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2013-02-24 09:16:55 AM
Scott Adams said it best:

"The Evolution of Idiots - I blame sex and paper for most of our current problems. Here's my logic: Only one person in a million is smart enough to invent a printing press. So, when society consisted of only a few hundred apelike people living in caves, the odds of one of them being a genius was fairly low. But people kept having sex, wand with the every moron added to the population, the odds of a deviant smarty-pants slipping through the genetic net got higher and higher. When you've got several million people running around having sex all willy-nilly the odds are fairly good that some pregnant ape-mom is going to squat in a field someday and pinch out a printing-press making deviant. Once we had printing presses, we were pretty much doomed. Because then, every time a new smart deviant came up with a good idea, it would get written down and shared. Every good idea could be built upon. Civilization exploded. Technology was born. The complexity of life increased geometrically. Everything got bigger and better. Except our brains. All the technology that surrounds us, all the management theories, the economic models that predict and guide our behavior, the science that helps us live to 80 - it's all created by a tiny percentage of deviant smart people. The rest of us are treading water as fast as we can. The world is too complex for us. Evolution didn't keep up. Thanks to the printing press, the deviant smart people managed to capture their genius and communicate it without having to pass it on genetically. Evolution was short-circuited. We got knowledge and technology before we got intelligence. We're a planet of nearly 6 billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants. "
 
2013-02-24 09:20:09 AM
DDD.  Up over 200% in a year, (and splits tomorrow).

Bubble, or train you're not on?
 
2013-02-24 09:39:32 AM
Because I have absolutely no use for one?
 
2013-02-24 09:50:21 AM

Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?


Not yet, but you'll need it to print the next generation of printers, which take waste matter and reconstitute it to form food. Hungry? No food in the house? Don't worry, there's a couple of unpaid bill demand letters, and an old sock you want to throw away. Stick it in the machine, select "pizza" and wait as it re-orients the atoms and molecules and builds you a hot, but probably quite small, pizza.

I wonder if that will ever be possible in a home environment... I hope so. I also hope QA doesn't read this post. Something tells me he isn't keen on 3d printing.
 
2013-02-24 11:41:31 AM
Because there aren't enough sound studios in Burbank?
 
2013-02-24 12:34:20 PM
I really don't have room for a Saturn V on my desk.
 
2013-02-24 01:07:20 PM
Cause everybody would be able to print assault weapons
 
2013-02-24 01:19:44 PM
Give me the budget NASA spent on Apollo and I probably could put a 3D printer in every home.  What's your point?
 
2013-02-24 01:27:21 PM
We can't put a man on the moon.  The Orion project can't make it to the Moon, and nothing else currently existing comes close.
 
2013-02-24 01:40:25 PM

Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?


i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-24 03:17:15 PM
In every room? Because god knows what the cat or your elderly mother will print off.
 
2013-02-24 03:28:39 PM
I'd rather have a CNC milling machine before a 3D printer.

3D printing is not practical for anything yet, and will remain so for long decades.
 
2013-02-24 03:30:50 PM

GAT_00: We can't put a man on the moon.  The Orion project can't make it to the Moon, and nothing else currently existing comes close.


Not only can't we put a man on the moon (and haven't been able to for quite some time), we can't even get someone into LEO and onto the ISS anymore. We have to bum rides from Russia or China or where ever. We traded in those abilities for the ability for an 80 year old man to regrow his hair and have an erection.
 
2013-02-24 03:37:44 PM

Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?


Screw that I'm downloading a car.
 
2013-02-24 03:39:27 PM

DigitalCoffee: GAT_00: We can't put a man on the moon.  The Orion project can't make it to the Moon, and nothing else currently existing comes close.

Not only can't we put a man on the moon (and haven't been able to for quite some time), we can't even get someone into LEO and onto the ISS anymore. We have to bum rides from Russia or China or where ever. We traded in those abilities for the ability for an 80 year old man to regrow his hair and have an erection.


And Bob Dole and Joe Biden are extremely happy about that.
 
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2013-02-24 03:47:32 PM
Maybe because everyone has all the worthless plastic disposable crap that they need want can use have room for.
 
2013-02-24 03:48:46 PM
 
2013-02-24 03:52:21 PM
I'm going to 3D print out a bookmark amd wait for Quandong Catastrophe to show up.
 
2013-02-24 04:00:08 PM

Warlordtrooper: Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?

Screw that I'm downloading a car.


But those ads promised me you wouldn't!!
 
2013-02-24 04:00:12 PM
www.nps.gov
The inventor of the vacuum approves.
 
2013-02-24 04:02:24 PM

acanuck: Scott Adams said it best:

"The Evolution of Idiots ... We got knowledge and technology before we got intelligence. We're a planet of nearly 6 billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants. "


And that's where genetic and technological modification of intelligence comes in.  Those few thousand amazingly smart deviants will eventually create the technology to catch our intelligence back up to our technological advancement.  We've already shown memory and intelligence enhancements with brain implants in mice, this stuff isn't science fiction anymore.  People really need to stop laughing when they hear about robots, AI and genetic engineering, it's coming soon.

That of course brings with it innumerable other pitfalls and slippery slopes, but the fact that our technology makes it easier and easier to kill ourselves means we're going to need to hyper-inflate our intelligence before we wipe ourselves out with it.
 
2013-02-24 04:06:02 PM
This is an innovative and amazing opportunity for everyman to work against planned obsolescence. It's only a matter of time before the large corporations use DMCA to prevent replicating replacement parts.
 
2013-02-24 04:07:20 PM

Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?


This. It's a cool idea but the vast majority of people have no need for one. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how to use it.
 
2013-02-24 04:10:22 PM

traylor: I'd rather have a CNC milling machine before a 3D printer.

3D printing is not practical for anything yet, and will remain so for long decades.


My business has a 3-axis CNC mill...a 3D printer is on the short list. And for $400, how can I go wrong?
 
2013-02-24 04:12:39 PM

Iplaybass: Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?

This. It's a cool idea but the vast majority of people have no need for one. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how to use it.


People get all excited until the learn they have to fairly well master a CAD program and then a CAM program to make anything with it.

/uses SW and BobCAD/M
//fairly high on the learning curve
 
2013-02-24 04:12:58 PM

Iplaybass: This. It's a cool idea but the vast majority of people have no need for one. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how to use it.


Even though I know how to use one, I don't see myself needing to print out lots of solid, single material, one piece parts of things anytime soon. All of the replacement parts I'd actually need to fix things around the house would need to be made of metal.
 
2013-02-24 04:18:50 PM
They're pretty cool, but for now, what would you need one for at home? They're really only good for creating 3D models or parts for more complicated models. Excellent for doing complicated design work or modifying existing devices, but it's not like you could print yourself a useful tool, say a screwdriver. Well, you could, but it wouldn't last that long given the materials it uses.
 
2013-02-24 04:20:34 PM

traylor: I'd rather have a CNC milling machine before a 3D printer.

3D printing is not practical for anything yet, and will remain so for long decades


Additive manufacturing solves a different class of problem than subtractive manufacturing. As for "not practical", it's exceedingly practical for one-off production, especially when you look at the laser sintering machines. I have an FDM machine, and you're right- it's not really practical for anything. I'd get better build quality if I loaded it up with PLA instead of ABS, but I'd still be printing cheap plastic parts.

Iplaybass: Even if they did, they wouldn't know how to use it.


They wouldn't, but the mass market companies that want to sell them shiat would. Imagine if Apple and Disney formed an unholy merger. They could build a supply-chain directly into your house. Your brat watches the latest episode of Hanna Montana on Apple's iBox, and decides they absolutely have to have some branded HM merchandise. They check out in the Apple store, the iBox downloads a set of 3D models, and fifteen minutes later, they've got cheap plastic crap. This is so much better for Disney than shipping it from China- they've gotten  you to pay for the raw material, the electricity, and the time.

If you don't think there's a business model there, you're a sucker. Now, 3D printing  isn't technologically at that level... yet. But I built my 3D printer two years ago. The printers out there today blow it away on both price and build quality. A desktop stereolithographic machine was a fantasy back then. Now it's about $1K.

And that's before we look at the serious shiat, like laser sintering. That's not going to happen in the home (the home  workshop maybe, but high energy lasers are dangerous tools). NASA is already producing certain classes of single-use items this way, because it provides finer control and higher build quality than conventional manufacturing.

The real issue is this: people who don't understand manufacturing think 3D printers are magic boxes where 3D models go in, and anything you like comes out. They don't work that way. They're just another manufacturing tool.
 
2013-02-24 04:21:59 PM
I'm a pooping in my 3D printer materials well.  I want pizza.
 
2013-02-24 04:29:00 PM
You could use 3D printer to print out 3D printer.
 
2013-02-24 04:33:02 PM
Because patents. To a lesser extent, the fact that the items produced are of Chinese factory seconds quality.
 
2013-02-24 04:39:32 PM

traylor: I'd rather have a CNC milling machine before a 3D printer.

3D printing is not practical for anything yet, and will remain so for long decades.


How many years are in a long decade?
 
2013-02-24 04:43:34 PM
I wanna pirate a bunch of old toys with a 3D printer.

In particular, Kenner's old Real Ghostbusters line. Pain to get ahold of now.
 
2013-02-24 04:47:37 PM

fjnorton: Cause everybody would be able to print assault weapons


You could do that with a CNC milling machine. Hell, you don't even need that, just a large enough workshop; and yet we aren't drowning in a sea of homemade guns. So thanks, fjnorton; for showing everyone that you have no idea what goes into making a firearm.
 
2013-02-24 04:51:09 PM

Iplaybass: Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?

This. It's a cool idea but the vast majority of people have no need for one. Even if they did, they wouldn't know how to use it.


That's probably what computer scientists said when they scoffed at the idea of a home computer that your average person could use. Yes, the tech is still in it's infancy, but this really could be a common place appliance someday. It has to start somewhere.
 
2013-02-24 04:53:16 PM

albuquerquehalsey: fjnorton: Cause everybody would be able to print assault weapons

You could do that with a CNC milling machine. Hell, you don't even need that, just a large enough workshop; and yet we aren't drowning in a sea of homemade guns. So thanks, fjnorton; for showing everyone that you have no idea what goes into making a firearm.


I know what goes into it:  My dad makes them.  He's made several from scratch.  It's not that hard, especially if you want a functional but crude gun.  I could make one, and all I have is hand tools and hands that are all thumbs.
 
2013-02-24 04:54:21 PM

WhackingDay: They're pretty cool, but for now, what would you need one for at home?



Printing out copies of Angelina Jolie's ass.


... it wouldn't last that long given the materials it uses.


Neither would I.
 
2013-02-24 05:02:08 PM

dittybopper: albuquerquehalsey: fjnorton: Cause everybody would be able to print assault weapons

You could do that with a CNC milling machine. Hell, you don't even need that, just a large enough workshop; and yet we aren't drowning in a sea of homemade guns. So thanks, fjnorton; for showing everyone that you have no idea what goes into making a firearm.

I know what goes into it:  My dad makes them.  He's made several from scratch.  It's not that hard, especially if you want a functional but crude gun.  I could make one, and all I have is hand tools and hands that are all thumbs.


Mythbusters demonstrates the basic concepts of a rifle almost every episode. I imagine anyone who's managed to make anything on a lathe could have a pretty good go at making a reliable safe musket.

/Loved the bleeping over Kari's nitrocellulose recipe.
 
2013-02-24 05:13:01 PM

dehehn: acanuck: Scott Adams said it best:

"The Evolution of Idiots ... We got knowledge and technology before we got intelligence. We're a planet of nearly 6 billion ninnies living in a civilization that was designed by a few thousand amazingly smart deviants. "

And that's where genetic and technological modification of intelligence comes in.  Those few thousand amazingly smart deviants will eventually create the technology to catch our intelligence back up to our technological advancement.  We've already shown memory and intelligence enhancements with brain implants in mice, this stuff isn't science fiction anymore.  People really need to stop laughing when they hear about robots, AI and genetic engineering, it's coming soon.

That of course brings with it innumerable other pitfalls and slippery slopes, but the fact that our technology makes it easier and easier to kill ourselves means we're going to need to hyper-inflate our intelligence before we wipe ourselves out with it.


In reality, the average Paleolithic human was a lot smarter than the average human today. Your very survival depended on it, and intelligence was probably chosen through sexual selection.
 
2013-02-24 05:33:32 PM
print out a Fark mod.
 
2013-02-24 05:37:54 PM
I've been seeing an awful lot of these 3D printer links lately.  Is someone just trying to drive a certain Quantum insane?
 
2013-02-24 05:38:03 PM

SomethingToDo: Mythbusters demonstrates the basic concepts of a rifle almost every episode. I imagine anyone who's managed to make anything on a lathe could have a pretty good go at making a reliable safe musket.


All you really need is a tube with one end closed, a projectile, a propellant, and some way to ignite the propellant.

You can buy steel tubing pretty cheaply, and you can even get end caps threaded for them.

Guns are a 600 year old technology.
 
2013-02-24 05:39:51 PM

Harry_Seldon: In reality, the average Paleolithic human was a lot smarter than the average human today.


Guess I'm not average:

i56.tinypic.com

i45.tinypic.com

Some of my handiwork.

/I'm smarter than you.
 
2013-02-24 05:41:10 PM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-24 05:43:25 PM

Harry_Seldon: In reality, the average Paleolithic human was a lot smarter than the average human today.


There's really no evidence to support that. Based on physiology, since we have no written records to go on, Paleolithic humans and modern humans probably have about the same intelligence. This is what you'd expect, since evolution is a very slow process.
 
2013-02-24 06:20:42 PM
Am I missing something with this idea about these being the biggest thing ever?  I mean, they basically make plastic molds. The article talks about people making replacement caps for their shampoo bottles like it's some kind of life-altering experience.

It's cool and all, but I sort of feel like the ability to make low-grade plastic crap out of your home is not going to be as staggeringly awesome as it's being made out to be.
 
2013-02-24 06:22:11 PM

GAT_00: We can't put a man on the moon.  The Orion project can't make it to the Moon, and nothing else currently existing comes close.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Kinda sad this show didn't get picked up. Using a Chemical Brothers song during the firing of the nuke drive FTW. Wish I could find the clip.
 
2013-02-24 06:31:19 PM
Print a new keychain trinket for every new day.
 
2013-02-24 06:35:47 PM

bukketmaster: Am I missing something with this idea about these being the biggest thing ever? I mean, they basically make plastic molds.


The expensive ones can print metal, glass, ceramic, etc. Take a look at http://shapeways.com sometime, you can design stuff and they print it.

Me, I'd settle for one that can print in chocolate.
 
2013-02-24 06:41:16 PM

Slaxl: Vodka Zombie: Because I have absolutely no use for one?

Not yet, but you'll need it to print the next generation of printers, which take waste matter and reconstitute it to form food. Hungry? No food in the house? Don't worry, there's a couple of unpaid bill demand letters, and an old sock you want to throw away. Stick it in the machine, select "pizza" and wait as it re-orients the atoms and molecules and builds you a hot, but probably quite small, pizza.

I wonder if that will ever be possible in a home environment... I hope so. I also hope QA doesn't read this post. Something tells me he isn't keen on 3d printing.


I'm not keen on the kind of delusion drivel like you posted. 25 years ago we were all supposed to have nanotechnological assemblers in every home. Now we just call finely ground powder "nano". Yay. Fifteen years ago we were all supposed to wear 3D goggles and all live in cyberspace. Now we are supposed to have this magical device in every home that's just like a Star Trek replicator.

The common thread here is that engineering and manufacturing are pretty mature and very complex fields of study that don't lend themselves well to vast improvements anymore. We've looked into it already.

The 3D printer you are looking for is called an "urban garden". You compost your organic waste, shovel it into the garden and plant seeds.

Biology is several orders of magnitude ahead of us in "3D printing". Self-assembling, self-replicating perpetual patterns encoded in matter, driven by sunlight, called "seeds".

It's a lot less glamorous than that leaky 50$ Yoda coffee cup you just "made" with your 1500$ glue gun, but there you have my position on the whole 3D printing mass delusion.
 
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