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(Sports Illustrated)   The NHL actually comes up with a sensible realignment plan   (nhl.si.com) divider line 159
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2013-02-24 10:24:17 PM  
That does make sense. I have never supported moving Bruins into the same division with the Rangers, Islanders, and Devils as some plans suggested, because the truth is Hockey is the one sport where New York and Boston really don't have a rivalry.
 
2013-02-24 11:03:54 PM  
What a surprise, the loser is pretty clearly Nashville.  Our rivals are the Red Wings.  Any Predators fan will tell you our first and biggest rivals are the Red Wings.  It's something they cultivated from the start, and several playoff series solidified.  But hey, fark over Tennessee, the fanbase is central to the state, so the NHL can pretend we don't exist.
 
2013-02-25 12:00:40 AM  
Horrible article. Show us the alignment in Conference Standings fashion.

I didn't want to waste a lot of time reading the paragraphs and trying to figure out who was moving where.
 
2013-02-25 12:27:54 AM  

jaylectricity: Horrible article. Show us the alignment in Conference Standings fashion.

I didn't want to waste a lot of time reading the paragraphs and trying to figure out who was moving where.


Or a farking map. Map of US/Canada. One color for current alignment, another color for new alignment. Duh. Do I have to think of everything?

/i liek maps
 
2013-02-25 12:34:19 AM  
As a Wings fan, I like it.
 
2013-02-25 12:42:58 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: As a Wings fan, I like it.


I second that.
 
2013-02-25 12:47:53 AM  
As a wings fan, I like it.  The faux rivalry with Nashville never really interested me.
 
2013-02-25 12:53:16 AM  
As a Pens fan, I say no.  I'm tired of being sold this idea that the Caps are our rivals.  Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shiat about that team and I don't want to hear more talk about them.  Throw them to the other Eastern group, send Detroit back west and we'll take the Preds.
 
2013-02-25 12:53:34 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: As a Wings fan, I like it.


Fourthed. I'll be sad to be losing the rivalry with Chicago, just like I was when we lost the games with Toronto, but the chance to play against Montreal, Toronto and Boston on a regular basis is just too cool for words. I feel for Nashville (as much as you can feel for an expansion team), but this is a good move.
 
2013-02-25 12:55:39 AM  
So ultimately there are more teams we see six times and fewer teams we see more than twice.

I vastly prefer it how it is now but I guess they want to reduce travel.
 
2013-02-25 12:56:22 AM  

Di Atribe: jaylectricity: Horrible article. Show us the alignment in Conference Standings fashion.

I didn't want to waste a lot of time reading the paragraphs and trying to figure out who was moving where.

Or a farking map. Map of US/Canada. One color for current alignment, another color for new alignment. Duh. Do I have to think of everything?

/i liek maps


Conference 1: Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto (Call this an Eastern Conference?)

Conference 2: Carolina, Columbus, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington (Mid-Atlantic Conference?)

Conference 3: Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg (Central Conf.?)

Conference 4: Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver (Western Conf.?)

The big change I'd make is put Colorado in #4 because that makes geographic sense and time zone sense (Denver is Mountain time, like Alberta and Phoenix during the winter). Downside is you'd probably have to put Detroit back into Conference #3, but that would maintain the Wings-Hawks rivalry.

Also, if they go with this proposal; that makes it kind of hard to move a team/expand into places like Quebec or southern Ontario. But it does leave open expansion into Seattle or Kansas City or Houston.
 
2013-02-25 01:00:10 AM  
As a 'hawks Fan, how the hell are we losing Detroit?
 
2013-02-25 01:07:09 AM  
Any re-alignment that puts the Blue Jackets in the east I will support. All that travel is killer, plus they actually a winning record against East teams

The NHLPA will still raise a fit about 8/16 teams in the playoffs from the east and 8/14 in the west. I say do away with conferences all together and seed 1-16 based on total points.
 
2013-02-25 01:21:53 AM  
This plan is just as stupid as before. Hey NHL: 30 isn't divisible by 4. Knock it off with the 4 unbalanced divisions crap. Because your inevitable solution to that morass will be "hey! two more teams! BRILLIANT!"

Piss on divisional playoffs too, that also creates unfair imbalances

Just switch Winnipeg and Nashville and keep everything else the damn same.
 
2013-02-25 01:37:52 AM  
it is usually substantially tougher to make the playoffs in the western conference, so i don't have a problem with the western conference having fewer teams
 
2013-02-25 01:46:35 AM  
one star for a team in portland or seattle and one more team in canada.

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2013-02-25 02:01:07 AM  
Only thing I'd like to see differently is one of the teams from Florida in with the Pens.  We typically have good luck against them.  However, I'm sure the smart folks in charge of the NHL will deal with a realignment plan in a smart way.
 
2013-02-25 02:09:54 AM  

GAT_00: What a surprise, the loser is pretty clearly Nashville.  Our rivals are the Red Wings.  Any Predators fan will tell you our first and biggest rivals are the Red Wings.  It's something they cultivated from the start, and several playoff series solidified.  But hey, fark over Tennessee, the fanbase is central to the state, so the NHL can pretend we don't exist.


I live in Tennessee and as far as I'm concerned, the Preds don't exist. They pretty much copied the Wings style of play. If ya can't beat 'em, clone 'em.

/Go Wings
 
2013-02-25 02:21:57 AM  

animesucks: one star for a team in portland or seattle and one more team in canada.

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no way n hell toronto doesnt join a canadian team loaded division.

i guess the NHL is not expecting the yotes to move to quebec.  youd think theyd anticipate any relocations.

then again, everyone predicts a second ontario team and a quebec team, so this plan goes nowhere.

cripes, and is anyone else hating the return of divisional playoffs?  having to see the same gd team every year?  thats boring as fark.
 
2013-02-25 03:05:55 AM  
So... you're happy with a 16/14 conference split? Because MLB just went to a lot of effort to get rid of theirs.
 
2013-02-25 03:48:01 AM  

Gosling: So... you're happy with a 16/14 conference split? Because MLB just went to a lot of effort to get rid of theirs.


It's an 8-8-7-7 conference split.  A New York team would wind up playing a Florida team the exact same number of times as it would an L.A. team.
 
2013-02-25 04:22:57 AM  

animesucks: one star for a team in portland or seattle and one more team in canada.


What happened to Phoenix? ...they move to Portland?

You have 31 teams there including the stars.
 
2013-02-25 04:27:55 AM  
This is what I had awhile ago:

www.ishkur.com

You cannot realign to four divisions until you get two more expansion franchises (or lose two). Otherwise it's the Patrick Division all over again.

Either get Seattle and Quebec City, or lose Phoenix and Florida.

But either way, some teams are always going to be pissed that they aren't in the east. Nashville, Columbus and Detroit will have to draw straws.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:10 AM  

Ishkur: This is what I had awhile ago:

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You cannot realign to four divisions until you get two more expansion franchises (or lose two). Otherwise it's the Patrick Division all over again.

Either get Seattle and Quebec City, or lose Phoenix and Florida.

But either way, some teams are always going to be pissed that they aren't in the east. Nashville, Columbus and Detroit will have to draw straws.


your map is logical
therefore it could never happen

esp since six divisons would make their heads explode
yes I am sure that a playoff schedule, with wildards could trivially be created
 
2013-02-25 04:40:30 AM  
desertgeek:
Conference 1: 8 7 teams : Boston, Buffalo, Detroit, Florida, Montreal, Ottawa, Tampa Bay, Toronto (Call this an Eastern Conference?)

Conference 2: 8 teams: Carolina, Columbus, New Jersey, NY Islanders, NY Rangers, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington (Mid-Atlantic Conference?)

Conference 3: 7 teams:  Detroit,
 Chicago, Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota, Nashville, St. Louis, Winnipeg (Central Conf.?)

Conference 4: 8 teams:  Colorado,Anaheim, Calgary, Edmonton, Los Angeles, Phoenix, San Jose, Vancouver (Western Conf.?)


so yah ....
this one makes infinitely more sense.
plus you now have two 15 team halves, which could be used to create a simpler playoff schedule

LOL
idiots

I would love to know what kind of backroom games went into the other arrangement.
 
2013-02-25 04:48:01 AM  
It's marginally better than the previous version, mostly for my preference that Colorado not be stuck with the Pacific coast teams as that means even later start times than what they've got now. But you're still dealing with the fact that some conferences have 7 teams and others have 8. At least in the earlier plan it seemed built on the assumption of expansion in the east. Is that assumption now in the west? It's all but a given that Quebec City will get a team. Are they going to realign again in 2-3 years?

I guess I just don't see the need for a massive overhaul. I know Detroit has been moaning about being in the west, and teams have travel complaints, but when you're way out west you're going to be flying a lot more than an Atlantic team. I say flip Nashville and Winnipeg for now, and save any big changes for when expansion actually happens.
 
2013-02-25 05:19:48 AM  
It kind of sucks that Dallas will lost their west coast rivals, but Chicago, Nashville, and St Louis will probably be great rivalries.
 
2013-02-25 05:51:08 AM  
I still think they should scrap the Divisions and go to East-West conferences with home at home games for everyone. Playoffs go East-West pairings eliminating the travel bias. Ridiculous that fans get to see teams from the other conference once a year, maybe.
 
2013-02-25 05:55:00 AM  
i29.photobucket.com

This is what the proposed map is, for reference. I dig it. I like the point made in the article about having Toronto, Boston, Montreal and Detroit be "draws" for the Florida teams. You could extend that argument to the New York teams, I suppose. But most alignment suggestions wouldn't put them together anyway. A four-team division with Florida, Tampa, Carolina and Nashville makes sense at some point. But you need expansion for that. Seattle/Portland and Hamilton/Quebec City are both good bets. Which could eventually lead to this:

i29.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 06:12:56 AM  
I don't have a lot of faith in the league or Bettman to do this correctly. I believe that as soon as Detroit gets moved to the east they will get moved back fairly quickly. I also think Detroit needs to know asap so we can make smart trades coming up as we are too small and not physical enough to play in the east.
 
2013-02-25 06:24:29 AM  
As a sabres and redwings fan this excites me being able to see Detroit more often

As a sabres fan this makes me cry because we are bad enough without a powerhouse team like Detroit
 
2013-02-25 06:29:26 AM  

frozenhotchocolate: Popcorn Johnny: As a Wings fan, I like it.

I second that.


I love it.  I miss the Leafs...and not because they suck now...it was always a bitter rivalry.  I'd love to watch the Wings play the Leafs 6-8 times a year again.  Ever since our heated rivalry with the Avalanche cooled off we really don't have anyone to hate.
 
2013-02-25 07:06:13 AM  
I think the realignment makes a lot of sense.  I'd get to go see my Avs play in Nashville and then there's an open slot in that conference for another expansion team here in Atlanta.

/It's still real to me, damn it!
 
2013-02-25 07:11:33 AM  

animesucks: one star for a team in portland or seattle and one more team in canada. Maine

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2013-02-25 07:52:56 AM  
As a Wings fan, I will enjoy our Triple Overtime playoff games better when I don't have to stay up until 3am to watch them on a work night - at least until the Cup Finals, at which point I don't mind staying up late.

There is something to be said for not having to constantly play evening games 3 time zones off. It's easier to head east than it is heading west for a team's stamina. Also, now that the Avs are no longer a credible rivalry, we will have far fewer games at altitude.

I can see the Red Wings thriving in the East.
 
2013-02-25 08:02:29 AM  
FTFA:

And while it would mean extra travel for Florida and Tampa Bay, the plan would bring marquee opponents to these attendance trouble spots on a regular basis.

The Lightning are 7th in attendance. This is an attendance trouble spot?  Or is SI thinking the team is still owned by the "Saw" movie franchise producer?  Move Nashville to the SE division and Winnipeg to the Central.
 
2013-02-25 08:23:54 AM  
Back when the conferences and divisions were named after people, not regions, it did not matter that the league flunked geography.
 
2013-02-25 08:32:52 AM  
I don't want to hear Columbus fans (do they have any?) or Nashville fans biatching about wanting to move East. As a Wings fan, I have been dealing with this western conference nonsense a heck of a lot longer than you have.

Oh Chicago fans, cry more about losing your rivalry with Detroit. Or as it really is, your benchmark for success.

Oh teams out west who have crappy teams who can't pull in solid attendance numbers, cry about how Detroit not coming out more will lead to poor attendance. Hey, get a better team that will make people come to games.

I am sick to death of 10 or 10:30 pm start times for half of the games of my home team. It doesn't make any damn sense. Move Detroit to where a large majority of their games are played in the Eastern Time Zone, as that is the time zone Detroit is actually in.

You whiners out west will still get Detroit coming to your arena once a season, so stop complaining.
 
2013-02-25 08:33:03 AM  
Problem solved:

i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-25 08:34:29 AM  
It's certainly the best that I've seen proposed on a realistic level (from the NHL rather than just us on a board kicking things around).  I really like that the two Florida teams are going to be in the Northern/Canadian conference.  Much of their local fan base is retirees who moved down from up there.  More important than that though is that it breaks up the generally really weak SE division.

That said, namatad's moving of Detroit & Colorado around makes even more sense & I'd rather see that be the way things end up.
 
2013-02-25 08:34:49 AM  
I'm going to miss the Red Wings rivalry, but that's been cooling off lately and St. Louis has been heating up. Still, it means the Hawks will rarely get to play other Original Six teams outside of the playoffs.
 
2013-02-25 08:35:05 AM  

GAT_00: What a surprise, the loser is pretty clearly Nashville.  Our rivals are the Red Wings.  Any Predators fan will tell you our first and biggest rivals are the Red Wings.  It's something they cultivated from the start, and several playoff series solidified.  But hey, fark over Tennessee, the fanbase is central to the state, so the NHL can pretend we don't exist.


Poor Preds and their whopping 14 years of history :'(
 
2013-02-25 08:51:50 AM  
Separating Detroit and Chicago is a terrible idea.  The three conferences not on the Pacific Coast need to have two of the Original Six paired up.  Wings/Hawks, Leafs/Habs, Rangers/Bruins.
 
2013-02-25 08:52:06 AM  
No Hawks - Redwings? Try again.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:55 AM  
If the NHL wants this set up so bad, the only major issue I have is with the Florida teams having no close rivals. I would set up the east to look like this:

Div 1 - Rangers, Islanders, Devils, Flyers, Caps, 'Canes, Lightning, Panthers
DIV 2 - Bruins, Habs, Sens, Leafs, Sabres, Red Wings, Jackets, Penguins

I realize I put the Pens in the "great lakes" division. Pittsburgh's closest geographic rival is actually Columbus and Buffalo and Detroit are each closer than Philly.

Of course, under these plans there's the inherent unfairness of Eastern Conference teams having longer playoff odds every year.
 
2013-02-25 09:13:01 AM  

soopey: Problem solved:

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No way Flyers and Pens get moved to different divisions. They have the best rivalry in hockey right now.
 
2013-02-25 09:14:13 AM  
I'm still seeing hockey teams south of Virginia, so it's still not right.
 
2013-02-25 09:24:08 AM  
One 30-team league.

2 games against each other team (29 home, 29 away)
3rd game against 24 of 29 other teams on a rotating basis (12 home, 12 away)

Top 16 make the playoffs regardless of geography.
Everyone has an almost identical schedule. At most you will have 5 games different than any other team.

Screw the people that want to sell "divisional champions" hats.  Anyone who buys a divisional championship hat deserves to be cockpunched anyway.

So the conference championship trophies go away - so what, none of the players want to touch them anyway.
 
2013-02-25 09:27:20 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: soopey: Problem solved:

[i48.tinypic.com image 761x374]

No way Flyers and Pens get moved to different divisions. They have the best rivalry in hockey right now.


I like the fact that that's your biggest gripe.

WTF Indeed: I'm still seeing hockey teams south of Virginia, so it's still not right.


Not on my map!
 
2013-02-25 09:37:56 AM  
Here's another Red Wings fan who likes the new alignment.  Any plan that reduces the number of times Detroit has to travel out west and increasing the games we have against members of the original six is fine by me.

And I never looked upon Nashville as a rivalry.
 
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