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(ArtsJournal)   TSA wrecks concert cellist's instrument and bow by slamming the case lid down in order to close it. TSA employee's excuse: "I thought there's always room for cello"   (artsjournal.com) divider line 199
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2013-02-24 04:04:53 PM
I'm sure that struck a sour note.
 
2013-02-24 07:48:32 PM
Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons. It sucks, but considering that the insurance bastards own this country, affecting their bottom line seems to be the only way.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:19 PM
yawn. musician problems.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:23 PM
You hire goons ... you have to expect them to behave like goons.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:39 PM
At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.  I don't know who's worse, the mob-affiliated baggage handlers or the TSA.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:54 PM
R.I.P. Cee Lo
 
2013-02-24 08:58:47 PM
Because so many terrorists have hidden bombs inside valuable musical instruments.
 
2013-02-24 08:58:55 PM
boo hoo, i'm playing the world's smallest violin...
 
2013-02-24 08:58:57 PM
If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.
 
2013-02-24 08:59:13 PM
During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?
 
2013-02-24 08:59:19 PM
Barbarians the lot of them.
 
2013-02-24 08:59:55 PM
Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.
 
2013-02-24 09:00:28 PM

Vodka Zombie: Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons will change their policies to exclude TSA damage, neatly passing the buck to the consumer without affecting the status quo.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-24 09:01:27 PM
Cretinous swine.
 
2013-02-24 09:01:34 PM
Surely the solution is to require a bachelor's degree for TSA agents.

State_College_Arsonist: At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.


Meh. Maybe if you stay within a country. When you hit customs that's a whole new level of scum. I'd try a freight forwarder, someone who will put the cello in the luggage compartment of a bus or train, for example. You bypass the warehousing and handling that way.
 
2013-02-24 09:02:30 PM
I get it, but this guy seems like he deserves a little inconvenience every once in a while. Seems a little short in the karma department.
 
2013-02-24 09:02:57 PM
To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...
 
2013-02-24 09:03:38 PM
Ouch! csb...My friend is a cello professor and a professional performer. The cello he uses when he performs is worth $300k. He doesn't own it - his school pays for him to rent it. When he travels, the cello gets it's own seat. With an instrument that valuable, it makes sense.
 
2013-02-24 09:04:00 PM
slamming down the case lid

UPDATE [Stupid_shiat] SET lid=50

F5

fark I FORGOT THE WHERE CLAUSE!!
 
2013-02-24 09:04:00 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?


Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.  According to the article, he had two, but one was in the shop being repaired due to an unrelated incident.  This is the bow that was repaired but broke again during the concert.  The TSA broke what would have been his backup bow, so he had to borrow one during the performance.

Having only two $20k bows seems pretty reasonable if you ask me.
 
2013-02-24 09:04:27 PM
It's amazing how rare a decent human being is these days. Certainly the TSA cannot find one.
 
2013-02-24 09:05:06 PM

FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.


That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.
 
2013-02-24 09:05:18 PM
I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

//on the fat side of heavy
//always eat beans before air travel
//make slightly sugestive comments as i get patted down.

I once saw a man do the same but he was wearing a kilt at JWA i wish i had come up with that.
 
2013-02-24 09:05:20 PM
I thought smashing instruments was the airlines job.
 
2013-02-24 09:06:07 PM
You don't have to worry about the TSA if you don't have an orifice or property to be searched.  Having an orifice on your person or you have private property is implicit permission to be searched by the government.

America, love it or leave it.

Obama 2016.
 
2013-02-24 09:06:18 PM
If I didn't live here, I don't think I'd come here.
 
2013-02-24 09:06:27 PM
FTFA: In 23 years of travel, neither my cello nor my bows have been harmed by the case being thrown around by baggage handlers. What happened here is that people felt the need to open the case and close it with brutal force.

why was it opened in the first place?
 
2013-02-24 09:06:36 PM
Ah, the TSA. The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot when the Department of Homeland Security has it's family reunions.
 
2013-02-24 09:07:04 PM
This is why I'll only play the female organ.
 
2013-02-24 09:07:14 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down


That sounds more like a fetish, and less like giving them a hard time. >_>
 
Oak
2013-02-24 09:07:36 PM

ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.


There's a reason for them: Democrats.
 
2013-02-24 09:08:21 PM

Vodka Zombie: Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons. It sucks, but considering that the insurance bastards own this country, affecting their bottom line seems to be the only way.


I would have thought that TSA damage as already excluded, just like your car insurance won't pay out if a cop drives his car into your house or daughter.
 
2013-02-24 09:08:26 PM
i.imgur.com
"One never implies ownership in the event of a cello...always A cello, never...YOUR cello."
 
2013-02-24 09:08:34 PM

DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.


I read the comments under the article and apparently sometimes musicians who buy their instrument a seat have it bumped into cargo anyway against their will. What an industry, you pay them good money for something and they still do whatever they want.
 
2013-02-24 09:08:35 PM

GizmoToy: Having only two $20k bows seems pretty reasonable if you ask me.


Not really considering how ridiculously insane musicians are and the salary that people at his level make.
 
2013-02-24 09:09:43 PM

BronyMedic: Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

That sounds more like a fetish, and less like giving them a hard time. >_>


WELLLL
 
2013-02-24 09:10:24 PM

Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.


Those Bush Democrats were the worst!
 
2013-02-24 09:14:09 PM
No wonder the intercity bus companies are having a huge boom in the states. I'm living oversees so I have to fly and put up with the TSA. I'd be driving, taking the bus, train, horseback, skateboard, mule - anything to avoid these guys.
 
2013-02-24 09:14:37 PM
The agent's name was Oranjello
 
2013-02-24 09:16:45 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?


Of course, it's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a cello... always use the indefinite article a cello, never your cello.
 
2013-02-24 09:18:50 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

//on the fat side of heavy
//always eat beans before air travel
//make slightly sugestive comments as i get patted down.

I once saw a man do the same but he was wearing a kilt at JWA i wish i had come up with that.


Do you know you spell your name wrong? Caladan too. But you spelled Harkonnen right.

Just wondered.
 
2013-02-24 09:19:53 PM
When I was in high school, my orchestra class went overseas for spring break. We did check our instruments, and the airline gave them special handling, if I remember correctly. And I don't think there were any major issues with it. (My cello had no problems flying there and back.)

But that was (less than a year) before 9/11 and the TSA and the clusterfark air travel has become. I would not want to be flying with an instrument now.

/Possibly not even a kazoo.
//Depending on what those look like in a baggage scanner.
 
2013-02-24 09:20:04 PM

starlost: yawn. musician problems.


Wait until one of them manages to drop your laptop.

Bottom line is that if they put their hands on your valuables they should be bonded for the value of what it is they touch.

But let's see if that ever happens.
 
2013-02-24 09:20:57 PM

Jaws_Victim: To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...


It's a start.
 
2013-02-24 09:21:07 PM

starlost: yawn. musician problems.


Don't you like music?
 
2013-02-24 09:22:15 PM
"Haw, breakz0r UR sh*t, haw, cause security!"  If your mouth tastes like dick, maybe it's time to fire the people that stick them in your face.
 
2013-02-24 09:22:37 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?


GizmoToy: Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.


wow.zamimg.com
 
2013-02-24 09:23:58 PM
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-02-24 09:25:47 PM

ultraholland: Thanks, Obama.


- 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874  Seriously.  Clapped out beyond belief.
 
2013-02-24 09:25:53 PM
I like how part of his story about repairing the damaged bow was taking it to a guy that was fixing another one of his bows he'd broken through its regular use, its like they're fragile or something.
 
2013-02-24 09:26:25 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Not really considering how ridiculously insane musicians are and the salary that people at his level make.


Unless you've released a Grammy-award-winning classical album with your name across the top of it, your income as a professional orchestral musician is about dick-fifty per year.  Dick-seventy-five, if you're union and have seniority.
 
2013-02-24 09:26:45 PM

Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.


The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.
 
2013-02-24 09:27:06 PM
The politicians could easily end this TSA bullshiat tomorrow by decree,
But they are gutless poer and money-grubbers with spines of jello. All of them.
Any thinking person should have zero respect for the overpaid suited ones.
 
2013-02-24 09:28:30 PM
I took the risk of damaging my cello by checking it with ordinary bags.
 
2013-02-24 09:29:27 PM

ultraholland: Thanks, Obama.


Lol wut?
 iamkoream.com
 
kab
2013-02-24 09:30:20 PM
The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.
 
2013-02-24 09:30:22 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Any thinking person should have zero respect for the overpaid suited ones.


t2.gstatic.com

Posture of authority!

Harrumph!
 
2013-02-24 09:30:44 PM
bunner: - 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874

damn, that's lower than limbo stick
 
2013-02-24 09:30:51 PM

GORDON: You don't have to worry about the TSA if you don't have an orifice or property to be searched.  Having an orifice on your person or you have private property is implicit permission to be searched by the government.

America, love it or leave it.

Obama 2016.


You were doing so well, but then you stumbled on the dismount.

-5 from the Russian judge
 
2013-02-24 09:32:21 PM

kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.


Say what? We, as a nation, don't. The problem is that any politician who tries to get rid of them will be called a terrorist, and a destroyer of American Jobs.
 
Oak
2013-02-24 09:32:22 PM

gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.


Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.
 
2013-02-24 09:34:56 PM

gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.


Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
 
2013-02-24 09:35:57 PM

LDM90: Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

//on the fat side of heavy
//always eat beans before air travel
//make slightly sugestive comments as i get patted down.

I once saw a man do the same but he was wearing a kilt at JWA i wish i had come up with that.

Do you know you spell your name wrong? Caladan too. But you spelled Harkonnen right.

Just wonderd


just to see who notices and comments

//Have read all the books including the ghost written ones with the sons name on them. they were pretty bad.

re reading richard III at the moment.
 
2013-02-24 09:36:04 PM
I was sympathetic until I saw that he was not using a flight case or a flight cover for his regular case. Then I reconsidered after realizing that using one would have been immaterial in regards to whether his bow, bridge, and soundpost got damaged as they did. The baggage inspector wouldn't have magically turned into less of an ignorant goon if the cello had been in a flight case.
 
2013-02-24 09:38:24 PM
Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
royalboiler.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-24 09:38:44 PM

MorePeasPlease: SockMonkeyHolocaust: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

GizmoToy: Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

[wow.zamimg.com image 435x152]


Ooops!
 
2013-02-24 09:40:44 PM
Honestly, I've never met a gov't employee that didn't deserve a punch in the face. I've seriously never had any encounter with such an employee that gave me any impression that they were actual human beings with empathy or courtesy. Trusting something valuable to one of them, whether it's the TSA or whoever, is like gambling in Vegas except the only reward is that they actually manage to not fark up in the process.
 
2013-02-24 09:41:11 PM
all TSA agents are muslim terrorists that need to be strip searched and deported to gitmo.
 
2013-02-24 09:41:28 PM

ultraholland: bunner: - 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874

damn, that's lower than limbo stick


I didn't hire your writers.
 
2013-02-24 09:42:06 PM

utah dude: all TSA agents are muslim terrorists that need to be strip searched and deported to gitmo.


I'd really get behind that if we could shoot them first.
Fascists.
 
2013-02-24 09:42:21 PM

Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.


It also survived 2003-2006 where the House, Senate, and Presidency were solidly Republican; 2007-2008 (D legislature R prez); 2009-2010 (all D); and 2011-present (D prez and Senate, R House). Any of those Congresses and Presidents could have pushed through repeal or major reform of the TSA; they have not.

Sorry, but this is one of the issues on which both sides are pretty much equally bad.
 
2013-02-24 09:43:05 PM

kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.


Givem the TSA's tendency to raid the homes of anyone who criticizes them, is it surprising that nobody speaks out?
 
2013-02-24 09:43:50 PM
It's a sickening story, and becoming more common every day. There should be some category of luggage check-in that would accommodate musical instruments so they aren't destroyed. Buying a ticket for your instrument just to ensure that isn't thrown, bounced, kicked, crushed, opened, snapped, twisted and ruined is the only way right now, and that's unacceptable.
 
2013-02-24 09:44:26 PM
www.worldofstock.com

Do they even allow a carry on this large.  Makes one go hmmmmmm....
 
2013-02-24 09:45:09 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-24 09:45:46 PM

lolpix: Those Bush Democrats were the worst!


The Bush Democrats we have now, headed up by Barack Obama, most certainly are the worst. Bush's 4th term, indeed. Thanks dumbass liberals who voted for him twice.
 
2013-02-24 09:46:53 PM

Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.


The law was passed almost unanimously by both parties and signed by the President. Both parties made a mistake, both parties sponsored it and supported it, neither could've passed it alone. Both parties, upon opportunity for sober reflection and with the evidence of the real-world effect of their well-meaning (if cowardly) mistake, should fix it. But desperately scrounging up a tiny wisp of partisan blame is a more valuable pursuit, so carry on.
 
2013-02-24 09:47:08 PM

vudukungfu: I'd really get behind that if we could shoot them first.
Fascists.


as per the protocol of the geneva kyoto convention, only if you use a drone with an glock ar-47 on it.
 
2013-02-24 09:47:45 PM

Gyrfalcon: Because so many terrorists have hidden bombs inside valuable musical instruments.


fnordfocus: kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.

Givem the TSA's tendency to raid the homes of anyone who criticizes them, is it surprising that nobody speaks out?


*citation or shut-up please*
 
2013-02-24 09:50:52 PM
content8.flixster.com
 
2013-02-24 09:51:58 PM
my goodness a 30 pound nitrocellulose covered device on an airplane. it's amazing how fretless the stewardess was about it all.
 
2013-02-24 09:55:10 PM
I know the TSA inspectors are the poors so we should have zero tolerances for mistakes that are made.  You know millions of people going though every day without incident but one problem and we have to condemn them all.
 
2013-02-24 09:57:39 PM

mrlewish: I know the TSA inspectors are the poors so we should have zero tolerances for mistakes that are made.  You know millions of people going though every day without incident but one problem and we have to condemn them all.


Millions...without incident?  Do you ever fly?
 
2013-02-24 09:58:53 PM

clowncar on fire: *citation or shut-up please*


Off the top of my head, bloggers Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling, and an anonymous Sacramento-area pilot.  Their crimes were basically pointing that TSA security procedures made no damn sense.
 
2013-02-24 10:00:15 PM
I can't wait for the youtube song that's written to protest this one.
 
2013-02-24 10:10:33 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: During the 30 seconds of orchestra tutti I put my bow down, signaled the conductor to keep on going, walked over to the assistant principal cellist and silently asked for her bow. I will never forget the expression in her face - she must have thought I had gone mad! I finished the concerto on her bow wondering what I had done to deserve such challenges. Oh, I have never had emotional attachment to things, and as a father I know the only really tragic loss, the loss of your child, but to make music I do depend on good equipment.

What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?


Well, it would happen with *my* dildo or *your* dildo, but maybe for *a* dildo.
 
2013-02-24 10:10:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: Because so many terrorists have hidden bombs inside valuable musical instruments.


It only takes once. We'll never know how many times such a situation has been prevented thanks to the good work the TSA is doing.
 
2013-02-24 10:11:08 PM
would > wouldn't


/that comment was dildoes
 
2013-02-24 10:15:31 PM

fnordfocus: Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling


The two bloggers that revealed TSA protocol and then refused to divulge their source?  Yeah, probably questions needed asking but this was not about criticism so much as revealing insider information.  Looks like a computer that was turned over voluntarily got broken, and a couple of hours lost in questioning.  Subpoena withdrawn two days after it was issued.

Two bloggers with insider information does not constitute "anyone who criticizes the TSA".
 
2013-02-24 10:16:12 PM

FunkOut: DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.

I read the comments under the article and apparently sometimes musicians who buy their instrument a seat have it bumped into cargo anyway against their will. What an industry, you pay them good money for something and they still do whatever they want.


Also, the musician himself commented and said that in 23 years of checking his cello, it was never damaged, and the two times it had previously been damaged were times he had brought it on board.
  The only thing I would put blame on the musician for here is not having his entire instrument checked out as soon as he got home, especially after he noticed the bow had been broken.   Then the other damage might have been discovered with a bit more time to spare before his next concert.
 
2013-02-24 10:18:31 PM

LesterB: GORDON: You don't have to worry about the TSA if you don't have an orifice or property to be searched.  Having an orifice on your person or you have private property is implicit permission to be searched by the government.

America, love it or leave it.

Obama 2016.

You were doing so well, but then you stumbled on the dismount.

-5 from the Russian judge


Been seeing so much government boot-licking lately from the "freedom loving" left that blaming Obama for a department under his control is just sort of a knee-jerk reaction to these sort of things.

I don't care that Bush signed it into law from a democrat-controlled congress... Obama is in charge NOW, and this shiat is currently his responsibility.
 
2013-02-24 10:19:55 PM

clowncar on fire: fnordfocus: Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling

The two bloggers that revealed TSA protocol and then refused to divulge their source?  Yeah, probably questions needed asking but this was not about criticism so much as revealing insider information.  Looks like a computer that was turned over voluntarily got broken, and a couple of hours lost in questioning.  Subpoena withdrawn two days after it was issued.

Two bloggers with insider information does not constitute "anyone who criticizes the TSA".


that's the beauty of a police state.  There's always a law you can go to prison for.  In this case, the bloggers weren't behind the leak, and the information wasn't sensitive and should have been public anyone, except the TSA claims to be above to FOIA.

and a pilot who do complained that flight crews get felt up while ground fees get a free pass?

Also, an alleged 8000 other raids annually.
 
2013-02-24 10:20:40 PM
Here is what these people need to do. Buy a pelican type case for said fragile instrument and check it.  Problem solved.

I have a $7,000 microscope and I have a quality case for travel.
 
2013-02-24 10:20:45 PM
What had happened? Why did I only realize this two and a half weeks after the incident? And how dare I complain when I took the risk of damaging my cello by checking it with ordinary bags? Some people seem to believe I deserve such an accident.

Nice to see him pre-empting the usual snarky Farker arguments that he should have bought the cello its own seat. You'll also note it was damaged by the TSA, not the baggage handlers. They opened the case to check it, which would have happened regardless of whether he checked it or carried it on. As for not traveling with such an expensive instrument, well, that's how he makes his living, and when people pay to see him play, they pay to see him at his best. Imagine the guys who raced today at Daytona showing up with crappy rental cars saying, "Well, our real race cars are too valuable to risk in a transporter out on the highway with all the accidents and inattentive drivers."

Making excuses for the morons who broke his six-figure instrument, which he uses to make his living, and implying that it's somehow HIS fault? WTF?
 
2013-02-24 10:20:54 PM
+1 subby.
 
2013-02-24 10:22:11 PM

GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.


Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?
 
2013-02-24 10:22:29 PM
Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.
 
2013-02-24 10:23:41 PM

Sgygus: You hire goons ... you have to expect them to behave like goons.


Hired goons?

fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-02-24 10:26:54 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.


not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.
 
2013-02-24 10:30:15 PM

BronyMedic: Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

That sounds more like a fetish, and less like giving them a hard time. >_>


Well, it sounds like SOMEBODY is getting a hard time out of it, anyway.
 
2013-02-24 10:36:29 PM

GORDON: I don't care that Bush signed it into law from a democrat-controlled congress.


The powers in Washington have always wanted a national police force, they were just waiting for the opportunity to start one up without the rest of the country going "wtf?".

/federales, like any third-world banana republic
 
2013-02-24 10:40:03 PM

Sgygus: GORDON: I don't care that Bush signed it into law from a democrat-controlled congress.

The powers in Washington have always wanted a national police force, they were just waiting for the opportunity to start one up without the rest of the country going "wtf?".

/federales, like any third-world banana republic


or you could get a competent force like the RCMP...
 
2013-02-24 10:43:16 PM

fnordfocus: clowncar on fire: fnordfocus: Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling

The two bloggers that revealed TSA protocol and then refused to divulge their source?  Yeah, probably questions needed asking but this was not about criticism so much as revealing insider information.  Looks like a computer that was turned over voluntarily got broken, and a couple of hours lost in questioning.  Subpoena withdrawn two days after it was issued.

Two bloggers with insider information does not constitute "anyone who criticizes the TSA".

that's the beauty of a police state.  There's always a law you can go to prison for.  In this case, the bloggers weren't behind the leak, and the information wasn't sensitive and should have been public anyone, except the TSA claims to be above to FOIA.

and a pilot who do complained that flight crews get felt up while ground fees get a free pass?

Also, an alleged 8000 other raids annually.


Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.  I have even been able to escort my kids to their flight a couple of times (dispite my being non-ticketed) without them batting an eye as I passed through.  I have seen some people biatching about having to either finish or dump their $7 coffees but I thought the agent in place did an excellant job maintaining her bearing while dealing with them.  I did see an argumentative drunk get a little roughed up but he got to walk once he cooled down for a couple minutes.

Sorry you feel the world seems so intrusive.  You can't play nice- this is what happens.  I'm sure the TSA has better things than poking around in people's anii and looking at flourescopic "hotties" all day and would probly prefer doing those things.  Why is it we expect the government to dictate what quantity of junkfood is acceptable but we want them to butt out when it comes to security?
 
2013-02-24 10:48:45 PM
Wow, it's almost like, when you travel with something, there's a chance that it might get damaged!  I seriously wonder what percentage of peoples' things are damaged by airport security vs. the percentage of peoples' things that are damaged by UPS/Fed Ex/etc.  I would imagine it would likely be similar.
 
2013-02-24 10:50:28 PM

DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.


I do underwater photography. Between lenses, camera, housing, lens ports and strobes, I have 15-20k invested. I travel with the bare minimum, and still have been treated like my clear plastic housing is some elaborate explosive. TSA people treated me with hostility when, after ripping all of my stuff apart, I asked to put it back together. And this was carry-on. No freaking way am I trusting my gear to people who can open my luggage, break thing and shove it back in, haphazardly, with that cute "we looked at your stuff" flier they use.

//thinks that the element of "treat others' belongings as you'd want your own treated is lost
///has also been felt up in the interest of national security, because, God knows, my underwire is a secret weapon.
 
2013-02-24 10:54:13 PM

bobug: DemonEater: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

That's the thing - many professional musicians buy a seat for their instrument and carry it on.  The cabin is better for the instrument (better climate control) and you don't entrust a $30,000 instrument to some guy making $10/hr who doesn't give a shiat.

If this guy was still checking his instrument - yeah, in an ideal world, you SHOULD be able to trust the airline, but this isn't an an ideal world - then he wasn't being as safe as he could.

I do underwater photography. Between lenses, camera, housing, lens ports and strobes, I have 15-20k invested. I travel with the bare minimum, and still have been treated like my clear plastic housing is some elaborate explosive. TSA people treated me with hostility when, after ripping all of my stuff apart, I asked to put it back together. And this was carry-on. No freaking way am I trusting my gear to people who can open my luggage, break thing and shove it back in, haphazardly, with that cute "we looked at your stuff" flier they use.

//thinks that the element of "treat others' belongings as you'd want your own treated is lost
///has also been felt up in the interest of national security, because, God knows, my underwire is a secret weapon.


We will need to see pictures of said bra and underside to be sure...
 
2013-02-24 10:55:39 PM
And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0
 
2013-02-24 10:58:04 PM

lolpix: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

Those Bush Democrats were the worst!


Sneaky bastards slipped in the Patriot Act, too.
 
2013-02-24 10:58:35 PM
Representative of the unwashed masses: or you could get a competent force like the RCMP...

look, the TSA creates enough of an inconvenience without adding horses to the mix.
 
2013-02-24 11:01:26 PM

TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0


My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.
 
2013-02-24 11:06:48 PM

clowncar on fire: Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.  I have even been able to escort my kids to their flight a couple of times (dispite my being non-ticketed) without them batting an eye as I passed through.  I have seen some people biatching about having to either finish or dump their $7 coffees but I thought the agent in place did an excellant job maintaining her bearing while dealing with them.  I did see an argumentative drunk get a little roughed up but he got to walk once he cooled down for a couple minutes.


Without carefully counting, I've flown out of the country 5-6 times in that time, and taken another 2-3 domestic round trips annually and I consistently opt out of the backscatter machines.  My experiences with TSOs in person have been neutral to positive.  Nothing's been stolen from my luggage -- I'm actually up a 2 Euro coin that showed up once with an inspection notice.

However, it's clear that the agency protects the minority of agents who use their badge to steal, rape, or smuggle drugs.  It uses its power to punish people who disrespect or criticize them, particularly those who point out they do things that make no damn sense with respect to security.

It's a founding principal of this country, written into the Constitution, that we can criticize our Governmental betters without fear of reprisal, but that's not something the TSA respects.
 
2013-02-24 11:08:23 PM

Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.


Right, that well known Democrat President George W. Bush and his liberal administration.
 
2013-02-24 11:10:05 PM

State_College_Arsonist: At this point, UPS seems a much safer route for almost any sort of cargo.  I don't know who's worse, the mob-affiliated baggage handlers or the TSA.


Farking firing it from a field artillery piece is a safer option.
 
2013-02-24 11:10:27 PM

Vodka Zombie: Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons. It sucks, but considering that the insurance bastards own this country, affecting their bottom line seems to be the only way.


nope
the insurance companies will no longer cover damage during checked baggage ... TADA problem solved

note to humans with expensive things:
1) dont check them
2) buy insanely strong protective cases, with wheels and deal with it
3) insist on a supervisor touching you thing, get them to sign a million dollar waiver first ... HAHAHAHAHA
4) dont fly commercial with a million dollar instrument

/yes, I wish we lived in a different world where the TSA was condemned to the deepest, darkest hell, but alas, we live in this world, where the TSA makes it hell on earth.
 
2013-02-24 11:12:57 PM
Always room for CELLO?!?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-24 11:13:50 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: or you could get a competent force like the RCMP...


That's the problem. The TSA are basically government employed private security guards. They have no law enforcement power other than to hold you at the checkpoint and call for a law enforcement officer to arrest you. They don't even get a fraction of the training a federal police officer would get.
 
2013-02-24 11:14:07 PM
I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.
 
2013-02-24 11:19:12 PM
It's for your own safety, citizen. Now move along.
 
2013-02-24 11:21:44 PM

Mithiwithi: Oak: gweilo8888: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

The TSA was created as part of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act, sponsored by Don Young (Republican) in the United States House of Representatives[2] and Ernest Hollings (Democrat) in the Senate,[3] passed by the 107th U.S. Congress (just barely Democrat-controlled), and signed into law by President George W. Bush (Republican) on November 19, 2001.

But, you know, don't let that get in the way of the hurrs and the durrs.

Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.

It also survived 2003-2006 where the House, Senate, and Presidency were solidly Republican; 2007-2008 (D legislature R prez); 2009-2010 (all D); and 2011-present (D prez and Senate, R House). Any of those Congresses and Presidents could have pushed through repeal or major reform of the TSA; they have not.

Sorry, but this is one of the issues on which both sides are pretty much equally bad.


All snark aside, what's keeping the TSA alive now is twofold. One is, it's become a bureaucracy in and of itself, and, like any bureaucracy, exists on its own inertia. There would have to be an initiative to study the feasibility of eliminating the TSA, an agency to examine the study, a department to evaluate the agency, etc., before the TSA could be totally done away with at this point.

The other problem is that America  is really good at creating bad problems and getting tough on them, but very bad at declaring said problems solved and backing down. We declared a "war on terror" and now we're stuck with it, because anyone who suggests "Let's scale back the TSA" will get slammed by his opponents as being "soft on terrorists"; just like anyone who suggests "Let's dial down the marijuana laws" gets slammed for being "soft on crime", and anyone who wants to reexamine the immigration policies gets derided for wanting to let people just wander into America without any restrictions at all. Then the suggestor has to backpedal and, often has to prove how tough he is by ramping up on whatever it is instead.

Look at how hard a time California has had getting the three-strikes law loosened just a little bit--even though the backlog of court cases and prison overcrowding directly related to three-strikes has led to courts having to shut down civil, family and traffic courts so that courtrooms can be diverted for criminal cases. For the same reason, TSA will never be shut down, because anyone who tries will have to face ZOMFG!!! TERRORISTS!!! from every pants-shiatting freak in the land.
 
2013-02-24 11:25:32 PM

Arctic Phoenix: TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0

My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.


newsgrift.com
 
2013-02-24 11:29:08 PM
FunkOut:
I read the comments under the article and apparently sometimes musicians who buy their instrument a seat have it bumped into cargo anyway against their will.


I would take the next flight, as would pretty much anybody I know.

I had a 7-figure violin loaned to me for a few years, it was a lifestyle change to have it. The insurance on those instruments is 10-20K a year and very specific. A cello traveling in cargo might invalidate the insurance. In the eyes of the insurance co., you're carrying around a Rembrandt painting.

The major league string world can be an enormous racket, quite a few prominent dealers have been thrown in jail in the past 10 years. Appraising an instrument is some strange shiat: only a handful of people can issue "papers" that are universally respected. One can take a violin to one of those people, and they charge 5-10% of the value for papers. Therefore, saying an instrument is a Strad can get one of these guys 100-200 grand in ten minutes so they are going to make the appraisal sky high.  The leading American guy (now deceased) turned dirty at the end of his life so all of his papers are basically worthless, even though someone might have paid 6 figures to get them. The original makers would put a paper sticker inside the instruments, but paper will disintegrate after a few hundred years so none of the paper stickers inside are original, they are all copies. As a result of all that, it's a business that has some major fraud at every level.
 
2013-02-24 11:29:22 PM

clowncar on fire: [www.worldofstock.com image 500x335]

Do they even allow a carry on this large.  Makes one go hmmmmmm....


that would be a bass
 
2013-02-24 11:29:33 PM

HotWingAgenda: GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?


$20k would definitely be on the very high end but not entirely unheard of.  While a beginner could get a bow with synthetic hair and relatively cheap materials for less than $100, most high quality bows range from $800-8000 or more, based on some quick web searches). The cost is based on manufacturer, quality of materials, age and other factors.
 
2013-02-24 11:36:09 PM
Bluto(Poppy Vid)
 
2013-02-24 11:38:31 PM
Could be worse.

mimg.ugo.com

/"We have nothing to declare!"
//"Except a cello... cello cello cello"
 
2013-02-24 11:45:50 PM

clowncar on fire: fnordfocus: clowncar on fire: fnordfocus: Chris Elliot and Steve Frischling

The two bloggers that revealed TSA protocol and then refused to divulge their source?  Yeah, probably questions needed asking but this was not about criticism so much as revealing insider information.  Looks like a computer that was turned over voluntarily got broken, and a couple of hours lost in questioning.  Subpoena withdrawn two days after it was issued.

Two bloggers with insider information does not constitute "anyone who criticizes the TSA".

that's the beauty of a police state.  There's always a law you can go to prison for.  In this case, the bloggers weren't behind the leak, and the information wasn't sensitive and should have been public anyone, except the TSA claims to be above to FOIA.

and a pilot who do complained that flight crews get felt up while ground fees get a free pass?

Also, an alleged 8000 other raids annually.

Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.  I have even been able to escort my kids to their flight a couple of times (dispite my being non-ticketed) without them batting an eye as I passed through.  I have seen some people biatching about having to either finish or dump their $7 coffees but I thought the agent in place did an excellant job maintaining her bearing while dealing with them.  I did see an argumentative drunk get a little roughed up but he got to walk once he cooled down for a couple minutes.

Sorry you feel the world seems so intrusive.  You can't play nice- this is what happens.  I'm sure the TSA has better things than poking around in people's anii and looking at flourescopic "hotties" all day and would probly prefer doing those things.  Why is it we expect the government to dictate what quantity of junkfood is acceptabl ...


Strawman. You're transparent.
 
2013-02-24 11:46:28 PM

HotWingAgenda: GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?


It's actually a stick with horsehair on it, not string. The horses must be virgin, raised by virgins, and stabled exclusively in Virginia. All that virginity costs a fortune.
 
2013-02-24 11:48:44 PM
i.imgur.com
I always thought they'd be more resilient.
 
2013-02-24 11:49:24 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Could be worse.

[mimg.ugo.com image 480x228]

/"We have nothing to declare!"
//"Except a cello... cello cello cello"


DAMN YOU!
 
2013-02-24 11:51:08 PM
Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.

And discussing what these animals did to the wiring on my pre CBS Stratocaster makes me wanna join al queda. They apparently saw a bunch of wires on an x ray and lost their wothless minds.

Last time a promoter asked me to fly for a gig I seriously discussed having them buy me a guitar when I got there....
 
2013-02-24 11:52:53 PM
I wanted to feel bad for the guy, but the deeper I got into it I couldn't help thinking "I'm glad they broke your farking cello, poindexter"
 
2013-02-24 11:54:06 PM

part of the problem: Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.

And discussing what these animals did to the wiring on my pre CBS Stratocaster makes me wanna join al queda. They apparently saw a bunch of wires on an x ray and lost their wothless minds.

Last time a promoter asked me to fly for a gig I seriously discussed having them buy me a guitar when I got there....


you certainly sound like a reasonable person who would never commit terrorism. Despite saying you want to join a terrorist organization. This is how silly you sound.
 
2013-02-25 12:08:38 AM

ultraholland: Representative of the unwashed masses: or you could get a competent force like the RCMP...

look, the TSA creates enough of an inconvenience without adding horses to the mix.


But think of the spiffy uniforms!
 
2013-02-25 12:08:56 AM

Jaws_Victim: part of the problem: Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.

And discussing what these animals did to the wiring on my pre CBS Stratocaster makes me wanna join al queda. They apparently saw a bunch of wires on an x ray and lost their wothless minds.

Last time a promoter asked me to fly for a gig I seriously discussed having them buy me a guitar when I got there....

you certainly sound like a reasonable person who would never commit terrorism. Despite saying you want to join a terrorist organization. This is how silly you sound.


Youre new here...aintcha?
It's called sarcasm........
 
2013-02-25 12:09:13 AM

part of the problem: The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb.


That thing they sell on TV to chop onions?
 
2013-02-25 12:13:55 AM

Sgygus: You hire goons ... you have to expect them to behave like goons.


and we're done here.
 
HBK
2013-02-25 12:20:55 AM

clowncar on fire: Sorry you feel the world seems so intrusive. You can't play nice- this is what happens. I'm sure the TSA has better things than poking around in people's anii and looking at flourescopic "hotties" all day and would probly prefer doing those things. Why is it we expect the government to dictate what quantity of junkfood is acceptable but we want them to butt out when it comes to security?


As far as the TSA having better things to do than invade the privacy of millions of travelers- they don't. Were there no TSA, most of the folks working there would be janitors or fry cooks. To work for the TSA you need either a G.E.D. OR a few years working security elsewhere. You don't even need to be high school educated. Yet we allow these people to operate highly complex machinery that has not been tested for negative health effects.

Jaws_Victim: not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


So, you report your counterparts who are not honest, who break laws, and who are discourteous? If not, you're just as bad as them. I was mostly fine with the TSA before the backscatter machines- when it was just metal detectors and bombsniffers. I've opted out all but twice since they were put in (flew 30+ times per year from 2006-11). Almost every time I opt out, I get nothing but intentional delay (I can see seven of your employees sitting on their asses doing absolutely nothing in lanes that aren't even open for screening) and attitude from the TSA reps. On top of that, when they pull me out of line, they scan my stuff and don't let me collect them or even set them aside so other travelers don't grab my wallet.

Other than that, congrats on working for a shiatty organization with the same education requirements as the jizz mopper at the local porn theater. I'm sure you enjoy touching children and old people, for freedom or whatever. The fact that we do this to ourselves is proof that the terrorists won.
 
2013-02-25 12:20:57 AM

part of the problem: Jaws_Victim: part of the problem: Got pulled into the "we have a problem" area by tsa due to a "suspicious package". The human debris tsa agent had never seen a mandolin before and got all jumpy. I literally had to play losing my religion to show it was not a bomb. commit terrorism. Despite. saying you want to join a terrorist organization. This is how silly you sound.

Youre new here...aintcha?
It's called sarcasm........


Not everyone can detect sarcasm. I can, but it undercuts your message and makes it look like you might willfully antagonize screeners and make your experience the bad one you want to complain about. If you are determined to have a terrible time you absolutely can.
 
2013-02-25 12:23:03 AM
I'm surprised that his insurance company doesn't require him to buy a plane ticket for the cello so he can bring it on board with him.
 
2013-02-25 12:31:34 AM
Q:  What's the difference between a cello player & a large pizza?
A:  A large pizza can feed a family of four.
 
2013-02-25 12:35:19 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com

The TSA broke my Wookie!!!
 
2013-02-25 12:39:41 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Too bad derpers can't stop long enough to realize that on this issue there is a large contingent of natural allies on the other side of the metaphorical aisle. God forbid anything be done about the obscene clusterfark of the TSA other than arguing about whose fault it is.
[royalboiler.files.wordpress.com image 640x381]


Not the problem.  The problem is a lot of people (mostly Republicans, but some democrats) still like the TSA.  They don't like when it gets in their face, they don't like the one time every 3 years they have to deal with it, but when anyone tries to start something,k raise issue, or pick a fight all it takes is one TSA spokesman/politico to say, "BOO!  Terrorists gunna git ya!" and the measure fails.

Add in that the "freedom freedom freedumb" crowd will still prioritize tax cuts (and corporate welfare, like the TSA) over stopping this shiat and a majority of the country CHOOSES this.
 
2013-02-25 12:45:25 AM
People not happy with TSA
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-25 12:50:11 AM
If I had a nickle for every time some overzealous TSA agent broke my G-string ...
 
2013-02-25 01:03:11 AM

HotWingAgenda: GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?


Good instruments cost money (especially the string ones, since the gold standard instruments are about 400 years old, and there's like 12 of them left.  It's exactly like buying and carrying around a Rembrandt).

And there is a huge difference between your run of the mill instrument and the masterworks.  There's a reason they command huge prices.  A good musician can make the really good instruments sound really, really good.  Think of it like Tiger Wood's golf clubs.  Yeah, he could take any old club out and do pretty well (ie: better than 99.9% of America), but give him the right clubs, and he's a master.

There's a reason why a lot of high school kids use $3000 clarinets, or $2000 trumpets (or $10K tubas provided by the school. In general, low bass or low strings are school-provided).  They just sound better, and they're honestly easier to play well if you have good habits.    (aka there's a reason why the $120 Ebay trumpet was relegated to marching band, and the $1500 trumpet with the $100 mouthpiece was the performance instrument).
 
2013-02-25 01:11:02 AM

Arctic Phoenix: TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0

My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.


Does it demand ID & frisk every person who enter your aunt's house? Unless it does, it's not a valid comparison.
 
2013-02-25 01:12:32 AM
Just came in to say +1 Subby.  I lol'd
 
2013-02-25 01:12:59 AM

eggrolls: Arctic Phoenix: TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0

My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.

Does it demand ID & frisk every person who enter your aunt's house? Unless it does, it's not a valid comparison.


The TSA doesn't either. Your analogy is invalid too.

Of course, so is Nic Cage's hair.
 
2013-02-25 01:13:37 AM

leohat: I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.


That sounds like a serious pain in the ass for every trip, but I can imagine that at some value, an hour of pain in the ass while your stuff is checked is worth the $10k insurance.
 
2013-02-25 01:21:05 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: It's amazing how rare a decent human being is these days. Certainly the TSA cannot find one.


What decent person would spend any time at all working for the TSA?

wademh: If I had a nickle for every time some overzealous TSA agent broke my G-string ...


If one of those fat sweaty guys tries on my panties, I hope they keep them.
 
2013-02-25 01:29:33 AM

BronyMedic: Ah, the TSA. The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot when the Department of Homeland Security has it's family reunions.


The retarded, crippled kid in the wheelchair that has to wear the helmet to protect his soft spot at the family reunion takes great offense that you'd ever compare his kind to something as impaired as the TSA.

/my ancestors were retards
//proud retards
 
2013-02-25 01:30:18 AM

leohat: I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.


this works, really????
I assume that the case is checked and not carry on ...

what happens when he travels to a city where he cant carry a gun? I guess that he can just keep it in locked case while in the city/state. It is legal to transport a weapon through a farked up state ......
 
2013-02-25 01:31:48 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: Could be worse.

[mimg.ugo.com image 480x228]

/"We have nothing to declare!"
//"Except a cello... cello cello cello"


god I just rewatched that ... it was terrible
 
2013-02-25 01:34:39 AM

Gyrfalcon: All snark aside, what's keeping the TSA alive now is twofold. One is, it's become a bureaucracy in and of itself, and, like any bureaucracy, exists on its own inertia. There would have to be an initiative to study the feasibility of eliminating the TSA, an agency to examine the study, a department to evaluate the agency, etc., before the TSA could be totally done away with at this point.

The other problem is that America  is really good at creating bad problems and getting tough on them, but very bad at declaring said problems solved and backing down. We declared a "war on terror" and now we're stuck with it, because anyone who suggests "Let's scale back the TSA" will get slammed by his opponents as being "soft on terrorists"; just like anyone who suggests "Let's dial down the marijuana laws" gets slammed for being "soft on crime", and anyone who wants to reexamine the immigration policies gets derided for wanting to let people just wander into America without any restrictions at all. Then the suggestor has to backpedal and, often has to prove how tough he is by ramping up on whatever it is instead.

Look at how hard a time California has had getting the three-strikes law loosened just a little bit--even though the backlog of court cases and prison overcrowding directly related to three-strikes has led to courts having to shut down civil, family and traffic courts so that courtrooms can be diverted for criminal cases. For the same reason, TSA will never be shut down, because anyone who tries will have to face ZOMFG!!! TERRORISTS!!! from every pants-shiatting freak in the land.


we do need to learn to put sunset clauses on things like this
10 years and then they need to completely justify their budget or it gets cut to 10% for 1 year, just to shut everything down.

of course, we would need an agency to evaluate the justifications ....
sigh
 
2013-02-25 02:29:18 AM

bunner: ultraholland: Thanks, Obama.

- 284658726189358917329572945768264856286457862874  Seriously.  Clapped out beyond belief.


God, be efficient.  2.846E47
 
2013-02-25 02:36:54 AM

fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]


"An elevator ate it!"
 
2013-02-25 02:39:48 AM

497.5 Feet of Rope: fusillade762: [content8.flixster.com image 360x270]

"An elevator ate it!"


Glad to see someone got that reference.
 
2013-02-25 02:48:25 AM
img685.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-25 03:15:49 AM

Oak: Oh, the law was passed by the Democrat-controlled Congress, but because it was  barely Democrat-controlled, they don't have to own their mistake.  I get it.

Dimwit.


Oh, the law was signed by a Republican President and sponsored by a Republican congressman, passed with zero objections in the senate, and passed 410 to 9 in the house, but because herpy derpy hurr durr, it's all those goldurned libruls that took arr jorbs libburties!!!!

You, sir, are a farking retard.
 
2013-02-25 03:39:39 AM

namatad: DarkSoulNoHope: Could be worse.

[mimg.ugo.com image 480x228]

/"We have nothing to declare!"
//"Except a cello... cello cello cello"

god I just rewatched that ... it was terrible


It was stupid but I still liked it. Timothy Dalton has always been my favorite Bond.
 
2013-02-25 03:49:56 AM
STFU and feel safe, citizen.
 
2013-02-25 04:18:15 AM

Oznog: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 256x192]

The TSA broke my Wookie!!!


NOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2013-02-25 05:00:17 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Jaws_Victim: To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...

It's a start.


May you starve.
 
2013-02-25 05:14:18 AM

red5ish: It's a sickening story, and becoming more common every day. There should be some category of luggage check-in that would accommodate musical instruments so they aren't destroyed. Buying a ticket for your instrument just to ensure that isn't thrown, bounced, kicked, crushed, opened, snapped, twisted and ruined is the only way right now, and that's unacceptable.


There's already a special category for valuable instruments.  It's called the "buy a seat" program.  You buy a ticket for your instrument and put it on the seat next to you.  If you can't afford that, you can't afford to own a $$$$$$$ instrument.  Owning, using, maintaining, and protecting expensive things is expensive.
 
2013-02-25 06:17:32 AM
She taught me to love cellists:

i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-02-25 06:19:44 AM

Jaws_Victim: I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Well, don't look back when you leave at the end of your shift or you might turn into a pillar of salt.
 
2013-02-25 06:34:25 AM

HotWingAgenda: GizmoToy: What kind of dildo doesn't have a backup bow?

Well, when they're $20k each, you probably don't have a horde of them laying around.

Was that k thrown in there by accident, or do those things really cost more than twenty dollars?  It's a stick with strings on it.  Or do they take a year to put together, and each one must be made from a tree grown especially for the purpose and blessed by virgins?


A good pernambuco wood stick can easily get as high as 20000. The wood is very hard to get now and HAS to be pernambuco at the high end due to its resonant qualities. It also takes over a week just to make one assuming the batch of wood is even suitable for a bow rather than a bad batch. Also that is horse hair that has to be replaced 2-4 times a year, not "strings" as you put it.
 
2013-02-25 06:58:24 AM
Obama should put the name of every TSA employee on the "kill on sight" list and send the drones after them. Every single one of them.
 
2013-02-25 07:09:43 AM

kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.


THIS. Anybody who consents to be searched by the TSA deserves to be ass-banged by them in the back room. The TSA would be dismantled tomorrow if everybody refused.
 
2013-02-25 07:58:05 AM

Gyrfalcon: eggrolls: Arctic Phoenix: TV's Vinnie: And twelve years on since it's creation, the number of terrorists caught by the TSA remains at: 0

My aunt has a security system installed in her house.  It's caught 0 burglars.  That doesn't necessarily indicate whether or not it's been a good investment.

Does it demand ID & frisk every person who enter your aunt's house? Unless it does, it's not a valid comparison.

The TSA doesn't either. Your analogy is invalid too.

Of course, so is Nic Cage's hair.


Really? Try getting on a plane with a TSA mandated pat down, wanding or rapescan. Any other place in the free world where you are subject to criminal search without being accused of a crime first? 

Nic's hair is an awesome bird. And damn you for making me say that.
 
2013-02-25 08:03:46 AM

DrPainMD: kab: The only story that surprises me about the TSA is that we, as a nation, consider them acceptable.

THIS. Anybody who consents to be searched by the TSA deserves to be ass-banged by them in the back room. The TSA would be dismantled tomorrow if everybody refused.


it's kind of the opposite.  if you refuse, you'll be raped.  if you consent, they will dismantle it.
 
2013-02-25 08:32:29 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: It's amazing how rare a decent human being is these days. Certainly the TSA cannot find one.


I concur and agree.  Just farking buckets of shiat on legs out there.  I don't really know where to move to get away from all of the assholes, because everytime I think I have a little square to myself, some asshole has to come in blasting music with 4 illegitimate children and shoves me and asks what the fark my problem is.  All I can muster is "trying to get away from you."  The worst part is there is no accountability.
 
2013-02-25 08:44:23 AM
Try not moving next to airport screening stations. They frown on double wides and leaving cars rusting out front at the airport.
 
2013-02-25 09:03:36 AM

lolpix: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

Those Bush Democrats were the worst!


Bush has been out of office 4 years now and there are more than a few Republicans that hate the TSA.  If Obama cared to change/abolish it, he could have done so with ease.

Both parties have equal ownership of this one.
 
2013-02-25 09:10:42 AM

Hawnkee: She taught me to love cellists:

[i2.ytimg.com image 320x180]


She taught me to love cellists:

leviatan-magazine.com

And so did she:

www.redefinemag.com
 
2013-02-25 09:18:49 AM

leohat: I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.


You don't even need a .22. Just a starter pistol works.
 
2013-02-25 09:23:04 AM

Jaws_Victim: I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Yet you're all unnecessarily using tax payer money to make the life of most americans miserable.. intentionally or not.  For a majority of you, I would say intentionally.
 
2013-02-25 09:49:00 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: It's amazing how rare a decent human being is these days. Certainly the TSA cannot find one.


You presume they're actually looking for them. Evidence suggests that actual decency is an automatic downcheck in the TSA hiring process.
 
2013-02-25 09:56:45 AM
Wonder if they were also flying United?

http://youtu.be/5YGc4zOqozo
 
2013-02-25 10:22:10 AM

Jaws_Victim: To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...


Good.  Here's to hoping the TSA gets 5 to 10 years off.
 
2013-02-25 11:01:58 AM

leohat: I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.


That's a very interesting approach.
 
2013-02-25 11:08:50 AM
Maybe some of the problem is $300,000 cellos EXIST!

Can't an electric version be manufactured for a few thousand?

Make it out of steel and teflon.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:49 AM
"Always room for cello .."

golf clap, subby
 
2013-02-25 12:56:05 PM

JustGetItRight: lolpix: Oak: ajgeek: Ban the TSA. There's no reason for them and there never was.

There's a reason for them: Democrats.

Those Bush Democrats were the worst!

Bush has been out of office 4 years now and there are more than a few Republicans that hate the TSA.  If Obama cared to change/abolish it, he could have done so with ease.

Both parties have equal ownership of this one.


I agree, but if Obama announced he intends to end the TSA, somehow I can't picture Limbaugh and FOX and Friends saying, "Good decision, it's about time."
 
2013-02-25 01:00:49 PM
clowncar on fire:
Have you ever actually dealt with the TSA personally or just live vicariously through the tales of critics.  I've done quite a bit of traveling (two trips over seas, five service schools) since the inception of the TSA and have yet be "harassed", poked, or whatever.

You sound white.
 
2013-02-25 01:06:15 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Here is what these people need to do. Buy a pelican type case for said fragile instrument and check it.  Problem solved.

I have a $7,000 microscope and I have a quality case for travel.


He did have a flight case. The damage was caused by the bonehead who opened it to search it, then put it back in the case incorrectly, then kept slamming the lid shut until it closed.
Whenever I flew with my upright, I always bought a half price ticket for it and placed it in the seat next to me.
 
2013-02-25 01:20:41 PM

Babwa Wawa: leohat: I have a professional photographer friend that has to travel with expensive camera equipment. He has a metal shell case with foam inserts for the camera stuff. The secret is that he packs a .22 caliber gun along with the equipment. He then declares that he has a gun to the ticket counter agent, who then sends him aside where they hand search the case, he then locks the case with a heavy duty lock (not one of those little TSA locks but a heavy duty shim resistant combination lock), they put a sticker on the case and off it goes. Because it has been pre-checked by security the TSA is not allowed to open it and they have to document it so it harder for them to 'lose' it. He travels tens of thousands of air miles every year and has never had anything lost, stolen or broken.

That's a very interesting approach.


I've read about this on Fark many times before. I've always wondered though, what if you are going to a jurisdiction where you would not be legally allowed to carry the gun. In this example, your professional photog friends is likely travelling abroad. What then?
 
2013-02-25 01:29:49 PM

Vodka Zombie: Eventually, insurance companies are going to get tired of covering the TSA's expensive fark ups, and maybe we will see some change with these morons. It sucks, but considering that the insurance bastards own this country, affecting their bottom line seems to be the only way.


I'd put money on a buyer-beware policy, similar to a laundromat's; they will not be responsible for damages to you shiat.  Cavity searches for everyone.
 
2013-02-25 02:01:41 PM

MegaUngawa: Representative of the unwashed masses: Here is what these people need to do. Buy a pelican type case for said fragile instrument and check it.  Problem solved.

I have a $7,000 microscope and I have a quality case for travel.

He did have a flight case. The damage was caused by the bonehead who opened it to search it, then put it back in the case incorrectly, then kept slamming the lid shut until it closed.
Whenever I flew with my upright, I always bought a half price ticket for it and placed it in the seat next to me.


I guess I should just read the articles then...  yeah right I know that's not going to happen!
 
2013-02-25 02:40:20 PM

browntimmy: I agree, but if Obama announced he intends to end the TSA, somehow I can't picture Limbaugh and FOX and Friends saying, "Good decision, it's about time."


Limbaugh won't, he's just a paid hack/entertainer.  As far as Fox goes, I don't know.

I do know that the rank and file conservative (one of which I consider myself to be) will say good decision, it is about time.
 
2013-02-25 02:44:48 PM

Jaws_Victim: Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.

not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Regardless of your ethics, you're part of the problem.  The agency you work for is institutionally corrupt, and you're in an achingly sad minority as a moral employee.  Your piety doesn't make the agency any less reprehensible.
 
2013-02-25 03:01:21 PM

Jaws_Victim: To all the tsa haters, at least you can enjoy the schadenfreude of the furlough. I will at least be losing one day of work, possibly more...


Cry me a farking river.

/NYS employee
//already had 11 furlough days
 
2013-02-25 03:13:59 PM

browntimmy: I agree, but if Obama announced he intends to end the TSA, somehow I can't picture Limbaugh and FOX and Friends saying, "Good decision, it's about time."


Well in that case he should probably just leave the TSA alone. We wouldn't want him to have to put up with people in the other party calling him mean names. It isn't like it is his job to fix the government or anything.

/you guys are pathetic
//Maybe shiat would actually get done if you would start holding them accountable instead of making excuses for them.
 
2013-02-25 03:18:44 PM

FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.


I'd be more terrified of leaving it in cargo.

I know a few musicians and when they fly, they buy an extra seet just for their instrument.
 
2013-02-25 03:44:54 PM

aesirx: FunkOut: If I was a musician, I'd be terrified to take an expensive instrument on a plane.

I'd be more terrified of leaving it in cargo.

I know a few musicians and when they fly, they buy an extra seet just for their instrument.


Which is a fine idea, until the dickhead airline (redundant, I know) takes your money, and makes you check the instrument anyway:

http://cellobello.com/blog/index.php/travails-of-travel-with-a-cello /
 
2013-02-25 03:53:13 PM

Jaws_Victim: Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.

not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Well, if you go to work and run into your fellow agent who ripped my buddy off to the tune of $750 bucks when he was flying back from a trade show...give him a cockpunch for me, please.

Bonus points:  my buddy goes to work the next day, expecting to be fired, and his boss tells him it's not the first time it's happened...
 
2013-02-25 04:14:28 PM

Jaws_Victim: Smeggy Smurf: Hang the TSA agent, his boss and every other employee of the TSA right down to the janitors.  It's like nuking the site from orbit.  You have to make sure.

not going to happen. I would like to remind you some tsa people, like myself, are honest hard working people who go to work, dont break laws, and try to show courtesy and respect to every person I come in contact with.


Indeed.  According to my Grandfather, so were the majority of the guards at the POW camp he spent 2 1/2 years in.  Right up until the SS came in and told them to not be nice anymore.

/Stalag 7A - Moosburg
//A nice puppet is still a puppet
 
2013-02-25 07:44:06 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: I try to make a point of giving the TSA as hard a time as possible, i always opt out and make them pat me down

//on the fat side of heavy
//always eat beans before air travel
//make slightly sugestive comments as i get patted down.

I once saw a man do the same but he was wearing a kilt at JWA i wish i had come up with that.


So you're an asshole.

/don't work for tsa
//just hate assholes.
 
2013-02-26 10:09:45 PM

jayessell: Maybe some of the problem is $300,000 cellos EXIST!

Can't an electric version be manufactured for a few thousand?

Make it out of steel and teflon.


The vintage instruments command obscene prices as much because of hype and bullshiat as anything else. A modern violin maker can produce something every bit as good as most Strads or Guarnieris, and do it more consistently. We know a good bit more about materials science, engineering, and acoustics, and we have better tools and adhesives than they had. The only limiting factor is that some of the woods are getting hard to come by. You aren't going to do it with an electric instrument made from synthetics, though, any more than you'll duplicate the sound of a Martin dreadnought with a Lucite Dan Armstrong Ampeg.
 
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