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(The Verge)   Old and busted: 6" smart phones. New derpness: 8" smart phones   (theverge.com) divider line 57
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2013-02-25 08:37:38 AM

digistil: Z-clipped: Yeah, I mean who would want to spend money on a single device that does everything well

This is the biggest salesmen speak being pushed at the moment. In reality, the phablet (6"-7") does everything with mediocrity; and the 8" is basically a device for people to mass consume digital goods. Their biggest champions are those that wouldn't utilize a smart or a tablet. It's the Dodge Nitro of gadgets, which is to say there's nothing wrong with it... but it's not a 4x4 nor is it an economy car nor is it a people carrier.


Like I said, as someone who's been using one of these types of device intensely for over a year, I don't know how you can possibly come to that conclusion.  It does everything I need it to, which is quite a lot, most of which wouldn't be possible with a smaller screen.  There's nothing a larger tablet does better, unless you're considering multiple people viewing the output.  7-8" held in portrait also turns out to be the sweet spot for typing on a touchscreen without putting it flat on a table (for my hands anyway).  Smartphones feel too cramped, and anything bigger feels like an awkward reach for my thumbs.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion.  I'm just saying that, as someone who relies on something like this every day, your opinion just doesn't jibe with reality as I experience it.  I get an enormous amount of functionality out of my device that wouldn't be possible (or at least  convenient) in any other form factor, and it's 3 years old and an operating system behind the field.  Maybe it helps that I'm not a sheep who gets uncomfortable at the idea of people seeing me hold a large device up to my face if I need to make a call without a headset.  Anyone who feels that way should certainly stick with their iPhone.  I want ONE mobile device that does everything I need, instead of a bunch of lifestyle toys.  My GTab happens to be it.  The only reason I'm looking at buying something new is that it's WiFi only, and when I get back to the States, I'm not going to be using the MiFi hotspot that I'm using now.
 
2013-02-25 11:24:44 AM
I'm glad to hear that many of you are happy with your Note 2's. I'm looking to upgrade with Verizon in a few months and am eyeing the 2--especially since prices have dropped with the Note 3 coming soon. (Although the Note 3 might be enough of an upgrade to spring for as well).
 
2013-02-25 12:28:33 PM
About the only thing I despise about my Note 1 is the clipping of low-level audio output. Try listening to soft passages, particularly at a low volume, and the audio cuts in and out irritatingly. This affects wired and speaker output, but not Bluetooth.

Does the Note 2 do this?
 
2013-02-25 12:41:50 PM

dbirchall: kab: dbirchall: The word you're after is "compensating."

Yes, compensating.    Because attempting to enjoy media on a screen the size of a business card is just so farking awesome.

I can't imagine what you think of people who own TV's larger than 20".

But I don't think of them.*

I have a smartphone, and I have a HDTV larger than 20".  The smartphone is far more portable, and much better at telephony, apps, and other stuff, and the TV is much better at displaying video in a big pretty way.  Although I was delighted when phones started converge with pocket cameras (I had a Nokia 3650 - the first camera phone available in the US), and when they converged with PDAs (I had a Palm Treo 600), those devices were all similar in size anyway.  I don't feel a huge need for my phone to morphologically converge with my HDTV.

I've been watching movies on 8-inch screens for years.  It's called "seatback video in economy class."  If that screen size is the next big thing to you, enjoy.

/*obscure?


The first camera phone launched in the US was made by Sanyo, and there were plenty of camera phones here by the time the 3650 came out.
 
2013-02-25 12:58:41 PM

Z-clipped: Like I said, as someone who's been using one of these types of device intensely for over a year, I don't know how you can possibly come to that conclusion.


Listen to music, changing at will, while walking the streets.

Z-clipped: There's nothing a larger tablet does better


Except for everything related to drawing, which is why you select a tablet over an ultralight Ultrabook. If you're typing/writing notes on a tablet, you're doing it wrong. Unless the difference of 16 oz is a factor, which is understandable... then of course select 10" tablet; anything less will have a screen too small for ink, yet will offer virtually no additional mobility.

Z-clipped: Smartphones feel too cramped


For their purpose of music, photography, texting and making phone calls? All while actually fitting into virtually every type of clothing you'll wear. How??

Z-clipped: It does everything I need it to


I have no doubt it does everything you want it to, which was my point... that there's nothing wrong with a phablet, but the idea that it's as capable as a smart phone or a full size tablet is disingenuous or naive. It's simply comparing a Chicago Cutlery to MAC knife.
 
2013-02-25 07:28:27 PM

digistil: Z-clipped: Like I said, as someone who's been using one of these types of device intensely for over a year, I don't know how you can possibly come to that conclusion.

Listen to music, changing at will, while walking the streets.


OK...My BT headset changes tracks for me at the touch of a button. If you're walking down the street looking at your phone, you're one of the people I want to murder on a daily basis.

Z-clipped: There's nothing a larger tablet does better

Except for everything related to drawing, which is why you select a tablet over an ultralight Ultrabook. If you're typing/writing notes on a tablet, you're doing it wrong. Unless the difference of 16 oz is a factor, which is understandable... then of course select 10" tablet; anything less will have a screen too small for ink, yet will offer virtually no additional mobility.


What?  Drawing is your killer app?  I didn't realize there were enormous numbers of artists buying 10" tablets to draw on them.  Also, I could be wrong, but I believe that the Note has one of the best screens for fine writing on the market.  I'm doing it wrong?  For something "wrong", taking notes works incredibly well for me.  I'm getting the feeling that you're talking about a subject you have no real experience with.  How do you hold a 10" tablet securely in one hand and draw on it with the other?

Z-clipped: Smartphones feel too cramped

For their purpose of music, photography, texting and making phone calls? All while actually fitting into virtually every type of clothing you'll wear. How??


Yeah, I get it.  It fits in your front pocket.  Fine. Like I said, I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice that particular convenience in favor of a screen that's actually useful for basically anything involving the internet: reading text, reading books, pictures, video, posting on Fark, etc.   The entire point of a smartphone is that it has internet access, and yet your ability to USE the internet on a smartphone is severely limited by the screen size.  All of these things you're listing about smartphones are erroneous assumptions based on size.  There is NOTHING a smartphone does any better or differently, EXCEPT fit in your front pocket.

Z-clipped: It does everything I need it to

I have no doubt it does everything you want it to, which was my point... that there's nothing wrong with a phablet, but the idea that it's as capable as a smart phone or a full size tablet is disingenuous or naive. It's simply comparing a Chicago Cutlery to MAC knife.

You're imagining that its form factor makes it less capable, but in my practical experience, the intersection of functions it's optimal for is greater than either of the other two sizes of device.
 
2013-02-25 07:36:08 PM

theflatline: The first camera phone launched in the US was made by Sanyo, and there were plenty of camera phones here by the time the 3650 came out.


Interesting!  I had read on Wikipedia that the 3600/3650 was the first phone with an integrated camera (there were plenty of camera phones with attachable cameras, though) in the US. Their citation links to a review on Mobiledia, but I couldn't find anything in the review that made that claim.  I did some digging, and although the details of the 3650 "leaked" on September 6, 2002 and it was "announced" a couple weeks later, it apparently didn't reach the US until early 2003.  Meanwhile, Sprint announced the Sanyo 5300 on October 15, 2002, but shipped it the next month.

Wikipedia has been edited to read "the first phone with an integrated camera announced for the North American market."  Thanks for the correction!
 
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