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2013-02-25 07:15:14 AM  
Oh, and really I'm not criticizing the part about cheeking the weapon before you had it off it always good too be 100% sure.
/Oh and the idiots in the article well, what can I say.
 
2013-02-25 07:15:37 AM  

verydrab: "If you looK in the mirror that is your world."That has to be one of the stupidest things to come out of a judges mouth.


Why would you say that? The guy on trial had told his minister he was worried about raising his daughter in this world. The judge simply informed the defendant that he, himself, was partially responsible for the state of the world his daughter lived in. I actually think what the judge said was rather poignant. This guy was worried about his daughter being exposed to external threats and harsh realities beyond his control when he should have been checking his own behavior all along.
 
2013-02-25 07:16:27 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-25 07:19:00 AM  
[Juggalo pic]

Farkin' revolvers, how do they work?
 
2013-02-25 07:28:05 AM  

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.
 
2013-02-25 07:30:16 AM  

lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.


Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.
 
2013-02-25 07:31:30 AM  

farkingnotworking: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.


Only certain classes of laws.
 
2013-02-25 07:34:28 AM  

farkingnotworking: doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?

Seriously.  Let's just get rid of these "law" things, since people still seem to commit crimes in spite of them.


Laws aren't to prevent the first crime but I think you know that, it's too prevent the second one and/or punish, whatever.
 
2013-02-25 07:34:56 AM  
If every felon with the IQ of a muskrat accidentally killed his best friend, the world would be a better place.
 
2013-02-25 07:45:57 AM  
Bahahahhhaahah.....sowly and surely they weed themselves out of the gene pool...
 
2013-02-25 07:46:27 AM  

Oblio13: If every felon with the IQ of a muskrat accidentally killed his best friend, the world would be a better place.


the world will ALWAYS be a better place, regardless of who kills who

it's like the nature of things
 
2013-02-25 07:50:55 AM  

Sid_6.7: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The gun is NEVER loaded. Always point the gun at anything and everything.

Lessons 1 and 2 of proper use.

And always make sure there are plenty of people behind what you're shooting at so the bullet can only travel but so far before being stopped by one of them.

But seriously, I had a friend who owned a semi-auto. One time I saw him test whether the safety was working with these steps:

1. Load full magazine.

2. Chamber round.

3. Engage safety.

4. Point gun at concrete floor while surrounded by people and attempt to pull trigger.

Yeah, "had a friend".


Oh...oh wow. I was taught the 4 rules of safely handling a firearm at my old police academy. Strangely, I do not recall your friend's four being the four I learned. But hey, it beats how a former acquaintance was going to check her father's (loaded and racked) shotgun: holding it between her knees, VERY close to the safety button, while LOOKING down the barrel.

Maybe your former friend and my former acquaintance should meet!!!

/former LEO
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included
 
2013-02-25 07:55:28 AM  

computerguyUT: Bahahahhhaahah.....sowly and surely they weed themselves out of the gene pool...


Not fast enough...
 
2013-02-25 07:58:39 AM  
sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included


Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.
 
2013-02-25 08:01:35 AM  

Oblio13: sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included

Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.


They should make muzzle breaks that let you use the barrel to dig. Some kind of extra ventilated unclogable thing. We'll call them Spades and make them a thing in the news when one is used to assassinate someone's prized petunia bulbs.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:06 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.


I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.
 
2013-02-25 08:06:46 AM  

GrymReeper: tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.

I guess you didn't learn very well. You always check the weapon. Always.


it's a SCARY SCARY SONG.

check out the synthesizer!!
 
2013-02-25 08:13:19 AM  
This is a perfect example of Darwin by association.

Just because you're not that stupid doesn't mean your friends aren't
 
x23
2013-02-25 08:18:17 AM  

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!



i always used that term for Russian Roulette with a single-shot shotgun or a single round being put into a magazine and chambered.
 
2013-02-25 08:25:04 AM  

Oblio13: sovietski:
//there are people who do not even need to be in the same zip code as firearms
///some police officers included

Watched a requalifying cop who had eaten too many donuts get up from the kneeling position by putting his pistol's muzzle in the dirt and using it to push himself up. Fortunately somebody got to him before he pulled the trigger again.


Summer of 2011, I helped out at my department's range week for the jail class coming through (where I used to live/work, transport jailers carried) because I was off that week and the redshirts (Range masters) needed a few helping hands.

They start a new line, declare it hot and the future jailers start shooting away. One, a female, forgot to put on her ears before firing. She put the pistol in her right hand, then used BOTH hands to put her ears on, sighting HERSELF and ME in the process. With her finger still on the trigger.

I was standing about 7 feet caddy-corner behind her and I swear to Christ the barrel of that Glock looked farking HUGE.

They took her off line after the round of firing ended and educated her on the error of her ways. She ended up not qualifying in the end.
 
2013-02-25 08:31:39 AM  

jtown: [cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com image 300x372]

I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.


That is the perfect example of a man who never wears a suit and doesn't know his size.  He got way to big of a size because he isn't use to the feel of a proper fit suit coat.  I bet he doesn't like ties because they feel like they are choking him.  Get a shirt with the right neck size and magically the tie won't choke you.  Now pointed toe shoes can stay on the shelf, my feet don't accept pointed toe shoes existence.
 
2013-02-25 08:42:37 AM  
See #1 & 2:
www.bonzerwolf.com
 
2013-02-25 08:44:57 AM  

jtown: [cmsimg.battlecreekenquirer.com image 300x372]

I guess we know where Lurch's tailor ended up.  I've bought better-fitting jackets off the rack.

loading dock.

He was stupid enough to kill his best friend.
How was he going to develop discriminating taste?

THINK! man THINK!
 
2013-02-25 08:48:48 AM  

namatad: But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

WHY was this guy out on the street?


You'll have to ask some judge or parole board that one.

How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It was not, which is why he was charged with possessing one illegally.

WHY was his sentence not a life sentence??

The only thing that makes sense is that at the rate he's going, if let out in the wild there's a good chance he will off himself relatively soon.  If incarcerated, he'll be kept alive at our expense for a very long time.  Cheaper and easier to let nature take it's course.

nothing personal, but this guy is clear and present danger to all humans
 
2013-02-25 08:49:17 AM  
Qu'est Que C'est
 
2013-02-25 09:06:23 AM  

L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.


Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?
 
2013-02-25 09:11:56 AM  
odds on the likelyhood one of them either owned or wanted to own an AR-15? I'm going with 435,762:1
 
2013-02-25 09:24:39 AM  

x23: RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!

i always used that term for Russian Roulette with a single-shot shotgun or a single round being put into a magazine and chambered.


You're right, German Roulette is probably a better term for aiming at someone else rather than yourself...
 
2013-02-25 09:30:20 AM  
FTFA: The two men were friends since childhood, Castanier said, and he promised Ullrich's father he would take care of him.
chosis.coldfusionvideo.com
Take care of him?
 
2013-02-25 09:33:19 AM  

willfullyobscure: odds on the likelyhood one of them either owned or wanted to own an AR-15? I'm going with 435,762:1


Mr. Castanier was and is legally prohibited from owning any firearm, including an AR-15 pattern rifle.
 
2013-02-25 09:34:39 AM  

edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?


More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.
 
2013-02-25 09:42:56 AM  
thefilmexperience.net

/Didn't RTFA
 
2013-02-25 09:48:31 AM  

RobSeace: Investigators said the men often played a game of loading a revolver with one slug, spinning the cylinder and then pointing it at another player before pulling the trigger.

Ah, yes, Polish Roulette!


Not true. Polish roulette involves a semiautomatic.
 
2013-02-25 09:50:34 AM  

doglover: edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?

More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.


You are mistaken. Currently, ownership of semi-automatic rifles featuring pistol grips, collapsing stocks and threaded barrels is legal. Numerous individuals believe that such features inherently enhance the lethality of a rifle, and thus they wish to ban all such features from semi-automatic rifles.
 
2013-02-25 09:57:29 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The Snow Dog: I knew a girl in college who, when she saw my .357 on my dresser, asked if she could see it. I opened it and checked to make sure it was empty. From her vantage point (sitting on the end of the bed) she could not have seen firsthand that it was empty. I handed it to her and she immediately pointed it at the TV and started pulling the trigger.

I said: Stop! Are you f*cking crazy!?

She said: I saw you check it.

I told her to never touch ANY of my guns, consider them always to be loaded. She got mad and she didn't touch ANY of my guns again.

(Damn it.)

/Oh well...

Well other than you leaving out your .357, which you had to check to make sure it was unloaded the girl was an idiot because guns aren't toys.
/Yes I learned to respect and use firearms at a young age.


This is why for the guns I leave around my place, I make sure they're always loaded and chambered.  That way I never have to check them and there's never any "Gee I wonder if I should treat this gun as if it's loaded, cause it may not be".
 
2013-02-25 10:00:25 AM  
I like giving idiots the opportunity to self identify.
 
2013-02-25 10:10:24 AM  
Another responsible gun owner.
 
2013-02-25 10:16:32 AM  

lilbjorn: Another responsible gun owner.


You are mistaken; as a convicted felon, Mr. Castanier could not have been a "responsible gun owner".
 
2013-02-25 10:57:43 AM  

Dimensio: doglover: edmo: L.D. Ablo: The guy never had a gun because it's illegal for a convicted felon to own one.

Like when Christians commit evil acts but therefore aren't really Christian so you can't hold it against the rest of Responsible Christians?

More like when something's already illegal you don't need to keep passing laws against it.

Murder is illegal. When was the last time you saw people trying to legislate against murder itself as an idea? Never. It's the oldest rule: thou shalt not kill.


Gun ownership is already sufficiently legislated to do everything people who want "reform" want to happen. But the people who want reform don't realize it's the case and they keep trying to push for new laws that just make the same things that are already illegal illegal again. Their folly is even visible grammatically. It just don't make sense.

You are mistaken. Currently, ownership of semi-automatic rifles featuring pistol grips, collapsing stocks and threaded barrels is legal. Numerous individuals believe that such features inherently enhance the lethality of a rifle, and thus they wish to ban all such features from semi-automatic rifles.


They need to ban those things again. That way we'll never have another school shooting.
 
2013-02-25 11:03:22 AM  

doglover: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't, ya doof. It was illegal for him to have the gun. Hence he was sentenced to, and I quote "7 to 22½ years in prison after pleading guilty last month to manslaughter and being a felon in possession of a firearm"

Does nobody get that the current laws are already enough to keep guns out of people's hands IF LAWS WORKED LIKE THAT!?


They played this game hundreds of times.  Obviously, the current laws are not enough.

We could keep guns out of felons' hands by chopping off felons' hands, I suppose.  Or impregnate their palms with some radioactive isotope that a gun detects.  Or just keep locking them up as we find them.
 
2013-02-25 11:08:07 AM  

pueblonative: lack of warmth: MisterTweak: "And you have many good qualities," the judge said. "You are a good neighbor, you help the elderly and you are a doting father to your 10-year-old daughter."

But then the judge listed Castanier's criminal record of one felony for making a bomb threat as a juvenile and multiple charges resulting in 11 misdemeanor convictions as an adult including domestic violence, assault, vandalism, and drunken driving.

There is no need to perhaps reconsider if the qualifications for owning a handgun need to be a tad higher than "able to fog a mirror within three attempts", surely.

Part of the charges was for being a felon in possession of a gun.  He didn't have it legally, so he already didn't meet qualifications for handgun ownership.  However, the troll must troll, and we shall put that to rest.

Somebody sold the gun to the dumbass. Either that or he stole it, which kinda puts its benefits as a crime deterrent to the question.


Or the gun belonged to his friend who wasn't a felon.  "Possession" isn't ownership.
 
2013-02-25 11:08:45 AM  

namatad: Sid_6.7: namatad: How was it legal for him to have a gun in his hands?

It wasn't. RTFA, maybe?

herpa derpa
it was a farking rhetorical question FFS
did you not read the questions I posed on either side of the one you commented on?
LOLOLOL

as a collection, they form a set of rhetoric
I realize that this is fark and you are a moron. but still.


LOLOLOL? "herpa derpa"?

Sadly, you probably actually thought this was a clever rebuttal.
 
2013-02-25 11:10:02 AM  
"The two men were friends since childhood, Castanier said, and he promised Ullrich's father he would take care of him."

Oh, he took care of him, all right.
 
2013-02-25 11:16:41 AM  

lack of warmth: That is the perfect example of a man who never wears a suit and doesn't know his size.  He got way to big of a size because he isn't use to the feel of a proper fit suit coat.  I bet he doesn't like ties because they feel like they are choking him.  Get a shirt with the right neck size and magically the tie won't choke you.  Now pointed toe shoes can stay on the shelf, my feet don't accept pointed toe shoes existence.


Some fabulous tips!

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-25 11:22:28 AM  
Now, let's ne honest. All you pussified gun haters out there, you gotta agree ... this was Evolution In Action™
 
2013-02-25 11:29:37 AM  
I am sure glad my truck has airbags and seat belts. This means I will never have an accident.
 
2013-02-25 11:37:20 AM  

lilbjorn: Another responsible gun owner.


"Drink Responsibly."
 
2013-02-25 12:38:33 PM  
RIP Skeet Ulrich
 
2013-02-25 01:03:27 PM  
CSB x 2:

A little over 20 years ago (grade 7)  I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Fast forward 2 years and the same classmate is walking home from target practice carrying his rifle. He lived on a farm and his parents let him shoot targets, bottles etc on this one rocky, shiatty field they owned. He gets halfway to his house and sees the neighbour's bull sitting out in a field a few hundred yards away. Old habits die hard and he points his gun at the bull and pretends he was going to shoot it in the ass. Thinking the gun was unloaded now he pulls the trigger. BLAM right in one of the testicles (which, of course, ruptures). The bull lets out a groan and falls over on its side. The neighbour hears the shot and the bull groan and runs over as my classmate hauls ass for his house as fast as he can. His parents managed to calm down the neighbour but it took him until he graduated high school to pay them back for shooting their prize-winning breeding bull.

Some people, and they come in all races colours and creeds, should not be anywhere near a gun.
 
2013-02-25 01:42:31 PM  
"This was an accident but it was a death waiting to happen."WTF am I reading?I'm ok with the sentence. It doesn't bring the dead guy back to life and perhaps it will deter others from being completely farking retarded like the people in this story.

Goddamn this new HTML editor is full of bugs.
 
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