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(ArtsJournal)   TSA wrecks concert cellist's instrument and bow by slamming the case lid down in order to close it. TSA employee's excuse: "I thought there's always room for cello"   (artsjournal.com) divider line 85
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2013-02-24 09:00:28 PM
24 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons will change their policies to exclude TSA damage, neatly passing the buck to the consumer without affecting the status quo.


FTFY.
2013-02-24 07:48:32 PM
10 votes:
Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons. It sucks, but considering that the insurance bastards own this country, affecting their bottom line seems to be the only way.
2013-02-24 09:04:00 PM
9 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?


Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.  According to the article, he had two, but one was in the shop being repaired due to an unrelated incident.  This is the bow that was repaired but broke again during the concert.  The TSA broke what would have been his backup bow, so he had to borrow one during the performance.

Having only two $20k bows seems pretty reasonable if you ask me.
2013-02-24 08:57:23 PM
8 votes:
You hire goons ... you have to expect them to behave like goons.
2013-02-24 08:59:55 PM
7 votes:
Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.
2013-02-24 09:26:25 PM
6 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Not really considering how ridiculously insane musicians are and the salary that people at his level make.


Unless you've released a Grammy-award-winning classical album with your name across the top of it, your income as a professional orchestral musician is about dick-fifty per year.  Dick-seventy-five, if you're union and have seniority.
2013-02-24 09:06:18 PM
6 votes:
If I didn't live here, I don't think I'd come here.
2013-02-24 08:58:57 PM
6 votes:
If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.
2013-02-24 09:46:53 PM
5 votes:

Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.


The law was passed almost unanimously by both parties and signed by the President. Both parties made a mistake, both parties sponsored it and supported it, neither could've passed it alone. Both parties, upon opportunity for sober reflection and with the evidence of the real-world effect of their well-meaning (if cowardly) mistake, should fix it. But desperately scrounging up a tiny wisp of partisan blame is a more valuable pursuit, so carry on.
2013-02-24 09:34:56 PM
5 votes:

gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.


Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
2013-02-24 09:26:45 PM
5 votes:

Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.


The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.
2013-02-24 09:03:38 PM
5 votes:
Ouch! csb...My friend is a cello professor and a professional performer. The cello he uses when he performs is worth $300k. He doesn't own it - his school pays for him to rent it. When he travels, the cello gets it's own seat. With an instrument that valuable, it makes sense.
2013-02-24 11:29:08 PM
4 votes:
FunkOut:
I read the comments under the article and apparently sometimes musicians who buy their instrument a seat have it bumped into cargo anyway against their will.


I would take the next flight, as would pretty much anybody I know.

I had a 7-figure violin loaned to me for a few years, it was a lifestyle change to have it. The insurance on those instruments is 10-20K a year and very specific. A cello traveling in cargo might invalidate the insurance. In the eyes of the insurance co., you're carrying around a Rembrandt painting.

The major league string world can be an enormous racket, quite a few prominent dealers have been thrown in jail in the past 10 years. Appraising an instrument is some strange shiat: only a handful of people can issue "papers" that are universally respected. One can take a violin to one of those people, and they charge 5-10% of the value for papers. Therefore, saying an instrument is a Strad can get one of these guys 100-200 grand in ten minutes so they are going to make the appraisal sky high.  The leading American guy (now deceased) turned dirty at the end of his life so all of his papers are basically worthless, even though someone might have paid 6 figures to get them. The original makers would put a paper sticker inside the instruments, but paper will disintegrate after a few hundred years so none of the paper stickers inside are original, they are all copies. As a result of all that, it's a business that has some major fraud at every level.
2013-02-24 09:38:24 PM
4 votes:
Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
royalboiler.files.wordpress.com
2013-02-24 09:20:04 PM
4 votes:

starlost: yawn. musician problems.


Wait until one of them manages to drop your laptop.

Bottom line is that if they put their hands on your valuables they should be bonded for the value of what it is they touch.

But let's see if that ever happens.
2013-02-24 10:20:45 PM
3 votes:
What had happened? Why did I only realize this two and a half weeks after the incident? And how dare I complain when I took the risk of damaging my cello by checking it with ordinary bags? Some people seem to believe I deserve such an accident.

Nice to see him pre-empting the usual snarky Farker arguments that he should have bought the cello its own seat. You'll also note it was damaged by the TSA, not the baggage handlers. They opened the case to check it, which would have happened regardless of whether he checked it or carried it on. As for not traveling with such an expensive instrument, well, that's how he makes his living, and when people pay to see him play, they pay to see him at his best. Imagine the guys who raced today at Daytona showing up with crappy rental cars saying, "Well, our real race cars are too valuable to risk in a transporter out on the highway with all the accidents and inattentive drivers."

Making excuses for the morons who broke his six-figure instrument, which he uses to make his living, and implying that it's somehow HIS fault? WTF?
2013-02-24 09:42:21 PM
3 votes:

Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.


It also survived 2003-2006 where the House, Senate, and Presidency were solidly Republican; 2007-2008 (D legislature R prez); 2009-2010 (all D); and 2011-present (D prez and Senate, R House). Any of those Congresses and Presidents could have pushed through repeal or major reform of the TSA; they have not.

Sorry, but this is one of the issues on which both sides are pretty much equally bad.
2013-02-24 09:32:21 PM
3 votes:

kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.


Say what? We, as a nation, don't. The problem is that any politician who tries to get rid of them will be called a terrorist, and a destroyer of American Jobs.
2013-02-24 09:27:06 PM
3 votes:
The politicians could easily end this TSA bullshiat tomorrow by decree,
But they are gutless poer and money-grubbers with spines of jello. All of them.
Any thinking person should have zero respect for the overpaid suited ones.
2013-02-24 09:10:24 PM
3 votes:

Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.


Those Bush Democrats were the worst!
2013-02-24 09:04:27 PM
3 votes:
It's amazing how rare a decent human being is these days. Certainly the TSA cannot find one.
2013-02-24 09:01:34 PM
3 votes:
Surely the solution is to require a bachelor's degree for TSA agents.

State_College_Arsonist: At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.


Meh. Maybe if you stay within a country. When you hit customs that's a whole new level of scum. I'd try a freight forwarder, someone who will put the cello in the luggage compartment of a bus or train, for example. You bypass the warehousing and handling that way.
2013-02-24 09:01:27 PM
3 votes:
Cretinous swine.
2013-02-25 01:03:11 AM
2 votes:

HotWingAgenda: GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?


Good instruments cost money (especially the string ones, since the gold standard instruments are about 400 years old, and there's like 12 of them left.  It's exactly like buying and carrying around a Rembrandt).

And there is a huge difference between your run of the mill instrument and the masterworks.  There's a reason they command huge prices.  A good musician can make the really good instruments sound really, really good.  Think of it like Tiger Wood's golf clubs.  Yeah, he could take any old club out and do pretty well (ie: better than 99.9% of America), but give him the right clubs, and he's a master.

There's a reason why a lot of high school kids use $3000 clarinets, or $2000 trumpets (or $10K tubas provided by the school. In general, low bass or low strings are school-provided).  They just sound better, and they're honestly easier to play well if you have good habits.    (aka there's a reason why the $120 Ebay trumpet was relegated to marching band, and the $1500 trumpet with the $100 mouthpiece was the performance instrument).
HBK
2013-02-25 12:20:55 AM
2 votes:

clowncar on fire: Sorry you feel the world seems so intrusive. You can't play nice- this is what happens. I'm sure the TSA has better things than poking around in people's anii and looking at flourescopic "hotties" all day and would probly prefer doing those things. Why is it we expect the government to dictate what quantity of junkfood is acceptable but we want them to butt out when it comes to security?


As far as the TSA having better things to do than invade the privacy of millions of travelers- they don't. Were there no TSA, most of the folks working there would be janitors or fry cooks. To work for the TSA you need either a G.E.D. OR a few years working security elsewhere. You don't even need to be high school educated. Yet we allow these people to operate highly complex machinery that has not been tested for negative health effects.

Jaws_Victim: not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


So, you report your counterparts who are not honest, who break laws, and who are discourteous? If not, you're just as bad as them. I was mostly fine with the TSA before the backscatter machines- when it was just metal detectors and bombsniffers. I've opted out all but twice since they were put in (flew 30+ times per year from 2006-11). Almost every time I opt out, I get nothing but intentional delay (I can see seven of your employees sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing in lanes that aren't even open for screening) and attitude from the TSA reps. On top of that, when they pull me out of line, they scan my stuff and don't let me collect them or even set them aside so other travelers don't grab my wallet.

Other than that, congrats on working for a shiatty organization with the same education requirements as the jizz mopper at the local porn theater. I'm sure you enjoy touching children and old people, for freedom or whatever. The fact that we do this to ourselves is proof that the terrorists won.
2013-02-24 11:25:32 PM
2 votes:

Arctic Phoenix: TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0

My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.


newsgrift.com
2013-02-24 10:50:28 PM
2 votes:

DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.


I do underwater photography. Between lenses, camera, housing, lens ports and strobes, I have 15-20k invested. I travel with the bare minimum, and still have been treated like my clear plastic housing is some elaborate explosive. TSA people treated me with hostility when, after ripping all of my stuff apart, I asked to put it back together. And this was carry-on. No freaking way am I trusting my gear to people who can open my luggage, break thing and shove it back in, haphazardly, with that cute "we looked at your stuff" flier they use.

//thinks that the element of "treat others' belongings as you'd want your own treated is lost
///has also been felt up in the interest of national security, because, God knows, my underwire is a secret weapon.
2013-02-24 10:26:54 PM
2 votes:

Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.


not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.
2013-02-24 10:18:31 PM
2 votes:

LesterB: GORDON: You don't have to worry about the TSA if you don't have an orifice or property to be searched.  Having an orifice on your person or you have private property is implicit permission to be searched by the government.

America, love it or leave it.

Obama 2016.

You were doing so well, but then you stumbled on the dismount.

-5 from the Russian judge


Been seeing so much government boot-licking lately from the "freedom loving" left that blaming Obama for a department under his control is just sort of a knee-jerk reaction to these sort of things.

I don't care that Bush signed it into law from a democrat-controlled congress... Obama is in charge NOW, and this shiat is currently his responsibility.
2013-02-24 09:36:04 PM
2 votes:
I was sympathetic until I saw that he was not using a flight case or a flight cover for his regular case. Then I reconsidered after realizing that using one would have been immaterial in regards to whether his bow, bridge, and soundpost got damaged as they did. The baggage inspector wouldn't have magically turned into less of an ignorant goon if the cello had been in a flight case.
2013-02-24 09:20:57 PM
2 votes:

Jaws_Victim: To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...


It's a start.
2013-02-24 09:19:53 PM
2 votes:
When I was in high school, my orchestra class went overseas for spring break. We did check our instruments, and the airline gave them special handling, if I remember correctly. And I don't think there were any major issues with it. (My cello had no problems flying there and back.)

But that was (less than a year) before 9/11 and the TSA and the clusterfark air travel has become. I would not want to be flying with an instrument now.

/Possibly not even a kazoo.
//Depending on what those look like in a baggage scanner.
2013-02-24 09:18:50 PM
2 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

//on the fat side of heavy
//always eat beans before air travel
//make slightly sugestive comments as i get patted down.

I once saw a man do the same but he was wearing a kilt at JWA i wish i had come up with that.


Do you know you spell your name wrong? Caladan too. But you spelled Harkonnen right.

Just wondered.
2013-02-24 09:08:34 PM
2 votes:

DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.


I read the comments under the article and apparently sometimes musicians who buy their instrument a seat have it bumped into cargo anyway against their will. What an industry, you pay them good money for something and they still do whatever they want.
2013-02-24 09:07:04 PM
2 votes:
This is why I'll only play the female organ.
2013-02-24 09:06:27 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: In 23 years of travel, neither my cello nor my bows have been harmed by the case being thrown around by baggage handlers. What happened here is that people felt the need to open the case and close it with brutal force.

why was it opened in the first place?
2013-02-24 09:05:20 PM
2 votes:
I thought smashing instruments was the airlines job.
2013-02-24 09:05:06 PM
2 votes:

FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.


That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.
2013-02-24 08:59:19 PM
2 votes:
Barbarians the lot of them.
2013-02-24 08:59:13 PM
2 votes:
During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?
2013-02-24 08:57:39 PM
2 votes:
At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.  I don't know who's worse, the mob-affiliated baggage handlers or the TSA.
2013-02-25 04:14:28 PM
1 votes:

Jaws_Victim: Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.

not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Indeed.  According to my Grandfather, so were the majority of the guards at the POW camp he spent 2 1/2 years in.  Right up until the SS came in and told them to not be nice anymore.

/Stalag 7A - Moosburg
//A nice puppet is still a puppet
2013-02-25 09:03:36 AM
1 votes:

lolpix: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

Those Bush Democrats were the worst!


Bush has been out of office 4 years now and there are more than a few Republicans that hate the TSA.  If Obama cared to change/abolish it, he could have done so with ease.

Both parties have equal ownership of this one.
2013-02-25 02:48:25 AM
1 votes:
img685.imageshack.us
2013-02-25 01:29:33 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Ah, the TSA. The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot when the Department of Homeland Security has it's family reunions.


The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot at the family reunion takes great offense that you'd ever compare his kind to something as impaired as the TSA.

/my ancestors were retards
//proud retards
2013-02-25 12:50:11 AM
1 votes:
If I had a nickle for every time some overzealous TSA agent broke my G-string ...
2013-02-25 12:39:41 AM
1 votes:

Duke_leto_Atredes: Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
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Not the problem.  The problem is a lot of people (mostly Republicans, but some democrats) still like the TSA.  They don't like when it gets in their face, they don't like the one time every 3 years they have to deal with it, but when anyone tries to start something,k raise issue, or pick a fight all it takes is one TSA spokesman/politico to say, "BOO!  Terrorists gunna git ya!" and the measure fails.

Add in that the "freedom freedom freedumb" crowd will still prioritize tax cuts (and corporate welfare, like the TSA) over stopping this shiat and a majority of the country CHOOSES this.
2013-02-25 12:08:56 AM
1 votes:

Jaws_Victim: part of the problem: Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.

And discussing what these animals did to the wiring on my pre CBS Stratocaster makes me wanna join al queda. They apparently saw a bunch of wires on an x ray and lost their wothless minds.

Last time a promoter asked me to fly for a gig I seriously discussed having them buy me a guitar when I got there....

you certainly sound like a reasonable person who would never commit terrorism. Despite saying you want to join a terrorist organization. This is how silly you sound.


Youre new here...aintcha?
It's called sarcasm........
2013-02-24 11:51:08 PM
1 votes:
Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.

And discussing what these animals did to the wiring on my pre CBS Stratocaster makes me wanna join al queda. They apparently saw a bunch of wires on an x ray and lost their wothless minds.

Last time a promoter asked me to fly for a gig I seriously discussed having them buy me a guitar when I got there....
2013-02-24 11:38:31 PM
1 votes:
Could be worse.

mimg.ugo.com

/"We have nothing to declare!"
//"Except a cello... cello cello cello"
2013-02-24 11:21:44 PM
1 votes:

Mithiwithi: Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.

It also survived 2003-2006 where the House, Senate, and Presidency were solidly Republican; 2007-2008 (D legislature R prez); 2009-2010 (all D); and 2011-present (D prez and Senate, R House). Any of those Congresses and Presidents could have pushed through repeal or major reform of the TSA; they have not.

Sorry, but this is one of the issues on which both sides are pretty much equally bad.


All snark aside, what's keeping the TSA alive now is twofold. One is, it's become a bureaucracy in and of itself, and, like any bureaucracy, exists on its own inertia. There would have to be an initiative to study the feasibility of eliminating the TSA, an agency to examine the study, a department to evaluate the agency, etc., before the TSA could be totally done away with at this point.

The other problem is that America  is really good at creating bad problems and getting tough on them, but very bad at declaring said problems solved and backing down. We declared a "war on terror" and now we're stuck with it, because anyone who suggests "Let's scale back the TSA" will get slammed by his opponents as being "soft on terrorists"; just like anyone who suggests "Let's dial down the marijuana laws" gets slammed for being "soft on crime", and anyone who wants to reexamine the immigration policies gets derided for wanting to let people just wander into America without any restrictions at all. Then the suggestor has to backpedal and, often has to prove how tough he is by ramping up on whatever it is instead.

Look at how hard a time California has had getting the three-strikes law loosened just a little bit--even though the backlog of court cases and prison overcrowding directly related to three-strikes has led to courts having to shut down civil, family and traffic courts so that courtrooms can be diverted for criminal cases. For the same reason, TSA will never be shut down, because anyone who tries will have to face ZOMFG!!! TERRORISTS!!! from every pants-shiatting freak in the land.
2013-02-24 11:14:07 PM
1 votes:
I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.
2013-02-24 11:13:50 PM
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Representative of the unwashed masses: or you could get a competent force like the RCMP...


That's the problem. The TSA are basically government employed private security guards. They have no law enforcement power other than to hold you at the checkpoint and call for a law enforcement officer to arrest you. They don't even get a fraction of the training a federal police officer would get.
2013-02-24 11:10:05 PM
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State_College_Arsonist: At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.  I don't know who's worse, the mob-affiliated baggage handlers or the TSA.


Farking firing it from a field artillery piece is a safer option.
2013-02-24 11:06:48 PM
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clowncar on fire: Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.  I have even been able to escort my kids to their flight a couple of times (dispite my being non-ticketed) without them batting an eye as I passed through.  I have seen some people biatching about having to either finish or dump their $7 coffees but I thought the agent in place did an excellant job maintaining her bearing while dealing with them.  I did see an argumentative drunk get a little roughed up but he got to walk once he cooled down for a couple minutes.


Without carefully counting, I've flown out of the country 5-6 times in that time, and taken another 2-3 domestic round trips annually and I consistently opt out of the backscatter machines.  My experiences with TSOs in person have been neutral to positive.  Nothing's been stolen from my luggage -- I'm actually up a 2 Euro coin that showed up once with an inspection notice.

However, it's clear that the agency protects the minority of agents who use their badge to steal, rape, or smuggle drugs.  It uses its power to punish people who disrespect or criticize them, particularly those who point out they do things that make no damn sense with respect to security.

It's a founding principal of this country, written into the Constitution, that we can criticize our Governmental betters without fear of reprisal, but that's not something the TSA respects.
2013-02-24 10:43:16 PM
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fnordfocus: clowncar on fire: fnordfocus: Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling

The two bloggers that revealed TSA protocol and then refused to divulge their source?  Yeah, probably questions needed asking but this was not about criticism so much as revealing insider information.  Looks like a computer that was turned over voluntarily got broken, and a couple of hours lost in questioning.  Subpoena withdrawn two days after it was issued.

Two bloggers with insider information does not constitute "anyone who criticizes the TSA".

that's the beauty of a police state.  There's always a law you can go to prison for.  In this case, the bloggers weren't behind the leak, and the information wasn't sensitive and should have been public anyone, except the TSA claims to be above to FOIA.

and a pilot who do complained that flight crews get felt up while ground fees get a free pass?

Also, an alleged 8000 other raids annually.


Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.  I have even been able to escort my kids to their flight a couple of times (dispite my being non-ticketed) without them batting an eye as I passed through.  I have seen some people biatching about having to either finish or dump their $7 coffees but I thought the agent in place did an excellant job maintaining her bearing while dealing with them.  I did see an argumentative drunk get a little roughed up but he got to walk once he cooled down for a couple minutes.

Sorry you feel the world seems so intrusive.  You can't play nice- this is what happens.  I'm sure the TSA has better things than poking around in people's anii and looking at flourescopic "hotties" all day and would probly prefer doing those things.  Why is it we expect the government to dictate what quantity of junkfood is acceptable but we want them to butt out when it comes to security?
2013-02-24 10:36:29 PM
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GORDON: I don't care that Bush signed it into law from a democrat-controlled congress.


The powers in Washington have always wanted a national police force, they were just waiting for the opportunity to start one up without the rest of the country going "wtf?".

/federales, like any third-world banana republic
2013-02-24 09:57:39 PM
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mrlewish: I know the TSA inspectors are the poors so we should have zero tolerances for mistakes that are made.  You know millions of people going though every day without incident but one problem and we have to condemn them all.


Millions...without incident?  Do you ever fly?
2013-02-24 09:50:52 PM
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content8.flixster.com
2013-02-24 09:45:46 PM
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lolpix: Those Bush Democrats were the worst!


The Bush Democrats we have now, headed up by Barack Obama, most certainly are the worst. Bush's 4th term, indeed. Thanks dumbass liberals who voted for him twice.
2013-02-24 09:45:09 PM
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3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-24 09:43:50 PM
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It's a sickening story, and becoming more common every day. There should be some category of luggage check-in that would accommodate musical instruments so they aren't destroyed. Buying a ticket for your instrument just to ensure that isn't thrown, bounced, kicked, crushed, opened, snapped, twisted and ruined is the only way right now, and that's unacceptable.
2013-02-24 09:43:05 PM
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kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.


Givem the TSA's tendency to raid the homes of anyone who criticizes them, is it surprising that nobody speaks out?
2013-02-24 09:42:06 PM
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utah dude: all TSA agents are muslim terrorists that need to be strip searched and deported to gitmo.


I'd really get behind that if we could shoot them first.
Fascists.
2013-02-24 09:41:28 PM
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ultraholland: bunner: - 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874

damn, that's lower than limbo stick


I didn't hire your writers.
2013-02-24 09:41:11 PM
1 votes:
all TSA agents are muslim terrorists that need to be strip searched and deported to gitmo.
2013-02-24 09:40:44 PM
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Honestly, I've never met a gov't employee that didn't deserve a punch in the face. I've seriously never had any encounter with such an employee that gave me any impression that they were actual human beings with empathy or courtesy. Trusting something valuable to one of them, whether it's the TSA or whoever, is like gambling in Vegas except the only reward is that they actually manage to not fark up in the process.
Oak
2013-02-24 09:32:22 PM
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gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.


Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.
2013-02-24 09:30:51 PM
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GORDON: You don't have to worry about the TSA if you don't have an orifice or property to be searched.  Having an orifice on your person or you have private property is implicit permission to be searched by the government.

America, love it or leave it.

Obama 2016.


You were doing so well, but then you stumbled on the dismount.

-5 from the Russian judge
kab
2013-02-24 09:30:20 PM
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The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.
2013-02-24 09:29:27 PM
1 votes:

ultraholland: Thanks, Obama.


Lol wut?
 iamkoream.com
2013-02-24 09:25:53 PM
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I like how part of his story about repairing the damaged bow was taking it to a guy that was fixing another one of his bows he'd broken through its regular use, its like they're fragile or something.
2013-02-24 09:25:47 PM
1 votes:

ultraholland: Thanks, Obama.


- 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874  Seriously.  Clapped out beyond belief.
2013-02-24 09:22:15 PM
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"Haw, breakz0r UR sh*t, haw, cause security!"  If your mouth tastes like dick, maybe it's time to fire the people that stick them in your face.
2013-02-24 09:14:37 PM
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The agent's name was Oranjello
2013-02-24 09:14:09 PM
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No wonder the intercity bus companies are having a huge boom in the states. I'm living oversees so I have to fly and put up with the TSA. I'd be driving, taking the bus, train, horseback, skateboard, mule - anything to avoid these guys.
2013-02-24 09:08:35 PM
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GizmoToy: Having only two $20k bows seems pretty reasonable if you ask me.


Not really considering how ridiculously insane musicians are and the salary that people at his level make.
2013-02-24 09:08:26 PM
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i.imgur.com
"One never implies ownership in the event of a cello...always A cello, never...YOUR cello."
Oak
2013-02-24 09:07:36 PM
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ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.


There's a reason for them: Democrats.
2013-02-24 09:07:14 PM
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Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down


That sounds more like a fetish, and less like giving them a hard time. >_>
2013-02-24 09:06:36 PM
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Ah, the TSA. The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot when the Department of Homeland Security has it's family reunions.
2013-02-24 09:02:57 PM
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To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...
2013-02-24 09:02:30 PM
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I get it, but this guy seems like he deserves a little inconvenience every once in a while. Seems a little short in the karma department.
2013-02-24 08:58:55 PM
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boo hoo, i'm playing the world's smallest violin...
2013-02-24 08:58:47 PM
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Because so many terrorists have hidden bombs inside valuable musical instruments.
 
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