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(Jalopnik)   Insane crash marks end of Nationwide race at Daytona. Debris in stands, multiple injuries reported   (jalopnik.com ) divider line 579
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2013-02-23 06:34:04 PM  
Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?
 
2013-02-23 06:34:52 PM  

phrawgh: Women drivers...


useless commenters
 
2013-02-23 06:35:31 PM  

roadpuppets: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.

Jesus Christ, who would want to read what you post about anything?


Certainly not sensitive turn left, repeat fans.
 
2013-02-23 06:35:31 PM  

Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.


That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.
 
2013-02-23 06:36:55 PM  

italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?


Near the bottom of the page. Link
 
2013-02-23 06:37:21 PM  

Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.


it's spelled, "LeMans"
 
2013-02-23 06:37:57 PM  

DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"


Le Mans

ftfm
 
2013-02-23 06:38:01 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


They drove bumper-to-bumper and he then gave him a little nudge?
Now I hope the state trooper is going to write him a ticket for such reckless driving.
 
2013-02-23 06:38:33 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: killershark: I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.

Because the owners will just put the guys from the BGN series in the cars and run 'em. Happened the last time drivers walked out because of safety concerns, and it would happen again.

Sponsors, you know.

Hell, loss of sponsor money and contracts would keep drivers from sitting out a race.


Agreed, and that's unfortunate when the sport puts money ahead of safety. But I just can't see someone like Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson taking a small hit to sit out a race without fans and the media taking notice. I think it could a PR nightmare for sponsors if they threaten to pull Dale Jr.'s contract if he sits out a race because he wants fans to be safe in the stands.
 
2013-02-23 06:39:12 PM  
How did my gal Danica make out in this race?
 
2013-02-23 06:39:54 PM  

Radioactive Ass: GRCooper: Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.

I noticed that too. If I had to guess I'd say that he's the one in surgery with the head trauma.


This suggests he's, relatively, okay
 
2013-02-23 06:40:47 PM  
7pm press conference according to Speed.
 
2013-02-23 06:41:06 PM  

ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!


Just watched the sukhoi 2006 one. good lord. dead children, pieces of mangled flesh, severed limbs, long streaks of what used to be people on the ground...
 
2013-02-23 06:42:22 PM  
I think, technically, it was the first car accross the line that ended the race or did they wave the flag before he got there?
 
2013-02-23 06:42:57 PM  
If I ever watch NASCAR, which is almost never, I do so for the wrecks. If idiot drivers want to call themselves athletes and try to kill each other, that is their choice. However, when they go out and harm fans that is another story. I am sure it was 100% unintentional, but I have a gut feeling NASCAR officials recognize the allure of fiery crashes and try to capitalize on it.
 
2013-02-23 06:42:57 PM  

Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?


Her car had mechanical difficulties and she went to the garage somewhere in the middle of the race. I wasn't watching, but Mr. Jessica Farker had it on out in the front room and regularly gave me updates.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:30 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


This race was a nationwide series(formerly Bush Grand national) and not a sprint cup(formerly winston cup) so its like a minor league baseball game.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.


We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?
 
2013-02-23 06:44:47 PM  

parkerlewis: We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?


This thread is now ponies?
 
2013-02-23 06:44:49 PM  
There was a caution flag within the last 10-15 laps of the race to bring the racing field together before the last few laps?  That way the crowd could see the cars racing neck and neck at the end of the race? Color me SHOCKED.

% of NASCAR races with a yellow flag within the last 10-15 laps: ....[something ridiculously high]
 
2013-02-23 06:45:07 PM  

Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?


She turned off her ignition by accident and thought her engine was blown, so she pulled into the garage and basically took herself out of the race.
 
2013-02-23 06:45:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.

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*sigh*

RandomRandom: Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump. Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier. The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.

F1 wheels are held on by safety tethers made of one of the strongest substances known to man.  Yet F1 wheels still go flying in accidents similar to this one.  It's doubtful F1's tethers would have kept these wheels from flying into the grandstands.


The point I was trying to make is that F1 does not tether the wheel, it tethers the UPRIGHT to the car, since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links.  Circle track cars have much more robust suspension design because the cars are heavier, run on banking, introduce suspension loads differently to begin with (coils and shocks directly on the lower arms instead of tension rods going straight from the uprights to inboard shocks), and have to deal with "contact" on an extremely regular basis.  When a wheel comes off of a circle track car, it's generally only that, not the entire corner of the suspension.

None of that is really relevant, since the car so thoroughly disassembled itself.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:18 PM  

duenor: ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!

Just watched the sukhoi 2006 one. good lord. dead children, pieces of mangled flesh, severed limbs, long streaks of what used to be people on the ground...


just horrible images you'll never forget.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:37 PM  

Donnchadha: parkerlewis: We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?

This thread is now ponies?


This thread started off beneath ponies dignity levels. If a pony showed up now you know its a whorse.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:44 PM  

Mister Peejay: *sigh*


You apparently don't understand the reference.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:55 PM  
At least the sponsors got their money's worth.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?

Near the bottom of the page. Link


Just as the crash started "WHOOOO Here we go!"

That tune changed quick. Yikes.

Shame on Speed and NASCAR for most of the reporting being about the heroic efforts of the welders fixing the track for tomorrow and yanking any video.about it. Image and profits above all else. Fark NASCAR.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:25 PM  
Mister Peejay:  since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links.

They should use that Stainmaster stuff, really holds up well!
 
2013-02-23 06:49:17 PM  

Mister Peejay: The point I was trying to make is that F1 does not tether the wheel, it tethers the UPRIGHT to the car, since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links. Circle track cars have much more robust suspension design because the cars are heavier, run on banking, introduce suspension loads differently to begin with (coils and shocks directly on the lower arms instead of tension rods going straight from the uprights to inboard shocks), and have to deal with "contact" on an extremely regular basis. When a wheel comes off of a circle track car, it's generally only that, not the entire corner of the suspension.

None of that is really relevant, since the car so thoroughly disassembled itself.


Yes, I realized the differences you were addressing.

My point was that even if an F1 style wheel tether could somehow have been attached to just the wheels of that NASCAR vehicle, it would have been very unlikely to have kept those wheels out of the grandstand.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:28 PM  

Sarah Jessica Farker: Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?

Her car had mechanical difficulties and she went to the garage somewhere in the middle of the race. I wasn't watching, but Mr. Jessica Farker had it on out in the front room and regularly gave me updates.


I am completely shocked by her results today.

/not shocked
 
2013-02-23 06:50:15 PM  

DerPups: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

Le Mans

ftfm


Google it.  It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:40 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?

Near the bottom of the page. Link


Thanks. Amazing how fast that happened. Hope everyone comes out of it OK.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:43 PM  
I hope everyone's okay.

Here's a similarly nuts crash from the NASCAR truck series a while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmT3gQQdJm4&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-02-23 06:51:58 PM  

JonBuck: I haven't watched racing for ~15 years. I didn't recall cars racing together that closely at the time.


1983
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1979
static.ddmcdn.com

1974
static.ddmcdn.com

1960
www.curbsideclassic.com
 
2013-02-23 06:52:15 PM  
For those wanting gory pictures of the accident from the stands, this just in from the INS press service

fc01.deviantart.net
 
2013-02-23 06:53:36 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: *sigh*

You apparently don't understand the reference.


Listen, pal, in my home country of What we only speak two languages:  English, and Bad English.
 
2013-02-23 06:55:55 PM  

DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"


I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
 
2013-02-23 06:57:55 PM  
So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?
 
2013-02-23 06:58:29 PM  

Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


During Concours week at Pebble Beach there are tons of car events going on all over the peninsula... Classic car races at Laguna Seca, auctions all over Monterey, car shows everywhere in Pacific Grove and Carmel, rides up and down the coast to Big Sur... and The Concours de Lemons on Highway 68. It's a pretty nice alternative to the snootyness at Pebble.
 
2013-02-23 06:59:42 PM  

Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


Holy crap i had no idea they did this. I think I got a summer project for myself!
 
2013-02-23 06:59:49 PM  

dickfreckle: Jesus, that's awful. I know that race fans love crashes (whether they admit or not) but there comes a point when a crash is no longer entertainment.


Sometime before that flying tire takes your head off, I would think.
 
2013-02-23 07:01:10 PM  

Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?
 
2013-02-23 07:02:50 PM  
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2013-02-23 07:03:31 PM  

Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?


There certainly wouldn't be as much kinetic energy, so if all else was equal it wouldn't have nearly the chance of such horrific results.  Same car going 140 instead of 180 only has about 61% of the kinetic energy.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:48 PM  
they are doing a press release now
http://www.nascar.com/presspass
 
2013-02-23 07:06:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]


I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

i129.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 07:06:35 PM  

puffy999: Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?



I'm not sure fiesta is the right word, it's really more like a party.
 
2013-02-23 07:07:41 PM  
Nevermind the rampant carnage, engine smashing through a fence, and two dozen-plus injuries (14 treated at track, another dozen-plus taken to hospital), NASCAR SAYS THE TRACK WILL BE READY FOR TOMORROW!
 
2013-02-23 07:07:45 PM  

Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?


They have those kind of races. It's called your local short track.
 
2013-02-23 07:08:03 PM  

Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.


Troll mode not functioning...

KINDA TURE.
 
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