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(Chron)   Hipsters vs. hundred year old church. Guess who's winning   (chron.com) divider line 78
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2013-02-24 07:39:43 AM
Noisy music at 11 pm. Sounds like a reasonable complaint.
 
2013-02-24 07:41:46 AM
(Sound: Church bells, lots of them, ringing.)
Man (Graham Chapman): I wish those bloody bells would stop.
Wife (Terry Jones): Oh, it's quite nice dear, it's Sunday, it's the church.
Man: What about us atheists? Why should we have to listen to that sectarian turmoil?
Wife: You're a lapsed atheist, dear.
Man: The principle's the same. Bleeding C of E. The Mohhamedans don't come 'round here wavin' bells at us! We don't get Buddhists playing bagpipes in our bathroom! Or Hindus harmonizing in the hall! The Shintoists don't come here shattering sheet glass in the shiathouse and shouting slogans...
Wife: All right, don't practice your alliteration on me.
Man: Anyway, when I get my membership card and blazer badge back from the League of Agnostics, I shall urge the executive to lodge a protest against that religious racket! Pass the butter knife!
Wife: WHAT??
Man: PASS THE BUTTER KNIFE!! (pause) THANK YOU! IF ONLY WE HAD SOME KIND OF MISSILE!
Wife: 'OLD ON, I'LL CLOSE THE WINDOW.
(Sound: Window closing, bells get faint, but are still there)
Man: If only we had some kind of missile, we could take the steam out of those bells.
Wife: Well, you could always use the number 14 to St. Joseph-the-somewhat-divine-on-the-hill ballistic missile. It's in the attic.
Man: What ballistic missile would this be, then?
(Sound of bells begins to get increasingly louder)
Wife: I made it for you, it's your birthday present!
Man: Just what I wanted, 'ow nice of you to remember, my pet. 'ERE!
Wife: WHAT?
Man: THOSE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER!
Wife: WHAT?
Man: THOSE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER!!
Wife: THE BELLS ARE GETTING LOUDER! OOOH, LOOK!
Man: WHAT?
Wife: THE CHURCH, IT.. ITS GETTING CLOSER! ITS COMING DOWN THE 'ILL!
Man: WHAT A LIBERTY!
Wife: ITS TURNING INTO OUR LANE!
Man: STRAIGHT THROUGH THE LIGHTS OF COURSE!
Wife: TYPICAL. WELL, YOU BETTER GO PUT IT OUT OF IT'S MISERY.
Man: WHERE'S THIS MISSILE, THEN?
Wife: IT'S IN THE ATTIC CUPBOARD. PRESS THE BUTTON MARKED 'CHURCH'!
Man: 'OW DO I AIM IT?
Wife: IT AUTOMATICALLY HOMES IN ON THE NEAREST PLACE OF WORSHIP!
Man: THAT'S ST. MARKS!
Wife: IT ISN'T NOW, LOOK!! OH, IT'S OPENING THE GATE.
Man: WHAT? USE THE MEGAPHONE!
Wife: IT'S OPENING THE GATE!!
Man: OPEN UP THE ATTIC CUPBOARD!!
Wife: I AM, HURRY UP, ITS TRAMPLING OVER THE AZALIAS!
(Sound of missle launch, explosion, bells stop)
Man: Did I 'it it?
Wife: Yes, right up the aisle.
Man: Well I've always said, There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not.
 
2013-02-24 07:44:15 AM
I don't see anything in this article about "hipsters." Does  subby think that hating on hipsters is an automatic green light?
 
2013-02-24 07:44:48 AM
They are building a new, more soundproof church, so I guess everybody wins... but what's a hipster?
 
2013-02-24 07:46:48 AM
Exactly where in this story do hipsters come in? All sounds like legitimate noise complaints.
 
2013-02-24 07:48:18 AM
Hmm... I wonder if defining some sort of guidelines for how close together buildings should be in certain types of areas, "zones" if you will, defined based on their uses would prevent a problem like this?

Nah, forget. It's a dumb idea.
 
2013-02-24 07:49:31 AM
If the neighbors came first, and the church recently altered their schedule, I'd say it's a valid complaint.

If the church has kept the same schedule since before these people moved in, their complaint should be just as invalid as the complaint of someone who buys a house next to a railroad track and tries to get that track decommissioned because the trains are too loud.
 
2013-02-24 07:51:13 AM
One of the neighbors should start blasting the Islamic call to prayer five times a day (or at least the appropriate time/s that corresponds with church services). I bet the noise complaints will be coming from an entirely different group after that.

/ya never know, the church may actually be a bit more polite about their own noise when the situation is reversed
 
2013-02-24 07:51:17 AM
I just built an overpriced McMansion 2 inches away from another overpriced McMansion in a cookie cutter neighborhood right next to a major airport. I can't believe how inconsiderate the airlines are being by flying in and out at all hours of the day. The city should move the airport somewhere else. I have rights, you know.
 
2013-02-24 07:58:04 AM
Other than that there were no hipsters, and the article said the church was around 60 years old, this headline was right on.
 
2013-02-24 07:59:01 AM

Macular Degenerate: I don't see anything in this article about "hipsters." Does  subby think that hating on hipsters is an automatic green light?


Apparently it is.
 
2013-02-24 08:01:04 AM
"Hipster" is the new "smoking hot."

Anyhoo, FTA:  "Usually it's the long-term residents who are disturbed by the changes - not the new people disturbed by the institutions," he said. "

This is the very nature of gentrification.  New people move in and complain away the things they don't like about the neighborhood, until it's all shiny and new and horrible.
 
2013-02-24 08:01:15 AM
Hipsters go to church?
 
2013-02-24 08:01:26 AM
now why would i ever...  STOP DOIN THIS?
 
2013-02-24 08:02:41 AM
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2013-02-24 08:09:42 AM
Nobody asked you to apologize for worshipping God, Rev. Butthurt.

Play Satanic death metal near his house at 11 PM...don't ask us to apologize for worshipping the dark prince! When we worship, we GET OUR FREAK ON.
 
2013-02-24 08:10:58 AM
I expected the newly-built homes to be fairly soundproof.
 
2013-02-24 08:11:29 AM

Zap_Rowsdower: Other than that there were no hipsters, and the article said the church was around 60 years old, this headline was right on.


Um, FTA "Mount Calvary Missionary Baptist Church has been a fixture on Herkimer Street in Houston's Heights for nearly a century"

" Johnson admits the current building - more than 60 years old "

The church has been there almost a century, the CURRENT building is about 60 years old.

Still not sure where the hipsters come in though.
 
2013-02-24 08:11:30 AM
Hipsters? More like yuppies. Moving next to a noise source and biatching about the noise is a classic yuppie move. There's a gun club a few miles away from me that's been around for 50+ years, and idiots built a residential neighborhood about 1/4 mile away. They biatched and moaned about the gun club for a while, but it's going nowhere.

Don't even get me started on the idiocy of railway quiet zones.
 
2013-02-24 08:13:41 AM
FFS that is House Buying 101...don't buy anything within several blocks of a church.  Churches never make good neighbors.
 
2013-02-24 08:17:03 AM
Guess who's winning

The white hipsters, as opposed to the black parishoners?

/obvious solution:
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2013-02-24 08:21:39 AM
Don't mess with my churches....

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2013-02-24 08:23:20 AM
some idiots move right next to a church then expect the church to stop doing what churches do?  goddamn people are selfish, clueless dipshiats.
 
2013-02-24 08:23:33 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Noisy music at 11 pm. Sounds like a reasonable complaint.


Over in one
 
2013-02-24 08:25:47 AM
I'd say that this is a reasonable complaint. Communities are about respect on both sides. The pastor seems like he is just using God as an excuse to be loud at 11pm at night. I do not think anyone who is complaining is complaining about him and his congregation.

Oh and subby, gentrification != hipsters.
 
2013-02-24 08:28:51 AM
"The most dramatic clash came on a Saturday morning last November. Concrete trucks with rumbling engines and churning tanks lined up before dawn on Herkimer to pour the foundation for the new church. Tension exploded. Officers showed up that day, too."

yeah, the residents can EABOD.  complaining about construction?  like the residents homes didn't cause the same disturbance when they were built?
 
2013-02-24 08:31:54 AM

BlippityBleep: some idiots move right next to a church then expect the church to stop doing what churches do?  goddamn people are selfish, clueless dipshiats.


I generally agree with you... except maybe they had different expectations about what "churches do."  Being a white kid from a white town, church is a quiet Sunday morning sort of thing.  There may be a rare midnight Mass or a quiet Wednesday night confirmation meeting, but churches are generally good neighbors.

If that's what you expect and instead you get some midnight Pentecostal soul concert every week... yeah I'd be upset.  Especially since if they're moving in from out of the area they probably didn't spend a lot of late nights at the house viewing it before they moved in.
 
2013-02-24 08:39:21 AM

XveryYpettyZ: BlippityBleep: some idiots move right next to a church then expect the church to stop doing what churches do?  goddamn people are selfish, clueless dipshiats.

I generally agree with you... except maybe they had different expectations about what "churches do."  Being a white kid from a white town, church is a quiet Sunday morning sort of thing.  There may be a rare midnight Mass or a quiet Wednesday night confirmation meeting, but churches are generally good neighbors.

If that's what you expect and instead you get some midnight Pentecostal soul concert every week... yeah I'd be upset.  Especially since if they're moving in from out of the area they probably didn't spend a lot of late nights at the house viewing it before they moved in.


they're doing their own self-inflicted punishment then for not doing adequate research before dropping a couple hundred thousand on a purchase.
 
2013-02-24 08:43:14 AM
The church was there first, train tracks etc etc.
 
2013-02-24 08:52:47 AM

Thunderboy: "Hipster" is the new "smoking hot."

Anyhoo, FTA:  "Usually it's the long-term residents who are disturbed by the changes - not the new people disturbed by the institutions," he said. "

This is the very nature of gentrification.  New people move in and complain away the things they don't like about the neighborhood, until it's all shiny and new and horrible.


Exactly.  My club rents out an old NASCAR racetrack and drag strip in NC, which has been in continuous use for 60 years. The land around the track is really cheap, and 3 years ago someone put up a campground right next to it.  Who would have guessed race cars were that loud?  Every Saturday night the owner of the campground calls the cops to complain.
 
2013-02-24 08:54:41 AM

BlippityBleep: XveryYpettyZ: BlippityBleep: some idiots move right next to a church then expect the church to stop doing what churches do?  goddamn people are selfish, clueless dipshiats.

I generally agree with you... except maybe they had different expectations about what "churches do."  Being a white kid from a white town, church is a quiet Sunday morning sort of thing.  There may be a rare midnight Mass or a quiet Wednesday night confirmation meeting, but churches are generally good neighbors.

If that's what you expect and instead you get some midnight Pentecostal soul concert every week... yeah I'd be upset.  Especially since if they're moving in from out of the area they probably didn't spend a lot of late nights at the house viewing it before they moved in.

they're doing their own self-inflicted punishment then for not doing adequate research before dropping a couple hundred thousand on a purchase.


So you pulled an all-nighter in your car outside of your house before you made an offer?

Didn't think so.
 
2013-02-24 08:55:17 AM
I understand that when you are new to a neighborhood you have to take what comes with it, but only as far as is reasonable. That "I was here first" thing does not give the original residents an excuse to be rude or violate local noise ordinances, though. I don't think I've ever lived anywhere that didn't have the "be quiet before 6am or after 10pm" rule about noise. Making a racket at 11pm because it's OK with their idea of the divine is just rude. I'm guessing that since they were sent a copy of the noise ordinance by city it's not ok to be noisy, rude neighbors according to the city, even if it's ok with their deity of choice.

On the other hand, this is also a great way to slip a tax in on that church. Noise ordinances in my area carry a fine. It increases with each offense. Start fining them. The city would fine the neighbors if they held a black metal concert in the garage at 11pm, and the church shouldn't get a pass on poor behavior either.
 
2013-02-24 08:55:45 AM

BlippityBleep: "The most dramatic clash came on a Saturday morning last November. Concrete trucks with rumbling engines and churning tanks lined up before dawn on Herkimer to pour the foundation for the new church. Tension exploded. Officers showed up that day, too."

yeah, the residents can EABOD.  complaining about construction?  like the residents homes didn't cause the same disturbance when they were built?


and not just random construction, construction to resolve the outstanding issue of noise by building a bigger more sound-proof church.  I'm also laughing at their house construction if a few construction vehicles idling near by is something they can hear from inside their house, no wonder they can hear the church music.
 
2013-02-24 09:00:45 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Noisy music at 11 pm. Sounds like a reasonable complaint.


Don't move in next to a concert hall and then biatch about the noise. Don't move next to a farm and then complain about the smell.

Church has been there for 100 years. It's not like they moved in overnight.
 
2013-02-24 09:01:56 AM

Dansker: They are building a new, more soundproof church, so I guess everybody wins... but what's a hipster?


Maybe it's a feference to a faction of neighbors who want the new church to have a hip roof instead of whatever it is going to have. Maybe there is also a faction of archers who want it to have an arch roof.
 
2013-02-24 09:06:56 AM

XveryYpettyZ: BlippityBleep: XveryYpettyZ: BlippityBleep: some idiots move right next to a church then expect the church to stop doing what churches do?  goddamn people are selfish, clueless dipshiats.

I generally agree with you... except maybe they had different expectations about what "churches do."  Being a white kid from a white town, church is a quiet Sunday morning sort of thing.  There may be a rare midnight Mass or a quiet Wednesday night confirmation meeting, but churches are generally good neighbors.

If that's what you expect and instead you get some midnight Pentecostal soul concert every week... yeah I'd be upset.  Especially since if they're moving in from out of the area they probably didn't spend a lot of late nights at the house viewing it before they moved in.

they're doing their own self-inflicted punishment then for not doing adequate research before dropping a couple hundred thousand on a purchase.

So you pulled an all-nighter in your car outside of your house before you made an offer?

Didn't think so.


no but you talk to the church during one of your visits stupid.
 
2013-02-24 09:07:07 AM
Charlie Sheen?
 
2013-02-24 09:09:18 AM

Benjimin_Dover: Dansker: They are building a new, more soundproof church, so I guess everybody wins... but what's a hipster?

Maybe it's a feference to a faction of neighbors who want the new church to have a hip roof instead of whatever it is going to have. Maybe there is also a faction of archers who want it to have an arch roof.


I thought that was the goths.
 
2013-02-24 09:10:58 AM
First things first: I've been a member of our local Methodist church for 25+ years - been through many preachers, members, etc.
Second: We've been told (and I personally agree) that 'the church' is the congregation, not the building.
Third: Someone in the finance committee decided it was 'okay' to play these painfully loud and electronic bells/tunes at various intervals throughout the day.
Fourth: I think this aforementioned practice to be obnoxious and overbearing - especially since our church is right between two major hospitals (regardless - it's just obnoxious)
Fifth: I've recently stopped attending formal services as I've found the hypocrisy of pontificating moralistic poseurs to just be way too comical to bear - besides my personal belief that 'going to church no more makes you a Christian than going to your garage makes you a car'
Sixth: I can understand how some folks find the whole routine hard to tolerate and have their biases due to this 'practice'.
 
2013-02-24 09:15:23 AM
Houston is notorious for its lack of zoning laws. Nothing unusual here.
 
2013-02-24 09:21:41 AM

ghostwind: I'd say that this is a reasonable complaint. Communities are about respect on both sides. The pastor seems like he is just using God as an excuse to be loud at 11pm at night. I do not think anyone who is complaining is complaining about him and his congregation.

Oh and subby, gentrification != hipsters.


Exactly. I don't know a hipster that has enough money left over after buying out all the PBR and American Spirit cigarettes from the local liquor store to even cover their 1/5th of the 2 bedroom apartment and one pair of skinny jeans they share, let alone enough to get a mortgage on a house (or build a new one).
 
2013-02-24 09:24:24 AM
"That was infuriating," Salton said. "My parents were here and they were going to let us sleep in that morning."

That is a hipster (younger, relatively wealthy person; former snowflake child of helicopter parents; drinks only Starbucks Chai tea and/or locally grown wine).

It's a church; you gotta think there's going to be some singing.
 
2013-02-24 09:26:28 AM
the noise is the story, but i am betting what has pushed people over is the Illegal Parking

I don't know why people think that going to church exempts them from traffic laws

///use to live near a church with no parking of there own, so every Sunday my driveway would be blocked in from 7am~1pm  by "Worshipers"
 
2013-02-24 09:41:28 AM

jensvoight14: "That was infuriating," Salton said. "My parents were here and they were going to let us sleep in that morning."

That is a hipster (younger, relatively wealthy person; former snowflake child of helicopter parents; drinks only Starbucks Chai tea and/or locally grown wine).

It's a church; you gotta think there's going to be some singing.


No, that's not a hipster - that's just your garden variety yuppie.

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2013-02-24 09:47:16 AM
Just because the old neighbors never complained about the church violating the city's noise ordinance does not mean they can continue to violate it.

Being a church does not give you a free pass to break the law.
 
2013-02-24 09:48:24 AM
The whole "hipster" thing started with aging boomers expressing their deep seeded anxiety that what they think is cool is no longer relevant.
 
2013-02-24 09:49:09 AM

cheesegobbler: Still not sure where the hipsters come in though.


Oh you may not see them, but never doubt: the hipsters are there, the hipsters are most definitely there.
 
2013-02-24 09:50:21 AM
I read Gnostic Gospels that haven't been discovered yet, by disciples you've never heard of.
 
2013-02-24 09:50:41 AM
Meh, I live in  my workshop which is in a commercial/industrial building. My neighbours are rehearsal spaces and recording studios for various bands. It's really loud, but you get used to it eventually. Sleeping with ear plugs and a fan blowing on you, you can't hear much anyway. The upside is I can grind and hammer metal at 3am and not have any complaints.
 
2013-02-24 09:51:04 AM

Franco: The whole "hipster" thing started with aging boomers expressing their deep seeded anxiety that what they think is cool is no longer relevant.


That's actually a good point. Despite their sometimes similar consumption habits (organic free trade coffee for instance) and slight overlap in fashion statements, I think the primary difference between yuppies and hipsters is probably this:

1) Yuppies - overly concerned about social status.
2) Hipsters - apathetic about everything.
 
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