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2013-02-24 04:06:12 PM
You cannot mandate a culture.

It either exists on it's own steam or it dies.

The French language police are the most petty, unneeded Wastes of Bandwidth EVAR.

Here's an example that drives me nuts.

Kentucky Fried Chicken is now know as KFC around the world.

Except in Quebec where it is PFK

farm6.staticflickr.com

So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.

Insecure much?
 
2013-02-24 04:13:13 PM
Annex Quebec to the Confederacy and let the multicultural derp implode itself.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-24 04:31:28 PM
What is the Québécois word for pasta?
 
2013-02-24 04:32:56 PM
Hehe, fake Frenchies getting upset over language.
 
2013-02-24 04:34:09 PM
PFK? Splitters.
 
2013-02-24 04:34:13 PM

ZAZ: What is the Québécois word for pasta?


Le Pasta :P
 
2013-02-24 04:34:37 PM
Former PQ MNA Pierre Curzi, who attended the language meeting, said he found it suspect that media organizations are reporting on language inspections at the same time the government is working on Bill 14.
"It's bizarre that all this is coming out now," he said. "It's almost like this is a campaign on the part of the press."


No shiat.Sun News is practically the official propaganda department for the Neoconservative Party.
 
2013-02-24 04:35:09 PM
Call it 'Freedom Noodle"
 
2013-02-24 04:35:32 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.


Agreed. The Kentuckian People's Front is where it's at!
 
2013-02-24 04:36:09 PM
Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.
 
2013-02-24 04:39:12 PM

Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.


And yet the people who keep making them continue to get voted in...so someone must be loving this shiat...
 
2013-02-24 04:39:12 PM

Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.


Is francophone what they have to call the iPhone there?
 
2013-02-24 04:39:49 PM
monty-pythons-life-of-brian.trailertheater.com
The language inspector, hard at work.
 
2013-02-24 04:40:14 PM
I feel dirty for clicking a sun news link. Damn this high speed internet; the page loaded before I could shut it down.
 
2013-02-24 04:43:11 PM

quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK


What does the P stand for?
 
2013-02-24 04:43:15 PM
"One must not judge the OQLF based on only one incident."
fine... I'll judge you on the fact that you only exist because certain assholes in your population are being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

I've never met a Quebecois who didn't understand written and spoken English.
 
2013-02-24 04:43:26 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.


Instead of stabbing themselves with swords, the PFK suicide squad simply eats the chicken.
 
2013-02-24 04:45:01 PM

karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?


Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.
 
2013-02-24 04:45:04 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.


HA! You got a serious chuckle from me for that!! :D

We have NFC in Sweden  (Nordstan Fried Chicken)

www.collectiveshopping.se
 
2013-02-24 04:45:30 PM
le quebecois sont pazzi
 
2013-02-24 04:46:22 PM
I knew an anglo from Quebec who named his dog Bizmo.

Bizmo key
 
2013-02-24 04:46:42 PM
Pastagate? Really?
 
2013-02-24 04:46:51 PM
I was there when they passed "Bill 101", making French the only official language. People were joyously pulling down signs and breaking windows if they had any other language on them.
 
2013-02-24 04:47:00 PM

karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet Frite Kentucky , je suspect.

 
2013-02-24 04:47:16 PM
Jesus, even when the French aren't French, they're still insufferable.

/Prescriptive grammar much?
 
2013-02-24 04:47:21 PM

uttertosh: Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.

HA! You got a serious chuckle from me for that!! :D

We have NFC in Sweden  (Nordstan Fried Chicken)

[www.collectiveshopping.se image 416x280]


Tastes like Seahawks.
 
2013-02-24 04:48:06 PM
In other news, Quebec has a language minister.
 
2013-02-24 04:48:27 PM
So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.


Insecure much?

It's less insecurity than it is a siege mentality.  Here in France, the red octagonal street signs say "STOP."  In Québec, they say "ARRÊT."  The difference is that while there are many other countries in Europe around France, they speak many different languages (including Belgian and Swiss French), and French is the #2 language in Europe by number of native speakers.  In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.
 
2013-02-24 04:48:29 PM
This is typical of Quebecois.  Language laws are just an extension of the separatist population's overall desire to be a distinct and sovereign nation.  We are French!  You will not corrupt our culture with your <i>Hanglish!</i>
 
2013-02-24 04:51:59 PM

uttertosh: Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.

HA! You got a serious chuckle from me for that!! :D

We have NFC in Sweden  (Nordstan Fried Chicken)

[www.collectiveshopping.se image 416x280]


So if we expand that out it's Nordstan Fried Chicken Fried Chicken?
 
2013-02-24 04:52:41 PM
connerie!
 
2013-02-24 04:57:41 PM
ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The language inspector, hard at work.

Old and busted:
monty-pythons-life-of-brian.trailertheater.com

New hotness:
www.smokedtires.com
 
2013-02-24 04:59:10 PM
Quebec! J'accuse!

/all the French I know and will ever want to know
//preferred German in high school
///forgot all of it, took Arabic in college
////forgot all of it, learning Korean
//that one is actually taking more since I actually tend to use it
 
2013-02-24 05:01:06 PM

quatchi: karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.


Wait a minute. Shouldn't they be using the French word for Kentucky?

What is that, like, KentuckhoHO?
 
2013-02-24 05:02:15 PM
What's French for fark Quebec?
 
2013-02-24 05:02:45 PM
Christ, Quebec, you give French speakers a bad name. I may be picky about grammar and spelling in English, but I don't go around telling English speakers what vocabulary to use.*

Even the French aren't this anal about the language, and they have the Academie Francaise to deal with.

*There are so many dialects, it's pointless. As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"
 
pla
2013-02-24 05:03:26 PM
Dear Quebecians (No, I don't really care what made-up pseudo-French term you use to refer to yourselves) - Learn English like all your neighbors.  Jesus, even the real French make fun of you for speaking a form of their language abandoned in the 16th century.  Take that as a hint, guys.

Join the modern world, or enjoy your own "Florida"-like Fark tag.
 
2013-02-24 05:03:38 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: I've never met a Quebecois who didn't understand written and spoken English.


Then you not very social. I know a few Albertans that only spoke french. My wife worked at a dairy for years and the boss would hire employees from quebec and they would learn english while living and working in St Isadore.

Half an hour from the farm i grew up on is a big english town of 6000. A half hour in the opposite direction are atleast 6 (all i can think of off the top of my head there are more) incredibly french villages where you cannot get english radio in your car and the stop signs say "Arret" And i would be able to find atleast a few people in each place that would struggle with english.

And thats Alberta. Quebecois deserve being made fun of but language is a huge problem there.

Kids grow up in Quebec and can't speak English and it keeps them from expanding their culture because they can find work anywhere but Quebec.

\I have a beef
\\french was beaten out of my (white) grandmother by nuns at a residential school. My grandmother refused to speak french in the home because she was afraid her children would be beaten for using it. Residential schools werent just an indian thing. They took so much from so many peoples heritage.
\\\Both languages should be taught 1-12 through the entire country.
 
2013-02-24 05:03:47 PM

quatchi: karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.


lol...so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

So what is the deal with all this anyway?  What's their problem with non-French language?
 
2013-02-24 05:05:26 PM

quatchi: You cannot mandate a culture.


. . .but the Quebecois sure try.
 
2013-02-24 05:08:05 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-24 05:09:23 PM

karmachameleon: What's their problem with non-French language?


It's not French
 
2013-02-24 05:15:51 PM
In other news, Quebec has a f*cking ministry of language.  Let that sink in.  Language police.

oi44.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-24 05:15:58 PM
I did not know that KFC sold French cuisine.
Is fried chicken Swedish too?
 
2013-02-24 05:16:33 PM

karmachameleon: quatchi: karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.

lol...so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

So what is the deal with all this anyway?  What's their problem with non-French language?


There's not much else to do but biatch about stuff when the rest of canada  (re: anglos) are paying the bills
 
2013-02-24 05:17:10 PM
Worse is calling every scandal no matter how trivial (soandso)GATE. Is that ever going to end?
 
2013-02-24 05:17:54 PM

karmachameleon: lol...so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

So what is the deal with all this anyway?  What's their problem with non-French language?


It stretches back a long time - when Britian won Canada from the French in the French and Indian Wars, really. Shortly after, Britain passed a law called the Quebec Act which gave French-speaking, Catholic-worshiping francophones equal rights. (as an intesting side note, this was one of the things that got New Englanders all hot-under-the-collar, leading to the American Revolution).

As Canada gained sovereignty, Quebec was still given special status. For example, Quebec's version of social security is seperate from the rest of Canada's. However, Until the late 70's/early 80's the province was still basically run by a tiny Anglophone leadership with a large base of francophones. People who lived generally without any English still had no right to French-language schools, road signs, ect.

During that time about 30 years ago though, a nationalist movement grew up - most exemplified by Parti (provincial) /Bloc(federal) Quebecois. The PQ where who passed Language laws - partally as a "f-you" to the anglophones, but also as a way to rally people toward independence. Now, the Quebec Nationalist movement is nearly dead in real terms, but it got SCARY close in 1995 (mostly due to the Non-side being completebuffoons on a Democrats-during-the-2000's level).

But the Language Police are still there. They still measure signs to make sure the French is X amount bigger then the English, and such. It's really their last desperate grasp, especially after the last national where the Bloc were decimated.

/tell me if I'm out of date on any of my info.
 
2013-02-24 05:18:23 PM

Paris1127: As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"


I've always liked that one.

Being Canadian is rather odd as our version of English has both American and English spellings.

When I first started political blogging on a semi regular basis it was 2004 and the blowback over the well meant but ill advised letter writing campaign against Bush from Brits via the Guardian newspaper was sweeping the internet so I carefully dropped my extra Us and other Canadianisms and carefully formulated my sentences to make my nationality less obvious without actually lying about it.

I am, of course, long past that point by now.

karmachameleon: So what is the deal with all this anyway?  What's their problem with non-French language?


As mentioned above they have for better or worse adopted a siege mentality as regards their language but their over zealousness in this regard has made them more enemies than friends. In the story above the language police made a boneheaded decision and the language minister was forced to recant and strike down the ridiculous rule after three days of public facepalming.

I get what they're doing and why they're doing it I just think how they are doing it is wrong headed.
 
2013-02-24 05:18:24 PM

lilplatinum: Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.

Is francophone what they have to call the iPhone there?


It's called jePhone in Quebec.
 
2013-02-24 05:19:15 PM

uttertosh: Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.

HA! You got a serious chuckle from me for that!! :D

We have NFC in Sweden  (Nordstan Fried Chicken)

[www.collectiveshopping.se image 416x280]


Around here, we're more creative with the names of fried-chicken outlets:
farm7.staticflickr.com
in Bras D'Or, Cape Breton.  Some good, eh.
 
2013-02-24 05:23:04 PM

saintstryfe: /tell me if I'm out of date on any of my info.


Um, actually no that's a pretty good sum up.

Is weird.

I like to tell the old joke that the Canada/US border is really a 3,000 mile long one way mirror where we can see in but the US can't look back through but apparently times have changed.

C'est bon!
 
2013-02-24 05:23:09 PM
Yet despite this stupidity I am still happy to live in a province where, at a minimum, we conduct our absurdities in a civil manner*. The '96 referendum came so close (approx 1%) to tearing Canada apart and yet the next day the results were accepted without violence or social unrest. Many places, in the 1st world even, wouldn't be able to claim the same.

As a local I feel this is more of a case of an overzealous staffer than anything else. Everyone now has to make the same tired old statements, press releases, face saving, and rhetoric that they do every time. It's an empty ritual and most people I know just hope they can do it as quickly as possible so that sleeping dogs lie.

*Not counting the FLQ; Maybe too many people remember how that went?
 
2013-02-24 05:24:56 PM
I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.
 
2013-02-24 05:27:02 PM
..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything
 
2013-02-24 05:27:51 PM

quatchi: saintstryfe: /tell me if I'm out of date on any of my info.

Um, actually no that's a pretty good sum up.

Is weird.

I like to tell the old joke that the Canada/US border is really a 3,000 mile long one way mirror where we can see in but the US can't look back through but apparently times have changed.

C'est bon!


It actually was pretty good. Though he could have added the separate Provincial tax system as compared to the Federal forms taking care of that part for all other Territories and Provinces. Though that doesn't have much to do with language laws.
 
2013-02-24 05:31:38 PM
Meanwhile, the Académie Française has just appointed its first English académician - proof, if it were needed, that even Brits speak better French than the Quebecois.
 
2013-02-24 05:31:57 PM
What do you expect when you try and knock together England Lite and fill it with Frawnch people.
 
2013-02-24 05:32:51 PM

JasonOfOrillia: So if we expand that out it's Nordstan Fried Chicken Fried Chicken?


To be sure, mon amour! (i never said, sense it maid)

Type random string here: more creative


dude... "lick-a-chick" is so wrong that even here in uberlibertatian swedistan, you'd get slung in jail for a pun like that. (Maybe even one without cable tv!)
 
2013-02-24 05:33:57 PM

Magic_Button: ..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything


I our defense they have to use offices and committees to waste money rather than having every politician add their own spending bump to every bill that crosses the floor.

In the absence of a big corrupt American system we try our best to waste money like any good government does.
 
2013-02-24 05:49:04 PM

mikefinch: Magic_Button: ..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything

I our defense they have to use offices and committees to waste money rather than having every politician add their own spending bump to every bill that crosses the floor.

In the absence of a big corrupt American system we try our best to waste money like any good government does.


We have the Department of Indian Affairs that wastes more money than anything else.
 
2013-02-24 05:49:26 PM
When I was in Vancouver doing some work in the early 90s, a woman was telling me that her dad was a pilot for Air Canada. They were required to keep somebody on board to speak French to controllers when the flights were into Quebec. What was outrageous was that EVEN FRANCE talks to pilots in English. The only place in the world where airliners flew (at least in terms of international airports, and the places her dad flew into Quebec qualified as "international") that had this special requirement was Quebec.

Most Canadians west of Ontario seem to absolutely hate Quebec with a passion, and mostly over this sort of stupidity.

I knew a salesman who had an interesting story about getting lost in Quebec; they asked some local for directions, and the local Quebecois played stupid, "no parlez vous Englais" - but when he lamented he was willing to pay for directions, the guy immediately spit out the directions, in perfect English. He tore off without paying the guy, because, as he said to the guy as he was leaving, "I said I was willing to pay for the information, until I found out you were playing games with me"

img2u.info
 
2013-02-24 05:50:14 PM

quatchi: Paris1127: As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"

I've always liked that one.

Being Canadian is rather odd as our version of English has both American and English spellings.


I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?" I was later told this might be because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American. This was especially odd as Aussies really seem to love Americans and see many more of us than Canadians...
 
2013-02-24 05:51:34 PM

ZAZ: What is the Québécois word for pasta?


I don't know, I didn't go to Burger King.
 
2013-02-24 05:52:38 PM
Sacre Bleu!
 
2013-02-24 05:53:21 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


A ministry? You mean the Quebek Büro der französischen Sprache, the propaganda tool of the Quebek Reichprotectorat?
 
2013-02-24 05:55:34 PM
Paris1127: ...because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American.

CSB!

I'm never offended when that happens. But then I'm largely unflappable unless I'm actively leaking blood in copious amounts or being shot at.

My favorite part of travelling is the fact that when I go to other English speaking parts of the world I suddenly have an accent whereas when I'm back at home I sound just like everyone else.

Accents are cool.
 
2013-02-24 05:58:57 PM
I think in many ways living in Quebec would farking suck.
 
2013-02-24 06:01:07 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


Actually, about that...
 
2013-02-24 06:01:15 PM
fubegra.net

Français, 'stie, parlez-vous?
 
2013-02-24 06:03:41 PM

quatchi: Kumana Wanalaia: PFK? Splitters.

Agreed. The Kentuckian People's Front is where it's at!


We're taking over reality television as you speak.

As for the menu dust-up, in addition to having seen 'Mambo Italiano', one of my buddy's lives on Rue Clark. As an outsider, I find it a bit odd that some Italians are so insistent about speaking English to the French.
 
2013-02-24 06:04:31 PM
Ostie de tabarnak de calisse!
 
2013-02-24 06:04:58 PM

Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"


I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too
 
2013-02-24 06:08:16 PM
There's a Krunchy Fried Chicken on the corner of Wood St.  KFC in huge letters, too.
 
2013-02-24 06:10:40 PM

Robo Beat: It's less insecurity than it is a siege mentality. Here in France, the red octagonal street signs say "STOP." In Québec, they say "ARRÊT." The difference is that while there are many other countries in Europe around France, they speak many different languages (including Belgian and Swiss French), and French is the #2 language in Europe by number of native speakers. In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.


Even funnier, "stop" is a perfectly cromulent French word, and even the French-language directions in a Mille Bornes deck use "Stop" for the Stop card (never mind that the game originated in France to begin with).

I've always been amused at the French obsession with linguistic purity, especially when the Académie Française rejects a word as too English-sounding even though it began life as a French word.
 
2013-02-24 06:15:52 PM

Mister Peejay: Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"

I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too


A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian
 
2013-02-24 06:19:57 PM

satanorsanta: A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian


For the 5,372,862nd time no one in Canada says "aboot" except for old Scots who say it that way no matter where they live.

It's an urban myth.

I'm 50 and have been to every province and one territory and I have never heard a Canadian who wasn't of Scottish descent say that.
 
2013-02-24 06:21:26 PM

Wolf892: Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.

And yet the people who keep making them continue to get voted in...so someone must be loving this shiat...


They don't "continue to be voted in". They were recently elected after almost a decade of a Liberal government that people wanted to turf out because of massive corruption scandals and completely incompetent handling of student protests. The PQ's election had little to do with language and less with sovereignty, which only about a quarter of the population supports. It won't stop them from some idiocy around language, but don't mistake the situation for public support.
 
2013-02-24 06:23:15 PM

satanorsanta: Mister Peejay: Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"

I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too

A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian


haven't heard "aboot", but "aboat" is something most of my canadian friends say.
 
2013-02-24 06:26:17 PM
What kind of assholes don't live in France but look at the French and say "Mon dieu, I want to be just like zem!"?
 
2013-02-24 06:26:52 PM

quatchi: You cannot mandate a culture.

It either exists on it's own steam or it dies.

The French language police are the most petty, unneeded Wastes of Bandwidth EVAR.

Here's an example that drives me nuts.

Kentucky Fried Chicken is now know as KFC around the world.

Except in Quebec where it is PFK

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x360]

So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.

Insecure much?


well considering before it was branded with letters only, it was known as Poulet Fried Kentucky.  would seem rather silly to change it to KFC instead of PFK since people familiar with the brand might not know where the letters came from

i think the french are a bit overprotective, but seeing what is happening with Japanese, I can understand.  its the whole frog in a pot of boiling water.  Seems like every new word in Japanese is in katakana.   They import words for which there already is a japanese word (unless im missing some subtlety, which i admit, is likely)
 
2013-02-24 06:30:23 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: "One must not judge the OQLF based on only one incident."
fine... I'll judge you on the fact that you only exist because certain assholes in your population are being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

I've never met a Quebecois who didn't understand written and spoken English.


I've met a bunch of them who were functionally either monolingual in French or bilingual in French and a non-Engish language.
 
2013-02-24 06:31:53 PM
Just as an FYI, if you're ever in Montreal, check that restaurant out.  Went there for New Years a couple years a go, and holy shiat, that might have been the greatest concentration of beautiful people that I have ever seen.  Everyone was a 10.  Our waitress looked like Britney Spears back when that meant something.   I recall the food being pretty decent as well.
 
2013-02-24 06:31:56 PM

saintstryfe: But the Language Police are still there. They still measure signs to make sure the French is X amount bigger then the English, and such. It's really their last desperate grasp, especially after the last national where the Bloc were decimated.


Thanks for the info.  To me this all sounds rather hilarious (and pathetically insecure).
 
2013-02-24 06:32:28 PM

quatchi: karmachameleon: quatchi: Except in Quebec where it is PFK

What does the P stand for?

Poulet is French for Chicken. So... Poulet Frit Kentucky.


Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.
 
2013-02-24 06:32:48 PM

Paris1127: quatchi: Paris1127: As Churchill once described the US and UK: "two countries divided by a common language"

I've always liked that one.

Being Canadian is rather odd as our version of English has both American and English spellings.

I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?" I was later told this might be because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American. This was especially odd as Aussies really seem to love Americans and see many more of us than Canadians...


I disagree. There is a fark load of Canadians in Australia and a shiat load of them here, probably because we have similar work visa programs and we both actively promote tourism in each others countries. Seriously go to Banff and try to go a day without meeting an Aussie working and vice versa for Australia.
 
2013-02-24 06:35:41 PM

bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.


Where did you hear that? France does have a ministry of culture that regulates the language. They're nororiously dickish about it.

Link
 
2013-02-24 06:36:27 PM

Bob_Sled: We have the Department of Indian Affairs that wastes more money than anything else.


To be fair, though, a lot of programming and support jobs have been outsourced to Delhi.
 
2013-02-24 06:36:52 PM

Robo Beat: So to reiterate in Paris France where the French language comes from it's called KFC.

In Quebec it's PFK.

Insecure much?

It's less insecurity than it is a siege mentality.  Here in France, the red octagonal street signs say "STOP."  In Québec, they say "ARRÊT."  The difference is that while there are many other countries in Europe around France, they speak many different languages (including Belgian and Swiss French), and French is the #2 language in Europe by number of native speakers.  In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.


In Puerto Rico, those red octagonal signs say "PARE."
 
2013-02-24 06:38:21 PM
I believe that 'douche' is French as well. Along with its derivative 'douchey'.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-24 06:39:05 PM
Wow, that's a nice bit of discrimination they have going there.
 
2013-02-24 06:41:03 PM
What do Pastafarians think about this?
 
2013-02-24 06:42:54 PM
      liberals are not real big on free speech
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2013-02-24 06:43:23 PM

angrycrank: They don't "continue to be voted in". They were recently elected after almost a decade of a Liberal government that people wanted to turf out because of massive corruption scandals and completely incompetent handling of student protests. The PQ's election had little to do with language and less with sovereignty, which only about a quarter of the population supports. It won't stop them from some idiocy around language, but don't mistake the situation for public support.


Much as the SNP took power in Scotland although only 30% of Scots at best want independence. Protest vote against the almost wholly corrupt Labour Party.
 
2013-02-24 06:44:47 PM

yeegrek: Just as an FYI, if you're ever in Montreal, check that restaurant out.  Went there for New Years a couple years a go, and holy shiat, that might have been the greatest concentration of beautiful people that I have ever seen.  Everyone was a 10.  Our waitress looked like Britney Spears back when that meant something.   I recall the food being pretty decent as well.




Do they serve anything other than fried chicken? I don't even eat at the KFC's. in the US.
 
2013-02-24 06:44:56 PM

DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.


[englishmotherfarker]
 
2013-02-24 06:46:20 PM

thisiszombocom: well considering before it was branded with letters only, it was known as Poulet Fried Kentucky.  would seem rather silly to change it to KFC instead of PFK since people familiar with the brand might not know where the letters came from


Well that's certainly *an* argument.

I sticking with "being the only people on the planet insecure enough to do this is waaaaay sillier".
 
2013-02-24 06:48:17 PM

clane: liberals are not real big on free speech


What does that even mean in this context?

Reflexive knee jerk partisanship is reflexive and foolish.
 
2013-02-24 07:07:32 PM
I remember that, a while back, I got a job supporting a software product by phone, doing support for the US and Canada.  We did not have French-language support, so if anyone called in from Quebec, pardon-moi, but we just had to try to get through it in English.

Most of the time, the callers were cool with this, and we got through it.  (I could at least send them documentation in French if all else failed.)  But I dealt with some total couillonswho were outraged that we weren't offering support in French, and started biatching at me about it.

The worst part was that, for some reason, I found the fact that they were going off on me in very heavily accented English hilarious, so I was trying not to openly laugh at them.

/Histoire fraîche Bro
 
2013-02-24 07:11:24 PM
sacred cownoun an individual, , institution, etc., considered to be exempt from criticism or questioning.
Well, the US has its football,  Canada needs something, too.
 
2013-02-24 07:16:17 PM

quatchi: DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.

[englishmotherfarker]


Uh, ya gotta little poutine gravy on your shirt there buddy
 
2013-02-24 07:16:23 PM

quatchi: satanorsanta: A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian

For the 5,372,862nd time no one in Canada says "aboot" except for old Scots who say it that way no matter where they live.

It's an urban myth.

I'm 50 and have been to every province and one territory and I have never heard a Canadian who wasn't of Scottish descent say that.


I know a mid-40s Jewish guy from Montreal that says "aboot."

Next fib you'll be telling is that no-one in Canada ever says "eh."
 
2013-02-24 07:16:59 PM

clane: liberals are not real big on free speech
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I know, right? This is clearly Obama's fault
 
2013-02-24 07:17:42 PM
Ever wonder why so many Quebecers end up in Florida?
 
2013-02-24 07:26:05 PM

DownDaRiver: quatchi: DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.

[englishmotherfarker]

Uh, ya gotta little poutine gravy on your shirt there buddy


The non sequitar club meets on Mondays, not Sundays, dumbass.
 
2013-02-24 07:27:36 PM

give me doughnuts: Next fib you'll be telling is that no-one in Canada ever says "eh."


I've met more Americans who say "aboot" than Canadians.

And of course we say "eh".

We don't wanna sound like dumb yanks, huh?
 
2013-02-24 07:30:25 PM

Bastard Toadflax: bunner: I hear they speak French in France and it's working out without a ministry.

Where did you hear that? France does have a ministry of culture that regulates the language. They're nororiously dickish about it.

Link


I see.  So the problem is French people, not Canada.  Thanks for the info.
 
2013-02-24 07:33:42 PM

quatchi: It either exists on it's own steam or it dies.


Can extra apostrophes die? I mandate it.
 
2013-02-24 07:34:03 PM

ciberido: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: The language inspector, hard at work.

Old and busted:


New hotness:


Both funny movies
 
2013-02-24 07:35:14 PM
Wow, the Québécois  must be really pissed off that the incident isn't being called pastaporte.
 
2013-02-24 07:35:29 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: quatchi: It either exists on it's own steam or it dies.

Can extra apostrophes die? I mandate it.


[bobtheangryflower]

My bad.
 
2013-02-24 07:59:57 PM

quatchi: DownDaRiver: quatchi: DownDaRiver: Ya, thanks for babbling on about PFK as if everyone every where would know. (but you knew they wouldn't)
Just sitting waiting to be asked.

[englishmotherfarker]

Uh, ya gotta little poutine gravy on your shirt there buddy

The non sequitar club meets on Mondays, not Sundays, dumbass.


Hey, just because you're pissed that your sister is really into chinesse fisherman, don't take it out on my family.
We just don't happen to care where a person comes from or what they do for a living. As long as they are nice and they care about animals that's all that matters to us.

And looks like you also maybe have some cheese curds from that poutine on your pants. Oh, that's not curds is it? Damn man, that's just gross!
 
2013-02-24 08:08:04 PM

Amish Animal Scientist: ZAZ: What is the Québécois word for pasta?

Le Pasta :P


Non, non, non!
Le Pasta

The language police also carry calipers with them to ensure that the French lettering on bilingual signs is larger than the English.
You really can't make this sh*t up.
 
2013-02-24 08:17:16 PM
DownDaRiver:  *derp redacted*

Okay, I get it. You're drunk.
 
pc
2013-02-24 08:35:48 PM
Sorry, Frau Marois, but you quebequers don't speak french. Even your movies need subtitles in France
 
2013-02-24 08:38:27 PM

quatchi: DownDaRiver:  *derp redacted*

Okay, I get it. You're drunk.


No, I'm not
But that made me laugh
So I'll stop
 
2013-02-24 09:01:29 PM
When you do business with Quebec, get ready for plenty of useless, absurd, petulant, and potentially costly language requirements to be legally inserted into your posterior.  And yes, you will be the one paying to get Quebec compliant.
 
2013-02-24 09:04:09 PM
There's no butthurt quite like French butthurt.
 
2013-02-24 09:22:18 PM
Does that mean I have to change my user name to "Panda Frit Kentucky"?
 
2013-02-24 09:30:31 PM

satanorsanta: Mister Peejay: Paris1127: I think Canadian English is closer to American than British, but maybe that's just the way you talk. When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?"

I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent".  Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too

A Taiwanese Canadian that I work with in Boston claimed that no one in Canada says aboot instead of about.  I told him that he was just too used to it to notice.  I have heard it while camping in Ontario so it must be real.  But Canadian is much more like American than British or Australian


It's more like abowt (long on the ow) than aboot. I spent 5 years in California and usually most Americans would ask where I was from in about 20 minutes.
Quebec Culture = American movies with French overdub (and more boobies)
 
2013-02-24 09:46:12 PM
Everytime I hear someone speaking French I want to hand them a hankie and tell them to blow their nose.
 
2013-02-24 10:12:54 PM

Paris1127: When I was in Australia, people would hear me speak and ask "are you Canadian?" I was later told this might be because they don't want to offend Canadians by calling them American. This was especially odd as Aussies really seem to love Americans and see many more of us than Canadians...


Everyone does that.  Americans don't care, but Canadians get very pissed off if you suspect they are from the US.
 
2013-02-24 10:26:37 PM
Way back in 1968 or so when I was a young lad we did a family road trip to Montreal. Dad got lost and tried to ask a traffic cop for directions, but he was all "no parley-voo." Mom, a native Belgian, leaned over and said something in French, and all of a sudden this was the most helpful English-speaking cop ever.


/nothing new here
 
2013-02-24 10:39:40 PM
Quebec and Florida should hold hands and jump off the Eiffel Tower.
 
2013-02-24 10:44:51 PM

Robo Beat: In Canada, the Québécois are surrounded by Anglophones.


Whatever language Canadian Maritimers speak, it isn't english.

/I have as much difficulty hearing through a Quebecois French accent as I do a Newfoundlander "english" accent.
 
2013-02-24 10:51:13 PM
So uh... Anglo-Canadians... why do you all put up with this shiat, again?
 
2013-02-24 11:30:18 PM
Poutine.


That is all.
 
2013-02-25 12:29:05 AM

Marine1: So uh... Anglo-Canadians... why do you all put up with this shiat, again?


Long story short?

We kicked their asses on the plains of Abraham a while back but the US was starting to get all annexy so we married in haste and are now repenting in leisure.

/It's slightly more complicated than that but that's the gist.
 
2013-02-25 12:57:47 AM
I find the authority you represent to be unjust, and abhorrent.  As an agent of such authority, I must destroy you.
 
2013-02-25 01:15:38 AM

clane: liberals are not real big on free speech
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You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2013-02-25 01:41:28 AM

karmachameleon: saintstryfe: But the Language Police are still there. They still measure signs to make sure the French is X amount bigger then the English, and such. It's really their last desperate grasp, especially after the last national where the Bloc were decimated.

Thanks for the info.  To me this all sounds rather hilarious (and pathetically insecure).


Well, it's not entirely. For several generations, being francophone was a real limit to your ability to grow, And it wasn't just your language - it was the community you were raised in. Anglophones were people with British names, raised in British way, and they were expected to be the leaders. Francophones were not expected to ever achieve. To start, it was a reasonable response. You have 50+% of your population who speaks little or no English, why should all the signs be in English? (remember, back in the 70's we weren't so connected, people could be raised like that).

I agree today it is a little out of place. But it's historical roots make it a bit more clear why it started.

And it's not without precedence either - in France, theAcadémie française controls french language use - dictating what a hamburger is called for instance. In a world where French people and English people have been feuding since 1066, mostly with France being on the sad side of things, they are a bit defensive about English language getting a foothold.

/my parents were Anglophones who left in the early 80's, just as I was born. I was actually an Anchor Baby of sorts. I can't say Rene Lesveque (the first big leader of the PQ) to them without getting nasty looks.
//I say Rene Lesveque frequently.
 
2013-02-25 01:54:17 AM

dobro: Worse is calling every scandal no matter how trivial (soandso)GATE. Is that ever going to end?


Damn you, now you've unleashed overuseofgategate.
 
2013-02-25 02:01:44 AM

Kentucky Fried Panda: Does that mean I have to change my user name to "Panda Frit Kentucky"?


C'est Ling-Ling doigt bon, or something.
 
2013-02-25 04:59:24 AM

ZAZ: What is the Québécois word for pasta?


If it's the same as French, "pâté". Or, in English, "paste", which is quite logical really, when you think about it, bearing in mind how it's made.
 
2013-02-25 08:32:49 AM

Magic_Button: ..so I don't know much about Quebec, except that it's a part of Canada, which I have always thought of as a primarily English-speaking country.  Reading this article, I'm amused that there is such a thing as a "language minister" and a "language office" or department or whatever...I mean, seriously?  When it comes to government waste, I can hardly think of anything more potentially wasteful that whatever a "language department" does.

Office of Religion ?

A federal office that has no powers

A Committee that has never met or decided anything


That federal office with no powers was put in place to stop people like Michael Bryant from getting the prosecution lawyer to claim no case pretrial since he is a party supporter.
 
2013-02-25 09:01:19 AM
The funny thing was that Rene Levesque was totally gay for America; he signed up as a US Military journalist to avoid fighting for the anglos in Canada.
 
2013-02-25 10:14:47 AM
clane:
liberals are not real big on free speech
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Mega Steve:
I know, right? This is clearly Obama's fault

clane:
whooooosh... that's the sound of my point flying over your head
 
2013-02-25 10:19:36 AM

quatchi: Marine1: So uh... Anglo-Canadians... why do you all put up with this shiat, again?

Long story short?

We kicked their asses on the plains of Abraham a while back but the US was starting to get all annexy so we married in haste and are now repenting in leisure.

/It's slightly more complicated than that but that's the gist.


So it's not just the poutine?
 
2013-02-25 10:30:47 AM
clane:
liberals are not real big on free speech


Kahabut:
You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

clane:
I understand it's confusing for you but nothing Liberal Democrats do make much sense to begin with.

Liberal Democrat 1. A person who has sold out their beliefs in the desperate persuit of political power. A barefaced, shameless liar.
 
2013-02-25 01:22:58 PM
In other news, some Americans want "English only" laws passed.
 
2013-02-25 02:04:12 PM
The sad part for the PQ types is that they need to look at a map of the Western Hemisphere to see the future, and it isn't 'en francaise' so much as 'espanol'.

Areas of predominantly French-like language:
Quebec
New Brunswick (1/2)
the Ottawa 'capital' region
Haiti
French Suriname

English
Most of the rest of Canada
Most of the USA
English Caribbean, Belize, Guyana

Spanish
becoming big in the southern USA
Puerto Rico, Dominican Repubilc, Cuba
Mexico, Guatamala, Hondouras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Panama, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Boliva, Uraguay, Argentina, Venezula, Ecuador

And Brazil with Portugeuse.
 
2013-02-26 01:37:25 AM

Wolf892: Bug2k: Montrealers such as myself are largely sick of these laws, including most of my francophone friends.

And yet the people who keep making them continue to get voted in...so someone must be loving this shiat...


You forget that there's more to Quebec than just Montreal.
 
2013-02-26 06:14:29 PM

Mister Peejay: I... can't hear the so-called "Candian accent". Every Canadian I've met sounded accentless.

Any time I meet someone who has the "Canadian accent", it's because they're from Minnesota.

/although, stand in subzero temps for eight hours, you get the accent too


Ive been picked out not just as a Canadian but a guy from north dakota specifically picked us up as being Alberta or Saskatchewan residents.

We have really strong accents the more rural and farther out you go. Adam Beech (Actor) has a strong native accent and i know allot of people who sound exactly like him... People in the centres around vancouver or toronto have very softened accents (torontonians i think have a bit of a 'droopy dog' inflection) But if you go somewhere like Regina or Fredericton you will hear it.

Also i find it really comes out the drunker we get. Get us drunk if you really want to hear it.
 
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