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(The Verge)   Old and busted: 6" smart phones. New derpness: 8" smart phones   (theverge.com) divider line 57
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2013-02-24 11:19:22 AM  
How is this a fail?
 
2013-02-24 12:16:44 PM  
Well, it's a mini tablet that happens to have an app that can make calls. I don't see the fail either. I would probably never buy one, but meh.
 
2013-02-24 12:45:25 PM  
That is for a tablet, submitter. Fail on your part.
 
2013-02-24 01:57:35 PM  

Mentat: How is this a fail?


www.mp4nation.net
 
2013-02-24 02:04:30 PM  
I'm holding out for a Max-iPad.
 
2013-02-24 02:32:11 PM  
Again, this is a tablet. For what it matters it seems that 4.6-4.7 inch screens seem to be the sweet spot. My galaxy nexus is 4.65 and I wouldn't want a screen any larger.
 
2013-02-24 02:36:57 PM  

"We spent some brief time with the Note 8.0, and for the most part, performance was pretty good. "


Can't stand reviews based on spending 20 minutes with a device. How much can you really see except the most basic things?

 
2013-02-24 02:37:55 PM  
I was (and probably still am) interested, but no Android 4.2???  I'm practically a Samsung fanboi!!1 but that's damned near a dealbreaker.
 
2013-02-24 02:42:43 PM  
Stop calling people with device screen sizes that I don't like.
 
2013-02-24 02:43:41 PM  
I'm still not used to my 4.7" Moto Razr Maxx HD.   Not as wide as the Samsung S3, but still wider than my tried & true Blackberry.   Just wish Blackberry didn't drop the ball so badly that they couldn't have released a new phone by the time my old BB crapped itself.
 
2013-02-24 03:25:08 PM  
So your saying that my Galaxy Tab 7 Plus that I got for $325 (refurb) makes me look like a dork when I make a phone call? Great, now nobody is going to buy it when I get rid of it.
 
2013-02-24 03:29:45 PM  
People still make phone calls?
 
2013-02-24 03:29:51 PM  
That's not a phone, you nitwit.
 
2013-02-24 03:36:42 PM  
This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.
 
2013-02-24 03:57:29 PM  

frozenhotchocolate: Again, this is a tablet. For what it matters it seems that 4.6-4.7 inch screens seem to be the sweet spot. My galaxy nexus is 4.65 and I wouldn't want a screen any larger.


Are you a normal sized person?  I have the Note II and I frequently get "that's a HUGE phone" from people.  I usually ask those people to take out their phone and lay it in their open hand.  It's usually about the same scale as the Note is in mine.  I also have a giant head, so the phone looks normal when I make calls.  Thing is, using it as a phone is probably less than 10% of what I do with it.  And I usually use the speaker phone when I do that (which is the best I've ever had in a cellphone, by the way) the rest of the time I use it as a portable data device and mostly communicate with people over various apps.

/6'3"
//really big head
///seriously, it's like Sputnik
 
2013-02-24 04:24:31 PM  
That's a tablet retardmitter.
 
2013-02-24 04:25:54 PM  

MrEricSir: This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.


It's not a phablet.
 
2013-02-24 04:40:54 PM  
Penis.
 
2013-02-24 04:42:51 PM  
timujin: [...]  /6'3"
//really big head
///seriously, it's like Sputnik


Now that was offside, wasn't it? He'll be crying himself to sleep tonight, on his huge pillow.
3.bp.blogspot.com
May!  Shut it!
 
2013-02-24 04:46:55 PM  

timujin: frozenhotchocolate: Again, this is a tablet. For what it matters it seems that 4.6-4.7 inch screens seem to be the sweet spot. My galaxy nexus is 4.65 and I wouldn't want a screen any larger.

Are you a normal sized person?  I have the Note II and I frequently get "that's a HUGE phone" from people.  I usually ask those people to take out their phone and lay it in their open hand.  It's usually about the same scale as the Note is in mine.  I also have a giant head, so the phone looks normal when I make calls.  Thing is, using it as a phone is probably less than 10% of what I do with it.  And I usually use the speaker phone when I do that (which is the best I've ever had in a cellphone, by the way) the rest of the time I use it as a portable data device and mostly communicate with people over various apps.

/6'3"
//really big head
///seriously, it's like Sputnik


Same height here and I have a Galaxy Nexus, about the same size as the Galaxy S3. When I first got it a lot of people commented on its size as well and I discovered the same thing. For me the phone is basically a perfect size.
 
2013-02-24 05:06:01 PM  
I have a Note 2 as well. Size is fine to me. Haters gonna hate.
 
2013-02-24 05:08:01 PM  

skinink: "We spent some brief time with the Note 8.0, and for the most part, performance was pretty good. "

Can't stand reviews based on spending 20 minutes with a device. How much can you really see except the most basic things?


That first sentence may be the most ambiguous and least useful "review" of a product I've ever seen. There aren't 20 words there, but they had to use three qualifiers. Also, it's terribly written- you spent "brief time", as in, "time you should have spent reading a brief"?

Did you mean "a short time"? "our time with the thing was brief"? "we only used it briefly?" Gah. Lazy crappy writing like this gets paid to be published, and I could write better in high school.

/now "brief" looks weird
 
2013-02-24 05:23:19 PM  
Well using it as a phone is probably a bit dumb and I can't see it being comfortable to hold in that position for any length of time.  However that doesn't mean a paired BT headset and the thing in your bag wouldn't be just peach though.
 
2013-02-24 05:54:31 PM  

skinink: "We spent some brief time with the Note 8.0, and for the most part, performance was pretty good. "
Can't stand reviews based on spending 20 minutes with a device. How much can you really see except the most basic things?


I read it as: in the short time we got to fondle the device, it did not make us loathe and despise the creators.

20 minutes with the PS3 store makes me want to hunt down and sodomize to death the creators. It's slow, bloated, buggy, and impossible to find anything without the specific name, and categories are blandly non-informative 'PSN games!', which is...90% of the content.
 
2013-02-24 06:25:49 PM  
The word you're after is "compensating."
 
2013-02-24 06:26:45 PM  
I need a 27" phone.
 
2013-02-24 06:46:52 PM  
I think most people who are going to use it to make calls are going to be using a headset, or perhaps the speakerphone. I've talked to a few tablet owners who wished they could make calls with them, not by holding it up to their ear, but through bluetooth.
 
2013-02-24 07:48:13 PM  

MrEricSir: This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.


Why?  The Note 2 is awesome.
 
2013-02-24 08:19:37 PM  
Dear Penthouse: I used to think 3.5 inches was enough...
 
2013-02-24 08:33:16 PM  
Clearly we need neural implants.
 
2013-02-24 08:43:13 PM  
I have the original Galaxy Tab (7.?? inch screen) and though it kinda sucks for browsing the web, it absolutely rules for e-books.  The size is almost the same size as a paperback, making it feel more natural than reading on a full-size tablet. So yeah, I'd give this one a try.
 
2013-02-24 09:09:06 PM  
I've actually been looking forward to this tablet for awhile.  I'm very jealous of my wife's Note 2.  She can actually write notes (and I don't mean one inch tall letters made with your finger).  I use notebooks a lot, jotting information down and drawing diagrams.  I'd much rather have much less paper lying around.
 
kab
2013-02-24 09:36:36 PM  

MrEricSir: This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.


The hardware can stay.  But people who say that phrase should be kicked in the crotch repeatedly.
 
kab
2013-02-24 09:39:27 PM  

dbirchall: The word you're after is "compensating."


Yes, compensating.    Because attempting to enjoy media on a screen the size of a business card is just so farking awesome.

I can't imagine what you think of people who own TV's larger than 20".

/yes, your favorite mobile device sucks.
//really... it does.
 
2013-02-24 10:36:05 PM  
I take back what I said. This is a phone. WTF.
 
2013-02-24 10:48:05 PM  

kab: dbirchall: The word you're after is "compensating."

Yes, compensating.    Because attempting to enjoy media on a screen the size of a business card is just so farking awesome.

I can't imagine what you think of people who own TV's larger than 20".

/yes, your favorite mobile device sucks.
//really... it does.


It's a widespread idiocy, rampant in our society, equated with a supposed common wisdom that those who desire large or ostentatious objects are subconsciously compensating for their sexual equipment or lack thereof.  I used to get infuriated at these nonsensical ejaculations and the wannabe psychologists who espoused them, but over the years I've just grown... used to it.  Now, I see it as nothing more than the mark of someone who has absolutely nothing of value to add to the conversation, but have a pitiable need to be seen as somehow greater than another group and therefore throw this runty idea into the ring, hoping and praying to be recognized as one of the intelligentsia.

Foolishness.
 
2013-02-24 11:06:03 PM  

kab: dbirchall: The word you're after is "compensating."

Yes, compensating.    Because attempting to enjoy media on a screen the size of a business card is just so farking awesome.

I can't imagine what you think of people who own TV's larger than 20".


But I don't think of them.*

I have a smartphone, and I have a HDTV larger than 20".  The smartphone is far more portable, and much better at telephony, apps, and other stuff, and the TV is much better at displaying video in a big pretty way.  Although I was delighted when phones started converge with pocket cameras (I had a Nokia 3650 - the first camera phone available in the US), and when they converged with PDAs (I had a Palm Treo 600), those devices were all similar in size anyway.  I don't feel a huge need for my phone to morphologically converge with my HDTV.

I've been watching movies on 8-inch screens for years.  It's called "seatback video in economy class."  If that screen size is the next big thing to you, enjoy.

/*obscure?
 
2013-02-24 11:08:03 PM  

Vaneshi: Well using it as a phone is probably a bit dumb and I can't see it being comfortable to hold in that position for any length of time.  However that doesn't mean a paired BT headset and the thing in your bag wouldn't be just peach though.




Meetings, class, falling asleep watching a movie, in bed.
 
2013-02-24 11:59:02 PM  
I have an S3 the wife has the note.  I like the note but with my line of work (oilfield) can't fit the note into my coverall pockets.  the S3 is the perfect size with my ballistic case on it.  Made damn sure to get cases for both of them seeing as how a buddy of mine was working at a rig and leaned over the concrete pit and all i heard was "plop" and him cursing.  His brand new (at the time) iphone had fell out of his pocket into the full pit.  sunk like a rock.  made damn sure i got the case for this new one and it stays zipped up in my pocket.
 
2013-02-25 12:00:22 AM  

dbirchall: I don't feel a huge need for my phone to morphologically converge with my HDTV.


And that's why you're you and not the CEO of Samsung or Google.  Apple tried to pull their Mac stunt where they forced the user to conform to Apple's standards of size, shape, etc.  The Android crowd took a different route and expanded the ecology so that users could choose the device that they wanted and that fit their needs.  I, for example, can't stand using any device smaller than a Note 2 because it's impossible for my fingers to type on something that small and I also have the option of using the stylus if it suits me.  Diversity of choice is a good thing.
 
2013-02-25 12:38:50 AM  
pssssh, call me when a 32" phone comes out
 
2013-02-25 12:56:14 AM  
Note2 here... I like it. Prolly as large as I would go without switching to a bluetooth... maybe squeeze a 1/2" larger screen and spike the resolution. But then it's still gotta fit in the otter box...
 
2013-02-25 01:22:31 AM  
Why do you need to hold a phone to your face to use it?

Why not keep the phone in your pocket or if its tablet sized....in your bag until you need to use its screen functions to run apps etc....

All you really need is an easy to deploy blue tooth headset or earpiece (I say easy to deploy because wearing them all the time is sooooooo stupid looking) that lets you use the voice commands. I trust that voice command is going to get progressively better over time, but I already manage to make all of my calls with it.
 
2013-02-25 01:46:43 AM  
Dammit Samsung, I was all set to get a Note II when I got back to the States, and now you went and made my decision more difficult.

Shostie: Mentat: How is this a fail?

[www.mp4nation.net image 728x548]


We've pretty much figured out how to make phones and computers as small as we want.  Now that we're blurring the line of functionality between the two, it's time to let go of our 1980s miniaturization fetish, and actually consider what the optimal size for a mobile device is.  Because this looks just as stupid as your photo:

cdn.kickrunners.com

frozenhotchocolate: Again, this is a tablet. For what it matters it seems that 4.6-4.7 inch screens seem to be the sweet spot. My galaxy nexus is 4.65 and I wouldn't want a screen any larger.


If you're differentiating tablet from smartphone perhaps, but if you're looking to integrate all functions into one device, 7-8" is perfect.  I've been using my GTab 7.0+ as a catch-all device (including worldphone) for the last year, and I wouldn't want to go back to anything smaller.  I mean, why have something with a screen that's too small to watch movies, browse the internet, read books or take notes on?  If I want something that's only really useful for voice calls, why not just stick with a dumbphone?

With BT headsets being so good now, the only reason to go small is to fit it in the front pocket of your jeans, instead of the back pocket or the inside pocket of your jacket.  And I usually carry a small messenger bag with me when I go out anyway.  Honestly, tiny little iPhones are for well-dressed women.  I've never really understood the reason for having internet access on something with a screen the size of a business card.  Seems like a waste of money.

MrEricSir: This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.


Yeah, I mean who would want to spend money on a single device that does everything well, when they could spend 2 or 3 times as much and carry around multiple slates that all do essentially the same thing?
 
2013-02-25 01:58:37 AM  

archichris: Why do you need to hold a phone to your face to use it?

Why not keep the phone in your pocket or if its tablet sized....in your bag until you need to use its screen functions to run apps etc....

All you really need is an easy to deploy blue tooth headset or earpiece (I say easy to deploy because wearing them all the time is sooooooo stupid looking) that lets you use the voice commands. I trust that voice command is going to get progressively better over time, but I already manage to make all of my calls with it.


I listen to music a lot, so I use a set of stereo BT headphones that have a built-in mic, but I also have the tiniest little BT earbug...  It's so small, it doesn't even hook over your ear.  There's just a little rubber bud that is held in by friction. And it came with a light chain that it hooks onto so you can wear around your neck (under your shirt, even) when you're not using it.  It's not the best-functioning headset, but the form factor is amazing.

Oh, here it is:

www.goodpricechopper.info
 
2013-02-25 02:00:48 AM  

Mentat: How is this a fail?


Bingo! thank you! those damn phones are so small it hurts my arm at the elbow to hold the damn thing in place. i hate that. and i'm not going to wear a bleutoot in my ear, I'm not a Star Trek weenie.
 
2013-02-25 02:07:24 AM  

Z-clipped: Dammit Samsung, I was all set to get a Note II when I got back to the States, and now you went and made my decision more difficult.

Shostie: Mentat: How is this a fail?

[www.mp4nation.net image 728x548]

We've pretty much figured out how to make phones and computers as small as we want.  Now that we're blurring the line of functionality between the two, it's time to let go of our 1980s miniaturization fetish, and actually consider what the optimal size for a mobile device is.  Because this looks just as stupid as your photo:



frozenhotchocolate: Again, this is a tablet. For what it matters it seems that 4.6-4.7 inch screens seem to be the sweet spot. My galaxy nexus is 4.65 and I wouldn't want a screen any larger.

If you're differentiating tablet from smartphone perhaps, but if you're looking to integrate all functions into one device, 7-8" is perfect.  I've been using my GTab 7.0+ as a catch-all device (including worldphone) for the last year, and I wouldn't want to go back to anything smaller.  I mean, why have something with a screen that's too small to watch movies, browse the internet, read books or take notes on?  If I want something that's only really useful for voice calls, why not just stick with a dumbphone?

With BT headsets being so good now, the only reason to go small is to fit it in the front pocket of your jeans, instead of the back pocket or the inside pocket of your jacket.  And I usually carry a small messenger bag with me when I go out anyway.  Honestly, tiny little iPhones are for well-dressed women.  I've never really understood the reason for having internet access on something with a screen the size of a business card.  Seems like a waste of money.

MrEricSir: This "phablet" trend needs to die, already.

Yeah, I mean who would want to spend money on a single device that does everything well, when they could spend 2 or 3 times as much and carry around multiple slates that all do essentially the same thing?


To his each own I suppose. If I'm really gonna sit down for two hours and watch a movie I'd rather it be in front of a TV. Viewing YouTube and even TV shows works just fine. While the GNex is getting old it still is full HD and running 4.2.2. My phone is much larger than an iPhone.
 
2013-02-25 02:35:03 AM  

frozenhotchocolate: To his each own I suppose.


Exactly.

frozenhotchocolate: If I'm really gonna sit down for two hours and watch a movie I'd rather it be in front of a TV. Viewing YouTube and even TV shows works just fine. While the GNex is getting old it still is full HD and running 4.2.2. My phone is much larger than an iPhone.


Fair enough.  Being an old guy back in school at the moment, I find myself "not home" but with large time gaps to fill fairly frequently, so having entertainment to break up my study time is crucial.  The fact that all of my textbooks, notes, papers, etc. are on my GTab means not having to carry around almost anything in my bag.  I'd probably want the same options if I were a train commuter, but I can see the video/ebook applications being less useful if you have a 9-5 that you drive to, and spend most of your time at home.  I still don't see the functionality of something as small as an iPhone, though.  It's like reading the newspaper through a jeweler's loupe.
 
2013-02-25 05:02:14 AM  

Mentat: How is this a fail?


It's too big to put in your pocket and too small to do serious work. If your only requirement is watching YouTube via the cellular network, then it's probably fine, and you are willing to wear a backpack to carry the thing, then perhaps it is slightly less than [fail].
 
2013-02-25 05:38:03 AM  

Z-clipped: Yeah, I mean who would want to spend money on a single device that does everything well


This is the biggest salesmen speak being pushed at the moment. In reality, the phablet (6"-7") does everything with mediocrity; and the 8" is basically a device for people to mass consume digital goods. Their biggest champions are those that wouldn't utilize a smart or a tablet. It's the Dodge Nitro of gadgets, which is to say there's nothing wrong with it... but it's not a 4x4 nor is it an economy car nor is it a people carrier.
 
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