blue_2501: [d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net image 265x310]Consoles:* No need for constant expensive upgrades* Integrated hardware between CPU and video tends to be faster than even some high-range PCs for the first few years* Even at the end of its life, a modern console still has killer graphics and sound, almost on par with the latest PC graphics (ie: latest Devil May Cry vs. Crysis 3)* Comes with dual stick controller, which just works better for some games (third person, puzzle, action)* Less occurrence of cheating* No driver bullshiat or configuration required* Consoles are just more popular than PC gaming, so the community is largerPC Gaming:* Capable of being at the top of the graphics food chain* Comes with mouse/keyboard, which just works better for some games (FPS, complex strategy, MMO, flight sims)* More customizability and access to mods* Steam tends to be on top of the market value for PC gaming (though, consoles will wise up soon enough)* Many games start out as PC games, so there's a greater access to some types of games (esp indies)* Greater access to where you can play them (laptops in the car, for example)Why argue? Why have this war? Everybody should know these points and just acknowledge that both have their pros and cons. I play games on both. I also play games on my phone, which is absent in this debate. Or my NDS.
Nemo's Brother: Neondistraction: abadabba: A 6 year old core 2 quad and an 8800GT can still run many of todays games at reduced settings.I can vouch for that. Although I'm running a core 2 duo, not a quad. At the time very few games were optimized to take advantage of four cores and I couldn't justify the extra expense with my budget. If I'd gone for a quad core I wouldn't have been able to afford my overclocked 8800GT, which is still running like a champ. I think I made the right call there.In fact I can play most new games on medium settings, although I haven't tried Crysis 3 or Far Cry 3 yet. Only game I can remember having to really dial the settings down for was LA Noire, but that could just be Rockstar doing a half-ass job optimizing the PC port - again.Nemo's Brother: The PC is dying. Tablets and smartphones reign supreme. You PC retards are going to push the App Game revolution. You must be proud.Worst troll attempt ever.-3/10/that's right, it was so bad you've had points taken away.//I imagine you're in the red nowFunny, my 7-year old console has no problem playing LA Noire.Old PCs are great if you don't want to play the most recent games? That would be like buying a PS3 lite and knowing no game made after 2010 would work.YAY!/go back to your space marines and angry birds
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: As far as I can tell, gaming PCs are for shut-ins who want to play 18 hours of some MMO per day, and consoles are for people who otherwise have a life but who want to plug and play some fun games a few hours a week.Building a pc to play games seems like building a coffee table to play Monopoly on.
Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.cameronnewland.com image 500x481]Bow before me console gamer scum.
The Muthaship: This is my favorite internet b*tch fight."The way I waste time and get a false feeling of accomplishment is better than the way you do it!"
Mentalpatient87: styckx: traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]I don't have that because my desk is big and mousepad sits far away from the edge.But.. My Allsop Redmond mouse pad I bought over 5 years ago has its own badge of PC Master Race glory. That was once a shiny metal finish.I keep my keyboard in my lap and mouse/pad on the arm of my recliner. It's home.
Lsherm: Fubini: Far Cry 3 - Free vs$ 60I am loving Far Cry 3. I had to pay $30 for it though. When were they offering it for free?
clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."Yeah, fark that. I'll stick with my 360.
Giltric: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [www.cameronnewland.com image 500x481]Bow before me console gamer scum.I was told by my grandson that if I wanted to have a really high end fast gaming rig, to buy one of those for 4k.Instead I looked at their hardware configuration and bought the parts through newegg/pricegrabber for around 1k.
gopher321: Bought a HP high-end machine a couple years ago. If you know anything about HPs, you know they are severely underpowered - damn thing came with a 150W p/s...I swapped that out with a nice Corsair, bought a decent video nVidia, boosted the RAM to 16GB and I'm laughing.Haven't had a console since the 1980s. There's just no point.
gingerjet: jakepowers: $2000 PC or $500 Playstation/$300 Xbox?It seems pretty clear to me which will be more popularI didn't bother reading the article but THIS./the PC is dying
Nemo's Brother: The PC is dying. Tablets and smartphones reign supreme. You PC retards are going to push the App Game revolution. You must be proud.
raygundan: While his list is accurate, it's also a bit disingenuous. He's comparing sale prices and bundle freebies to retail prices for console games, and ignoring resale on top of it. If you're willing to cherry-pick to that degree, you could make the outcome completely the opposite by just picking different games to compare.
Vaneshi: That's workstation prices. You can build a PC that out performs the 360 for about the same amount as the PS3 was at launch. Which was equally true when the PS3 launched as well.The £2k - £3k price point is often bandied around by people looking at places like Alienware and thinking that's what they need to play PC games.
Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?
Nemo's Brother: Funny, my 7-year old console has no problem playing LA Noire.Old PCs are great if you don't want to play the most recent games? That would be like buying a PS3 lite and knowing no game made after 2010 would work.YAY!/go back to your space marines and angry birds
Neondistraction: Now I'm going to go back to playing Assassins Creed 3
TiiiMMMaHHH: clancifer: "Yerli said what could be packed into a $2,000 or $3,000 high-end PC should have no trouble besting what Sony or Microsoft put into a mass market machine with a more consumer-friendly price point."Yeah, fark that. I'll stick with my 360.not if microsoft has anything to do with it. Ever owned a COD game? Have you tried playing it AFTER the release of the newest title in the series? Funny how performance issues crop up overnight. Usually after a forced update. Microsoft are masters at planned obsolescense. Your (and my) 360 will be a brick in +/- 4 years, even though the games and hardware is MORE than enough for anyone who cut their teeth on the NES/SEGA generation./Bastards. Where do I get the '720' anyway?
way south: Giltric: People will spend 1k on a laptop to do work on and another couple hundred on a console...why not spend all of it on the laptop and play games with it?Because its complicated.We're dealing with two different kinds of users. One is the technically capable who would buy a high end pc and use Netflix or steam rather than buying physical media or pay for cable. The other is the kind who really can't be bothered with all that. They want to shove a disk in the machine and reap entertainment for minimal effort.Pc games are (were) written for power users. Full of configurations that needed to be made, no automated servers, and lots of burden on the user to keep their hardware and software up to spec.Consoles represent the opposite of that, and its been a profitable difference.The only way I see to match the two markets is to make a pc and software that's easier to manage. But its going to come at the cost of power users who take their market elsewhere.Result is there will probably always be a divide.
Relatively Obscure: Neondistraction: Now I'm going to go back to playing Assassins Creed 3Any good? I got it for free with my GPU, and I haven't even touched it yet.
Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.
Arthen: If you are reading this, no matter your opinion, you are wasting your life.
Steve Zodiac: Yea, but PC's are a smaller, limited market. I dropped out about 10 years ago, and there were games then that took forever to come out on PC that had been out for a year or more on consoles. Superior hardware does you no good if they don't make games for it.
SuperT: A) people who have only heard about PC gaming from CNBC once 14 years ago.andB)people who may have done some PC gaming back pre-win98.
GAT_00: I'll say what I said last time we did this: PC markets will never die because games like Crusader Kings will never work on consoles, and there's plenty of market for grand strategy games.
Repo Man: If your video card is more than six months old, it's out of date. But how old would it have to be to not run a new release at all? Pretty goddamned old for the most part. PC games are set up to run on a spectrum of hardware, from barely running on the minimum spec, to smooth as butter with all of the pretty turned on at the bleeding edge. Just read the box, and you'll generally be fine. And isn't the occasional hardware upgrade part of the fun?
kab: Repo Man: If your video card is more than six months old, it's out of date.This statement hasn't been relevant in years.
Electrify: Quick question: I have an AMD Athlon II x4 635 at 2.9 GHz I think, and was wondering if my system could run games that require at least a Phenom, such as newer COD titles and Planetside 2?
untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.
Jarhead_h: untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.Ding, ding. I believe we have a winner.
lordargent: as a joke once, I played a level in halo using a Guitar Hero guitar ... I would never do that in multiplayer though ... unless I was playing against other people who were using Guitars.
Mike_LowELL: Jarhead_h: untaken_name: Mike_LowELL: You are correct. They are also bad video games.Yes, and fast food is bad food, and it's also more popular than good food. The masses are idiots, man. Rail against it all you want - you won't change it.Ding, ding. I believe we have a winner.It would be, but "it's popular and there's nothing you can do about it" is usually code for "you made fun of something I find enjoyable, so instead of actually rebutting the point at-hand, I'll just point out the futility of making that valid argument". Dumb things get popular, yes. That doesn't make it any less entertaining to crash the party on their worldview.
untaken_name: Sorry, I just have a habit of pointing out that most people's rage and butthurt amounts to farts in the wind. Only because I used to spend time ranting against things, and now I find it more fun to point out that it's completely ineffective, which is itself also completely ineffective, but more fun. You sounded mad, bro, is what I'm saying. I only play flight sims, so it's pretty obvious which side of the "console vs. pc" debate *I'm* gonna be on. Well, and sometimes I break out the old TSR games in the DOSbox, but rarely.
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