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(Games Industry International)   Sorry, console fanboys, but no next-gen console will ever out compete a high-end PC again. Truth to the left; Denial to the right   (gamesindustry.biz) divider line 250
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2013-02-24 11:10:55 AM

blue_2501: [d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 265x310]
Consoles:
* No need for constant expensive upgrades
* Integrated hardware between CPU and video tends to be faster than even some high-range PCs for the first few years
* Even at the end of its life, a modern console still has killer graphics and sound, almost on par with the latest PC graphics (ie: latest Devil May Cry vs. Crysis 3)
* Comes with dual stick controller, which just works better for some games (third person, puzzle, action)
* Less occurrence of cheating
* No driver bullshiat or configuration required
* Consoles are just more popular than PC gaming, so the community is larger

PC Gaming:
* Capable of being at the top of the graphics food chain
* Comes with mouse/keyboard, which just works better for some games (FPS, complex strategy, MMO, flight sims)
* More customizability and access to mods
* Steam tends to be on top of the market value for PC gaming (though, consoles will wise up soon enough)
* Many games start out as PC games, so there's a greater access to some types of games (esp indies)
* Greater access to where you can play them (laptops in the car, for example)

Why argue? Why have this war? Everybody should know these points and just acknowledge that both have their pros and cons. I play games on both. I also play games on my phone, which is absent in this debate. Or my NDS.


the irony here is most arguments about tech are started by people listing pros/cons

a better way to put it is a device for every need, for every market in the world providing more options is seen as a great thing... you wouldn't want to walk into a restaurant or a car dealership and there be only 1 item/car model right? similarly, monopolies suck when there's no choices (re: ISP's) so the idea that tech hardware needs to be a winner-takes-all market is unhealthy and would probably lead to a general decline

that said, it's tech, and tech geeks love to argue about stuff like this, it's more fun than arguing about politics, so it's fairly harmless (except smartphone wars, that shiat can goto hell)
 
2013-02-24 11:14:16 AM

Nemo's Brother: Neondistraction: abadabba: A 6 year old core 2 quad and an 8800GT can still run many of todays games at reduced settings.

I can vouch for that.  Although I'm running a core 2 duo, not a quad.  At the time very few games were optimized to take advantage of four cores and I couldn't justify the extra expense with my budget.  If I'd gone for a quad core I wouldn't have been able to afford my overclocked 8800GT, which is still running like a champ.  I think I made the right call there.

In fact I can play most new games on medium settings, although I haven't tried Crysis 3 or Far Cry 3 yet.  Only game I can remember having to really dial the settings down for was LA Noire, but that could just be Rockstar doing a half-ass job optimizing the PC port - again.

Nemo's Brother: The PC is dying. Tablets and smartphones reign supreme.  You PC retards are going to push the App Game revolution. You must be proud.

Worst troll attempt ever.

-3/10
/that's right, it was so bad you've had points taken away.
//I imagine you're in the red now

Funny, my 7-year old console has no problem playing LA Noire.

Old PCs are great if you don't want to play the most recent games? That would be like buying a PS3 lite and knowing no game made after 2010 would work.YAY!

/go back to your space marines and angry birds


you must not be very excited for the ps4 then, as literally nothing you own will run on it
 
2013-02-24 11:53:12 AM
This is my favorite internet b*tch fight.

"The way I waste time and get a false feeling of accomplishment is better than the way you do it!"
 
2013-02-24 11:53:23 AM
My computer can play ps1 games.
 
2013-02-24 12:06:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: As far as I can tell, gaming PCs are for shut-ins who want to play 18 hours of some MMO per day, and consoles are for people who otherwise have a life but who want to plug and play some fun games a few hours a week.

Building a pc to play games seems like building a coffee table to play Monopoly on.


Some people like to combine their hobbies. For instance someone who likes to build furniture AND play board games. Others like to buy a coffee table with a built-in monopoly board so they don't have to get the board out every time they want to play. Of course, they have to deal with the possibility of condensation rings on their playing board, where someone who puts the board away when they are done doesn't have that problem.

Diff'rent strokes as they say.
 
2013-02-24 12:20:23 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.cameronnewland.com image 500x481]

Bow before me console gamer scum.


I was told by my grandson that if I wanted to have a really high end fast gaming rig, to buy one of those for 4k.

Instead I looked at their hardware configuration and bought the parts through newegg/pricegrabber for around 1k.
 
2013-02-24 12:21:15 PM
Quick question: I have an AMD Athlon II x4 635 at 2.9 GHz I think, and was wondering if my system could run games that require at least a Phenom, such as newer COD titles and Planetside 2?
 
2013-02-24 12:24:20 PM

The Muthaship: This is my favorite internet b*tch fight.

"The way I waste time and get a false feeling of accomplishment is better than the way you do it!"



My favorite is the hex map vs square map and chit arguments from avalon hill gamers.
 
2013-02-24 12:26:27 PM

Mentalpatient87: styckx: traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]

I don't have that because my desk is big and mousepad sits far away from the edge.

But.. My Allsop Redmond mouse pad I bought over 5 years ago has its own badge of PC Master Race glory.  That was once a shiny metal finish.

I keep my keyboard in my lap and mouse/pad on the arm of my recliner. It's home.


It's good to see I am not the only one that partakes in the ultimate gaming experience.
 
2013-02-24 12:45:45 PM

Lsherm: Fubini: Far Cry 3 - Free vs$ 60

I am loving Far Cry 3.  I had to pay $30 for it though.  When were they offering it for free?


Probably got it with the AMD video card bundle, since the other two free titles in his list were with the three I got.

While his list is accurate, it's also a bit disingenuous.  He's comparing sale prices and bundle freebies to retail prices for console games, and ignoring resale on top of it.  If you're willing to cherry-pick to that degree, you could make the outcome completely the opposite by just picking different games to compare.

Hell, just by waiting until today, his list changes.  Borderlands 2, for example, is back to $60 on Steam, but is available for $55 retail for the 360.  The retail copy will have a resale value when you finish, leaving its net cost somewhere below $55, while the Steam copy is non-transferrable.
 
2013-02-24 01:00:32 PM

clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."

Yeah, fark that.  I'll stick with my 360.


not if microsoft has anything to do with it.  Ever owned a COD game?  Have you tried playing it AFTER the release of the newest title in the series?  Funny how performance issues crop up overnight.  Usually after a forced update.  Microsoft are masters at planned obsolescense.  Your (and my) 360 will be a brick in +/- 4 years, even though the games and hardware is MORE than enough for anyone who cut their teeth on the NES/SEGA generation.

/Bastards.  Where do I get the '720' anyway?
 
2013-02-24 01:18:30 PM

Giltric: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.cameronnewland.com image 500x481]

Bow before me console gamer scum.

I was told by my grandson that if I wanted to have a really high end fast gaming rig, to buy one of those for 4k.

Instead I looked at their hardware configuration and bought the parts through newegg/pricegrabber for around 1k.


I got an Area 51 ALX at the Dell outlet store for $1400.  Best money I ever spent, because while Alienware might be overpriced, occasionally they do cool shiat like this:

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the SATA drive array is on the side of the case, and drives just snap in and out.  It's teh awesome.  Long after this machine is toast as far as gaming, it's going to sit and be a media server for my whole house.  It's doing that already.
 
2013-02-24 01:49:48 PM

gopher321: Bought a HP high-end machine a couple years ago. If you know anything about HPs, you know they are severely underpowered - damn thing came with a 150W p/s...I swapped that out with a nice Corsair, bought a decent video nVidia, boosted the RAM to 16GB and I'm laughing.

Haven't had a console since the 1980s. There's just no point.


You buy a pc, then you buy a PS, a new video card and additional RAM? Why not buy they parts. Not paying for a video card and a power supply you aren't going to use is bound to save you money.

gingerjet: jakepowers: $2000 PC or $500 Playstation/$300 Xbox?

It seems pretty clear to me which will be more popular

I didn't bother reading the article but THIS.

/the PC is dying


For 600 euro I can build a PC which will be perfectly capable of running future games on console quality video. I will also be able to do tons of other stuff with it and an upgrade can be performed if deemed necessary. There is no reason what so ever for a gamer to buy a US$2000 computer. My PC was roughly €800 last year and I can run the newest games on the highest quality settings. I'm willing to bet that it will also be able to keep competing against consoles in the foreseeable future.

/Except for bragging rights obviously
//I'll see if I am correct about future games if I get some console port
 
2013-02-24 02:21:11 PM
I play both but generally speaking the games that treat you like a "gamer" are on the PC. I have a PC and an Xbox and play them about equally. I love my Xbox for playing a no brain shooter like halo and them ill use my PC for some SWTOR action.

In fact, the only genre I don't play is "sports" because they are always glitched and all around shiatty games.
 
2013-02-24 03:39:32 PM
I get a kick out of all this, "Why should I spend $1000 on a PC when I can get the same games on a $300 console?"

If you're willing to give up the mouse/keyboard/etc and live with the lower graphics, that's your choice. But know this, when these consoles hit the market they aren't going to be $300. A more reasonable figure is $600-$700 for the first 2 years of their life.

And while there's a good chance they can match PC graphics when they come out, they will slip further and further behind because they are locked in time. Optimization helps extend it's life but like the current generation consoles, eventually the resolutions and textures will be massively downgraded and the gun models expanded just to run a game at mediocre FPS.
 
2013-02-24 03:53:36 PM

Nemo's Brother: The PC is dying. Tablets and smartphones reign supreme.  You PC retards are going to push the App Game revolution. You must be proud.

The tablet / smartphone thing is the new shiny toy of the netbook/hometheatre crowd of toy consumers.   These are the adult versions of tickle-me-elmo and beanie babies.   PC's long term will steal a few of the nice features and the rest will be discarded.  Yes 5 years from now you, and every other non-luddite in the world will have a palm siaze communications device to transmit our thoughts to whom ever we want almost everywhere.  It will have a nice screen on it probably touch screen (I actually really hope that a near touch screen gesture system is perfected I'm tired of smudges.) we will be able to talk on it. and it will most likely have either integrated or as an option a moderately sized full keypad.  It will watch silly videos and movies from online and play games that are not super in-depth or system demanding that some people will get seriously way to into

At home everyone will have a considerably more powerful productivity/heavy system that will be configured to do more in-depth and productive things.unless you are once again a Luddite.  Now here is where things get interesting.  That heavy system will have a few pages of technical documents somewhere that 1 in 5 people will bother to read.  Those tell you hey you can easily configure this with a simple cheap peice of hardware to link to you large monitor and to your little handheld, and to your video game machine and to your spouses handheld, and well just about any device you want.

Most will only hook up a small number of those into conjunction but a few will and in doing so will become amazing people,  In my case it will probably mean that I get to go to federal prison for making copywrited content  I got for free, (from downloading the orbital coms  feed its only lightly scrambled.) widely available. That said its really rather interesting how I can even now be reasonably expected to access fairly high speed internet anywhere at any time (rural land not counted.)
 
2013-02-24 04:52:59 PM
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2013-02-24 05:27:44 PM
Well I'm personally waiting for the next-gen of consoles to be announced.  Once their spec's are known we can see how well things stand up.

To quote the CEO of Sony America, the day after the alleged PS4 announcement:   No specifications have been finalised.

Once the device stops being fictitious then we'll throw it in the ring.
 
2013-02-24 05:30:16 PM

clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."

Yeah, fark that.  I'll stick with my 360.


That's workstation prices.  You can build a PC that out performs the 360 for about the same amount as the PS3 was at launch.  Which was equally true when the PS3 launched as well.

The £2k - £3k price point is often bandied around by people looking at places like Alienware and thinking that's what they need to play PC games.
 
2013-02-24 05:44:09 PM
People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?
 
2013-02-24 06:36:50 PM

raygundan: While his list is accurate, it's also a bit disingenuous.  He's comparing sale prices and bundle freebies to retail prices for console games, and ignoring resale on top of it.  If you're willing to cherry-pick to that degree, you could make the outcome completely the opposite by just picking different games to compare.


I would argue it's a valid comparison because Steam sales happen at least once every few months, while the only 360 sale I'm aware of ever happening are the black Friday deals. I've never had to wait more than 3 or 4 months for a PC game (that I wanted) to go on sale for 30-50% off retail. You can feasibly delay buying a game to wait for a sale on PC, but you can't really do that for console games.

I also explicitly pointed out that I had to spend an additional $100 on a GPU to get the freebie games, but I still come out with an effective sale price for three brand-new PC titles of something like 33-40% off retail (assume I got the three freebies for $100 versus $150-180 retail). On top of all that, I got a much better GPU, so you can either consider the better GPU as free, or the games as free. When was the last time you saw a console games bundle that genuinely made you feel like you were getting a deal?

You're also fooling yourself if you think that next-gen console games are going to have any resale value. If they do at all, it's going to be some kind of gimped half-game that you might be able to sell to a friend for 5-20 dollars, and someplace like Gamestop is going to give you 1-5 for it.
 
2013-02-24 07:51:07 PM

Vaneshi: That's workstation prices.  You can build a PC that out performs the 360 for about the same amount as the PS3 was at launch.  Which was equally true when the PS3 launched as well.

The £2k - £3k price point is often bandied around by people looking at places like Alienware and thinking that's what they need to play PC games.


PC gaming reminds me of other areas like fine wine and expensive meat. You can buy fillet steak from a supermarket. It'll be OK. Go to a butcher, pay a little more, it's probably worth it. You can, if you want get wagyu fillet steak, although hiring a couple of escorts for an hour is probably cheaper. Most people will decline. Some people are so crazy about food, they'll buy it.

Likewise gaming. You can spend £300 on a 3GB graphics card. It'll allow you to have 3 monitors and a super frame rate, or you can spend £50 on a 1GB graphics card and run 2 monitors. Some people are so into gaming that £300 is worth it to them. But the gaming on a £50 card is still pretty damn sweet. A few years ago, that was the cutting edge.

To be honest, £450-500 is what you need for a good gaming PC. That's like 1GB of gfx, 8GB of RAM, an i5 processor. Personally, I'm still on an Athlon X2, although I have a 1GB graphics card.
 
2013-02-24 09:28:31 PM

Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?




Because its complicated.

We're dealing with two different kinds of users. One is the technically capable who would buy a high end pc and use Netflix or steam rather than buying physical media or pay for cable. The other is the kind who really can't be bothered with all that. They want to shove a disk in the machine and reap entertainment for minimal effort.

Pc games are (were) written for power users. Full of configurations that needed to be made, no automated servers, and lots of burden on the user to keep their hardware and software up to spec.
Consoles represent the opposite of that, and its been a profitable difference.

The only way I see to match the two markets is to make a pc and software that's easier to manage. But its going to come at the cost of power users who take their market elsewhere.
Result is there will probably always be a divide.
 
2013-02-24 09:33:48 PM

Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?


Because I'm not poor.
 
2013-02-24 11:01:43 PM

Nemo's Brother: Funny, my 7-year old console has no problem playing LA Noire.

Old PCs are great if you don't want to play the most recent games? That would be like buying a PS3 lite and knowing no game made after 2010 would work.YAY!

/go back to your space marines and angry birds


I didn't have a problem playing it, I just had to turn the settings down lower than I do for most other games.  Learn to read.

Now I'm going to go back to playing Assassins Creed 3 (which is newer than LA Noire), which I'm running at a higher resolution and smoother frame rate than a PS3 can.
 
2013-02-24 11:07:51 PM

Neondistraction: Now I'm going to go back to playing Assassins Creed 3


Any good?  I got it for free with my GPU, and I haven't even touched it yet.
 
2013-02-24 11:14:58 PM

TiiiMMMaHHH: clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."

Yeah, fark that.  I'll stick with my 360.

not if microsoft has anything to do with it.  Ever owned a COD game?  Have you tried playing it AFTER the release of the newest title in the series?  Funny how performance issues crop up overnight.  Usually after a forced update.  Microsoft are masters at planned obsolescense.  Your (and my) 360 will be a brick in +/- 4 years, even though the games and hardware is MORE than enough for anyone who cut their teeth on the NES/SEGA generation.

/Bastards.  Where do I get the '720' anyway?




Yes, I still play CoD4. Plenty of dedicated servers and players, still. Same with BFV.
 
2013-02-24 11:19:03 PM

way south: Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?

Because its complicated.

We're dealing with two different kinds of users. One is the technically capable who would buy a high end pc and use Netflix or steam rather than buying physical media or pay for cable. The other is the kind who really can't be bothered with all that. They want to shove a disk in the machine and reap entertainment for minimal effort.

Pc games are (were) written for power users. Full of configurations that needed to be made, no automated servers, and lots of burden on the user to keep their hardware and software up to spec.
Consoles represent the opposite of that, and its been a profitable difference.

The only way I see to match the two markets is to make a pc and software that's easier to manage. But its going to come at the cost of power users who take their market elsewhere.
Result is there will probably always be a divide.


Not if there were a proper mouse/keyboard. Yay rights management.
 
2013-02-24 11:33:48 PM

Relatively Obscure: Neondistraction: Now I'm going to go back to playing Assassins Creed 3

Any good?  I got it for free with my GPU, and I haven't even touched it yet.


So far yeah, I'm liking it better than the previous one.  If you like any of the series I don't see why you wouldn't like this one.
 
2013-02-25 12:40:27 AM
Person 1:The microwave is superior! It's faster, more convenient, and easy to use! I never have to warm it up or set any dials. It also costs a lot less!

Person 2: The oven is better! You have more control, it's more versatile, and though it costs more than a microwave, it also has a stovetop and makes pies and pizza WAY better than a microwave can. I can't stand baking with a digital keypad-- Analog dials are the way REAL cooks do it. Microwaves are for kids.

Person 3: Do I really have to choose, or can I bake a pie in my oven  and cook soup in the microwave? How about I use whichever one suits my immediate needs? Why do I have to pick sides, here?
 
2013-02-25 01:23:14 AM
wow, there are a whole farkload of posts in here from

A) people who have only heard about PC gaming from CNBC once 14 years ago.
and
B)people who may have done some PC gaming back pre-win98.

the PC is just another platform nowadays. there are very, very few AAA games made for the platform exclusively. in fact, I can think of exactly zero that aren't mmos.
 
2013-02-25 01:34:27 AM
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Both have their selling points. Both have their drawbacks. Can't we all just get back to blowing shiat up and accept that just because some people have different preferences that us, doesn't mean that anyone has to be "Wrong". Now refill your redbull, top off your cheetos, and get back to playing.
 
2013-02-25 01:51:30 AM

Mike_LowELL: You are correct.  They are also bad video games.


Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.
 
2013-02-25 02:41:20 AM

blue_2501: [d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 265x310]
Consoles:
* No need for constant expensive upgrades
* Integrated hardware between CPU and video tends to be faster than even some high-range PCs for the first few years
* Even at the end of its life, a modern console still has killer graphics and sound, almost on par with the latest PC graphics (ie: latest Devil May Cry vs. Crysis 3)
* Comes with dual stick controller, which just works better for some games (third person, puzzle, action)
* Less occurrence of cheating
* No driver bullshiat or configuration required
* Consoles are just more popular than PC gaming, so the community is larger

PC Gaming:
* Capable of being at the top of the graphics food chain
* Comes with mouse/keyboard, which just works better for some games (FPS, complex strategy, MMO, flight sims)
* More customizability and access to mods
* Steam tends to be on top of the market value for PC gaming (though, consoles will wise up soon enough)
* Many games start out as PC games, so there's a greater access to some types of games (esp indies)
* Greater access to where you can play them (laptops in the car, for example)

Why argue? Why have this war? Everybody should know these points and just acknowledge that both have their pros and cons. I play games on both. I also play games on my phone, which is absent in this debate. Or my NDS.


Came here to say a lot of this, but I would like to add this.

How much better can real time graphics really get that one would require cutting edge hardware to run?  Things are getting to the near photo realistic as it is where artist can pretty much do what ever they want, and ultimately photo realism will not be the benchmark any more, because everyone will be able to achieve it with ease, and artistic style and vision is what people will look for in outstanding graphics.
 
2013-02-25 02:54:03 AM

Arthen: If you are reading this, no matter your opinion, you are wasting your life.


Did you mean to post this in the Politics tab? Because it belongs there. All the time.
 
2013-02-25 04:39:36 AM

Steve Zodiac: Yea, but PC's are a smaller, limited market. I dropped out about 10 years ago, and there were games then that took forever to come out on PC that had been out for a year or more on consoles. Superior hardware does you no good if they don't make games for it.


xbox is a pc... I love how dumb people can be,
 
2013-02-25 05:55:11 AM

SuperT: A) people who have only heard about PC gaming from CNBC once 14 years ago.
and
B)people who may have done some PC gaming back pre-win98.


THIS

I'm not sure where this "difficult configuration" stuff comes from. I've recently played Portal, World of Goo and Defense Grid via Steam, and the experience is no more complicated than playing a game on a Wii. Actually, it's easier, because I don't have to worry about discs.
 
2013-02-25 06:16:25 AM
Bought a gaming PC in 2009 for 350 bucks. Just installed Black Ops II on it this past weekend since it was free on Steam. Playing the game at maximum video/graphics capability at a constant >35 fps.

I dont understand this constant assumption that you have to upgrade your PC every 6 months. The whole benefit of a PC was longer shelf life. My PC is just NOW getting a little long in the tooth, with the dual core processor and 4 gigs of ram starting to show its limitations. Mind you im STILL playing current games like Dead Space 3 fully maxed out on a system that was cheaper than the either the PS3 or the 360 while also looking significantly better.

Just a heads up, most driver updates are automatic these days, as are game updates and patches. Im sure its the same for consoles to. Put your game in, pop up says 'oh dear, im out of date, would you like to fix that?' you click yes and 2 minutes later you are playing your game.
 
2013-02-25 12:43:40 PM
Call me when the Steam box comes out.  Until then, I'm good with my PC. Sure, there are some exclusive titles I'd like to play, but I'm not going to fork out a grand for console hardware and games.
 
2013-02-25 01:48:08 PM

GAT_00: I'll say what I said last time we did this: PC markets will never die because games like Crusader Kings will never work on consoles, and there's plenty of market for grand strategy games.


That's a fair point, at least until someone comes up with a mouse-equivalent device for consoles. I'd go ahead and put hardcore old-school RPG gaming (think: Baldur's Gate) into the same category for the same reasons.

But this just emphasizes the niche-like nature of the PC gaming market. It's a market that's going to continue to cater to a very select audience of high-end gamers and hobbyists. As someone who does use his PC for gaming, I'm not worried about the industry collapsing around us, but I do think that the PC gamers who are excitedly proclaiming that PC gaming is going to make a tremendous come-back, because there's a momentary downturn in the console market, are badly deluding themselves.
 
2013-02-25 01:54:02 PM

Repo Man: If your video card is more than six months old, it's out of date. But how old would it have to be to not run a new release at all? Pretty goddamned old for the most part. PC games are set up to run on a spectrum of hardware, from barely running on the minimum spec, to smooth as butter with all of the pretty turned on at the bleeding edge. Just read the box, and you'll generally be fine. And isn't the occasional hardware upgrade part of the fun?


I think that, for the vast majority of people, the answer would be a solid no. There's a specific sort of person who enjoys messing with hardware.
 
2013-02-25 01:54:19 PM
Cross platform licenses would be nice.
 
2013-02-25 02:45:35 PM

kab: Repo Man: If your video card is more than six months old, it's out of date.

This statement hasn't been relevant in years.


My card is over 3 years old and it still runs anything I throw at it. I just install the most current drivers every few months and it just runs.
 
2013-02-25 09:44:39 PM

Electrify: Quick question: I have an AMD Athlon II x4 635 at 2.9 GHz I think, and was wondering if my system could run games that require at least a Phenom, such as newer COD titles and Planetside 2?


Serious question goes ignored in the battle.

The CPU will be fine, it might bottleneck if you have the highest settings at the highest resolutions coupled with the greatest GPUs, but it will still run 1080 on medium/high at 60fps provided the GPU is up to it.

Whilst each thread isn't as fast as a modern chip, it's still more than enough for those plus the three other cores on a multi-threaded game (which most modern games are).
 
2013-02-26 01:44:21 AM
And the real hell in all of this?  All of that capability won't matter a damn bit.  Right now it's just a matter of cash to have a PC with eight cpu cores and four graphics cards - and can anyone give a guess just how many games that will actually really matter when playing?

Bottom line, if the game is available on Xbox360 or PS3, IT WAS DESIGNED FOR CONSOLES.  The basic controls on a PC are mouse/keyboard, and the head guy at Infinity Ward once referred to support for them as a "custom feature" along with the ability to change resolution.  It is way more than obvious that the big devs don't want to have to support the PC's. We are a chore to them.

untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct.  They are also bad video games.

Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.


Ding, ding.  I believe we have a winner.
 
2013-02-26 05:05:18 AM

Jarhead_h: untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.

Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.

Ding, ding. I believe we have a winner.


It would be, but "it's popular and there's nothing you can do about it" is usually code for "you made fun of something I find enjoyable, so instead of actually rebutting the point at-hand, I'll just point out the futility of making that valid argument".  Dumb things get popular, yes.  That doesn't make it any less entertaining to crash the party on their worldview.
 
2013-02-26 10:27:17 AM

lordargent: as a joke once, I played a level in halo using a Guitar Hero guitar ... I would never do that in multiplayer though ... unless I was playing against other people who were using Guitars.


Why is this not a thing?  It is kind of brilliant.  Now I'm sorely tempted to organize a tournament like that.
 
2013-02-26 11:04:34 AM

Mike_LowELL: Jarhead_h: untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.

Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.

Ding, ding. I believe we have a winner.

It would be, but "it's popular and there's nothing you can do about it" is usually code for "you made fun of something I find enjoyable, so instead of actually rebutting the point at-hand, I'll just point out the futility of making that valid argument".  Dumb things get popular, yes.  That doesn't make it any less entertaining to crash the party on their worldview.


Sorry, I just have a habit of pointing out that most people's rage and butthurt amounts to farts in the wind. Only because I used to spend time ranting against things, and now I find it more fun to point out that it's completely ineffective, which is itself also completely ineffective, but more fun. You sounded mad, bro, is what I'm saying. I only play flight sims, so it's pretty obvious which side of the "console vs. pc" debate *I'm* gonna be on. Well, and sometimes I break out the old TSR games in the DOSbox, but rarely.
 
2013-02-26 04:51:55 PM

untaken_name: Sorry, I just have a habit of pointing out that most people's rage and butthurt amounts to farts in the wind. Only because I used to spend time ranting against things, and now I find it more fun to point out that it's completely ineffective, which is itself also completely ineffective, but more fun. You sounded mad, bro, is what I'm saying. I only play flight sims, so it's pretty obvious which side of the "console vs. pc" debate *I'm* gonna be on. Well, and sometimes I break out the old TSR games in the DOSbox, but rarely.


Well, two things: One, it takes the point of view that ranting or being critical of something isn't pleasurable.  If you're going a lot of time to the topic and you're really interested in it, developing a thought process for understanding the game can be more fun than playing it.  And number two, it takes the point of view that I should just bite my tongue whenever someone brings up the topic.  I don't know the psychology of the situation, but it's more pleasurable for me to poke holes in the argument than concede the argument is unwinnable.

It's been three-and-a-half years since the game was released and I have yet to see a single decent argument in favor of the quality of those games.  It always boils down to "convenience" or "popularity".  (And when I say "decent", I'm saying "argument that at least has a valid thought process".  "Angry Birds is an excellent game", on the whole, is an indefensible statement.)  And considering I do a lot of writing on the topic (because I find it enjoyable and a worthwhile pursuit), it's worth it for me to engage those situations, just to see what the randoms are saying.

Oh, and just to discuss the topic: The entire "Console vs. PC" debate is stupid because 1) adoption or preference for the platform means absolutely nothing these days, particularly since PC games have become so easy to play, and 2) it pretends the rest of the medium doesn't exist, and if you're playing consoles because they have "the best action games", every person who has ever played games in an arcade would want to laugh at you.  Games are a medium that go far, far beyond one operating platform, and while I personally prefer computer video games, I know there's stuff on consoles, arcades, portables (and possibly one day phones) that simply wouldn't be as much fun with a mouse and keyboard.
 
2013-02-27 02:43:18 AM
SharkaPult: Why is this not a thing? It is kind of brilliant. Now I'm sorely tempted to organize a tournament like that.

A friend of mine used to play street fighter with his feet ... and was still able to kick our asses.

Some games end up resonating with some people and they become godlike when playing.

// wish I had the time to perfect my skills, damn job :P

// um, that's YOUR controller from now on dude.
 
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