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2013-02-24 05:23:04 PM

saintstryfe: /tell me if I'm out of date on any of my info.


Um, actually no that's a pretty good sum up.

Is weird.

I like to tell the old joke that the Canada/US border is really a 3,000 mile long one way mirror where we can see in but the US can't look back through but apparently times have changed.

C'est bon!
 
2013-02-24 05:23:09 PM
Yet despite this stupidity I am still happy to live in a province where, at a minimum, we conduct our absurdities in a civil manner*. The '96 referendum came so close (approx 1%) to tearing Canada apart and yet the next day the results were accepted without violence or social unrest. Many places, in the 1st world even, wouldn't be able to claim the same.

As a local I feel this is more of a case of an overzealous staffer than anything else. Everyone now has to make the same tired old statements, press releases, face saving, and rhetoric that they do every time. It's an empty ritual and most people I know just hope they can do it as quickly as possible so that sleeping dogs lie.

*Not counting the FLQ; Maybe too many people remember how that went?
 
2013-02-24 05:24:56 PM
I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.
 
2013-02-24 05:27:02 PM
..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything
 
2013-02-24 05:27:51 PM

quatchi: saintstryfe: /tell me if I'm out of date on any of my info.

Um, actually no that's a pretty good sum up.

Is weird.

I like to tell the old joke that the Canada/US border is really a 3,000 mile long one way mirror where we can see in but the US can't look back through but apparently times have changed.

C'est bon!


It actually was pretty good. Though he could have added the separate Provincial tax system as compared to the Federal forms taking care of that part for all other Territories and Provinces. Though that doesn't have much to do with language laws.
 
2013-02-24 05:31:38 PM
Meanwhile, the Académie Française has just appointed its first English académician - proof, if it were needed, that even Brits speak better French than the Quebecois.
 
2013-02-24 05:31:57 PM
What do you expect when you try and knock together England Lite and fill it with Frawnch people.
 
2013-02-24 05:32:51 PM

JasonOfOrillia: So if we expand that out it's Nordstan Fried Chicken Fried Chicken?


To be sure, mon amour! (i never said, sense it maid)

Type random string here: more creative


dude... "lick-a-chick" is so wrong that even here in uberlibertatian swedistan, you'd get slung in jail for a pun like that. (Maybe even one without cable tv!)
 
2013-02-24 05:33:57 PM

Magic_Button: ..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything


I our defense they have to use offices and committees to waste money rather than having every politician add their own spending bump to every bill that crosses the floor.

In the absence of a big corrupt American system we try our best to waste money like any good government does.
 
2013-02-24 05:49:04 PM

mikefinch: Magic_Button: ..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything

I our defense they have to use offices and committees to waste money rather than having every politician add their own spending bump to every bill that crosses the floor.

In the absence of a big corrupt American system we try our best to waste money like any good government does.


We have the Department of Indian Affairs that wastes more money than anything else.
 
2013-02-24 05:49:26 PM
When I was in Vancouver doing some work in the early 90s, a woman was telling me that her dad was a pilot for Air Canada. They were required to keep somebody on board to speak French to controllers when the flights were into Quebec. What was outrageous was that EVEN FRANCE talks to pilots in English. The only place in the world where airliners flew (at least in terms of international airports, and the places her dad flew into Quebec qualified as "international") that had this special requirement was Quebec.

Most Canadians west of Ontario seem to absolutely hate Quebec with a passion, and mostly over this sort of stupidity.

I knew a salesman who had an interesting story about getting lost in Quebec; they asked some local for directions, and the local Quebecois played stupid, "no parlez vous Englais" - but when he lamented he was willing to pay for directions, the guy immediately spit out the directions, in perfect English. He tore off without paying the guy, because, as he said to the guy as he was leaving, "I said I was willing to pay for the information, until I found out you were playing games with me"

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2013-02-24 05:50:14 PM

quatchi: Paris1127: As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"

I've always liked that one.

Being Canadian is rather odd as our version of English has both American and English spellings.


I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?" I was later told this might be because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American. This was especially odd as Aussies really seem to love Americans and see many more of us than Canadians...
 
2013-02-24 05:51:34 PM

ZAZ: What is the Québécois word for pasta?


I don't know, I didn't go to Burger King.
 
2013-02-24 05:52:38 PM
Sacre Bleu!
 
2013-02-24 05:53:21 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


A ministry? You mean the Quebek Büro der französischen Sprache, the propaganda tool of the Quebek Reichprotectorat?
 
2013-02-24 05:55:34 PM
Paris1127: ...because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American.

CSB!

I'm never offended when that happens. But then I'm largely unflappable unless I'm actively leaking blood in copious amounts or being shot at.

My favorite part of travelling is the fact that when I go to other English speaking parts of the world I suddenly have an accent whereas when I'm back at home I sound just like everyone else.

Accents are cool.
 
2013-02-24 05:58:57 PM
I think in many ways living in Quebec would farking suck.
 
2013-02-24 06:01:07 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


Actually, about that...
 
2013-02-24 06:01:15 PM
fubegra.net

Français, 'stie, parlez-vous?
 
2013-02-24 06:03:41 PM

quatchi: Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.

Agreed. The Kentuckian People's Front is where it's at!


We're taking over reality television as you speak.

As for the menu dust-up, in addition to having seen 'Mambo Italiano', one of my buddy's lives on Rue Clark. As an outsider, I find it a bit odd that some Italians are so insistent about speaking English to the French.
 
2013-02-24 06:04:31 PM
Ostie de tabarnak de calisse!
 
2013-02-24 06:04:58 PM

Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"


I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too
 
2013-02-24 06:08:16 PM
There's a Krunchy Fried Chicken on the corner of Wood St.  KFC in huge letters, too.
 
2013-02-24 06:10:40 PM

Robo Beat: It's less insecurity than it is a siege mentality. Here in France, the red octagonal street signs say "STOP." In Québec, they say "ARRÊT." The difference is that while there are many other countries in Europe around France, they speak many different languages (including Belgian and Swiss French), and French is the #2 language in Europe by number of native speakers. In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.


Even funnier, "stop" is a perfectly cromulent French word, and even the French-language directions in a Mille Bornes deck use "Stop" for the Stop card (never mind that the game originated in France to begin with).

I've always been amused at the French obsession with linguistic purity, especially when the Académie Française rejects a word as too English-sounding even though it began life as a French word.
 
2013-02-24 06:15:52 PM

Mister Peejay: Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"

I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too


A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian
 
2013-02-24 06:19:57 PM

satanorsanta: A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian


For the 5,372,862nd time no one in Canada says "aboot" except for old Scots who say it that way no matter where they live.

It's an urban myth.

I'm 50 and have been to every province and one territory and I have never heard a Canadian who wasn't of Scottish descent say that.
 
2013-02-24 06:21:26 PM

Wolf892: Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.

And yet the people who keep making them continue to get voted in...so someone must be loving this shiat...


They don't "continue to be voted in". They were recently elected after almost a decade of a Liberal government that people wanted to turf out because of massive corruption scandals and completely incompetent handling of student protests. The PQ's election had little to do with language and less with sovereignty, which only about a quarter of the population supports. It won't stop them from some idiocy around language, but don't mistake the situation for public support.
 
2013-02-24 06:23:15 PM

satanorsanta: Mister Peejay: Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"

I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too

A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian


haven't heard "aboot", but "aboat" is something most of my canadian friends say.
 
2013-02-24 06:26:17 PM
What kind of assholes don't live in France but look at the French and say "Mon dieu, I want to be just like zem!"?
 
2013-02-24 06:26:52 PM

quatchi: You cannot mandate a culture.

It either exists on it's own steam or it dies.

The French language police are the most petty, unneeded Wastes of Bandwidth EVAR.

Here's an example that drives me nuts.

Kentucky Fried Chicken is now know as KFC around the world.

Except in Quebec where it is PFK

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So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.

Insecure much?


well considering before it was branded with letters only, it was known as Poulet Fried Kentucky.  would seem rather silly to change it to KFC instead of PFK since people familiar with the brand might not know where the letters came from

i think the french are a bit overprotective, but seeing what is happening with Japanese, I can understand.  its the whole frog in a pot of boiling water.  Seems like every new word in Japanese is in katakana.   They import words for which there already is a japanese word (unless im missing some subtlety, which i admit, is likely)
 
2013-02-24 06:30:23 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: "One must not judge the OQLF based on only one incident."
fine... I'll judge you on the fact that you only exist because certain assholes in your population are being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

I've never met a Quebecois who didn't understand written and spoken English.


I've met a bunch of them who were functionally either monolingual in French or bilingual in French and a non-Engish language.
 
2013-02-24 06:31:53 PM
Just as an FYI, if you're ever in Montreal, check that restaurant out.  Went there for New Years a couple years a go, and holy shiat, that might have been the greatest concentration of beautiful people that I have ever seen.  Everyone was a 10.  Our waitress looked like Britney Spears back when that meant something.   I recall the food being pretty decent as well.
 
2013-02-24 06:31:56 PM

saintstryfe: But the Language Police are still there. They still measure signs to make sure the French is X amount bigger then the English, and such. It's really their last desperate grasp, especially after the last national where the Bloc were decimated.


Thanks for the info.  To me this all sounds rather hilarious (and pathetically insecure).
 
2013-02-24 06:32:28 PM

quatchi: karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.


Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.
 
2013-02-24 06:32:48 PM

Paris1127: quatchi: Paris1127: As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"

I've always liked that one.

Being Canadian is rather odd as our version of English has both American and English spellings.

I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?" I was later told this might be because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American. This was especially odd as Aussies really seem to love Americans and see many more of us than Canadians...


I disagree. There is a fark load of Canadians in Australia and a shiat load of them here, probably because we have similar work visa programs and we both actively promote tourism in each others countries. Seriously go to Banff and try to go a day without meeting an Aussie working and vice versa for Australia.
 
2013-02-24 06:35:41 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


Where did you hear that? France does have a ministry of culture that regulates the language. They're nororiously dickish about it.

Link
 
2013-02-24 06:36:27 PM

Bob_Sled: We have the Department of Indian Affairs that wastes more money than anything else.


To be fair, though, a lot of programming and support jobs have been outsourced to Delhi.
 
2013-02-24 06:36:52 PM

Robo Beat: So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.

Insecure much?

It's less insecurity than it is a siege mentality.  Here in France, the red octagonal street signs say "STOP."  In Québec, they say "ARRÊT."  The difference is that while there are many other countries in Europe around France, they speak many different languages (including Belgian and Swiss French), and French is the #2 language in Europe by number of native speakers.  In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.


In Puerto Rico, those red octagonal signs say "PARE."
 
2013-02-24 06:38:21 PM
I believe that 'douche' is French as well. Along with its derivative 'douchey'.
 
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2013-02-24 06:39:05 PM
Wow, that's a nice bit of discrimination they have going there.
 
2013-02-24 06:41:03 PM
What do Pastafarians think about this?
 
2013-02-24 06:42:54 PM
      liberals are not real big on free speech
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2013-02-24 06:43:23 PM

angrycrank: They don't "continue to be voted in". They were recently elected after almost a decade of a Liberal government that people wanted to turf out because of massive corruption scandals and completely incompetent handling of student protests. The PQ's election had little to do with language and less with sovereignty, which only about a quarter of the population supports. It won't stop them from some idiocy around language, but don't mistake the situation for public support.


Much as the SNP took power in Scotland although only 30% of Scots at best want independence. Protest vote against the almost wholly corrupt Labour Party.
 
2013-02-24 06:44:47 PM

yeegrek: Just as an FYI, if you're ever in Montreal, check that restaurant out.  Went there for New Years a couple years a go, and holy shiat, that might have been the greatest concentration of beautiful people that I have ever seen.  Everyone was a 10.  Our waitress looked like Britney Spears back when that meant something.   I recall the food being pretty decent as well.




Do they serve anything other than fried chicken? I don't even eat at the KFC's. in the US.
 
2013-02-24 06:44:56 PM

DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.


[englishmotherfarker]
 
2013-02-24 06:46:20 PM

thisiszombocom: well considering before it was branded with letters only, it was known as Poulet Fried Kentucky.  would seem rather silly to change it to KFC instead of PFK since people familiar with the brand might not know where the letters came from


Well that's certainly *an* argument.

I sticking with "being the only people on the planet insecure enough to do this is waaaaay sillier".
 
2013-02-24 06:48:17 PM

clane: liberals are not real big on free speech


What does that even mean in this context?

Reflexive knee jerk partisanship is reflexive and foolish.
 
2013-02-24 07:07:32 PM
I remember that, a while back, I got a job supporting a software product by phone, doing support for the US and Canada.  We did not have French-language support, so if anyone called in from Quebec, pardon-moi, but we just had to try to get through it in English.

Most of the time, the callers were cool with this, and we got through it.  (I could at least send them documentation in French if all else failed.)  But I dealt with some total couillonswho were outraged that we weren't offering support in French, and started biatching at me about it.

The worst part was that, for some reason, I found the fact that they were going off on me in very heavily accented English hilarious, so I was trying not to openly laugh at them.

/Histoire fraîche Bro
 
2013-02-24 07:11:24 PM
sacred cownoun an individual, , institution, etc., considered to be exempt from criticism or questioning.
Well, the US has its football,  Canada needs something, too.
 
2013-02-24 07:16:17 PM

quatchi: DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.

[englishmotherfarker]


Uh, ya gotta little poutine gravy on your shirt there buddy
 
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