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(Yahoo)   Player wows scouts at the NFL combine by running a 4.71 in the 40. Which doesn't seem all that fast until you realize he's a 305lb O-lineman   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line 58
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2013-02-24 11:27:32 AM  
It's amazing what the human body can do when its hopped up on HGH.
 
2013-02-24 12:18:35 PM  
What surprises me is that a farking combine is both telecast and watched.
 
2013-02-24 01:29:08 PM  
Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant
 
2013-02-24 01:33:27 PM  
Wonder what would happen if they converted him to a defensive end?  Could be interesting...and painful for quarterbacks.
 
2013-02-24 01:37:45 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant


Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.
 
2013-02-24 01:39:32 PM  
Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.
 
2013-02-24 01:40:02 PM  

FLMountainMan: Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant

Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.


Not only working out, but working out with experts who have vast knowledge of muscle structure & recovery, diet, etc.  The amount of expertise, time, and money poured into each of these kids is incredible...plus their overall commitment to doing whatever it takes to "make it" to the NFL.
 
2013-02-24 01:51:20 PM  

Fade2black: Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.


Isn't the 40 yard dash an indication of how fast you can get down the field for a punt or kickoff?  (i.e., why they choose 40 yards rather than 50 or 100)  Do 300 lb. linemen make many special teams tackles?

/more interested in how fast he is in the 2 yard dash
 
2013-02-24 01:53:01 PM  
4.71?

Speed Score is pretty good for a running back.  (200*weight) / (40-time)^4 = 123.95
 
2013-02-24 01:58:15 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Fade2black: Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.

Isn't the 40 yard dash an indication of how fast you can get down the field for a punt or kickoff?  (i.e., why they choose 40 yards rather than 50 or 100)  Do 300 lb. linemen make many special teams tackles?

/more interested in how fast he is in the 2 yard dash


iat can be an indication of how well he can pull out and be a lead blocker on a toss or screen pass
 
2013-02-24 01:59:18 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's amazing what the human body can do when its hopped up on HGH.


O and D linemen have been cracking the 4 barrier for a long time. This should really surprise anybody who has been paying attention.
 
2013-02-24 02:04:59 PM  
Convert that man to fullback, holy shiat he'd kill someone.
 
2013-02-24 02:07:15 PM  
I'm curious how fast he moves through the dong forest though, or any drill where an assistant coach smacks you as you run past.  I knew a few guys on my high school team that had some good straight line but where top heavy and prone to tipping over if so much as an ankle was brushed.  They were fine in their stance and with their feet planted and fighting, but get them in motion and not so good.
 
2013-02-24 02:10:16 PM  

FLMountainMan: Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant

Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.


You clearly don't know 00.
 
2013-02-24 02:21:07 PM  
Since the guy whose record he beat has become such an NFL sensation, I'm sure this projects to a great NFL career.

/Speed ain't everything
 
2013-02-24 02:23:39 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

It's hypnotic...
 
2013-02-24 02:27:30 PM  
Because straight-ahead speed is so important when your job is to stay in front of someone?
 
2013-02-24 02:30:39 PM  

Donnchadha: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 425x283]

It's hypnotic...




"The Springfield Files" reference?
 
2013-02-24 02:32:24 PM  
oi45.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-24 02:37:21 PM  
Offensive lineman are a different breed.  You have to be smart .. athletic .. fast feet .. probably one of the hardest positions to play.  I know there is QB or WR or RB .. but when you bring it down to the core .. without a good O-line you can't go any where.  Why do you think all QB's thank the fat shiats infront of them .. becuase the know if those guys weren't good at what they do .. they would be in the hospital.

D-Line .. i think you got a few more juicers and shiat .. cause its basically .. go kill the QB .. or plug a hole .. with O-line there is a certain finesse .. certain intelligence needed.

Does help my brother was a college lineman 6'4" 330lbs ran a 4.9 40 .. its insane to see a big man like that move so quickly.
 
2013-02-24 02:38:19 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Fade2black: Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.

Isn't the 40 yard dash an indication of how fast you can get down the field for a punt or kickoff?  (i.e., why they choose 40 yards rather than 50 or 100)  Do 300 lb. linemen make many special teams tackles?

/more interested in how fast he is in the 2 yard dash


They should start posting the splits (5 yard, 10 yard, 20 yard) along with the 40 times.

Additionally, I'm more interested in seeing times run in full pads, and from their more natural poses. For example, a receiver isn't going to run a route starting in a track position, so why not make it so they're in a formation type position starting out? Does it really matter if a guy runs a 4.35 vs. a 4.45 in track speed if the latter guy gets off the line of scrimmage and into his routes a lot quicker? I know the NFL people look at that stuff more closely and guys have their individual drills they do, but it's just strange how much hype the 40 yard dash gets publicly.
 
2013-02-24 02:43:55 PM  
This year, those NFL guys got a real treat, as Arkansas-Pine Bluff tackle Terron Armstead set a recent combine record with an unofficial 4.65 40-yard dash.

Oh, a recent record? So not a record at all?
 
2013-02-24 02:44:33 PM  

zooyorkfreak: Offensive lineman are a different breed.  You have to be smart .. athletic .. fast feet .. probably one of the hardest positions to play.  I know there is QB or WR or RB .. but when you bring it down to the core .. without a good O-line you can't go any where.  Why do you think all QB's thank the fat shiats infront of them .. becuase the know if those guys weren't good at what they do .. they would be in the hospital.

D-Line .. i think you got a few more juicers and shiat .. cause its basically .. go kill the QB .. or plug a hole .. with O-line there is a certain finesse .. certain intelligence needed.

Does help my brother was a college lineman 6'4" 330lbs ran a 4.9 40 .. its insane to see a big man like that move so quickly.


As a Chargers fan, I know this all too well...
 
2013-02-24 02:45:49 PM  
That's fast for someone anyone's size, although I suppose any play designed for an offensive lineman to run 40 yards is probably ill-conceived
 
2013-02-24 02:52:32 PM  
Too bad the Chiefs are already comitted to Leon Sandcastle.
 
2013-02-24 02:55:41 PM  

Fade2black: Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.


Years ago I watched Joe Jacoby, one of the "Hogs" on the Washington Redskins legendary offensive line, chase after a cornerback (I think) who had intercepted a pass and was running along the sideline.  The cornerback had the choice of running out of bounds or getting turned into a pancake.

I guess when the cornerback saw the sun slowly being blotted out by a huge shadow over his shoulder, he decided that running out of bounds was the correct decision for the team and, more importantly, for the continuation of his playing career.
 
2013-02-24 02:58:15 PM  
And people say cycling is the dirty sport. If the NFL had to follow WADA rules the meltdown within a month would be epic. Of course, the NFL would never ever ever let itself get put under WADA rules.
 
2013-02-24 03:00:34 PM  

morlinge: That's fast for someone anyone's size, although I suppose any play designed for an offensive lineman to run 40 yards is probably ill-conceived


The best linemen have to be able to 'pull' on certain plays to get outside to provide blocking for players who are really fast and somtimes have to block up field as well .. speed is somewhat of the criteria.

SubBass49: zooyorkfreak: Offensive lineman are a different breed.  You have to be smart .. athletic .. fast feet .. probably one of the hardest positions to play.  I know there is QB or WR or RB .. but when you bring it down to the core .. without a good O-line you can't go any where.  Why do you think all QB's thank the fat shiats infront of them .. becuase the know if those guys weren't good at what they do .. they would be in the hospital.

D-Line .. i think you got a few more juicers and shiat .. cause its basically .. go kill the QB .. or plug a hole .. with O-line there is a certain finesse .. certain intelligence needed.

Does help my brother was a college lineman 6'4" 330lbs ran a 4.9 40 .. its insane to see a big man like that move so quickly.

As a Chargers fan, I know this all too well...


Honestly .. you guys had a great O-line during the LT years .. what has happened since then .. mind-boggling.
 
2013-02-24 03:03:15 PM  
Wouldn't a better combine test for O-linemen be hand speed playing patty-cake ?
 
2013-02-24 03:15:37 PM  
Great. Now make him a D-lineman.

/it's a tragic waste of freakish speed/size to put him on the o-line
//yes, one still wants quickness from one's o-line...
 
2013-02-24 03:17:34 PM  

zooyorkfreak: The best linemen have to be able to 'pull' on certain plays to get outside to provide blocking for players who are really fast and somtimes have to block up field as well .. speed is somewhat of the criteria.


it is a line from a Tv show called Sportsnight.
 
2013-02-24 03:22:32 PM  

morlinge: zooyorkfreak: The best linemen have to be able to 'pull' on certain plays to get outside to provide blocking for players who are really fast and somtimes have to block up field as well .. speed is somewhat of the criteria.

it is a line from a Tv show called Sportsnight.


hahaha... ok ok.  Never watched it ..
 
2013-02-24 04:48:04 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's amazing what the human body can do when its hopped up on HGH.


I was going to suggest someone set up a buffet table on the opposite end of the combine, but you just HAD to be all hipster and trendy with your deer antler velvet and HGH.
 
2013-02-24 05:06:55 PM  

SubBass49: FLMountainMan: Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant

Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.

Not only working out, but working out with experts who have vast knowledge of muscle structure & recovery, diet, etc.  The amount of expertise, time, and money poured into each of these kids is incredible...plus their overall commitment to doing whatever it takes to "make it" to the NFL.


Yeah, it doesn't matter how good your trainers and experts are, the human body can only do so much. If you think these guys are natural, I have a bridge to sell you.

I laugh hard when some athlete/celebrity adds 20 lb of muscle in a few months and everyone just says "THEY HAD A PERSONAL TRAINER!! ITS NATURAL!". PEDs are ridiculously common in almost all sports, particularly NFL.
 
2013-02-24 05:19:03 PM  

skrame: This year, those NFL guys got a real treat, as Arkansas-Pine Bluff tackle Terron Armstead set a recent combine record with an unofficial 4.65 40-yard dash.

Oh, a recent record? So not a record at all?


Wait, how can he set a record if the time is unofficial?
 
2013-02-24 05:20:31 PM  

Arkanaut: skrame: This year, those NFL guys got a real treat, as Arkansas-Pine Bluff tackle Terron Armstead set a recent combine record with an unofficial 4.65 40-yard dash.

Oh, a recent record? So not a record at all?

Wait, how can he set a record if the time is unofficial?


This is the next sentence: "His official time, announced later, was 4.71, but this still exceeded the previous mark since 2006 of 4.84, set by Allen Barbre in 2007
 
2013-02-24 05:22:38 PM  

machoprogrammer: SubBass49: FLMountainMan: Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant

Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.

Not only working out, but working out with experts who have vast knowledge of muscle structure & recovery, diet, etc.  The amount of expertise, time, and money poured into each of these kids is incredible...plus their overall commitment to doing whatever it takes to "make it" to the NFL.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how good your trainers and experts are, the human body can only do so much. If you think these guys are natural, I have a bridge to sell you.

I laugh hard when some athlete/celebrity adds 20 lb of muscle in a few months and everyone just says "THEY HAD A PERSONAL TRAINER!! ITS NATURAL!". PEDs are ridiculously common in almost all sports, particularly NFL.


I'll argue with you on most days, but this guy is more suspicious than a suicide after a large life insurance kicked in
 
2013-02-24 05:26:56 PM  
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2013-02-24 06:19:06 PM  

VvonderJesus: AliceBToklasLives: Fade2black: Because when I think of a 305 lb Offensive Lineman, I wonder how fast he can run down the field to catch a ball.

Isn't the 40 yard dash an indication of how fast you can get down the field for a punt or kickoff?  (i.e., why they choose 40 yards rather than 50 or 100)  Do 300 lb. linemen make many special teams tackles?

/more interested in how fast he is in the 2 yard dash

iat can be an indication of how well he can pull out and be a lead blocker on a toss or screen pass


At the snap of the ball he will reverse pivot, face the sideline, sprint for 40 yards, and end up in the stands?
 
2013-02-24 06:25:33 PM  
You know, I wonder... if someone who's 300-350 lbs can run a 4.7 40... if they slimmed down to say, 200lbs and kept working out at the same pace... how fast could those guys run without all the extra weight?

Just makes ya wonder...
 
2013-02-24 06:51:55 PM  

unyon: What surprises me is that a farking combine is both telecast and watched.


Considering what we're subjected to here in the US (read: reality TV), watching the scouting combine is more tolerable.
 
2013-02-24 06:54:35 PM  

unyon: What surprises me is that a farking combine is both telecast and watched.


And will get numbers that some MLB post-season series would kill for.
 
2013-02-24 07:28:23 PM  
Wow, there sure is a huge lack of knowledge about the human body and sports in this thread. Even more than normal for Fark.  Don't let that stop you from posting all these "facts" though!
 
2013-02-24 07:29:11 PM  

machoprogrammer: SubBass49: FLMountainMan: Lost Thought 00: Totally natural ability, and certainly not a drugged up mutant

Think of all the hours you spend in front of a computer screen.  Now spend that working out.  Even without superior genes, you'd see quite the improvement.

Not only working out, but working out with experts who have vast knowledge of muscle structure & recovery, diet, etc.  The amount of expertise, time, and money poured into each of these kids is incredible...plus their overall commitment to doing whatever it takes to "make it" to the NFL.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how good your trainers and experts are, the human body can only do so much. If you think these guys are natural, I have a bridge to sell you.

I laugh hard when some athlete/celebrity adds 20 lb of muscle in a few months and everyone just says "THEY HAD A PERSONAL TRAINER!! ITS NATURAL!". PEDs are ridiculously common in almost all sports, particularly NFL.


There are variants in the human body though.  If you study genetics, you'll know why certain African nations tend to produce the most insanely gifted long-distance runners on the planet.  There's a genetic mutation/variant that enables it.  There are other variants that manifest a propensity towards rheumatoid arthritis.  It's the roulette wheel of genetics & life...some people win, some lose.

Our nation is very good at finding out who the most gifted athletes are, supporting & relentlessly training them for the first 22 odd year of their lives, and then throwing them onto a field to entertain us.  The most committed can do amazing things, even without banned substances.
 
2013-02-24 07:39:22 PM  

WTF Indeed: It's amazing what the human body can do when its hopped up on HGH.


I came here to say this. He was obviously doping.
 
2013-02-24 07:52:20 PM  

SubBass49: If you study genetics, you'll know why certain African nations tend to produce the most insanely gifted long-distance runners on the planet.  There's a genetic mutation/variant that enables it.


What I was referring to
 
2013-02-24 08:05:32 PM  

SubBass49: There are variants in the human body though. If you study genetics, you'll know why certain African nations tend to produce the most insanely gifted long-distance runners on the planet. There's a genetic mutation/variant that enables it. There are other variants that manifest a propensity towards rheumatoid arthritis. It's the roulette wheel of genetics & life...some people win, some lose.

Our nation is very good at finding out who the most gifted athletes are, supporting & relentlessly training them for the first 22 odd year of their lives, and then throwing them onto a field to entertain us. The most committed can do amazing things, even without banned substances.


That is true, but there is a huge difference between long distance runner genetics and being 305 lb and running a 4.71 40. Hell, even 20 years ago, you'd rarely see guys 305 lb in general. Better genetics? Unlikely. Better training/nutrition? A little. Designer steroids? Most likely.
 
2013-02-24 08:27:41 PM  
Give the wookiee the ball.
 
2013-02-24 08:31:54 PM  

oukewldave: Wow, there sure is a huge lack of knowledge about the human body and sports in this thread. Even more than normal for Fark.  Don't let that stop you from posting all these "facts" though!


Are you getting a kick?
 
2013-02-24 08:37:56 PM  

The Snow Dog: Give the wookiee the ball.


The other team would have to let him win then, or else they get their arms pulled out of their sockets
 
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