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2013-02-23 07:49:01 PM

MFAWG: Great Porn Dragon: BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.

Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)

Happened at Charlotte too, years after F1 mandated tire tethers.

Not sure how well tethers would work on a full body car though?


From my understanding, per Matchett, they're not so much to prevent seperation, but to absorb energy if they do. For many situations, they do keep the wheel assembly attached, but if they don't they still remove a lot of energy from it
 
2013-02-23 07:49:29 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media and other people to cross the track after/before events.


It's a crossover gate. And it's in the worst place possible imo. It creates a weak sopt in the catch fencing and as bad luck would have it the car today hit that spot. It should be moved after this incident though but I doubt they'll change anything.
 
2013-02-23 07:50:30 PM

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


Having been pretty damn close to one of those fences, both before and after the changes that resulted from the Bodine crash...actually, no, it isn't; it's quite a bit reinforced, with some chain-link heavily interwoven with very heavy steel cable both horizontally and vertically.

This is, quite literally, the first incident of its kind in the modern era (which included the whole goddamn engine and tires flying into the crowds) I've seen in NASCAR--it's more common in IRL; in NASCAR, it's usually parts of the bodywork that end up in the crowd in the event the car ends up in the chain fence, not major parts like the tires and engine and such.

(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing) and the other involving Geoff Bodine in a truck race at Daytona (which also ended his career, did result in injuries to the crowd as the truck exploded against the catch fencing, and which resulted in some major reinforcements and retrofitting at NASCAR tracks).  Then again, unfortunately, the track record of safety advances tends to be F1 then IRL then NASCAR being one of the last motorsports associations to adopt them...usually after a death.)
 
2013-02-23 07:50:57 PM

Tellingthem: Kurohone: BronyMedic: Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself, especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.

It's sad this happened, but do people really expect different when it involves just ONE inadvertent right turn to send car parts flying at 200 mph?

Really?  You don't get why your pock mocking NASCAR fans by implying that they would be cheering at people getting injured would be offensive?

And no, you really don't expect this at all.  I've been watching races, live and n TV, for 2 decades now.  I don't even need to move to my toes to count the number of times I've seen accidents ilke this, where the spectators get involved.  It's horrific.  Driver injuries, even deaths, you learn to expect.  But they are taking the risks, and getting the rewards.  The spectators don't expect this, no more than that little girl at a hockey game expected to die, no more than a person at a baseball game expects major reconstructive surgery after a bat goes into the stands.

Actually you should. I used to bring my baseball glove with me to catch pucks that flew into the crowd. Seen more than a few people get popped in the face by not paying attention. And yes when you go to baseball games you should watch out for bats and balls flying into the crowd as well. It's part of the sport. And unless you want to install fences around every single crowd those things will continue to happen. Same with racing. Even as a kid I knew that when going to an auto race parts flying into the crowd was a possibility.

Now they should always try to improve on safety at these events. And any negligence should be punished. but if you want to be 100% safe at any event stay home and watch it on tv.


Also there is a gate at the post the car hit first that was taken out, it is a pass thru so when events happen were NASCAR wants people in the stands to be able to get down from the stands to see, like the concert before the race!
 
2013-02-23 07:51:14 PM

Mister Peejay: DerPups: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

Le Mans

ftfm

Google it.  It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.


i could have sworn that was ChumpCar...

google it... same basic concept
 
2013-02-23 07:51:22 PM

ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow


In all honesty, this is a thing that has happened at motorsports events every now and again for over a century, and often far, far worse than this one was.

Everyone understands that.
 
2013-02-23 07:52:16 PM
Man after reading some of these posts I now realize this country is full of pansies shiat happens all the time. Overall the racing industry is very safe but somtimes bad things happen.
 
2013-02-23 07:52:43 PM

rhiannon: draa: Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.

I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.

CSB



Thanks for that since I forgot it. And you forgot FTFY, too, so there.
 
2013-02-23 07:54:11 PM

draa: Some Bass Playing Guy: From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media and other people to cross the track after/before events.

It's a crossover gate. And it's in the worst place possible imo. It creates a weak sopt in the catch fencing and as bad luck would have it the car today hit that spot. It should be moved after this incident though but I doubt they'll change anything.


They are removing it for tomorrows race.
 
2013-02-23 07:56:32 PM

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


Would you like to bet that NASCAR is "self insured" otherwise the premiums would be so high NASCAR would have gone broke in it's earliest years!
 
2013-02-23 07:57:14 PM

draa: Ima4nic8or: I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.


There still very little chance of fans getting hurt at races. Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further. Certainly, you have to do what you think is right, but it seems like an over reaction to me.

re: Crossover gate

Yeah, I couldn't think of the right word for that.
 
2013-02-23 08:00:50 PM

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


You sound very concerned
 
2013-02-23 08:00:53 PM
 
2013-02-23 08:01:39 PM

mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.


Just want to make sure the death toll is high enough
 
2013-02-23 08:04:39 PM

GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.


It's not a chain-link fence.
The fence probably would have held, but the car went through a gate in the fence.  It probably was the gate that failed.
 
2013-02-23 08:06:16 PM
With time to calm down and have a few drinks: shiat happens. Hell of a bad spot for a cross-over gate, and the plates really don't help, but this was a freak incident.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:51 PM
Great Porn Dragon:
(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing)

Just some clarification.....Allisons wreck at Talladega [1987] was the reason NASCAR went to restrictor plates, but the wreck that seriously injured him [TBI] happened at Pocono the following year.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:59 PM

HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.


Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.
 
2013-02-23 08:10:33 PM

BeSerious: I hope they ban the sport.


You're too generous.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for my workout. Gonna take the Honda up to 7-11.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:47 PM
Meanwhile, in sweden

l1.yimg.com
 
2013-02-23 08:12:04 PM

Some Bass Playing Guy: Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further.


That's what we always tried to do but as I said, you have to walk down the fence line to even go to the bathroom or concessions. Instead of moving the seating back some distance from the track they still have it pinned up against it. There's also cops and track staff that stand down their to keep people from standing there. I wouldn't be suprised if some of them were the ones injured today since they are directly in the line of fire in this type accident. Not to mention that most people start to leave before the race ends and there's always a crowd down ther along that fence at that time.
 
2013-02-23 08:13:59 PM

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes, I was awake, off from work, bored, and saw a FARK thread.

And it was a boring race punctuated by three large accidents. That's what plate racing is... long stretches of bredom followed by massive accidents where someone winds up hurt or dead.

It's not real racing, and if the tracks can't be made to work without plates, bulldoze 'em and build a North Wilkesboro clone.


Doesn't appear you know very much about NASCAR racing at all. The Sprint Cup cars are the only ones that use restricter plates and they are to reduce horsepower. Nationwide cars and the truck series do not make nearly as much horsepower and therefore do not need plates!
bredom?
 
2013-02-23 08:14:18 PM

draa: Some Bass Playing Guy: Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further.

There's also cops and track staff that stand down their there to keep people from standing there.


FTFM.
 
2013-02-23 08:14:59 PM

Chevello: HempHead: Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


Nicely done.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:36 PM

Fiction Fan: [www.exoticcarresource.com image 850x637]
Stop whining, you bunch of pussies.


Sorry ... I could not hear you over the sound of Hamster screaming terror while laps in a trainer car.

rearwheelhorsepower.com
 
2013-02-23 08:18:31 PM

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.


Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.


I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

l2.yimg.com

"I won...I guess."
 
2013-02-23 08:18:52 PM

MFAWG: ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow

In all honesty, this is a thing that has happened at motorsports events every now and again for over a century, and often far, far worse than this one was.

Everyone understands that.


Tell that to the folks in the hospital.

/sounds like you need some straight talk
 
2013-02-23 08:19:01 PM

mikaloyd: cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?

Jeff Burton will win tomorrow


You spelled Larry Stewart wrong....
 
2013-02-23 08:19:22 PM

Chevello: HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


It got better....
 
2013-02-23 08:20:03 PM

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

Ok, so not "Lamaze," which is a gruesome race filled with blood, shiat, screaming, sweat, terrifying contorted faces, and wraps up with stuff like this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 788x600]
/Just wanted to be sure.


Shiny Schultz!
 
2013-02-23 08:20:23 PM

Chevello: Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


But IF it was a wood duck, it would float, right?
 
2013-02-23 08:20:49 PM

Mister Peejay: Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: *sigh*

You apparently don't understand the reference.

Listen, pal, in my home country of What we only speak two languages:  English, and Bad English.


Do you also listen to both kinds of music?
 
2013-02-23 08:20:58 PM

catastrophe averted: mikaloyd: cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?

Jeff Burton will win tomorrow

You spelled Larry Stewart wrong....


LOL
 
2013-02-23 08:21:12 PM
Talking about Daytona, I for one am glad the greatest driver of all was not involved  in this fiasco at all..

www.healthforthewholeself.com
 
2013-02-23 08:24:16 PM

DerPups: Mister Peejay: It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.

i could have sworn that was ChumpCar...

google it... same basic concept


ChumpCar is for people who actually want to race, not play derp-de-doo parade charades.
 
2013-02-23 08:24:27 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video is near the bottom of this page. Try deleting this one, NASCAR.


Anyone who goes to a race and then cheers when there is a crash deserves to be set on fire.
 
2013-02-23 08:27:08 PM

Pole Lock: I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.


Bring a kevlar blanket like it's a Gallagher show.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:35 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Talking about Daytona, I for one am glad the greatest driver of all was not involved  in this fiasco at all..


You mean the one who shut her own car off and thought the engine was blown when it wasn't? Yeah,great driver.
 
2013-02-23 08:31:07 PM
Do the first dozen or so rows at a nascar event have signs like the "splash zone" at the Shamu show?

"Warning: You May Get Engine Below This Level"
 
2013-02-23 08:31:51 PM
i.imgur.com


Shrugs wryly.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:04 PM

germ78: Pole Lock: I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.

Bring a kevlar blanket like it's a Gallagher show.


awesome.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:15 PM
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my photoshop skills are limited to paint,  but if some one could shop   "LINK BROKEN"  I  would be willing to offer one free internet and even give up my window seat for a center seat.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:46 PM

Triumph: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.

Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.

I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

[l2.yimg.com image 512x388]

"I won...I guess."


img.photobucket.com

"they puttin' mustard on that?"
 
2013-02-23 08:34:02 PM
Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(
 
2013-02-23 08:34:48 PM

ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow


The first rule of show business is: the show must go on.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:43 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/Or, in other words:
//Crap.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:52 PM

snark puppet: Great Porn Dragon:
(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing)

Just some clarification.....Allisons wreck at Talladega [1987] was the reason NASCAR went to restrictor plates, but the wreck that seriously injured him [TBI] happened at Pocono the following year.


Gah, thanks for the clarification (I'm just old enough I think my mind is starting to mix up dates, LOL).

Still, jeebus, freakish wreck today.  Hope that all will survive and make full recoveries (and count me as also worried re the cameraman in particular)...
 
2013-02-23 08:39:57 PM

kriegfusion: What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.


/clicks "funny"
 
2013-02-23 08:42:43 PM
Still safer than watching and airshow. That said, probably raise the retaining wall by a few feet to help contain flying cars. Also, severely punish whoever caused the wreck, like ban them for the season.
 
2013-02-23 08:46:52 PM

Captain Steroid: Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(


I haven't seen a death reported and pray we won't.
 
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