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2013-02-25 02:01:06 PM

The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...


I wouldn't feel too bad. You probably literally dodged a bullet if she'd hooked up with you.
 
2013-02-25 02:07:19 PM
I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.
 
2013-02-25 02:08:26 PM

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?
How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?
WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans


It wasn't legal.

But there's no way to stop him..
 
2013-02-25 02:14:31 PM

Lando Lincoln: I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.


Alcohol.
 
2013-02-25 02:34:48 PM
nickerj1:
This is why for the guns I leave around my place, I make sure they're always loaded and chambered.  That way I never have to check them and there's never any "Gee I wonder if I should treat this gun as if it's loaded, cause it may not be".

Do a press-check anyway.  You'd hate to have to use that thing in an emergency and hear a "click" when you expect a "bang"
 
2013-02-25 02:37:59 PM

Lando Lincoln: I call bullshiat on this story. They've done this lots of times but they never noticed that the chambers rotate as they pull the trigger? Not even Floridians are that stupid.


I think it was more like "I'm gonna shoot my idiot friend and pretend it was an accident" when he was drunk.  Then, after the fact, "aw, hell... how could this have been an accident?" when the BAC went down a little.

I'm not convinced this was "accidental manslaughter".  But with 22 years, I'm not gonna worry about it much, by the time he gets out, he'll be all reformed and stuff.  Right?
 
2013-02-25 03:03:51 PM

GrymReeper: tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.

I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.


Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.

The point you were trying to make was the point I already made, dunderhead.
 
2013-02-25 03:20:28 PM

AgentKGB: CSB x 2:

A little over 20 years ago (grade 7)  I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Fast forward 2 years and the same classmate is walking home from target practice carrying his rifle. He lived on a farm and his parents let him shoot targets, bottles etc on this one rocky, shiatty field they owned. He gets halfway to his house and sees the neighbour's bull sitting out in a field a few hundred yards away. Old habits die hard and he points his gun at the bull and pretends he was going to shoot it in the ass. Thinking the gun was unloaded now he pulls the trigger. BLAM right in one of the testicles (which, of course, ruptures). The bull lets out a groan and falls over on its side. The neighbour hears the shot and the bull groan and runs over as my classmate hauls ass for his house as fast as he can. His parents managed to calm down the neighbour but it took him until he graduated high school to pay them back for shooting their prize-winning breeding bull.

Some people, and they come in all races colours and creeds, should not be anywhere near a gun.


I guarantee you he now owns an AR-15 and watches Nutnfancy videos. I'll pay you money if that's not a fact
 
2013-02-25 03:24:07 PM

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.
 
2013-02-25 03:29:01 PM

K-jack: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.


An interesting theory... Except this part of the article rather strongly implies that he had been convicted of a prior felony, meaning he could not legally own the gun:

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.
 
2013-02-25 03:31:45 PM

RobSeace: K-jack: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

You don't understand what the crime "felon in possession" entails. If an underlying crime was a felony, the weapons charge can be tacked on as an additional crime because you possessed the gun while committing that felony. For instance, a drug dealer caught with a kilo of coke and a .45 can be convicted of felon in possession even if the dealer could legally own the gun prior to the bust. Merely possessing a gun during the commission of the felony opens you up to the felon in possession charge.

Under the circumstances, this guy pled to a felony. Since a gun was used in the course of that felony, he was also handed a felon in possession charge, which he also pled to. This has absolutely nothing to do with his prior ability to legally own a firearm.

An interesting theory... Except this part of the article rather strongly implies that he had been convicted of a prior felony, meaning he could not legally own the gun:

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.


Michigan felons are not outright prohibited from owning guns:  http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(l1kcsp45hmaivln232id3045))/mileg.asp x ?page=GetObject&objectname=mcl-750-224f
 
2013-02-25 03:42:30 PM

doglover: Gawdzila: The thing is, people don't even have to be complete idiots to do it. It's just a fact of life that familiarity can create carelessness. The longer people live with firearms cars without incident, the more likely they are to treat them as relatively harmless and the more likely they are to take unsafe "shortcuts" or do careless things while handling or storing them. It's easy to write all these incidents off as people being complete morons, and in some cases (like this one) they blatantly are, but in a lot of cases it is really just the inevitable consequences of a lot of people taking little risks with familiar firearms cars.

I agree. We should limit people's ability to own and operate motor vehicles.


Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.
 
2013-02-25 03:45:09 PM

Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.


FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.
 
2013-02-25 03:50:01 PM

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?
How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?
WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans


It wasn't legal for him to have the gun, hence the felony firearm conviction....
 
2013-02-25 03:52:57 PM

Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.


Um, you can own a car without needing to take any kind of test... Other than maybe a credit check! You can't drive it on public roads without a license, which requires passing a test, however... (You're perfectly free to drive it on your own private property without any kind of license, however...)

I'm also pretty sure there are laws against firing (or even carrying) a gun while drunk, as well...
 
2013-02-25 04:08:19 PM

Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.


I don't believe minors can legally acquire handguns, and many states have laws against drinking and shooting:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2925003/  "We found three types of laws in 26 states that restrict firearm use by intoxicated people: sales or transfers are restricted in six states, carrying of concealed weapons is restricted in four states, and possession or discharge of a firearm while intoxicated is restricted in 20 states."

In terms of operating a car only after taking a safety test, as a licensed driver I can testify to the supremely lax requirements for obtaining a driver's license.  Even so, hundreds of thousands (millions?) of illegals drive vehicles every day without having passed a safety test.  What other laws would you suggest to bring them into compliance?  How often are unlicensed drivers being released instead of punished?  http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/exclusive-ice-agent- f aces-suspension-for-arresting-illegal-alien.html  "However, he was a 35-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico who had ten previous traffic violations - including driving without a license...Instead, two supervising officers, including the acting field director, intervened and ordered the officer to release the illegal immigrant.

/Lax enforcement of existing laws doesn't mean we should enact more laws.
 
2013-02-25 04:49:09 PM

Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.


Mandatory alcohol insurance! Mandatory alcohol training! License to drink alcohol! Background checks for booze!
 
2013-02-25 05:24:50 PM

Nofun: See #1 & 2:
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#5, don't be a moran.
 
2013-02-25 05:35:54 PM

Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.



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Looks like an accident to me.
 
2013-02-25 05:37:20 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.



ac·ci·dent

 1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents. 3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.

Looks like an accident to me.

Cleaned up FMS
 
2013-02-25 05:38:45 PM

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!


Even if no one is hurt or killed, how much fun can that be?  Do they say, "Bang" when they pull the trigger?
 
2013-02-25 06:47:37 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Supes: Supes: Cars are more heavily regulated than guns. It's illegal to drive drunk, to own operate a car without taking a safety test, to drive alone while under 16.... guns have no equivalent restrictions.

FTFM. But it's still only scratching the surface. Kind of silly that we can't regulate guns at least as much as we regulate cars.

Mandatory alcohol insurance! Mandatory alcohol training! License to drink alcohol! Background checks for booze!


Driving a car is not a right protected under the constitution.

A better argument is this: Why let government hold a monopoly on killing?
 
2013-02-25 07:54:46 PM

The Snow Dog: Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.


Like you, I always check an "empty" gun before handling it any further, even if I just checked a few minutes ago. But I would have handed her the gun in such a way that clearly proved to her it was empty. Assuming it was a revolver, the cylinder would have been open when I handed it to her. If a semi-auto, the slide would be locked in the open position.
 
2013-02-25 08:17:19 PM
Can we ban stupid yet?
 
2013-02-25 09:22:31 PM

Biner: The Snow Dog: Comprehension FAIL. I didn't HAVE to check to make sure it was unloaded, I KNEW it was unloaded. But I SAID I CHECKED IT AGAIN anyway. I too learned respect for firearms at an early age; also how to read. Still, even if you know something is unloaded you ALWAYS check it again when you hand it to someone if it's been out of your sight /possession for one second. The reason it was on my dresser was because my friend and I had been out at the levee shooting that afternoon and I still hadn't cleaned it yet.

Like you, I always check an "empty" gun before handling it any further, even if I just checked a few minutes ago. But I would have handed her the gun in such a way that clearly proved to her it was empty. Assuming it was a revolver, the cylinder would have been open when I handed it to her. If a semi-auto, the slide would be locked in the open position.


Really, I do the same thing too. I admit that I had an ulterior motive and I was testing her to see what she would do. Really surprised me when she started immediately squeezing off imaginary rounds at Kosmo Cramer, though.

She was a Georgia girl and she had told me about growing up with guns on her grandfather's ranch and etc.

But, of course, you are right; etiquette-wise I should have left the cylinder open. With any firearm, when you hand it over it's proper to demonstrate the chamber is empty. Rifle? Bolt open (no rounds in magazine). Over / Under? Broken open (empty). Semi-auto rifle or shotgun or pistol? Slide locked open (magazine out or empty). Pump? Slide back (magazine empty). Lever-action? Lever forward, chamber open (with no rounds in magazine otherwise they'll load it if they jack the lever back). All visually checked to make sure a live round isn't hung in the chamber.
 
2013-02-25 09:40:19 PM

BarkingUnicorn: pueblonative: lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.

Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.

Or the gun belonged to his friend who wasn't a felon.  "Possession" isn't ownership.


So, in other words, the friend should be the one charged for arming a felon.
 
2013-02-25 11:09:43 PM
Using (I don't want to use the phrase 'playing with') guns while/after using alcohol is NEVER a good idea.
 
2013-02-26 12:15:02 AM
Obviously related to the guy who invented Polish roulette. (insert one round into magazine of automatic, chamber, fire.)
 
2013-02-26 02:16:32 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: Inflatable Rhetoric: Jim_Callahan: Yeah, I was going to make my usual "actual accidents with firearms are one-in-a-million, the rest of 'accidents' are negligence, which isn't the same thing", but I think TFA already pretty much covers that for me.


ac·ci·dent

 1. an undesirable or unfortunate happening that occurs unintentionally and usually results in harm, injury, damage, or loss; casualty; mishap: automobile accidents. 3. any event that happens unexpectedly, without a deliberate plan or cause.

Looks like an accident to me.

Cleaned up FMS


Those of us with guns, we hold a higher standard than does Webster.  You can define the words how ever you want, but if you pick up a gun and discharge it, that is not an accident.  At best it's negligence.  An accident happens without your help.  Negligence is YOUR FAULT.
 
2013-02-26 02:27:22 PM
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