bad. North south travel is way way easier than crossing 3 time lines.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:28 AM
8/16 playoffs in the east, but 8/14 in the west? no thanks.
 
2013-02-25 11:28:24 AM

notsosilentbob: All of the realignment proposals that the NHL has been working on start with the premise of moving Detroit to the Eastern conference. The problem is that it doesn't address the problem they have now that was caused by the Thrashers move to Winnipeg and forces absurd compromises (Florida and Canadian franchises in the same division?) in order to make the situation work. The easiest solution, simply move Nashville to the southeast and call it a day. Yes, there are other teams more East or more South that could be moved, but this keeps all of the Detroit, Chicago, St Louis historical rivalries in place. Leaving Chicago alone in the west as the only original six team is a very bad idea.

This looks like essentially the same plan the players association rejected last time, maybe they cleaned up the language regarding the playoffs and hope it will pass this time. It's still a turd, unless you're a Wings fan.


This is an intended feature not a problem.  The amount of Habs and leafs fans that go down to Florida to watch their team play is absurd.  The NHL wouldn't probably refuse any realignment that does not have Florida/Tampa in the same division as the Canadian teams.
 
2013-02-25 11:28:45 AM

flak attack: As a Pens fan, I say no.  I'm tired of being sold this idea that the Caps are our rivals.  Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shiat about that team and I don't want to hear more talk about them.  Throw them to the other Eastern group, send Detroit back west and we'll take the Preds.


Are you new to hockey or something? You think the Pens/Caps rivalry is just about Sid vs. Ovie?

The Penguins have never won the Stanley Cup if they did not beat Washington in the playoffs that year.

April 24, 1996 was more of a rivalry defining game than the entire 7 game series in 2009.
 
2013-02-25 11:33:40 AM
As a St. Louis Blues fan I'd hate to see the Redwings go east since we also have a good rivalry: but it really does make sense travel and time zone wise.

Don't some of the west coast teams have 7:30pm local puck drops which means Redwings fans have to start watching the game at 10:30pm Eastern time?
 
2013-02-25 11:39:06 AM

mjohnson71: Don't some of the west coast teams have 7:30pm local puck drops which means Redwings fans have to start watching the game at 10:30pm Eastern time?


You could say the same thing about Nashville and Columbus fans but everyone knows that no one watches Preds or Jackets games.
 
2013-02-25 11:43:35 AM
3 Conf consisting of 10 (2x5) teams.

East1 - Mon, Tor, Ott, Buff, Bos
East2 - Pitt, Phi, NYR, NYI, NJD

Central1 - Det, Chi, StL, Nash, Clb
Central2 - Wash, Car, TB, Flo, Dal

West1 - Van, Edm, Cal, Win, Min
West 2 - Sj, LA, Anh, Phx, Col

6 divs x 5 teams.
Sked -
within div, 6 games x 4 teams = 24
within conf, not div, 4 games x 5 teams = 20
outside conf, 2 games x 20 teams = 40
84 game sked

Each of the 6 div winners get seeded 1-6...other 10 playoff teams based on points.
1st seed v 16th seed
2nd v 15th
etc.

This could mean Boston plays LA, Van, Anh and SJ in a playoff year but it also means that the Bruins could play the Habs for the cup...or Cal - Edm...etc.
 
2013-02-25 11:44:06 AM

Donnchadha: flak attack: As a Pens fan, I say no.  I'm tired of being sold this idea that the Caps are our rivals.  Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shiat about that team and I don't want to hear more talk about them.  Throw them to the other Eastern group, send Detroit back west and we'll take the Preds.

Are you new to hockey or something? You think the Pens/Caps rivalry is just about Sid vs. Ovie?

The Penguins have never won the Stanley Cup if they did not beat Washington in the playoffs that year.

April 24, 1996 was more of a rivalry defining game than the entire 7 game series in 2009.


God, that game was epic. Still should have gone the other way though...
 
2013-02-25 11:46:17 AM

meanmutton: mjohnson71: Don't some of the west coast teams have 7:30pm local puck drops which means Redwings fans have to start watching the game at 10:30pm Eastern time?

You could say the same thing about Nashville and Columbus fans but everyone knows that no one watches Preds or Jackets games.


Nashville is still central time zone.

As much as I hate the Redwings (and their fans) the team can go where it wants; that's their right as an original 6 team.
 
2013-02-25 11:51:58 AM
The regular season is a waste of time, so why not just play everybody home and away, take the top 24 teams into the playoffs.  Top 8 get a first round bye, first round is best of 3 for teams 9-24.
 
2013-02-25 11:54:23 AM

MugzyBrown: The regular season is a waste of time, so why not just play everybody home and away, take the top 24 teams into the playoffs.  Top 8 get a first round bye, first round is best of 3 for teams 9-24.


Why play hockey at all? Playoff seeding should be done through facebook likes.
 
2013-02-25 11:57:12 AM

Donnchadha: Why play hockey at all? Playoff seeding should be done through facebook likes.


This would be a 58 game schedule... so less random than what's being played this year.  You don't think you can figure out the top 24 teams in 58 games?
 
2013-02-25 11:58:28 AM
I can't stand uneven conference/division alignments.  It drove me mad for years with MLB but I at least could understand it because of the AL/NL thing.  But creating that situation when you have any number of alternatives on the table?  Fark that noise.

Besides, what's the point of any alignment plan when probably two of the teams on it have no chance of remaining where they are presently.  And there's still this insane talk of the NHL expanding again which I simply cannot farking believe.
 
2013-02-25 11:59:01 AM

MugzyBrown: Donnchadha: Why play hockey at all? Playoff seeding should be done through facebook likes.

This would be a 58 game schedule... so less random than what's being played this year.  You don't think you can figure out the top 24 teams in 58 games?


Why is that better than an 81 game season? This year is weird because of the lockout. I find it odd to say "I like hockey, but I would like to see less of it every year"
 
2013-02-25 12:00:15 PM

Donnchadha: MugzyBrown: Donnchadha: Why play hockey at all? Playoff seeding should be done through facebook likes.

This would be a 58 game schedule... so less random than what's being played this year.  You don't think you can figure out the top 24 teams in 58 games?

Why is that better than an 81 game season? This year is weird because of the lockout. I find it odd to say "I like hockey, but I would like to see less of it every year"


Ok, then why not a 120 game schedule?
 
2013-02-25 12:00:26 PM
As a Pacific Div team fan can I just say that I'm sick of hearing Detroit fans and players complain about travel?  Cry me a river, try playing on the West Coast.  And, the NHL COULD make a schedule that evens out team travel amongst all teams but it would never happen.  If one Eastern team had to make, heaven forbid, TWO trips out west, there'd be hell to pay
 
2013-02-25 12:03:52 PM
Just let the Original Dicks reunite in their little circlejerk and abolish the rest of the franchises.
 
2013-02-25 12:03:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: I can't stand uneven conference/division alignments.  It drove me mad for years with MLB but I at least could understand it because of the AL/NL thing.  But creating that situation when you have any number of alternatives on the table?  Fark that noise.

Besides, what's the point of any alignment plan when probably two of the teams on it have no chance of remaining where they are presently.  And there's still this insane talk of the NHL expanding again which I simply cannot farking believe.


Why not? They have guaranteed markets in Quebec and Toronto (2nd team), plus places like Seattle and KC to try out for any current teams that fail. It would be the last non Europe expansion, would bring in some cash lost during the lockout, and even up the division/conferences.
 
2013-02-25 12:05:09 PM
Don't get the Florida - New England connection unless they're trying to cash in on Florida immigrants from up north.  The east-west travel is the hardest, so just slice the teams up north-south.
 
2013-02-25 12:06:14 PM

TheOther: Just let the Original Dicks reunite in their little circlejerk and abolish the rest of the franchises.


After this stupid lockout, I'm inclined to agree.  See how much that jerk in Boston likes his NESN contract then.
 
2013-02-25 12:08:42 PM

MugzyBrown: Donnchadha: MugzyBrown: Donnchadha: Why play hockey at all? Playoff seeding should be done through facebook likes.

This would be a 58 game schedule... so less random than what's being played this year.  You don't think you can figure out the top 24 teams in 58 games?

Why is that better than an 81 game season? This year is weird because of the lockout. I find it odd to say "I like hockey, but I would like to see less of it every year"

Ok, then why not a 120 game schedule?


Why not? I'd like to see it, although you'd probably have a tough sell with the players union -- you'd have more luck expanding the playoffs to 12 teams/conference.

Expanding the season poses challenges related to the logistics of scheduling the games, making the season spread over too much time, player health and stamina, etc. You'd hear the same issues come up when talking about an 18 game NFL season. Contracting the season prevents teams from being able to make adjustments during the year -- you're not going to save player health by playing fewer games, since each game now represents a larger percentage of the total season. You'd find more players, and more "minor" players, pushing themselves harder to try and justify a bigger piece of less total ice time and risking injury to do it.
 
2013-02-25 12:10:29 PM

Donnchadha: Why not? I'd like to see it, although you'd probably have a tough sell with the players union -- you'd have more luck expanding the playoffs to 12 teams/conference.


Well I'd rather watch the players actually play at a high level rather than watching them sleepwalk through1/4+ of the season.

The more games, the more meaningless each game is.
 
2013-02-25 12:14:49 PM

MugzyBrown: Donnchadha: Why not? I'd like to see it, although you'd probably have a tough sell with the players union -- you'd have more luck expanding the playoffs to 12 teams/conference.

Well I'd rather watch the players actually play at a high level rather than watching them sleepwalk through1/4+ of the season.

The more games, the more meaningless each game is.


The problem with that, like I mentioned, is that you might push the superstars to give their A game every night, but you also push the journeymen and rookies beyond their limits. No superstar has ever won the Cup by themselves and if their team lacks chemistry because their second and third lines are revolving doors of injured players, that team is going nowhere in the playoffs.
 
2013-02-25 12:15:12 PM
Add a team in either Seattle or Portland then another team in Hamilton to make the league 32. Then have four 8-team divisions.
 
2013-02-25 12:17:49 PM

notsosilentbob: All of the realignment proposals that the NHL has been working on start with the premise of moving Detroit to the Eastern conference. The problem is that it doesn't address the problem they have now that was caused by the Thrashers move to Winnipeg and forces absurd compromises (Florida and Canadian franchises in the same division?) in order to make the situation work. The easiest solution, simply move Nashville to the southeast and call it a day. Yes, there are other teams more East or more South that could be moved, but this keeps all of the Detroit, Chicago, St Louis historical rivalries in place. Leaving Chicago alone in the west as the only original six team is a very bad idea.

This looks like essentially the same plan the players association rejected last time, maybe they cleaned up the language regarding the playoffs and hope it will pass this time. It's still a turd, unless you're a Wings fan.


Florida and Canadian teams being in the same division is not an absurd compromise.  It's almost by design.  Have you ever seen how many Quebec license plates exist in Florida in the winter?  It's absolutely stunning.  There is a very good reason that they're in the same conference, because half of Canada is already down there either part-time or permanently!
 
2013-02-25 12:25:25 PM

Donnchadha: The problem with that, like I mentioned, is that you might push the superstars to give their A game every night, but you also push the journeymen and rookies beyond their limits. No superstar has ever won the Cup by themselves and if their team lacks chemistry because their second and third lines are revolving doors of injured players, that team is going nowhere in the playoffs.


It's been readily apparent, especially in the last 10 years, how the Stanley Cup finalists are typically never the best teams but the healthiest.

That makes the playoffs not a grind of merit and heart but of luck (since most injuries are incidental).
 
2013-02-25 12:28:49 PM

mjohnson71: Add a team in either Seattle or Portland then another team in Hamilton to make the league 32. Then have four 8-team divisions.


You misspelled Quebec City.
 
2013-02-25 12:33:29 PM

Decillion: Why not? They have guaranteed markets in Quebec and Toronto (2nd team), plus places like Seattle and KC to try out for any current teams that fail. It would be the last non Europe expansion, would bring in some cash lost during the lockout, and even up the division/conferences.


I'm against expansion currently for several reasons.

First, there are several teams that won't last in their current locations.  I see no point in discussing it until that gets addressed.  What happens to Phoenix being the key question.  And I'm not certain about any of the locations you named.  A second team in Toronto or the surrounding area or in Quebec will only further complicate realignment....particularly if it's the Coyotes.  Seattle is up in the air depending on the NBA.  And KC has been mentioned for years and never gone anywhere and seems the least likely of the four to be a good destination.

Second, what's the long term viability of some of the current franchises?  Are the Panthers really going to be around in 5 years (in Florida anyway).  What about the Blue Jackets or Hurricanes?  Or Nashville?

Finally, to be frank this is the NHL and it will almost certainly fark it up.  We've already see one recent expansion team in Atlanta come and go (for the second time).  And it was moved to Winnipeg to replace a team that moved to Phoenix that's now going to move again!

Personally I'd probably feel better about everything if Gary Bettman was just hit by a bus.  And by everything I'm not just talking about expansion or the NHL.  I'm talking about life in general.
 
2013-02-25 12:39:38 PM

kenfury: mjohnson71: Add a team in either Seattle or Portland then another team in Hamilton to make the league 32. Then have four 8-team divisions.

You misspelled Quebec City.


Fair enough. So add two teams and move Phoenix.
 
2013-02-25 12:39:59 PM
So unbalanced is sensible subby? Central division will be the least televised division in sports. Good bye hockey night in Canada Jets fans because we'll be playing the other Canadian teams twice a year at best. Seriously, will any game other than Jets vs Hawks be nationally televised? Doubtful. Fark you Bell, I'm not paying to watch my local team.
 
2013-02-25 12:41:47 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Personally I'd probably feel better about everything if Gary Bettman was just hit by a bus. And by everything I'm not just talking about expansion or the NHL. I'm talking about life in general.


I'd be content with sending him to someplace in Siberia. Yakutsk, maybe?

Then again, I doubt the KHL would appreciate his presence in Russia.
 
2013-02-25 12:48:28 PM

ElwoodCuse: This plan is just as stupid as before. Hey NHL: 30 isn't divisible by 4. Knock it off with the 4 unbalanced divisions crap. Because your inevitable solution to that morass will be "hey! two more teams! BRILLIANT!"


Then contract Florida and Columbus. Problem solved (except for the Panther and Blue Jacket fans in this thread who will now be calling for my summary execution....).

Alternatively, add a team in Seattle or Portland and one more in Canada somewhere.
 
2013-02-25 12:54:12 PM

Watubi: As a Pacific Div team fan can I just say that I'm sick of hearing Detroit fans and players complain about travel?  Cry me a river, try playing on the West Coast.  And, the NHL COULD make a schedule that evens out team travel amongst all teams but it would never happen.  If one Eastern team had to make, heaven forbid, TWO trips out west, there'd be hell to pay


It isn't just about the travel, farkwad. It's also about how us Detroiters live in the Eastern Time Zone, and have to deal with games starting at 10pm or 10:30pm way too frequently. Contrary to what idiots like to say, we do have jobs over here. We do have to wake up early in the morning to go to these jobs. We can't just be up all night watching hockey. And it gets ten times worse in the playoffs if games go into overtime.

Ooh, you like the Pacific. Where you can pretty much watch every game played on TV without messing up your sleep schedule. Your teams rarely travel out East. Most of the teams you play are relatively close. Boo hoo. You're right, you have it so much worse.
 
2013-02-25 12:56:36 PM

tnpir: Then contract Florida and Columbus. Problem solved (except for the Panther and Blue Jacket fans in this thread who will now be calling for my summary execution....).

Alternatively, add a team in Seattle or Portland and one more in Canada somewhere.


I'd be ok with two less teams...then again a team name like the Portland Hipsters does have a nice ring to it.
 
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