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(Jalopnik)   Insane crash marks end of Nationwide race at Daytona. Debris in stands, multiple injuries reported   (jalopnik.com) divider line 580
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2013-02-23 11:25:42 PM

mjones73: I expect them to do something, there's only so much you can do with fencing and still have the crowd be able to see through it though..


Actually, we don't know that.

I've been following racing for decades.  I'm not aware of NASCAR ever spending any real money to engineer, then test better fencing configurations.  They do obvious things, like use thicker metal, but actually giving the problem to engineers?  Actually throwing cars into test fences to see how they hold up?  No, NASCAR has never done that, and they've needed to do that for a long time.

Not saying it will be cheap, but there could certainly be a workable solution which would reduce the potential of big chunks of metal in the grandstand while still allowing the fans to see the race.  It will probably take a multi-tiered approach.  Maybe clear out the first 10 to 15 seats closest to the track, raise fence height, raise the concrete before the fences, improve the fences, change the fence material, improve wheel tethers.

It won't be cheap, which is why it may take a full car going into the grandstands and a dozen dead fans before NASCAR spends the money.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:12 PM
Two people are still in critical condition, one of them a kid.
 
2013-02-23 11:32:02 PM

RandomRandom: mikaloyd: You sound very concerned

NASCAR's been dancing with this particular train for decades.  Anyone closely following the sport knew a car was going into the stands, it was just a matter of time.

NASCAR only reacts to blood.  Maybe this drew enough blood for them to finally spend some damn money testing and developing fencing that can actually stop their cars.


Considering how they're responding to this, I'm not holding my breath.
 
2013-02-23 11:32:37 PM
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2013-02-23 11:38:35 PM

RandomRandom: I'm not aware of NASCAR ever spending any real money to engineer, then test better fencing configurations.


You're right. Other than the cursory improvements we've seen since the Bodine crash there hasn't been much done in that department. A lot of work done of driver saftey though but not much for the fans. Hell, the Carl Edwards wreck a year or two ago should have woke them up but I guess they looked at it and said "see, the fence worked fine." Only barely though imo.

The first thing I would suggest is moving seating back some. Up close and personal is fine until there's a bad accident like today. They could also think about double fencing and plexiglass partions in front of the grandstands at some of the higher speed tracks. I would also suggest extending the top fencing further into the track(to about half track anyway) to stop things like that wheel assembly from going over. Of course it could have just went through the fencing they had in place so I don't know there. These are things that raceways could do but they're gonna' be expensive for sure. maybe it's cheaper to pay the lawsuits that will soon follow instead of correcting these issues.
 
2013-02-23 11:39:07 PM

Mrtraveler01: RandomRandom: mikaloyd: You sound very concerned

NASCAR's been dancing with this particular train for decades. Anyone closely following the sport knew a car was going into the stands, it was just a matter of time.

NASCAR only reacts to blood. Maybe this drew enough blood for them to finally spend some damn money testing and developing fencing that can actually stop their cars.

Considering how they're responding to this, I'm not holding my breath.


The DVD sales of the new fence crash testing would more than pay for the cost of the testing and the installation of whatever new fence comes out of it.
 
2013-02-23 11:43:09 PM
the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing. the thing will be making the fence higher and stronger.

i can remember the 1984 world 600 and standing within inches of the fence at charlotte, among other races standing at the fence. i am sure the fencing is much better in 2013 than it was in 1984.


no wrecks ever came through the fence at any races i ever went to.

/if the fence had been armed this wouldn't have happened
//amirite
 
2013-02-23 11:43:48 PM

draa: RandomRandom: I'm not aware of NASCAR ever spending any real money to engineer, then test better fencing configurations.

You're right. Other than the cursory improvements we've seen since the Bodine crash there hasn't been much done in that department. A lot of work done of driver saftey though but not much for the fans. Hell, the Carl Edwards wreck a year or two ago should have woke them up but I guess they looked at it and said "see, the fence worked fine." Only barely though imo.

The first thing I would suggest is moving seating back some. Up close and personal is fine until there's a bad accident like today. They could also think about double fencing and plexiglass partions in front of the grandstands at some of the higher speed tracks. I would also suggest extending the top fencing further into the track(to about half track anyway) to stop things like that wheel assembly from going over. Of course it could have just went through the fencing they had in place so I don't know there. These are things that raceways could do but they're gonna' be expensive for sure. maybe it's cheaper to pay the lawsuits that will soon follow instead of correcting these issues.


The tire went through the hole in the fence, not over it.

I'm thinking a second wall of fencing would have helped there to catch the smaller items that made it through the first one...
 
2013-02-23 11:44:29 PM

mcmnky: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
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"Transparent aluminum?  So. Is it worth something ta ya...or should I just...punch up clear?"

Why did it have to be transparent?  Were they worried about forgetting there was a whale in the tank if they couldn't see it?


LOL, I never thought about it. Maybe they just wanted to freak the whale out.
 
2013-02-23 11:46:30 PM

mjones73: The tire went through the hole in the fence, not over it.


One tire went through. The second tire went over. With the wheel assembly still attached. There's a pic of it above in this thread and it can clearly be seen in the videos of the wreck.
 
2013-02-23 11:51:10 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing.


It sure looked like it went through it when I rewound and watched it on my DVR a few times. The fences are curved towards the track, it couldn't climb the fence and go over it.
 
2013-02-23 11:52:25 PM

draa: mjones73: The tire went through the hole in the fence, not over it.

One tire went through. The second tire went over. With the wheel assembly still attached. There's a pic of it above in this thread and it can clearly be seen in the videos of the wreck.


I should have said that it's possible that the assembly I was talking about did go through the top fencing but I think it cleared it completely.
 
2013-02-23 11:55:12 PM

Popcorn Johnny: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing.

It sure looked like it went through it when I rewound and watched it on my DVR a few times. The fences are curved towards the track, it couldn't climb the fence and go over it.



Maybe, but from the Speed Channel videos and from what Kyle Petty was saying afterwards I thought over. And there's nothing but cables up that high so you are probably correct.
 
2013-02-23 11:56:00 PM

draa: mjones73: The tire went through the hole in the fence, not over it.

One tire went through. The second tire went over. With the wheel assembly still attached. There's a pic of it above in this thread and it can clearly be seen in the videos of the wreck.


one tire went through but was no where near the fans, as seen in the above pictures. the tire that did the damage cleared the fencing and made into the stands. the tire with the wheel assembly can be seen in cornfed's pic  it didn't make it into the grand stands.
 
2013-02-24 12:02:40 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: the tire with the wheel assembly can be seen in cornfed's pic it didn't make it into the grand stands.


Uh, the one that went over still had both control arms, spindle/hub, brake rotor, and the caliper attached. Kyle Petty was giving the live interveiw on Speed as they hauled it out of row 8-9. He said it weighed about 140lbs with everything attached and it took multiple people to tote it off. The one laying inside of the wall went through the fencing and I didn't see what was still attached to it so I'm not sure what was on it. The one in the stands though was the full assembly plus control arms.
 
2013-02-24 12:04:31 AM

Popcorn Johnny: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing.

It sure looked like it went through it when I rewound and watched it on my DVR a few times. The fences are curved towards the track, it couldn't climb the fence and go over it.


I just watched it again, it went through the fence, you can see it fire straight off the car as it'shiatting the fence like a rocket, not arching over it.
 
2013-02-24 12:05:16 AM
Why did I think of this right away:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJeidYMaks&feature=youtube_gdata_pla y er
 
2013-02-24 12:05:37 AM

mjones73: Popcorn Johnny: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing.

It sure looked like it went through it when I rewound and watched it on my DVR a few times. The fences are curved towards the track, it couldn't climb the fence and go over it.

I just watched it again, it went through the fence, you can see it fire straight off the car as it'shiatting the fence like a rocket, not arching over it.


it'shiatting*

Damn I can't type tonight
 
2013-02-24 12:09:57 AM

mcmnky: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
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"Transparent aluminum?  So. Is it worth something ta ya...or should I just...punch up clear?"

Why did it have to be transparent?  Were they worried about forgetting there was a whale in the tank if they couldn't see it?


They didn't USE transparent aluminum to build the tank ("It would take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix!"), they bartered the formula for it for the plexiglass to build the tank _with_.  I seem to recall in the novelization they already knew the guy was going to go on to invent it down the road anyway, so they were basically closing the loop.
 
2013-02-24 12:10:24 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: one tire went through but was no where near the fans, as seen in the above pictures.


Look at the RandomRandom pic above and you can see it sitting in the stands. Also, Fark has a video in the Sports tab three links above this one where you can clearly see the assembly I'm talking about laying in the middle of people in the stands. With people around it motioning for help. I'm not sure who it hit but it clobbered someone.
 
2013-02-24 12:10:41 AM

mjones73: mjones73: Popcorn Johnny: What_Would_Jimi_Do: the fencing did its job. the tire went over the fencing.

It sure looked like it went through it when I rewound and watched it on my DVR a few times. The fences are curved towards the track, it couldn't climb the fence and go over it.

I just watched it again, it went through the fence, you can see it fire straight off the car as it'shiatting the fence like a rocket, not arching over it.

it'shiatting*

Damn I can't type tonight


I swear I typed that right twice now and it's changing when I hit Add Comment...
 
2013-02-24 12:11:45 AM

draa: Look at the RandomRandom pic above and you can see it sitting in the stands. Also, Fark has a video in the Sports tab three links above this one where you can clearly see the assembly I'm talking about laying in the middle of people in the stands. With people around it motioning for help. I'm not sure who it hit but it clobbered someone.


Sorry, that was the mjones73 post above and not RandomRandom. And thanks again mjones73 for that veiw.
 
2013-02-24 12:13:03 AM

draa: The first thing I would suggest is moving seating back some. Up close and personal is fine until there's a bad accident like today. They could also think about double fencing and plexiglass partions in front of the grandstands at some of the higher speed tracks. I would also suggest extending the top fencing further into the track(to about half track anyway) to stop things like that wheel assembly from going over. Of course it could have just went through the fencing they had in place so I don't know there. These are things that raceways could do but they're gonna' be expensive for sure. maybe it's cheaper to pay the lawsuits that will soon follow instead of correcting these issues.


Yes, all that and more needs to be tested.  First in simulations, then in full scale.   As Anderson's wrote, they could sell DVD's of the full scale tests, maybe even sell tickets.

NASCAR's owners own the two tracks where this problem is mostly likely to kill bunches of people, Daytona and Talladega.  In fact, they own a majority of the tracks at which NASCAR races run.  That's probably a big reason holding any improvement back.

Not only would NASCAR's owners (the France family) have to pay for the fencing R&D, they'd also have to foot most of the bills for actually implementing the engineering recommendations.

You're right that they might prefer to pay the lawsuits, hopefully their insurers won't.  Were I in charge of insuring NASCAR, I'd tell them to get their shiat together or call Lloyds of London, see what kind of rates the high-risk market is wiling to give them.  As things stand now, NASCAR truly ought to be paying insanely ridiculous insurance rates.
 
2013-02-24 12:14:04 AM

draa: draa: Look at the RandomRandom pic above and you can see it sitting in the stands. Also, Fark has a video in the Sports tab three links above this one where you can clearly see the assembly I'm talking about laying in the middle of people in the stands. With people around it motioning for help. I'm not sure who it hit but it clobbered someone.

Sorry, that was the mjones73 post above and not RandomRandom. And thanks again mjones73 for that veiw.


No problem, I kept seeing top views, assumed it was just the tire and hub, found that one with some google searching. Whoever took the hit from that is lucky to be alive.
 
2013-02-24 12:14:34 AM

mjones73: I swear I typed that right twice now and it's changing when I hit Add Comment...


Yeah, this new format has been a biatch getting used to. Thankfully I'm not of FARK that often other than to lurk.
 
2013-02-24 12:18:28 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Mrtraveler01: RandomRandom: mikaloyd: You sound very concerned

NASCAR's been dancing with this particular train for decades. Anyone closely following the sport knew a car was going into the stands, it was just a matter of time.

NASCAR only reacts to blood. Maybe this drew enough blood for them to finally spend some damn money testing and developing fencing that can actually stop their cars.

Considering how they're responding to this, I'm not holding my breath.

The DVD sales of the new fence crash testing would more than pay for the cost of the testing and the installation of whatever new fence comes out of it.


Nice, I occasionally watch a little bit of a race here and there but I'm not a fan by any means.  Watching the fence testing would be a lot of fun.
 
2013-02-24 12:21:58 AM

mjones73: I swear I typed that right twice now and it's changing when I hit Add Comment...


It's filtering the word sh*t.
 
2013-02-24 12:24:07 AM

RandomRandom: draa: The first thing I would suggest is moving seating back some. Up close and personal is fine until there's a bad accident like today. They could also think about double fencing and plexiglass partions in front of the grandstands at some of the higher speed tracks. I would also suggest extending the top fencing further into the track(to about half track anyway) to stop things like that wheel assembly from going over. Of course it could have just went through the fencing they had in place so I don't know there. These are things that raceways could do but they're gonna' be expensive for sure. maybe it's cheaper to pay the lawsuits that will soon follow instead of correcting these issues.

Yes, all that and more needs to be tested.  First in simulations, then in full scale.   As Anderson's wrote, they could sell DVD's of the full scale tests, maybe even sell tickets.

NASCAR's owners own the two tracks where this problem is mostly likely to kill bunches of people, Daytona and Talladega.  In fact, they own a majority of the tracks at which NASCAR races run.  That's probably a big reason holding any improvement back.

Not only would NASCAR's owners (the France family) have to pay for the fencing R&D, they'd also have to foot most of the bills for actually implementing the engineering recommendations.

You're right that they might prefer to pay the lawsuits, hopefully their insurers won't.  Were I in charge of insuring NASCAR, I'd tell them to get their shiat together or call Lloyds of London, see what kind of rates the high-risk market is wiling to give them.  As things stand now, NASCAR truly ought to be paying insanely ridiculous insurance rates.


To be honest I worry about the same thing happening in Gainsville at the GatorNationals. We always sit near the end of the 1000ft and sometimes when my kids are there I have nightmares about what might happen. There's only a 3 1/2 foot track wall and a 4 1/2 foot chainlink fence seperating the cars from the people. Anton Brown's accident last week in Pomona brought those thoughts back to my mind since I'm heading to Gainsville next month. With the speeds cars are running now-a-days some of the old tracks and their seating arrangments need to be reworked for sure. In both series I think.
 
2013-02-24 12:26:44 AM

kronicfeld: Bit'O'Gristle: Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.

That's an idiotic comment. Perhaps the film crew has the slightest modicum of respect for people who are actively receiving medical attention?


/Wow are you stupid. You don't believe that they control the cameras?  They TOLD them not to show anyone injured. Bank on it. Their wallet comes first.
 
2013-02-24 12:27:58 AM

taliesinwi: mcmnky: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
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"Transparent aluminum?  So. Is it worth something ta ya...or should I just...punch up clear?"

Why did it have to be transparent?  Were they worried about forgetting there was a whale in the tank if they couldn't see it?

They didn't USE transparent aluminum to build the tank ("It would take years just to figure out the dynamics of this matrix!"), they bartered the formula for it for the plexiglass to build the tank _with_.  I seem to recall in the novelization they already knew the guy was going to go on to invent it down the road anyway, so they were basically closing the loop.


If memory serves, they had to give out the formula because plexiglass required the hold that volume of water would be too thick.  (Of course, they did not say why.)

So if aluminum could hold withstand the required pressures within the desired thickness, why not use regular aluminum?  Why did it have to be transparent?

And I don't think they knew that guy had invented it, they just rationalized that they didn't know he hadn't.

Unfortunately we'll never get a trekker in to a NASCAR thread to settle it. ;)
 
2013-02-24 12:31:36 AM
They used clear because the Plexiglass is lighter than aluminum, was easier to get in large sections at the time, and made for a better visual in the movie.

Also, they had no currency, so they used the only thing they could which was the transparent aluminum formula.

Sure they had other options but given the constraints they did what they had to.
 
2013-02-24 12:34:21 AM

Popcorn Johnny: So now video you shoot on your phone isn't even yours?


Not if you're shooting someone else's copyrighted material.  Gee, you thought you could shoot cam in that movie theater? Or at a performance by that stand-up comic?

No.  Not yours. Any more than you could sell a book because you made copies on your photocopier.
 
2013-02-24 12:35:41 AM

RandomRandom: mikaloyd: You sound very concerned

NASCAR's been dancing with this particular train for decades.  Anyone closely following the sport knew a car was going into the stands, it was just a matter of time.

NASCAR only reacts to blood.  Maybe this drew enough blood for them to finally spend some damn money testing and developing fencing that can actually stop their cars.


very VERY concerned
 
2013-02-24 12:40:09 AM

mikaloyd: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x546]


Huh, there's an access gate there, where the wire ropes aren't continuous through that area. Weak point?
 
2013-02-24 12:48:14 AM
Meh, if a NASCAR fan dies because of this, well lets face it, nothing important will have been lost.
 
2013-02-24 12:48:19 AM

Glendale: mikaloyd: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x546]

Huh, there's an access gate there, where the wire ropes aren't continuous through that area. Weak point?


The pole being sheared off just then seems weak too
 
2013-02-24 12:51:43 AM

mikaloyd: very VERY concerned


I don't know about concern, but it is troubling.  You aren't troubled by it?  It's a troubling trouble.

/Trouble
 
2013-02-24 12:55:06 AM

MisterRonbo: Not if you're shooting someone else's copyrighted material.  Gee, you thought you could shoot cam in that movie theater? Or at a performance by that stand-up comic?


Streaming a movie and posting it online is a hell of a lot different than a brief clip of a sporting event. There are countless clips from baseball, football, hockey and other sports on Youtube and I've never seen anybody biatch. NASCAR was in panic mode and foolishly trying to wipe out all video of the accident as if they actually could.
 
2013-02-24 12:55:44 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Streaming a movie and posting it online is a hell of a lot different than a brief clip of a sporting event. There are countless clips from baseball, football, hockey and other sports on Youtube and I've never seen anybody biatch. NASCAR was in panic mode and foolishly trying to wipe out all video of the accident as if they actually could.


Yuuuup.
 
2013-02-24 12:59:04 AM
After reading the comments here, I really am shocked at the ignorance of people when it comes to NASCAR.  This was the Nationwide series, NASCAR's minor league circuit.  The cars were  completely redesigned last year for this series to make them safer for the drivers.  This crash happened at one of the few places on the track fence that has a gate built into it.  The fence is reenforced by two inch steel cable run horizontally every three feet.  At the gates, the cables are looped and held together by large pins. and more cables.  This car hit just right and it ripped the front end off of it.  The tire, hub, brake and suspension assembly flew into the stands and hurt these people.  It took FIVE men to carry it down to the truck.  The fence did what it was designed to do, it stopped the car itself from going into the stands and kept the engine from killing someone.  Saying all of that, Daytona is one of two super speedways on the circuit, the other is Talladega.  Carl Edwards' car went airborne a few years back and the fence kept him from going into the crowd.  He did not hit near the gate area.  I see a change in the fence coming possibly removing the gates and changing the fence material close to the crowd to something stronger.  NASCAR learns very quickly from crashes and will respond by making a change.  The year that Edwards flew into the fence, a rule change went into effect putting a spoiler on the car instead of a wing that caught air when the cars spun around.  The big race is tomorrow, with faster and more powerful cars with mostly more experienced drivers.  I understand that many people look at race fans as ignorant rednecks, but some of us are college educated with many years of mechanical experience.  How many people are injured at baseball games every year from foul balls?  I know that I am going to get flame-sprayed by the trolls out there, but I had to say something.  By the way, I was supposed to be at that race and had to cancel because of medical issues. The tire came to rest just a few rows from where I sat for this race last year, and would have been today.
 
2013-02-24 01:04:58 AM

mcmnky: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:
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"Transparent aluminum?  So. Is it worth something ta ya...or should I just...punch up clear?"

Why did it have to be transparent?  Were they worried about forgetting there was a whale in the tank if they couldn't see it?


Because it was one third the thickness of the acrylic sheets needed to hold the same volume of water.
 
2013-02-24 01:09:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: mjones73: I swear I typed that right twice now and it's changing when I hit Add Comment...

It's filtering the word sh*t.


My personal favorite WTF Fark Filter moment was when someone's post about cracking an egg, only to discover a second egg within the first, showed up as "an egg with anothenaibunside of it."

"Naibun" being "nubian" backwards, and "nubian" being the filter's replacement for the N-word, and since the filter reads backwards and ignores spaces, you cannot place the word "another" and the word "egg" and the word "inside" sequentially.

Anyway, welcome to Fark, my attractive and successful African-American.
 
2013-02-24 01:28:20 AM

sulco: I was working Flutag in '88 at Ramstein when the Italians mucked up their routine


We almost went that day. Later, we decided to go to the Commissary. We were in the traffic jam on the road leading to the base when it happened.

Not a good day.
 
2013-02-24 01:30:58 AM
Needs a "Just Desserts" tag.
 
2013-02-24 01:34:13 AM

oldsylr: I understand that many people look at race fans as ignorant rednecks, but some of us are college educated with many years of mechanical experience.


Great post and while I don't think you were talking about me maybe you should calm down some. It's not worth it really. Besides, it's FARK so I expect some people to be ignorant but the rest of us/them aren't like that. We know it takes years to get to where those NASCAR guys are at. Or at least I do since I once thought about that profession years ago. Plus, I think the chance to be ignorant is what brings most people to FARK.

CSB/ I've actually had 2 cars that I've worked with race in the 24Hrs of Daytona, the 12Hrs of Sebring, a Miami race, a New Orleans race and I had the chance to work in the 24 HoD pits for a GT Porsche team about 5 years ago. It's not much but it's something I'm proud of. Most of my work has been on the local short tracks in the N Florida area. Dirt and Asphalt. With that said even I know people on here are just being Farkers because it's what Farkers do. I wouldn't want it any other way because that's what makes FARK fun.

/not college educated as my spelling proves
//but I am a damn good alignment/suspension tech with over 30 years of experience who knows my profession very well
 
2013-02-24 01:49:28 AM
The fear of Talladega safety @ it's inaugural race led to the 1st driver's strike...& subsequent on-the-spot France scabs

Slaves2Darkness Meh, if a NASCAR fan dies because of this, well lets face it, nothing important will have been lost.

You's trollin'...but if any of these go to trial all they'll need will be 11 more like you, or 5 if they just wanna hang it
 
2013-02-24 02:01:31 AM

Popcorn Johnny: MisterRonbo: Not if you're shooting someone else's copyrighted material.  Gee, you thought you could shoot cam in that movie theater? Or at a performance by that stand-up comic?

Streaming a movie and posting it online is a hell of a lot different than a brief clip of a sporting event. There are countless clips from baseball, football, hockey and other sports on Youtube and I've never seen anybody biatch. NASCAR was in panic mode and foolishly trying to wipe out all video of the accident as if they actually could.


I'm no expert on the subject, but this isn't unique to racing:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/technology/2009/04/my_youtube_shame_part_t w o.html

I also would hardly call it panic mode.  They have a valuable brand.  They want to protect it.  Heck, video of crashes is in itself a highly valuable property and they may want to sell crash videos, who knows.

In any event, no, buying a ticket to the performance doesn't get you film rights.  If you can claim it is in the context of a review or some other piece of independent work, you might have some legitimate grounds. But just posting a clip?

I went to Cirque du Soleil a couple of weeks ago.  Live performance.  People could get hurt.  Should I be allowed to video it? How much can I put online from a two and a half hour show?  A minute?  Five minutes?   150 videos of one minute long each?

Or, maybe, none, because the ticket comes with a restriction that says no filming.
 
2013-02-24 02:13:03 AM

MisterRonbo: I also would hardly call it panic mode.  They have a valuable brand.  They want to protect it.  Heck, video of crashes is in itself a highly valuable property and they may want to sell crash videos, who knows.


You can go on Youtube and find all kinds of spectator shot videos of pretty much every race in the past 5 years. NASCAR doesn't give a crap about any of those being up, they obviously cared about this one.
 
2013-02-24 02:46:51 AM

Popcorn Johnny: MisterRonbo: I also would hardly call it panic mode.  They have a valuable brand.  They want to protect it.  Heck, video of crashes is in itself a highly valuable property and they may want to sell crash videos, who knows.

You can go on Youtube and find all kinds of spectator shot videos of pretty much every race in the past 5 years. NASCAR doesn't give a crap about any of those being up, they obviously cared about this one.


I agree, NASCAR was in panic mode.

Google has now reversed NASCAR's copyright claim and has made the fan video live again.  Google says NASCAR does not have a valid copyright claim on this video. Good on Google.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be
 
2013-02-24 02:59:05 AM

Popcorn Johnny: MisterRonbo: I also would hardly call it panic mode.  They have a valuable brand.  They want to protect it.  Heck, video of crashes is in itself a highly valuable property and they may want to sell crash videos, who knows.

You can go on Youtube and find all kinds of spectator shot videos of pretty much every race in the past 5 years. NASCAR doesn't give a crap about any of those being up, they obviously cared about this one.


Yes, because they could never change their policy and decide to exercise tighter control over their property.

"Next time one of these crashes happen, here's what we're going to do..."

I'm not claiming they have a legal right to do so (though, given our ridiculous laws on intellectual property, they probably do).  I'm saying it makes sense from a business POV
 
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