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(Poynter Institute)   By trying to quash grandstand video of Daytona crash out of "respect for the fans", NASCAR bump drafts The Streisand Effect   (poynter.org ) divider line 45
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2013-02-24 12:11:35 PM  
naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-24 03:40:39 PM  
Poor comparison. Nobody wanted to see Babs' house before she got lawyery and people learned she was still alive. Everybody wants to see race crash video.
 
2013-02-24 04:06:30 PM  
Prediction: NASCAR will work the Florida Legislature to outlaw posting videos of horrific crashes by fans.

Yes, yes, there will be the First Amendment, but enough lawyering, grafting, and "it's implied on the ticket you buy" will negate it.
 
2013-02-24 05:30:28 PM  

Cewley: naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.


This.
 
2013-02-24 05:45:16 PM  

Cewley: . Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where.


To be fair that wouldn't have helped yesterday, it wasn't just the wheel that flew off it was the entire suspension sub-assembly with the wheel attached that flew off. And keep in mind the entire from part of the chassis got sheared off from the rest of the car.
 
2013-02-24 05:48:14 PM  
naswwecar ?
 
2013-02-24 06:07:33 PM  

rhiannon: naswwecar ?


As in NAS WWE CAR?

There has been a lot of rumors that NASCAR has been orchestrating the outcome of a lot of races over the last few decades.
 
2013-02-24 06:10:08 PM  

rhiannon: naswwecar ?


As on the internet?
 
2013-02-24 06:11:55 PM  

The Slush: rhiannon: naswwecar ?

As on the internet?


On a large storage device.
 
2013-02-24 06:16:03 PM  

Lord Jubjub: rhiannon: naswwecar ?

As in NAS WWE CAR?

There has been a lot of rumors that NASCAR has been orchestrating the outcome of a lot of races over the last few decades.


Just looks funny is all.

OtherLittleGuy: Prediction: NASCAR will work the Florida Legislature to outlaw posting videos of horrific crashes by fans.

Yes, yes, there will be the First Amendment, but enough lawyering, grafting, and "it's implied on the ticket you buy" will negate it.


It would probably work like, and as well as, the "no recording" shiat works at concerts.
 
2013-02-24 06:19:21 PM  
Maybe if you don't put a Farking Gate in the middle of the catchfence the fence would work.
 
2013-02-24 06:23:56 PM  
No one died?  Shouldn't we be praising their safety measures?

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2013-02-24 06:30:29 PM  
Can't really be a Streisand effect when it's plastered on the front page of ESPN right after it happens
 
2013-02-24 06:32:03 PM  

Cewley: naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.


Don't disagree, but the real problem regarding fan safety is catch fencing at high speed ovals...both NASCAR and Indy Car.

The current solution is completely 20 years behind modern materials and design

Steel bracing, cable and basically high-end chain link fencing isn't going to get it done.
 
2013-02-24 06:35:36 PM  

Cewley: Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device.


nope. It and another device (i don't recall the name) were already in regular use before the wreck. Neither was officially mandated, but the majority of the drivers used them. Dale refused to use them, and that's why he died. After his death, they were mandatory safety features, but there were in no way unknown in the sport.
 
2013-02-24 06:37:00 PM  
I'm no physics expert, but it seems to me that anyone who chooses to sit within 25 yards of 50 3000lb vehicles
traveling at 200mph is assuming a risk of injury.

/they bought their tickets
//they knew what they were getting into
///let 'em crash
 
2013-02-24 06:38:09 PM  

Cewley: Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.


Show me where you would have attached the tether and had it make a difference yesterday
binaryapi.ap.org
 
2013-02-24 06:39:18 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Cewley: Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.

Show me where you would have attached the tether and had it make a difference yesterday
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That'll buff right out.
 
2013-02-24 06:43:55 PM  
It always takes a major accident before changes are made because of "safety".  Hockey added more nets around the rink because the old style wasn't enough.

I'll add that the catch fencing WORKED.  It did save the car from going into the stands.  The tire that hurt the most people flew over the fence.  The motor and other front tire assembly were on laying next to the fencing.  Sure, a bunch of shiat flew through the crowd, but I think it worked the best it could.

CSB:  I remember sitting at the wall at Bryar Motorsport Park in Loudon, NH (before it became New Hampshire Motor Speedway).  A car flipped and hit the wall and the concrete failed.  That could've been a lot worse.
/csb
 
2013-02-24 06:46:49 PM  

Cewley: naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.


There are already mandated that wheels be tethered to the cars. Put in place 15 years ago.

It doesn't really help when the entire front of the car is sheared off.
 
2013-02-24 06:56:37 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Cewley: Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.

Show me where you would have attached the tether and had it make a difference yesterday
[binaryapi.ap.org image 460x297]


Adrian Newey would have made the entire front of the car a flexible wing.
 
2013-02-24 06:57:27 PM  
Holy crap. Didn't look that bad until some of the people moved and you see a tire sitting in the stands.

Here's the video from TFA along with two others that look like the official NASCAR shots of the accident
Link

And here's another fan's video, that clearly shows the break in the fence.

Link
 
2013-02-24 08:11:07 PM  
WHOOO! NASCAR! WHOOO!
 
2013-02-24 08:37:35 PM  

Elegy: Holy crap. Didn't look that bad until some of the people moved and you see a tire sitting in the stands.

Here's the video from TFA along with two others that look like the official NASCAR shots of the accident
Link

And here's another fan's video, that clearly shows the break in the fence.

Link


Hun...well damn...there's a tire in my beer.
 
2013-02-24 08:52:36 PM  
they were drafting like hell on saturday. today they backed off. i'm guessing behind closed doors sat night the drivers were instructed to back off. the race today sucked imho. the dan weldon crash is the most recent one i'd blame 100% on the racing committee not putting the stop to a 3 ring circus of a race.
 
2013-02-24 08:56:32 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Cewley: Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device.

nope. It and another device (i don't recall the name) were already in regular use before the wreck. Neither was officially mandated, but the majority of the drivers used them. Dale refused to use them, and that's why he died. After his death, they were mandatory safety features, but there were in no way unknown in the sport.



Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

A good portion of the left side of his body (8 ribs, ankle) was broken in an accident he should've walked away from.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:50 PM  

bulldg4life: Cewley: naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.

There are already mandated that wheels be tethered to the cars. Put in place 15 years ago.

It doesn't really help when the entire front of the car is sheared off.


I would've thought you'd want them tethered to the car anyway. Would suck to get halfway around the track and realize your wheels were still back in the pit.
 
2013-02-24 09:54:55 PM  

Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.


Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.
 
2013-02-24 11:10:07 PM  

Cewley: naswwecar has a long history of being the last motor sport organization to employ safety features. Took earnhardt getting killed to get the HANS device. Formula one has for years required tires to be tethered to prevent them from flying who knows where. helton needs to get off his fat ass. that sad look act he employs is pathetic.


Well, I know you have never seen a Nascar race car up close, because their cars do have tethers on hoods, trunk lids, and all 4 tires.  Even in Formula one tires get away from the cart, because a tether cannot restrain a tire that broke from its lugs.  The tire that went over that fence was rim and tire only, it broke lugs.  Now if it went over the fence with suspension parts still attached then you would have a point.  Just like Formula One and Indy Cart, that car went to pieces like it is designed and saved the driver, the parts getting over the fence was a tragic turn of events.

As for the history of safety, Nascar employs safety features better now, but they have always tried to improve inspite of the race teams.  The HANS device was employed when Earnhardt died, but it wasn't mandatory.  Earnhardt was one of those drivers that didn't want safer conditions.  He died wearing an outdated open face helmet when other drivers were already using closed face air assist helmets, including his own son.  It is sad, but Nascar has to babysit those race teams to keep them from putting their own drivers at risk.  Part of the prerace inspection is making sure the roll cage is of proper strength, because if the teams could they would use thinner gauge steel if it will reduce the weight of car.  More race cars fail prerace inspection for safety reasons than performance cheating.  Nascar tries hard to keep things safe, it's the dunder headed race teams.  I think it is from breathing all those exhaust fumes.
 
2013-02-24 11:12:12 PM  

rhiannon: Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.


Earnhardt died because he made a right turn.
 
2013-02-24 11:22:15 PM  
I was at the 1998 U.S 500 in Michigan when Adrian Fernandez's tire flew into the stands. I walked by and nothing but blood all over the stands, decapitated three on that day.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnHpeP4s5L4
 
2013-02-25 12:17:59 AM  

UNC_Samurai: rhiannon: Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.

Earnhardt died because he made a right turn.


Earnhardt died because he made a wrong turn.
 
2013-02-25 12:24:50 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Show me where you would have attached the tether and had it make a difference yesterday


To the front subframe, the part that didn't go in the stands.
Note that this is the entire spindle and hub assembly including A frames, if tethered, would have remained with the front subframe which from all photos I've seen remained on the track even though it did get separated.
Still, they were lucky it wasn't much worse. A tether would only be a partial solution, at best.
i.i.com.com
 
2013-02-25 04:30:01 AM  

rhiannon: UNC_Samurai: rhiannon: Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.

Earnhardt died because he made a right turn.

Earnhardt died because he made a wrong turn.


Earnhardt died because he stopped pumping oxygen to his brain.
 
2013-02-25 04:35:25 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Show me where you would have attached the tether and had it make a difference yesterday

To the front subframe, the part that didn't go in the stands.
Note that this is the entire spindle and hub assembly including A frames, if tethered, would have remained with the front subframe which from all photos I've seen remained on the track even though it did get separated.
Still, they were lucky it wasn't much worse. A tether would only be a partial solution, at best.
[i.i.com.com image 620x350]


That is freaky scary.

Whoever was 3 seats up from that had a bad day.
 
2013-02-25 07:42:04 AM  
The front suspensions are indeed tethered in NASCAR. The tethers obviously did not work here because the entire front clip of the car, to which the suspensions were tethered, was ripped off the chassis instantly when it impacted the cross-over gate.

NASCAR has, at times, been slow to react. But they do already mandate most (if not all) everything mentioned in this thread.

When I first saw the videos, I assumed the tire that ended in the grandstand went over the fence. I am surprised to see it went through the hole in the fence. There are probably other ways to engineer the fencing to prevent impacts from creating a hole like that, but those engineering minds are much smarter than mine. Had the car not disintegrated, the parts wouldn't have left the chassis. Had the fence not been as strong as it was, it may have failed altogether. Delicate balance...
 
2013-02-25 08:08:30 AM  
That's all people want to see when they go to these things anyway. Why else would you voluntarily sit and watch people driving but to hope for a firey crash?
 
2013-02-25 08:24:06 AM  

After scouring youtube for all of two seconds:

Link

/Also relevant
 
2013-02-25 10:37:23 AM  
NASCAR has become a joke. Brian France dumbed the sport down to compete on the same level with football and basket ball, and totally negated what little was left of the sport. I tried to give the new system a chance, but now, the first 2/3 of the season is basically devalued. By the time that the part of the season that matters rolls around, I'm already involved in other things. I haven't watched a full race since 2005, and even part of a race since 2009. The coverage has become a litany of explaining how racing works, over and over, and over again, like everybody who watches is either a n00b, or has Alzheimers. The drivers are emasculated, animated commercials. Is it any wonder that Danica Patrick won the pole at Daytona? It's one of the only two tracks that NASCAR officials can fix the outcome of, via liberal restrictor plate openings, and not have it be totally obvious. She did her part, and drove her car like she stole it. The officials did the rest, obviously to generate some hype for their sport, while it dies a slow death of waning credibility.

But, it's not all a loss. With the money I haven't spent on so much worthless memorabilia, tickets, and hotel rooms, I've bought a sweet Mustang, a motorcycle, a bass boat, and a pretty killer guitar collection. I get the results of the races on Monday mornings, and don't even feel like I've missed much anymore. Now, if I only knew what to do with a quarter-closet worth of mint condition die-cast & boxes...

/On a related note, I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Jimmie Johnson for successfully going slow the fastest in the 2013 Daytona Coin-Toss./
 
2013-02-25 11:09:33 AM  
This week has been a complete disaster for NASCAR.

First, Danica wins the pole. They're expecting a big heap of attention.. and they get it.. then quickly have a car fly into the stands, then see their handling of the situation rightly blasted by anyone with two eyes and a brain.

Then, the worst possible driver wins the Daytona 500. the same driver who caused casual fans to flee the sport in droves over the last 7 years wins the first race many of those alienated fans have watched in years.

Like a monkey humping a football... better luck next time, nasneck.
 
2013-02-25 11:41:47 AM  

HAMMERTOE: NASCAR has become a joke. Brian France dumbed the sport down to compete on the same level with football and basket ball, and totally negated what little was left of the sport. I tried to give the new system a chance, but now, the first 2/3 of the season is basically devalued. By the time that the part of the season that matters rolls around, I'm already involved in other things. I haven't watched a full race since 2005, and even part of a race since 2009. The coverage has become a litany of explaining how racing works, over and over, and over again, like everybody who watches is either a n00b, or has Alzheimers. The drivers are emasculated, animated commercials. Is it any wonder that Danica Patrick won the pole at Daytona? It's one of the only two tracks that NASCAR officials can fix the outcome of, via liberal restrictor plate openings, and not have it be totally obvious. She did her part, and drove her car like she stole it. The officials did the rest, obviously to generate some hype for their sport, while it dies a slow death of waning credibility.

But, it's not all a loss. With the money I haven't spent on so much worthless memorabilia, tickets, and hotel rooms, I've bought a sweet Mustang, a motorcycle, a bass boat, and a pretty killer guitar collection. I get the results of the races on Monday mornings, and don't even feel like I've missed much anymore. Now, if I only knew what to do with a quarter-closet worth of mint condition die-cast & boxes...

/On a related note, I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Jimmie Johnson for successfully going slow the fastest in the 2013 Daytona Coin-Toss./


Come to the dark side.  We have ice cream.

images.planetf1.com
 
2013-02-25 11:42:37 AM  
So it's okay to block Saturday's wreck "out of respect" but I've seen multiple videos of the wreck that killed Dale Sr, and I've also seen the one that killed Dan Wheldon in Indy Car (other than watching it live.... boy did I choose a great day to start watching Indy). Why is that not different?
 
2013-02-25 10:45:26 PM  
Slow mo from behind the impact point, with flying car bits goodness

/Watch it quick before someone wearing a suit and sunglasses orders it removed to re$pect for the right$ of the victim$.
 
2013-02-26 01:28:31 AM  

libranoelrose: rhiannon: UNC_Samurai: rhiannon: Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.

Earnhardt died because he made a right turn.

Earnhardt died because he made a wrong turn.

Earnhardt died because he stopped pumping oxygen to his brain.


Earnhardt died because he was born. Thus completes the circle of life.
 
2013-02-26 04:16:39 PM  

SpaceBison: libranoelrose: rhiannon: UNC_Samurai: rhiannon: Eufah Kennidiets: Earnhardt died because he farked with his seatbelt.

Earnhardt died because he broke his neck.

Earnhardt died because he made a right turn.

Earnhardt died because he made a wrong turn.

Earnhardt died because he stopped pumping oxygen to his brain.

Earnhardt died because he was born. Thus completes the circle of life.


Touche
 
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