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(Spiegel)   Pirate Party imploding from internal bickering, fighting, antagonizing each other like a bunch of drunken pirates. "We're the party of liquid democrazy"   (spiegel.de) divider line 24
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2013-02-24 11:53:36 AM  
"On Twitter I'm a militarist and a sexist," Schlömer says. "You're exposed to extremely hurtful things and you get very little reassurance. You're constantly bombarded with below-the-belt criticism, most of it anonymous."

Ah, he begins to see the problem.

Politics is a game of compromise.

Anonymous internet discussion tend to bring out the worst in some people which is not conducive to achieving compromise.

I've always rather likened it to some people who are perfectly fine and reasonable people IRL who become lead footed, abusive shiat-disturbers when they get behind a wheel of a car.

The Pirate Party have gone adrift and the wind has gone out of their sails.

Too bad I was hoping they might actually accomplish something.
 
2013-02-24 03:04:27 PM  
Liquid Democracy?

"Why's the rum gone?"
 
2013-02-24 03:09:24 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Liquid Democracy?

"Why's the rum gone?"


There's only so far that a political party with the motto "Rum, sodomy and the lash" can go

or was that the British Navy?

/or the Pogues
 
2013-02-24 03:21:37 PM  

quatchi: "On Twitter I'm a militarist and a sexist," Schlömer says. "You're exposed to extremely hurtful things and you get very little reassurance. You're constantly bombarded with below-the-belt criticism, most of it anonymous."

Ah, he begins to see the problem.

Politics is a game of compromise.

Anonymous internet discussion tend to bring out the worst in some people which is not conducive to achieving compromise.

I've always rather likened it to some people who are perfectly fine and reasonable people IRL who become lead footed, abusive shiat-disturbers when they get behind a wheel of a car.

The Pirate Party have gone adrift and the wind has gone out of their sails.

Too bad I was hoping they might actually accomplish something.


Its just what the Euro-RIAA has been hoping might happen. Let the pirates and internet-activists eat themselves over trivial issues while they quietly pass more anti-piracy laws and lock them up one at a time. I'm sure the U.S. RIAA is taking notice.
 
2013-02-24 03:23:58 PM  
In this age of information, it's the trolls and shiatposters who have the power. They dilute and distort any discussion into name-calling and partisan bickering.

/whats that? They're talking about repealing the Patriot Act again? Let's see what they think of feminism, abortion and gun rights!
 
2013-02-24 03:32:56 PM  
FTA:"I pictured politics differently, as more harmonious," he says. "I'm not out to get power. I have no mandate, no salary. I'm also willing to eventually step down. And still people accuse me of being power-hungry and of not listening to the party's base." Actually, Schlömer says, he's the first party chair to introduce open office hours, from 9 to 10 p.m. each Monday."

This is the same reason the Occupy Movement failed as a long term political movement (that and people thinking the camps were the solution). The open democracy they had let individual members block (ie, Filibuster) a whole meeting. More often than not a productive discussion on a tangible action (supporting local unions in a demonstration, making a march to a political relevant location) was blocked by some raving fringe person who said the lack of inclusion of their small group in an unrelated discussion made the populist liberals worse than  the bastard love-child of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.

If someone could find a way for the internet to have decorum they would be the most worth recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize ever.
 
2013-02-24 03:34:24 PM  

BudTheSpud: In this age of information, it's the trolls and shiatposters who have the power. They dilute and distort any discussion into name-calling and partisan bickering.

/whats that? They're talking about repealing the Patriot Act again? Let's see what they think of feminism, abortion and gun rights!


Wait, what does the Tea Party have to do with German politics?
 
2013-02-24 03:36:50 PM  
A pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants. The bartender says, "Sir, are you aware you have a steering wheel sticking out of your pants?" and the pirate replies, "Aarr, it's driving me nuts."
 
2013-02-24 03:41:02 PM  
CSB: I was actually at a Swiss Pirate Party meeting today. Richard Stallman (and some other interesting though slightly less-internationally-well-known speakers like Birgitta Jónsdóttir, a member of parliament in Iceland and also the spokeswoman for the International Modern Media Institute in Iceland) gave some interesting talks.

Alas, he left before I could arrange to get my PGP key signed by him. Oh well.

Ms. Jónsdóttir had some rather useful recommendations for activist groups: its difficult to change anything from outside "the system", particularly if people that make up the system has certain motives for opposing you (e.g. campaign donations from industry). If you're inside the system without any experience as to how things work then you'll get utterly slaughtered by political machinations. This results in the group getting marginalized, not unlike the Green Party in many countries.

Geeks make pretty decent activists but not very good politicians: real-world politics is a pain. It appears the Germans are figuring this out. Hopefully they're able to recover -- the world really does need significant reform to cope with the internet and modern communications.
 
2013-02-24 04:12:30 PM  
A political party disintegrating because of internal conflict? Arrrrr! (with a capital R)
 
2013-02-24 04:46:07 PM  
Gawd - it's worse than a WoW guild.
 
2013-02-24 05:10:59 PM  

Ed Willy: If someone could find a way for the internet to have decorum they would be the most worth recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize ever.


God, you are such a square. Why don't you go be subjugated to your oil-drilling buddies somewhere else?

/remember the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory?
 
2013-02-24 05:34:33 PM  
"Fake Pirate Party falls apart." Meanwhile, in Sweden, government seeks to outlaw real Pirate Party.
 
2013-02-24 06:01:43 PM  

quickdraw: Gawd - it's worse than a WoW guild.


slashlol!

Sounds like Schlomer is getting ready to ragequit.

Slashgquit FTW!

/flex.
/rawr
/silly


Why are people so fascinated by Pirates?

I dunno... they just arrrrrrrrr! ^_^
 
2013-02-24 08:12:42 PM  
Reminds me of the German Pogo Party.
 
2013-02-24 09:41:39 PM  
satwcomic.com

The Sparkle Party is still going strong.

http://satwcomic.com/

/Great webcomic
 
2013-02-24 11:55:27 PM  
Ponader is also a Brony. So yeah, that could explain it.
 
2013-02-25 01:33:34 AM  

themindiswatching: Ed Willy: If someone could find a way for the internet to have decorum they would be the most worth recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize ever.

God, you are such a square. Why don't you go be subjugated to your oil-drilling buddies somewhere else?

/remember the Greater Internet Farkwad Theory?


That comment, that ad hominem right there: That is why you will fail. Because you can't take legitimate criticism and use to to constructively change your tactics while still pursuing your goals and values.
 
mhd
2013-02-25 04:25:22 AM  
Who'd thunk that "moar torrents" isn't enough to base a political party on and you can't mad-lib the rest of the party program in what amounts to a few fark threads?
 
2013-02-25 08:47:29 AM  
I'd really like to vote for them ( I have once when they were first founded ), but over the past few years, they just proved to be unelectable after winning some seats in the government of various states. Uncoordinated bunch of messy twunts. Having the leader be on state cheese, not being able to put your phone down for a minute and almost all look like they just raided a red cross clothing collection. I mean, Jesus Christ, I have seen better dressed/groomed beggars.

I'd really have loved to have another choice. That they got seats in the government was proof enough that there is demand for their (very few) key issues.
 
2013-02-25 09:48:54 AM  

quatchi: Gawd - it's worse than a WoW guild.


Funnily, it probably is mostly an actuall WoW guild.
 
2013-02-25 10:34:07 AM  

skullkrusher: MithrandirBooga: Liquid Democracy?

"Why's the rum gone?"

There's only so far that a political party with the motto "Rum, sodomy and the lash" can go

or was that the British Navy?

/or the Pogues


Macgowan '16
 
2013-02-25 01:21:51 PM  

Johnny_Whistle: skullkrusher: MithrandirBooga: Liquid Democracy?

"Why's the rum gone?"

There's only so far that a political party with the motto "Rum, sodomy and the lash" can go

or was that the British Navy?

/or the Pogues

Macgowan '16


you predicting his long overdue demise?
 
2013-02-25 06:19:58 PM  

Ed Willy: This is the same reason the Occupy Movement failed as a long term political movement (that and people thinking the camps were the solution). The open democracy they had let individual members block (ie, Filibuster) a whole meeting. More often than not a productive discussion on a tangible action (supporting local unions in a demonstration, making a march to a political relevant location) was blocked by some raving fringe person who said the lack of inclusion of their small group in an unrelated discussion made the populist liberals worse than  the bastard love-child of Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin.


And it's the same reason that the Tea Party is imploding right now.

It's called Populism and it comes in waves of enthusiasm that, invariably, crash on the rocky shores of pragmatism.

Real political alliances are much,  much harder to put together, but they can last a hell of a lot longer.
 
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