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2013-02-24 09:13:27 PM
They didn't even tack on a charge for stealing David Byrne's jacket. Justice has not been done.
 
2013-02-24 09:27:34 PM
Jesus Christ, there should be a 15-year sentence just for being so criminally stupid.
 
2013-02-24 10:00:44 PM
"Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger."

"Assistant Prosecutor Dan Buscher said the investigation shows the men played the game hundreds of times."


And we're just reading about this now?  I'm surprised they all lived for as long as they did.
 
2013-02-24 10:44:20 PM
"And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.


There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.
 
2013-02-25 12:26:32 AM
As the man killed volunteered for this sh*t I hope the time this guy is serving is for "felon in possession." If society tells you you're too stupid to handle a firearm you better pay attention.

Which is to say, I hope he would be serving nearly as much time had his friend only been injured.
 
2013-02-25 12:26:46 AM
www.mediabistro.com

It's always the mundane details...
 
2013-02-25 12:28:19 AM

MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.


Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.
 
2013-02-25 12:47:43 AM

MisterTweak: There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.


Exactly.

Which is why this crime didn't actually happen.

The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Therefore, this story must have been planted for political propaganda.
 
2013-02-25 01:00:22 AM
The gun is NEVER loaded. Always point the gun at anything and everything.

Lessons 1 and 2 of proper use.
 
2013-02-25 01:10:30 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The gun is NEVER loaded. Always point the gun at anything and everything.

Lessons 1 and 2 of proper use.


And always make sure there are plenty of people behind what you're shooting at so the bullet can only travel but so far before being stopped by one of them.

But seriously, I had a friend who owned a semi-auto. One time I saw him test whether the safety was working with these steps:

1. Load full magazine.

2. Chamber round.

3. Engage safety.

4. Point gun at concrete floor while surrounded by people and attempt to pull trigger.

Yeah, "had a friend".
 
2013-02-25 01:55:11 AM
But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?
How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?
WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans
 
2013-02-25 01:58:50 AM

namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?


It wasn't. RTFA, maybe?
 
2013-02-25 04:21:59 AM

Sid_6.7: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't. RTFA, maybe?


herpa derpa
it was a farking rhetorical question FFS
did you not read the questions I posed on either side of the one you commented on?
LOLOLOL

as a collection, they form a set of rhetoric
I realize that this is fark and you are a moron. but still.
 
2013-02-25 04:30:20 AM

Sid_6.7: 4. Point gun at concrete floor while surrounded by people and attempt to pull trigger.

Yeah, "had a friend".


I'm sorry for your loss.
 
2013-02-25 04:34:47 AM
"If you looK in the mirror that is your world."That has to be one of the stupidest things to come out of a judges mouth.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:49 AM
Someone PLEASE post that Corkey/retard pic with the caption that reads "Hmmm....interesting."
 
2013-02-25 04:37:20 AM
I keep tootsie rolls in the chamber of my rifle.  Only chocolate though, the other flavors are much softer and get mush in the star chamber.  Also, if you need to clean your barrel, just pour a little lighter fluid down and set ablaze.  And don't use the flash suppressor to pick your teeth more than once a day.
 
2013-02-25 04:38:54 AM

namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?


It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?
 
2013-02-25 04:50:09 AM
cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com

I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.
 
2013-02-25 04:51:17 AM
I'd like to know how many lawful gun owners, and how many friends of lawful gun owners, think that you can point a gun or rifle at anything you want and pull the trigger as long as you are sure it is empty.

I would really like to know that percentage as we move forward with the discussion.

Estimates welcomed.
 
2013-02-25 04:52:45 AM
FTFA: "I truly believe it was an accident but what I don't understand is why does someone put a bullet in the chamber of a gun and show a lack of respect intelligence by pointing a loaded gun at a good friend and pulls the trigger."

FTFY.
 
2013-02-25 04:54:39 AM

doglover: Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


What's the point of having a right to keep and bear arms against an oppressive government if the government can disarm anyone they want by making them criminals. Either the right exists or it doesn't.
 
2013-02-25 04:57:41 AM

jtown: I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.


This is not my beautiful wife....
 
Skr
2013-02-25 05:00:52 AM
Ah one of the classic blunders. Right up there with getting involved in a land war in Asia.
 
2013-02-25 05:07:42 AM
The judge said "and you have many good qualities"

Including: one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving

Upstanding citizen!
 
2013-02-25 05:09:12 AM

OhioUGrad: multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving


That could be one day.
 
2013-02-25 05:09:38 AM
Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.

These kinds of idiots are the reason the bar for being pulled over for reckless driving/drunk driving is so low and your lawnmower has to have a warning sticker not to shove your arm underneath while it's running, people do stupid things with dangerous gear with astonishing frequency and no regard for the safety of others.  Not just with guns or cars, but with farking everything remotely dangerous.
 
2013-02-25 05:13:37 AM
Alcohol + Firearm=Darwin Wins.
 
2013-02-25 05:23:09 AM
 
2013-02-25 05:31:09 AM
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-25 05:38:42 AM

Another Government Employee: Alcohol + Firearm=Darwin Wins.




If not for the firearm, these men would be out there trying to have sex with our daughters and pass on their stupid to the next generation.
 
2013-02-25 05:54:02 AM

way south: Another Government Employee: Alcohol + Firearm=Darwin Wins.

If not for the firearm, these men would be out there trying to have sex with our daughters and pass on their stupid to the next generation.


So THAT's what they're aiming for with that Guns In Bars bill in alabama or some similar red state!
 
2013-02-25 05:54:48 AM
We have to ban potato clips.
 
2013-02-25 05:57:13 AM
That wasn't just sporting stupid, it was assault stupid.
 
2013-02-25 06:00:19 AM

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing"


While it's certainly possible to create definitions that separate these things, I'm not sure that's really a useful distinction to make.
In fact it really seems purely academic; it kind of misses the point.


Jim_Callahan: people do stupid things with dangerous gear with astonishing frequency and no regard for the safety of others.


And that's why.  The bigger more important point is that people will do stupid things, period.  It is a statistical guarantee, and any discussion must take that reality into account.  THAT is really the argument of the people who talk about firearms accidents, and defining the word "accident" out of the argument doesn't make those accidental (or negligent) deaths go away, or even make them any less relevant.

The thing is, people don't even have to be complete idiots to do it.  It's just a fact of life that familiarity can create carelessness.  The longer people live with firearms without incident, the more likely they are to treat them as relatively harmless and the more likely they are to take unsafe "shortcuts" or do careless things while handling or storing them.  It's easy to write all these incidents off as people being complete morons, and in some cases (like this one) they blatantly are, but in a lot of cases it is really just the inevitable consequences of a lot of people taking little risks with familiar firearms.
 
2013-02-25 06:11:42 AM

Gawdzila: Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing"

While it's certainly possible to create definitions that separate these things, I'm not sure that's really a useful distinction to make.
In fact it really seems purely academic; it kind of misses the point.


Well, an accident is nobody's fault.  Negligence is still your fault even if you didn't intend that specific possible result of your reckless behavior to occur.

It's more a legal distinction than an academic one.  You can be punished for negligence (and should), but not for accidents.  Sure, the distinction doesn't bring people on the wrong end of these things back to life (or replace their missing limbs, or undo their concussion or whatever) but it discourages people from doing stupid shiat to a degree, since they can't adopt an attitude of "wasn't my fault" about it.

//I'm somewhat confused by your implication that this is somehow exceptional in its inability to rewind time.  Are most other legal definitions and distinctions executed from a Tardis nowadays or something?
 
2013-02-25 06:17:16 AM
Well, at least they weren't playing violent video games.
 
2013-02-25 06:22:52 AM

Gawdzila: The thing is, people don't even have to be complete idiots to do it. It's just a fact of life that familiarity can create carelessness. The longer people live with firearms cars without incident, the more likely they are to treat them as relatively harmless and the more likely they are to take unsafe "shortcuts" or do careless things while handling or storing them. It's easy to write all these incidents off as people being complete morons, and in some cases (like this one) they blatantly are, but in a lot of cases it is really just the inevitable consequences of a lot of people taking little risks with familiar firearms cars.


I agree. We should limit people's ability to own and operate motor vehicles.
 
2013-02-25 06:24:07 AM
Fark tag is incorrect. Correct tag is "Darwin Wins"
 
2013-02-25 06:27:09 AM
Burroughs already did it,don't play drunken William tell with your wife.
/I kinda think he murdered her and it wasn't an accident.
 
2013-02-25 06:32:26 AM

A Terrible Human: Burroughs already did it,don't play drunken William tell with your wife.
/I kinda think he murdered her and it wasn't an accident.


According to Burroughs, there are no accidents.
 
2013-02-25 06:40:34 AM

Smoking GNU: way south: Another Government Employee: Alcohol + Firearm=Darwin Wins.

If not for the firearm, these men would be out there trying to have sex with our daughters and pass on their stupid to the next generation.

So THAT's what they're aiming for with that Guns In Bars bill in alabama or some similar red state!




At least they're sticking with a theme.
You can't be all for personal responsibility and then back down when someone makes a bad decision.
 
2013-02-25 06:43:33 AM
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shiat, if I didn't want to get shot, I would have moved out the way.
 
2013-02-25 06:44:17 AM

doglover: We have to ban potato clips.


But how will I shovel cleddar cleese dip into my facehole?
 
2013-02-25 06:47:19 AM
I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...
 
2013-02-25 06:47:40 AM

Benjamin Orr: jtown: I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.

This is not my beautiful wife....


same as it ever was.
 
2013-02-25 06:56:16 AM
Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!
 
2013-02-25 06:56:29 AM

doglover: I agree. We should limit people's ability to own and operate motor vehicles


You are, of course, correct that cars can be dangerous and sometimes people use them carelessly.
I wasn't overlooking that fact, though, so I'm not sure why the point needed to be made.  After all, we DO limit people's ability to own and operate motor vehicles.  That's why, for instance, having a drivers license is a privilege and not a right, it's why we have police and highway patrol to actively enforce traffic laws, that's why your license can be taken away if you do reckless things, and why we have constant discussions about, and revisions of, the laws that determine safety standards for the cars we drive.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that I'm arguing for particular gun control regulations on that basis.
You'll note that at no point did I make any such suggestion.  I merely offered that making distinctions between "accidents" and "negligence" wasn't necessarily useful when discussing the possible merits or drawbacks of whatever legislation may come under debate.


Jim_Callahan: Well, an accident is nobody's fault. Negligence is still your fault even if you didn't intend that specific possible result of your reckless behavior to occur.

It's more a legal distinction than an academic one.


A fair point.  I was considering the distinction mostly from the standpoint of arguing over the practical effects of widespread gun ownership and debating over those statistics that are always brought up about accidental gun deaths.  You're right, though, legal consequences are an important consideration.

Jim_Callahan: //I'm somewhat confused by your implication that this is somehow exceptional in its inability to rewind time.


Haha, I didn't mean to imply that.  I simply meant that reclassifying deaths as "negligent" rather than "accidental" does not necessarily make them any less relevant to discussions about gun safety or ownership.
 
2013-02-25 06:59:12 AM

Gawdzila: I wasn't overlooking that fact, though, so I'm not sure why the point needed to be made


Because of Ohio. If you were from PA, WV, or NY, you'd understand.
 
2013-02-25 07:05:09 AM

The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...


Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.
 
2013-02-25 07:15:14 AM
Oh, and really I'm not criticizing the part about cheeking the weapon before you had it off it always good too be 100% sure.
/Oh and the idiots in the article well, what can I say.
 
2013-02-25 07:15:37 AM

verydrab: "If you looK in the mirror that is your world."That has to be one of the stupidest things to come out of a judges mouth.


Why would you say that? The guy on trial had told his minister he was worried about raising his daughter in this world. The judge simply informed the defendant that he, himself, was partially responsible for the state of the world his daughter lived in. I actually think what the judge said was rather poignant. This guy was worried about his daughter being exposed to external threats and harsh realities beyond his control when he should have been checking his own behavior all along.
 
2013-02-25 07:16:27 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-25 07:19:00 AM
[Juggalo pic]

Farkin' revolvers, how do they work?
 
2013-02-25 07:28:05 AM

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.
 
2013-02-25 07:30:16 AM

lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.


Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.
 
2013-02-25 07:31:30 AM

farkingnotworking: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.


Only certain classes of laws.
 
2013-02-25 07:34:28 AM

farkingnotworking: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.


Laws aren't to prevent the first crime but I think you know that, it's too prevent the second one and/or punish, whatever.
 
2013-02-25 07:34:56 AM
If every felon with the IQ of a muskrat accidentally killed his best friend, the world would be a better place.
 
2013-02-25 07:45:57 AM
Bahahahhhaahah.....sowly and surely they weed themselves out of the gene pool...
 
2013-02-25 07:46:27 AM

Oblio13: If every felon with the IQ of a muskrat accidentally killed his best friend, the world would be a better place.


the world will ALWAYS be a better place, regardless of who kills who

it's like the nature of things
 
2013-02-25 07:50:55 AM

Sid_6.7: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The gun is NEVER loaded. Always point the gun at anything and everything.

Lessons 1 and 2 of proper use.

And always make sure there are plenty of people behind what you're shooting at so the bullet can only travel but so far before being stopped by one of them.

But seriously, I had a friend who owned a semi-auto. One time I saw him test whether the safety was working with these steps:

1. Load full magazine.

2. Chamber round.

3. Engage safety.

4. Point gun at concrete floor while surrounded by people and attempt to pull trigger.

Yeah, "had a friend".


Oh...oh wow. I was taught the 4 rules of safely handling a firearm at my old police academy. Strangely, I do not recall your friend's four being the four I learned. But hey, it beats how a former acquaintance was going to check her father's (loaded and racked) shotgun: holding it between her knees, VERY close to the safety button, while LOOKING down the barrel.

Maybe your former friend and my former acquaintance should meet!!!

/former LEO
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included
 
2013-02-25 07:55:28 AM

computerguyUT: Bahahahhhaahah.....sowly and surely they weed themselves out of the gene pool...


Not fast enough...
 
2013-02-25 07:58:39 AM
sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included


Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.
 
2013-02-25 08:01:35 AM

Oblio13: sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included

Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.


They should make muzzle breaks that let you use the barrel to dig. Some kind of extra ventilated unclogable thing. We'll call them Spades and make them a thing in the news when one is used to assassinate someone's prized petunia bulbs.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:06 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.


I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.
 
2013-02-25 08:06:46 AM

GrymReeper: tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.

I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.


it's a SCARY SCARY SONG.

check out the synthesizer!!
 
2013-02-25 08:13:19 AM
This is a perfect example of Darwin by association.

Just because you're not that stupid doesn't mean your friends aren't
 
x23
2013-02-25 08:18:17 AM

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!



i always used that term for Russian Roulette with a single-shot shotgun or a single round being put into a magazine and chambered.
 
2013-02-25 08:25:04 AM

Oblio13: sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included

Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.


Summer of 2011, I helped out at my department's range week for the jail class coming through (where I used to live/work, transport jailers carried) because I was off that week and the redshirts (Range masters) needed a few helping hands.

They start a new line, declare it hot and the future jailers start shooting away. One, a female, forgot to put on her ears before firing. She put the pistol in her right hand, then used BOTH hands to put her ears on, sighting HERSELF and ME in the process. With her finger still on the trigger.

I was standing about 7 feet caddy-corner behind her and I swear to Christ the barrel of that Glock looked farking HUGE.

They took her off line after the round of firing ended and educated her on the error of her ways. She ended up not qualifying in the end.
 
2013-02-25 08:31:39 AM

jtown: [cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com image 300x372]

I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.


That is the perfect example of a man who never wears a suit and doesn't know his size.  He got way to big of a size because he isn't use to the feel of a proper fit suit coat.  I bet he doesn't like ties because they feel like they are choking him.  Get a shirt with the right neck size and magically the tie won't choke you.  Now pointed toe shoes can stay on the shelf, my feet don't accept pointed toe shoes existence.
 
2013-02-25 08:42:37 AM
See #1 & 2:
www.bonzerwolf.com
 
2013-02-25 08:44:57 AM

jtown: [cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com image 300x372]

I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.

loading dock.

He was stupid enough to kill his best friend.
How was he going to develop discriminating taste?

THINK! man THINK!
 
2013-02-25 08:48:48 AM

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?


You'll have to ask some judge or parole board that one.

How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It was not, which is why he was charged with possessing one illegally.

WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

The only thing that makes sense is that at the rate he's going, if let out in the wild there's a good chance he will off himself relatively soon.  If incarcerated, he'll be kept alive at our expense for a very long time.  Cheaper and easier to let nature take it's course.

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans
 
2013-02-25 08:49:17 AM
Qu'est Que C'est
 
2013-02-25 09:06:23 AM

L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.


Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?
 
2013-02-25 09:11:56 AM
odds on the likelyhood one of them either owned or wanted to own an AR-15? I'm going with 435,762:1
 
2013-02-25 09:24:39 AM

x23: RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!

i always used that term for Russian Roulette with a single-shot shotgun or a single round being put into a magazine and chambered.


You're right, German Roulette is probably a better term for aiming at someone else rather than yourself...
 
2013-02-25 09:30:20 AM
FTFA: The two men were friends since childhood, Castanier said, and he promised Ullrich's father he would take care of him.
chosis.coldfusionvideo.com
Take care of him?
 
2013-02-25 09:33:19 AM

willfullyobscure: odds on the likelyhood one of them either owned or wanted to own an AR-15? I'm going with 435,762:1


Mr. Castanier was and is legally prohibited from owning any firearm, including an AR-15 pattern rifle.
 
2013-02-25 09:34:39 AM

edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?


More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.
 
2013-02-25 09:42:56 AM
thefilmexperience.net

/Didn't RTFA
 
2013-02-25 09:48:31 AM

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!


Not true. Polish roulette involves a semiautomatic.
 
2013-02-25 09:50:34 AM

doglover: edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?

More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.


You are mistaken. Currently, ownership of semi-automatic rifles featuring pistol grips, collapsing stocks and threaded barrels is legal. Numerous individuals believe that such features inherently enhance the lethality of a rifle, and thus they wish to ban all such features from semi-automatic rifles.
 
2013-02-25 09:57:29 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.


This is why for the guns I leave around my place, I make sure they're always loaded and chambered.  That way I never have to check them and there's never any "Gee I wonder if I should treat this gun as if it's loaded, cause it may not be".
 
2013-02-25 10:00:25 AM
I like giving idiots the opportunity to self identify.
 
2013-02-25 10:10:24 AM
Another responsible gun owner.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:32 AM

lilbjorn: Another responsible gun owner.


You are mistaken; as a convicted felon, Mr. Castanier could not have been a "responsible gun owner".
 
2013-02-25 10:57:43 AM

Dimensio: doglover: edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?

More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.

You are mistaken. Currently, ownership of semi-automatic rifles featuring pistol grips, collapsing stocks and threaded barrels is legal. Numerous individuals believe that such features inherently enhance the lethality of a rifle, and thus they wish to ban all such features from semi-automatic rifles.


They need to ban those things again. That way we'll never have another school shooting.
 
2013-02-25 11:03:22 AM

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


They played this game hundreds of times.  Obviously, the current laws are not enough.

We could keep guns out of felons' hands by chopping off felons' hands, I suppose.  Or impregnate their palms with some radioactive isotope that a gun detects.  Or just keep locking them up as we find them.
 
2013-02-25 11:08:07 AM

pueblonative: lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.

Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.


Or the gun belonged to his friend who wasn't a felon.  "Possession" isn't ownership.
 
2013-02-25 11:08:45 AM

namatad: Sid_6.7: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't. RTFA, maybe?

herpa derpa
it was a farking rhetorical question FFS
did you not read the questions I posed on either side of the one you commented on?
LOLOLOL

as a collection, they form a set of rhetoric
I realize that this is fark and you are a moron. but still.


LOLOLOL? "herpa derpa"?

Sadly, you probably actually thought this was a clever rebuttal.
 
2013-02-25 11:10:02 AM
"The two men were friends since childhood, Castanier said, and he promised Ullrich's father he would take care of him."

Oh, he took care of him, all right.
 
2013-02-25 11:16:41 AM

lack of warmth: That is the perfect example of a man who never wears a suit and doesn't know his size.  He got way to big of a size because he isn't use to the feel of a proper fit suit coat.  I bet he doesn't like ties because they feel like they are choking him.  Get a shirt with the right neck size and magically the tie won't choke you.  Now pointed toe shoes can stay on the shelf, my feet don't accept pointed toe shoes existence.


Some fabulous tips!

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-25 11:22:28 AM
Now, let's ne honest. All you pussified gun haters out there, you gotta agree ... this was Evolution In Action™
 
2013-02-25 11:29:37 AM
I am sure glad my truck has airbags and seat belts. This means I will never have an accident.
 
2013-02-25 11:37:20 AM

lilbjorn: Another responsible gun owner.


"Drink Responsibly."
 
2013-02-25 12:38:33 PM
RIP Skeet Ulrich
 
2013-02-25 01:03:27 PM
CSB x 2:

A little over 20 years ago (grade 7)  I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Fast forward 2 years and the same classmate is walking home from target practice carrying his rifle. He lived on a farm and his parents let him shoot targets, bottles etc on this one rocky, shiatty field they owned. He gets halfway to his house and sees the neighbour's bull sitting out in a field a few hundred yards away. Old habits die hard and he points his gun at the bull and pretends he was going to shoot it in the ass. Thinking the gun was unloaded now he pulls the trigger. BLAM right in one of the testicles (which, of course, ruptures). The bull lets out a groan and falls over on its side. The neighbour hears the shot and the bull groan and runs over as my classmate hauls ass for his house as fast as he can. His parents managed to calm down the neighbour but it took him until he graduated high school to pay them back for shooting their prize-winning breeding bull.

Some people, and they come in all races colours and creeds, should not be anywhere near a gun.
 
2013-02-25 01:42:31 PM
"This was an accident but it was a death waiting to happen."WTF am I reading?I'm ok with the sentence. It doesn't bring the dead guy back to life and perhaps it will deter others from being completely farking retarded like the people in this story.

Goddamn this new HTML editor is full of bugs.
 
2013-02-25 02:01:06 PM

The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...


I wouldn't feel too bad. You probably literally dodged a bullet if she'd hooked up with you.
 
2013-02-25 02:07:19 PM
I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.
 
2013-02-25 02:08:26 PM

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?
How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?
WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans


It wasn't legal.

But there's no way to stop him..
 
2013-02-25 02:14:31 PM

Lando Lincoln: I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.


Alcohol.
 
2013-02-25 02:34:48 PM
nickerj1:
This is why for the guns I leave around my place, I make sure they're always loaded and chambered.  That way I never have to check them and there's never any "Gee I wonder if I should treat this gun as if it's loaded, cause it may not be".

Do a press-check anyway.  You'd hate to have to use that thing in an emergency and hear a "click" when you expect a "bang"
 
2013-02-25 02:37:59 PM

Lando Lincoln: I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.


I think it was more like "I'm gonna shoot my idiot friend and pretend it was an accident" when he was drunk.  Then, after the fact, "aw, hell... how could this have been an accident?" when the BAC went down a little.

I'm not convinced this was "accidental manslaughter".  But with 22 years, I'm not gonna worry about it much, by the time he gets out, he'll be all reformed and stuff.  Right?
 
2013-02-25 03:03:51 PM

GrymReeper: tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.

I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.


Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.

The point you were trying to make was the point I already made, dunderhead.
 
2013-02-25 03:20:28 PM

AgentKGB: CSB x 2:

A little over 20 years ago (grade 7)  I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Fast forward 2 years and the same classmate is walking home from target practice carrying his rifle. He lived on a farm and his parents let him shoot targets, bottles etc on this one rocky, shiatty field they owned. He gets halfway to his house and sees the neighbour's bull sitting out in a field a few hundred yards away. Old habits die hard and he points his gun at the bull and pretends he was going to shoot it in the ass. Thinking the gun was unloaded now he pulls the trigger. BLAM right in one of the testicles (which, of course, ruptures). The bull lets out a groan and falls over on its side. The neighbour hears the shot and the bull groan and runs over as my classmate hauls ass for his house as fast as he can. His parents managed to calm down the neighbour but it took him until he graduated high school to pay them back for shooting their prize-winning breeding bull.

Some people, and they come in all races colours and creeds, should not be anywhere near a gun.


I guarantee you he now owns an AR-15 and watches Nutnfancy videos. I'll pay you money if that's not a fact
 
2013-02-25 03:24:07 PM

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.
 
2013-02-25 03:29:01 PM

K-jack: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.


An interesting theory... Except this part of the article rather strongly implies that he had been convicted of a prior felony, meaning he could not legally own the gun:

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.
 
2013-02-25 03:31:45 PM

RobSeace: K-jack: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.

An interesting theory... Except this part of the article rather strongly implies that he had been convicted of a prior felony, meaning he could not legally own the gun:

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.


Michigan felons are not outright prohibited from owning guns:  http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(l1kcsp45hmaivln232id3045))/mileg.asp x ?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-224f
 
2013-02-25 03:42:30 PM

doglover: Gawdzila: The thing is, people don't even have to be complete idiots to do it. It's just a fact of life that familiarity can create carelessness. The longer people live with firearms cars without incident, the more likely they are to treat them as relatively harmless and the more likely they are to take unsafe "shortcuts" or do careless things while handling or storing them. It's easy to write all these incidents off as people being complete morons, and in some cases (like this one) they blatantly are, but in a lot of cases it is really just the inevitable consequences of a lot of people taking little risks with familiar firearms cars.

I agree. We should limit people's ability to own and operate motor vehicles.


Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:09 PM

Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.


FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.
 
2013-02-25 03:50:01 PM

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?
How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?
WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans


It wasn't legal for him to have the gun, hence the felony firearm conviction....
 
2013-02-25 03:52:57 PM

Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.


Um, you can own a car without needing to take any kind of test... Other than maybe a credit check! You can't drive it on public roads without a license, which requires passing a test, however... (You're perfectly free to drive it on your own private property without any kind of license, however...)

I'm also pretty sure there are laws against firing (or even carrying) a gun while drunk, as well...
 
2013-02-25 04:08:19 PM

Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.


I don't believe minors can legally acquire handguns, and many states have laws against drinking and shooting:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2925003/  "We found three types of laws in 26 states that restrict firearm use by intoxicated people: sales or transfers are restricted in six states, carrying of concealed weapons is restricted in four states, and possession or discharge of a firearm while intoxicated is restricted in 20 states."

In terms of operating a car only after taking a safety test, as a licensed driver I can testify to the supremely lax requirements for obtaining a driver's license.  Even so, hundreds of thousands (millions?) of illegals drive vehicles every day without having passed a safety test.  What other laws would you suggest to bring them into compliance?  How often are unlicensed drivers being released instead of punished?  http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/exclusive-ice-agent- f aces-suspension-for-arresting-illegal-alien.html  "However, he was a 35-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico who had ten previous traffic violations - including driving without a license...Instead, two supervising officers, including the acting field director, intervened and ordered the officer to release the illegal immigrant.

/Lax enforcement of existing laws doesn't mean we should enact more laws.
 
2013-02-25 04:49:09 PM

Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.


Mandatory alcohol insurance! Mandatory alcohol training! License to drink alcohol! Background checks for booze!
 
2013-02-25 05:24:50 PM

Nofun: See #1 & 2:
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#5, don't be a moran.
 
2013-02-25 05:35:54 PM

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.



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Looks like an accident to me.
 
2013-02-25 05:37:20 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.



ac·ci·dent

 1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents. 3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.

Looks like an accident to me.

Cleaned up FMS
 
2013-02-25 05:38:45 PM

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!


Even if no one is hurt or killed, how much fun can that be?  Do they say, "Bang" when they pull the trigger?
 
2013-02-25 06:47:37 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.

Mandatory alcohol insurance! Mandatory alcohol training! License to drink alcohol! Background checks for booze!


Driving a car is not a right protected under the constitution.

A better argument is this: Why let government hold a monopoly on killing?
 
2013-02-25 07:54:46 PM

The Snow Dog: Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.


Like you, I always check an "empty" gun before handling it any further, even if I just checked a few minutes ago. But I would have handed her the gun in such a way that clearly proved to her it was empty. Assuming it was a revolver, the cylinder would have been open when I handed it to her. If a semi-auto, the slide would be locked in the open position.
 
2013-02-25 08:17:19 PM
Can we ban stupid yet?
 
2013-02-25 09:22:31 PM

Biner: The Snow Dog: Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.

Like you, I always check an "empty" gun before handling it any further, even if I just checked a few minutes ago. But I would have handed her the gun in such a way that clearly proved to her it was empty. Assuming it was a revolver, the cylinder would have been open when I handed it to her. If a semi-auto, the slide would be locked in the open position.


Really, I do the same thing too. I admit that I had an ulterior motive and I was testing her to see what she would do. Really surprised me when she started immediately squeezing off imaginary rounds at Kosmo Cramer, though.

She was a Georgia girl and she had told me about growing up with guns on her grandfather's ranch and etc.

But, of course, you are right; etiquette-wise I should have left the cylinder open. With any firearm, when you hand it over it's proper to demonstrate the chamber is empty. Rifle? Bolt open (no rounds in magazine). Over / Under? Broken open (empty). Semi-auto rifle or shotgun or pistol? Slide locked open (magazine out or empty). Pump? Slide back (magazine empty). Lever-action? Lever forward, chamber open (with no rounds in magazine otherwise they'll load it if they jack the lever back). All visually checked to make sure a live round isn't hung in the chamber.
 
2013-02-25 09:40:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: pueblonative: lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.

Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.

Or the gun belonged to his friend who wasn't a felon.  "Possession" isn't ownership.


So, in other words, the friend should be the one charged for arming a felon.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:43 PM
Using (I don't want to use the phrase 'playing with') guns while/after using alcohol is NEVER a good idea.
 
2013-02-26 12:15:02 AM
Obviously related to the guy who invented Polish roulette. (insert one round into magazine of automatic, chamber, fire.)
 
2013-02-26 02:16:32 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Inflatable Rhetoric: Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.


ac·ci·dent

 1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents. 3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.

Looks like an accident to me.

Cleaned up FMS


Those of us with guns, we hold a higher standard than does Webster.  You can define the words how ever you want, but if you pick up a gun and discharge it, that is not an accident.  At best it's negligence.  An accident happens without your help.  Negligence is YOUR FAULT.
 
2013-02-26 02:27:22 PM
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