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2013-02-24 08:19:53 AM
www.fleen.com
SOON
 
2013-02-24 08:20:43 AM
As a guy who did his doctoral research on this subject I have to say I'm really getting a kick...

/ The reason that we're going to have robots in combat is because robots don't have parents that vote.
 
2013-02-24 08:25:31 AM
So say we all.
 
2013-02-24 08:29:45 AM

zetar: As a guy who did his doctoral research on this subject I have to say I'm really getting a kick...

/ The reason that we're going to have robots in combat is because robots don't have parents that vote.


Yet.
 
2013-02-24 08:31:20 AM
What's the big deal? Just pop a portal underneath it.
 
2013-02-24 08:32:19 AM
bostonherald.com
 
2013-02-24 08:33:46 AM
I don't know what it's like to live in a constant state of fear of anything and everything new, but it must be unpleasant.
 
2013-02-24 08:41:19 AM
awalkabout.files.wordpress.com Number 5 is ALIVE!
 
2013-02-24 08:44:02 AM
 
2013-02-24 08:46:27 AM
Approves:

i2.listal.com
 
2013-02-24 08:47:25 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: Wellon Dowd: So say we all.

Here's an early-stage prototype. DoD says they're not quite sure the chassis is going in the direction they wanted, conceptually. (NSFW)


Here's a prototype from a few years ago.  The chassis in this is most certainly going in a direction approved by the rank-and-file.
 
2013-02-24 08:51:28 AM
They're smarter now. That's how they get into our bunker.
 
2013-02-24 08:51:40 AM
Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

s20.postimage.org
 
2013-02-24 08:54:40 AM
Sharkey insists he is not anti-war but deeply concerned about how quickly science is moving ahead of the presumptions underlying the Geneva convention and the international laws of war.

He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?
I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?
 
2013-02-24 08:55:17 AM
Considering the most effective use of drone technology is not fully in place of, but to compliment the meat soldiers that are going to be out there.  The idea of fully autonomous killing machines, as if they are somehow fully separate from all other potential drone applications, is ridiculous.  Hell, some of the best ideas for application of drones (as the bugs are worked out) are on the logistical side of things, support side of things.  Search and Rescue with powerful search algorithms, camera packages, and more are different than hunter-killer systems... how?  Oh, right, bolting a few missiles to the side.

These things are coming.  Banning them is as idiotic as being terrified of cars because they're dangerous.  Of course they're dangerous!  So are sharp sticks and rocks.  Better to manage and understand and guide rather than shove away entirely.
 
2013-02-24 08:57:32 AM
Ask the people of Eminiar 7 if it is a good idea to automate warfare.
 
2013-02-24 09:00:26 AM
If they looked like this, I'll bet there would be a lot more public support:
andrewblog1.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-24 09:01:05 AM
I'm thinking less terminator more "Second Variety" type of mishaps.
 
2013-02-24 09:01:45 AM

Cinaed: These things are coming. Banning them is as idiotic as being terrified of cars because they're dangerous. Of course they're dangerous! So are sharp sticks and rocks. Better to manage and understand and guide rather than shove away entirely.


Which is why we've learned to manage chemical and biological warfare between nations we have biological and chemical non-proliferation treaties.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-24 09:02:00 AM

No Catchy Nickname: He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?


thinkprogress.org

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Best advice, run away and do not return - it'll only leave you pissed off and addicted.
 
2013-02-24 09:04:00 AM

No Catchy Nickname: Sharkey insists he is not anti-war but deeply concerned about how quickly science is moving ahead of the presumptions underlying the Geneva convention and the international laws of war.

He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?
I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?


I think i found your problem.
 
2013-02-24 09:06:13 AM

Cinaed: Considering the most effective use of drone technology is not fully in place of, but to compliment the meat soldiers ...


Greeting: Hello, meatbag.
Compliment: Your presence is not particularly annoying today.
Query: Are you sure this is the best use of my capabilities?
 
2013-02-24 09:09:51 AM

Wellon Dowd: Ask the people of Eminiar 7 if it is a good idea to automate warfare.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-24 09:10:11 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Cinaed: Considering the most effective use of drone technology is not fully in place of, but to compliment the meat soldiers ...

Greeting: Hello, meatbag.
Compliment: Your presence is not particularly annoying today.
Query: Are you sure this is the best use of my capabilities?


Best. Robot. EVAR!
 
2013-02-24 09:18:32 AM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Cinaed: Considering the most effective use of drone technology is not fully in place of, but to compliment the meat soldiers ...

Greeting: Hello, meatbag.
Compliment: Your presence is not particularly annoying today.
Query: Are you sure this is the best use of my capabilities?


Angry comeback: Bite my shiny metal ass!
 
2013-02-24 09:18:41 AM
The farms of Aerolon are burning. The beaches of Canceron are burning. The plains of Leonis are burning. The jungles of Scorpia are burning. The pastures of Tauron are burning. The harbors of Picon are burning. The cities of Caprica are burning. The oceans of Aquaria are burning. The courthouses of Libran are burning. The forests of Virgon are burning. The Colonies of Man lie trampled at our feet.
 
2013-02-24 09:21:51 AM

gadian: The farms of Aerolon are burning. The beaches of Canceron are burning. The plains of Leonis are burning. The jungles of Scorpia are burning. The pastures of Tauron are burning. The harbors of Picon are burning. The cities of Caprica are burning. The oceans of Aquaria are burning. The courthouses of Libran are burning. The forests of Virgon are burning. The Colonies of Man lie trampled at our feet.


And you STILL can't find a decent root-beer anywhere.
 
2013-02-24 09:29:10 AM
 
2013-02-24 09:31:45 AM

No Catchy Nickname: I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?


To varying degrees you can be in favor of using force to achieve goals.
...But just because you're ok with conflict doesn't mean you're ok with using any means at hand.

War should always hurt, or we might start to enjoy it.

/When a politician is dropping bombs left right and center rather than negotiate then you could say he is indeed pro-war.
/I think we're approaching the point of war becoming so expedient and easy in the US that its no longerrecognized as war.
/That's kind of dangerous.
 
2013-02-24 09:34:35 AM
I'm all over this one!

unbored.co.uk
 
2013-02-24 09:36:26 AM

Karac: Seth'n'Spectrum: Wellon Dowd: So say we all.

Here's an early-stage prototype. DoD says they're not quite sure the chassis is going in the direction they wanted, conceptually. (NSFW)

Here's a prototype from a few years ago.  The chassis in this is most certainly going in a direction approved by the rank-and-file.


I had entirely forgotten how stupid that movie was. Thanks.
 
2013-02-24 09:37:30 AM

Seth'n'Spectrum: Karac: Seth'n'Spectrum: Wellon Dowd: So say we all.

Here's an early-stage prototype. DoD says they're not quite sure the chassis is going in the direction they wanted, conceptually. (NSFW)

Here's a prototype from a few years ago.  The chassis in this is most certainly going in a direction approved by the rank-and-file.

I had entirely forgotten how stupid that movie was. Thanks.


I never watched that one.. that's cringeworthy.
 
2013-02-24 09:40:29 AM
The picture of the terminator robot is what made me take this article seriously.
 
2013-02-24 09:43:10 AM
If old people would just lock up their medicine, none of this would be a problem.
 
2013-02-24 09:50:03 AM
Fracking toasters.
 
2013-02-24 09:52:45 AM
Curiosity killed the humans.
 
2013-02-24 09:53:30 AM

Karac: No Catchy Nickname: He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?

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Best advice, run away and do not return - it'll only leave you pissed off and addicted.


Funny you say that, as right after I posted I realised that it probably was actually the first time I had ever posted in a politics tab-only thread.
And yes, I was thinking along the same lines as you with the picture you posted ;-P
 
2013-02-24 09:55:23 AM

No Catchy Nickname: Sharkey insists he is not anti-war but deeply concerned about how quickly science is moving ahead of the presumptions underlying the Geneva convention and the international laws of war.

He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?
I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?


there are moral hazards to saying a nation should never go to war.

cites include the Revolutionary, WWII, and Civil wars as references.

Also, why the fark  are we even discussing autonomous robots going to war? Has no one in the Pentagon SEEN a movie?
 
2013-02-24 09:59:16 AM

way south: No Catchy Nickname: I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?

To varying degrees you can be in favor of using force to achieve goals.
...But just because you're ok with conflict doesn't mean you're ok with using any means at hand.

War should always hurt, or we might start to enjoy it.

/When a politician is dropping bombs left right and center rather than negotiate then you could say he is indeed pro-war.
/I think we're approaching the point of war becoming so expedient and easy in the US that its no longerrecognized as war.
/That's kind of dangerous.


That was really the point behind the "adjustments necessary according to circumstance" part. Even so, if the same goals can be achieved without use of force, who would want to use force?
Of course, the time factor could be important; force might be predicted to produce a swifter outcome than diplomacy, say. Although we all know just how predictions of a swift end to conflict usually turn out.
 
2013-02-24 09:59:41 AM
And no one's posted anything about the Sentry Guns from Aliens, yet?

I need a couple of them for the squirrels that have taken over my pecan trees.
 
2013-02-24 10:04:47 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: No Catchy Nickname: Sharkey insists he is not anti-war but deeply concerned about how quickly science is moving ahead of the presumptions underlying the Geneva convention and the international laws of war.

He's not anti-war, so he's...errr, pro-war? There are people out there who are pro-war?
I thought the sane default setting was anti-war, with adjustments necessary according to circumstance?

there are moral hazards to saying a nation should never go to war.

cites include the Revolutionary, WWII, and Civil wars as references.

Also, why the fark  are we even discussing autonomous robots going to war? Has no one in the Pentagon SEEN a movie?


Hence my "adjustments necessary according to circumstance" comment.
There is a difference to being anti-war and saying that "we as a nation will never go to war.

With regard to the quote from the article, I was just being a bit snarky. I don't think the academic quoted meant to say he was pro-war, I think he wanted to say that he was not a total pacifist, that he recognised the potential need for war in certain situations (in other words, a pragmatist). The journalist just didn't phrase it very well.
At least, that was my reading of it
 
2013-02-24 10:06:21 AM

PacManDreaming: And no one's posted anything about the Sentry Guns from Aliens, yet?

I need a couple of them for the squirrels that have taken over my pecan trees.


Some one has already built them:   Project Sentry Gun

In fact, the technology is something like 10 years old now, at least for civilian paint ball/airsoft use.
 
2013-02-24 10:10:48 AM

dittybopper: Some one has already built them:   Project Sentry Gun

In fact, the technology is something like 10 years old now, at least for civilian paint ball/airsoft use.


Cool, now I need some in .22 cal. Then again, maybe the Airsoft pellets would discourage the tree rats.
 
2013-02-24 10:16:49 AM

PacManDreaming: dittybopper: Some one has already built them:   Project Sentry Gun

In fact, the technology is something like 10 years old now, at least for civilian paint ball/airsoft use.

Cool, now I need some in .22 cal. Then again, maybe the Airsoft pellets would discourage the tree rats.


I would use an airsoft machine gun.  Using an actual firearm might result in a visit from the local constabulary and/or the ATF.
 
2013-02-24 10:17:45 AM
Just make one of these and be done with it...

media.comicvine.com
 
2013-02-24 10:23:45 AM

dittybopper: I would use an airsoft machine gun. Using an actual firearm might result in a visit from the local constabulary and/or the ATF.


Yeah, and they'd probably be crying and whining about me living in a densely populated neighborhood, too. Always gotta be someone ruining my Squirrel War.
 
2013-02-24 10:28:53 AM

GoldSpider: If old people would just lock up their medicine, none of this would be a problem.


i373.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-24 10:29:18 AM
www.pygame.org

/helloo-o
 
2013-02-24 10:32:29 AM
What congress thinks it wants:

i.imgur.com

What congress will get because they fark everything up:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-24 10:34:43 AM
Our side gets robots, their side gets robots: We have big robot battles with no human casualties. Very cool.

Our side gets robots, their side doesn't: Massacres at the hands of unfeeling death-bots controlled by people thousands of miles away from the carnage. Not cool.

Are any of you named Rosenberg by any chance? We might need your help sometime soon.
 
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