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(Games Industry International)   Sorry, console fanboys, but no next-gen console will ever out compete a high-end PC again. Truth to the left; Denial to the right   (gamesindustry.biz) divider line 31
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2013-02-23 07:05:37 PM  
4 votes:
I don't think anyone who buys a console wants it to out-perform a PC. They just want a machine they can play games on without a whole lot of hassle.
2013-02-23 05:29:43 PM  
4 votes:
"Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."

Yeah, fark that.  I'll stick with my 360.
2013-02-23 07:45:52 PM  
3 votes:
My graphics card alone cost more than my 360. If the whole PC didn't out-perform the console I'd be hard pressed to spend that kind of money.
That being said. If they'd let me use mouse+keyboard on a console game I'd still switch in a heartbeat. My hate for console controllers is pretty much what keeps me in the PC sphere.
2013-02-24 09:27:03 AM  
2 votes:

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Consoles:
* No need for constant expensive upgrades
* Integrated hardware between CPU and video tends to be faster than even some high-range PCs for the first few years
* Even at the end of its life, a modern console still has killer graphics and sound, almost on par with the latest PC graphics (ie: latest Devil May Cry vs. Crysis 3)
* Comes with dual stick controller, which just works better for some games (third person, puzzle, action)
* Less occurrence of cheating
* No driver bullshiat or configuration required
* Consoles are just more popular than PC gaming, so the community is larger

PC Gaming:
* Capable of being at the top of the graphics food chain
* Comes with mouse/keyboard, which just works better for some games (FPS, complex strategy, MMO, flight sims)
* More customizability and access to mods
* Steam tends to be on top of the market value for PC gaming (though, consoles will wise up soon enough)
* Many games start out as PC games, so there's a greater access to some types of games (esp indies)
* Greater access to where you can play them (laptops in the car, for example)

Why argue? Why have this war? Everybody should know these points and just acknowledge that both have their pros and cons. I play games on both. I also play games on my phone, which is absent in this debate. Or my NDS.
2013-02-23 09:41:32 PM  
2 votes:
i50.tinypic.com
2013-02-23 04:55:47 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-02-23 04:54:36 PM  
2 votes:
Yea, but PC's are a smaller, limited market. I dropped out about 10 years ago, and there were games then that took forever to come out on PC that had been out for a year or more on consoles. Superior hardware does you no good if they don't make games for it.
2013-02-24 09:28:31 PM  
1 votes:

Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?




Because its complicated.

We're dealing with two different kinds of users. One is the technically capable who would buy a high end pc and use Netflix or steam rather than buying physical media or pay for cable. The other is the kind who really can't be bothered with all that. They want to shove a disk in the machine and reap entertainment for minimal effort.

Pc games are (were) written for power users. Full of configurations that needed to be made, no automated servers, and lots of burden on the user to keep their hardware and software up to spec.
Consoles represent the opposite of that, and its been a profitable difference.

The only way I see to match the two markets is to make a pc and software that's easier to manage. But its going to come at the cost of power users who take their market elsewhere.
Result is there will probably always be a divide.
2013-02-24 09:08:40 AM  
1 votes:

Carth: Signs a person hasn't played games on a PC in about a decade. They say things like:

Yea, but your graphics card is out of date every year! Have fun upgrading!!
I don't want to search for drivers. I want to just put the game in and play!
I'd rather spend $200 for a console than $2000 for a PC!
Whatever I want to play watching the games on my TV instead of my tiny monitor!
I hate using a mouse and keyboard for games


None of these things have been true for 5-10 years but some people can't admit it.


^ So much this
2013-02-24 01:11:01 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: As far as I can tell, gaming PCs are for shut-ins who want to play 18 hours of some MMO per day, and consoles are for people who otherwise have a life but who want to plug and play some fun games a few hours a week.

Building a pc to play games seems like building a coffee table to play Monopoly on.


ITT: The generation of smartphone and social media users asserts that another demographic is hopelessly addicted to technology and the internet.
2013-02-23 11:21:13 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: 0. Like it or not, games like Angry Birds, Farmville, Cut the Rope, and Fruit Ninja are "real" videogames, and no biatching about how "real" gamers only play Call of Duty, Crysis, and World of Warcraft is going to change the fact that casual gaming has been more popular than twitch/FPS gaming since the invention of Pong, followed by the popularity of Space Invaders, Pac-Man, Tetris, Myst, Lemmings, and thousands of other casual titles that were played by more people than any FPS or RTS, ever.


I dislike Angry Birds, Farmville, Call of Duty AND World of Warcraft.  I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FIT IN! :'(
2013-02-23 11:15:57 PM  
1 votes:
All I care about is being able to play Super Mario 3, I don't give a poop what I do it on. I just use the laptop I won at a Christmas party and a USB NES controller. I hook the whole mess up to the TV and viola! It's just like when I was a kid and gaming was an amusing pastime as opposed to a pissing contest/money pit.
2013-02-23 11:14:59 PM  
1 votes:
A few points:

1. You can use a mouse and keyboard on the PS3. There are a few games that support it, too.
2. You can use a gamepad (the Xbox 360 wireless version, in fact) with a PC. Most Windows action games support it.
3. PCs are good for FPS (if you're a keyboard/mouse fan), RPGs, RTS, and other point-and-click games.
4. Consoles are good for action, sports, platformer, JRPGs, motion-control, and puzzle games.
5. There's no law in any state that makes it a crime to own both a PC and console.
6. Likewise, no law exists that forbids playing games on both a PC and a console.
7. Your (wife/kid/mom/grandma) hates trying to make PC games work. That's why you have a console.
8. You hate arguing over who gets to use the HDTV. That's why you have a PC.
9. Everybody plays games now. They're mainstream. The imaginary line between "gamers" and "nongamers" is bullshiat.
10. Like it or not, games like Angry Birds, Farmville, Cut the Rope, and Fruit Ninja  are "real" videogames, and no biatching about how "real" gamers only play Call of Duty, Crysis, and World of Warcraft is going to change the fact that casual gaming has been more popular than twitch/FPS gaming since the invention of Pong, followed by the popularity of Space Invaders, Pac-Man, Tetris, Myst, Lemmings, and thousands of other casual titles that were played by more people than any FPS or RTS, ever.

Dig it.
2013-02-23 10:45:08 PM  
1 votes:
Main thing I hate about console gaming:  Load times.  That being said, I think there's a market for both.  Sometimes I just want to sit on a couch with a controller in my hand, and sometimes I want to sit at a desk and game with a mouse and keyboard.
2013-02-23 10:39:05 PM  
1 votes:
The games may look prettier on the PC but the selection blows.

Most of my favorite games are console exclusives. Seems a lot of those popular PC games are just ports from consoles these days.
2013-02-23 10:19:52 PM  
1 votes:
Guess what guise?

Tesla just released a $100,000 electric car.

I am declaring the $10,000 gasoline car dead - it is obvious that no one will ever buy these obsolescent pieces of crap again.

/why can't we just have both?
2013-02-23 09:53:19 PM  
1 votes:
Am I the only person who uses both?

Consoles are fine for the vast majority of games but there are certain types of games that you really need a PC to get the most out of - I think if I tried to play a Civ game with a PS3 controller I would lose my mind. Also some games just feel right on a PC platform (most recent example I can think of is XCom:Enemy Unknown). PS3 demo left me kinda meh but playing the PC version just felt like I was home
2013-02-23 09:51:12 PM  
1 votes:
one word: modding
2013-02-23 09:45:19 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Fuzzypaws: I'd rather wait 10 minutes for a game to install on my Playstation then spend an hour tracking down drivers. At least I can do it unattended and do something productive while I wait, like whack off or something.


You can't whack off while installing drivers? Just goes to show: consoles are for amateurs. PCs are for pros, bros.
2013-02-23 09:35:43 PM  
1 votes:
I gave up pc gaming once I hooked the xbox up to a nice big screen tv and played it kicked back in a nice comfortable chair.

nows theres nothing on my lap except your mom.
2013-02-23 09:13:42 PM  
1 votes:
Well, I would hope something I blew 2 or 3 grand on would perform better than something I paid $400 for. Then again, I'm one of those insane gamers who enjoys games on all different types of formats.
2013-02-23 09:03:10 PM  
1 votes:
Lets put it this way, build a PC with the same RAW processing specs as a PS4

Compare price.  Yeah, console, make a whole lot of sense with a way bigger payoff - chances are you already own decent PC.

Besides How many other than game types besides FPS/MMORPG or strategy are really fun without a joystick? Yeah playing Arcade/driving/console type games suck with a keyboard.

Yeah sure you can DO way more with a PC but strictly from a GAMERS (yeah you're really a gamer if you only own a PC) it makes wayyy more sense.
2013-02-23 08:25:13 PM  
1 votes:
The advantage of the console over the PC is that you know for the 5 year lifespan of that generation of console you will be able to run the games for that console.

With the PC, publishers notoriously lie about the minimum specs needed to run a game just to get you to buy it. So you guy your top of the line gaming PC and it runs all the games that came out the month you bought your PC. Then six months down the line your games download a patch to fix bugs and improve content and now your machine struggles a bit to keep up with the demands. Then another six months and you can completely forget about buying any current games because your ancient 1 year old video card is ridiculously underpowered and obsolete everything in your PC is woefully inadequate for running current games and needs to be upgraded. Repeat every year. And then between your software updates and hardware updates suddenly the old games you used to love no longer work on your machine because the new version of Direct X or some other driver is no longer backwards compatible with the old stuff.

I have a Gamecube. It still runs every Gamecube game. 10 years from now it will still run every Gamecube game. I have an XBox 360. It runs every Xbox 360 game. 10 years from now it will still run every Xbox game. My windows 7 PC won`t run current generation games worth crap because it`s a little over a year old and now considered obsolete. It also won`t run awesome old games like Interstate `76 because Direct X updates and the operating system are not backwards compatible enough to run the game.
2013-02-23 08:09:15 PM  
1 votes:

coco ebert: Is this like a thing people argue about?


Well what would you suggest instead?
2013-02-23 08:00:16 PM  
1 votes:

clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."

Yeah, fark that.  I'll stick with my 360.


No kidding.  It's almost as if they don't understand the point of consoles.
2013-02-23 07:50:19 PM  
1 votes:
Anybody that uses fanboy or the even dumber alternate spelling deserves an ass whipping in a gravel parking lot
2013-02-23 07:31:46 PM  
1 votes:
I'd rather wait 10 minutes for a game to install on my Playstation then spend an hour tracking down drivers. At least I can do it unattended and do something productive while I wait, like whack off or something.
2013-02-23 07:18:10 PM  
1 votes:
"We used Moore's Law," Yerli said. "If you predict how hardware evolves at the current speed of evolution, and then take consumer pricing evolution, already two years ago you could see, whatever launches in 2013 or 2014 or 2015, will never beat a PC again."

Moore's Law is just a observation of the exponential growth in the number transistors in a IC historically; it says nothing about nothing the future, it's not a physical law.
2013-02-23 07:07:09 PM  
1 votes:

Shostie: I don't think anyone who buys a console wants it to out-perform a PC. They just want a machine they can play games on without a whole lot of hassle.


This.  I don't want to buy a game, get it home, and discover my computer's video card is out of date after I've opened the box, thus making it impossible for me to return the software.
2013-02-23 05:42:46 PM  
1 votes:

Steve Zodiac: Yea, but PC's are a smaller, limited market. I dropped out about 10 years ago, and there were games then that took forever to come out on PC that had been out for a year or more on consoles. Superior hardware does you no good if they don't make games for it.


They make games for it.  Lots of them.  But consoles are quite a lot cheaper and do a pretty good job of being perfectly fun.
2013-02-23 05:39:38 PM  
1 votes:
Given the price difference between "high end PCs" and consoles, I don't know why that shouldn't be the case.


/JUST got my first PC that could qualify as high..ish.. end.  It's lovely, but the price tag was not.
 
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