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2013-02-23 07:08:03 PM  

Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.


Troll mode not functioning...

KINDA TURE.
 
2013-02-23 07:08:09 PM  

puffy999: Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?


I think it's Portuguese for "24 Hours of The Mons".
 
2013-02-23 07:08:14 PM  

kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]


I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"
 
2013-02-23 07:10:33 PM  
This press conference is a joke.
 
2013-02-23 07:11:15 PM  
Well, that was a worthless 'press conference' ...

/not that I had high expectations
 
2013-02-23 07:12:01 PM  
NASCAR *actually* managing to make it WORSE for themselves with this press conference.  This is quickly turning into one of the most epic PR disasters I've seen in ages.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:06 PM  
My take from this "news conference" is that Joey Chitwood is a gigantic douche.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:25 PM  

mikaloyd: they are doing a press release now
http://www.nascar.com/presspass


Jesus Christ.  Watched 15 seconds of that:

"We're getting the track repaired. We're definitely going to be able to put on tomorrow's money maker.  Questions?"
"Do we know about the condition of fans that were injured?"
"That's not a hair question."
"What type of precautions do you take to avoid this type of incident?"
That's not a hair question."

/basically the same kind of response
 
2013-02-23 07:13:08 PM  

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


I am not convinced this is a case of NASCAR being cheap.  Like any large organization they no doubt have risk managment policies in place and decide where to spend on safety based on tools like FMEA.  Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.  So they probably invest money on safety improvements where they will do the most good.  Despite the crash being very high profile I would bet there are actually much more significant safety risks at the typical track.  In fact I would bet more fans probably got hurt through slips and falls, or fistfights, or alcohol overdoses on the same day the crash occured.  So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:51 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?

They have those kind of races. It's called your local short track.


True, but those surely don't get the R&D spending that the NASCAR series do.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:55 PM  

Bane of Broone: kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]

I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"


What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:07 PM  

penguin31: Nevermind the rampant carnage, engine smashing through a fence, and two dozen-plus injuries (14 treated at track, another dozen-plus taken to hospital), NASCAR SAYS THE TRACK WILL BE READY FOR TOMORROW!


Is that a problem?
 
2013-02-23 07:15:20 PM  

This is a late parrot: This press conference is a joke.


Well due to HIPAA there is not a lot they can say even if they wanted to.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:56 PM  
2 fans in critical. 1 is a minor.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:09 PM  

kriegfusion: Bane of Broone: kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]

I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"

What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.


No clue. I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:12 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: upload.wikimedia.org
/Just wanted to be sure.


Hurrrkkk
 
2013-02-23 07:19:38 PM  

penguin31: NASCAR *actually* managing to make it WORSE for themselves with this press conference.  This is quickly turning into one of the most epic PR disasters I've seen in ages.


What about that poop deck/cruise thing I had been reading last week, was this worse?
 
2013-02-23 07:20:06 PM  
I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.
 
2013-02-23 07:21:45 PM  
NASCAR: Iff'n you get hit with a car part, you get to keep it!!!
 
2013-02-23 07:21:50 PM  

Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.


Welcome to the madness.
 
2013-02-23 07:23:38 PM  

menolikepoopybad: This is a late parrot: This press conference is a joke.

Well due to HIPAA there is not a lot they can say even if they wanted to.


I see your point and all, I was just a little underwhelmed considering the hype of the press conference itself.
 
2013-02-23 07:24:33 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.

Welcome to the madness.


What VW said
 
2013-02-23 07:25:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.

that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.


From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media  and other people to cross the track after/before events.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: They're lucky the stands weren't packed or it could have been a lot worse. Probably also would have been some people walking next to the fence when the engine came through.


Jesus H McPherson, you aren't kidding--if that had happened during the Daytona 500 itself, we'd probably be looking at the worst crowd casualty in a motorsports event since LeMans 1955 (where scores of people ended up being killed--this led to a ban on motorsports in many European countries, one STILL in effect to this day in Switzerland).

Even if everyone survives, this is going to lead to a lot of changes, just because the Big Two trackowners don't want to be sued into insolvency :P

/yes, this wreck gives me the fear a bit, because I've SAT that close at KMS and moreso at Bristol...admittedly, the cars don't go so fast they go airborne at Bristol or even KMS to the extent they do at superspeedways, but realising I've sat closer than those in the line of fire does give me the hooboojeebies just a bit
//doesn't help that I've spent much of the month reading Dr. Stephen Olvey's "Rapid Response" about him working with the CART safety crews
 
2013-02-23 07:25:47 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


steam. when they shut them down they release pressure on the cooling system
 
2013-02-23 07:25:57 PM  
Shakes fist at Montag19.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:59 PM  
Ima4nic8or: So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.

NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks. People falling down the stairs or getting sunburned is not their problem.

They are a sanctioning body for a racing series, and as such, they have a responsibility to their participants to provide reasonable standards of safety. They practically never develop any safety device or procedure themselves; they merely wait for other sanctioning bodies to do all the work, then whenever NASCAR decides to adopt what has become common practice everywhere else in motorsports, they make sure they take credit for the idea at every opportunity.
 
2013-02-23 07:27:16 PM  
this is why when my friends and I go to a NASCAR race we by infield tickets and camp/party through the weekend. when crashes happen debris flies outward (most of the time) and we sit in the infield and watch the "CAR"nage from on top of the RV
 
2013-02-23 07:30:23 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.

Welcome to the madness.


It was the Politics Tab that got me do it so I think I may just fit in with the madness, but thank you though. 

/Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch
 
2013-02-23 07:30:32 PM  

Ed_Severson: NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks


Semantics.

The owners of Nascar own most of the company that owns most of the tracks on which NASCAR runs.

/Yes, they own the tracks.
 
2013-02-23 07:30:34 PM  

Ed_Severson: Ima4nic8or: So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.

NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks. People falling down the stairs or getting sunburned is not their problem.

They are a sanctioning body for a racing series, and as such, they have a responsibility to their participants to provide reasonable standards of safety. They practically never develop any safety device or procedure themselves; they merely wait for other sanctioning bodies to do all the work, then whenever NASCAR decides to adopt what has become common practice everywhere else in motorsports, they make sure they take credit for the idea at every opportunity.


You're an idiot. 

And while it is true NASCAR doesn't own any tracks, ISC does and members of the France family (who own NASCAR) are on the board of ISC. ISC owns at least 12 tracks were Sprint cup events are held, including Daytona. 

Go be stupid somewhere else.
 
2013-02-23 07:32:32 PM  
So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?
 
2013-02-23 07:34:50 PM  

Bane of Broone: /Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch


...and farkied.
 
2013-02-23 07:34:54 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.


Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)

And I can safely say that I've watched NASCAR since I was a baby (one of my earliest memories was meeting Kyle Petty when he was starting out...when I was barely four) and I can safely say this is probably the worst wreck I've seen at Daytona since Geoff Bodine's truck wreck (which pretty much ended his career in racing).  I've seen wrecks that have killed people, have pretty much disintegrated cars and you wonder how the fark they walked away (including Michael Waltrip's "OHGODHEHASTOBEDEAD" wreck at Bristol that ended up being a punchline in a commercial years later)...this is genuinely the first time I've seen a wreck throw tires and engines into the stands.  Used to seeing this in CART and IRL, yes...NASCAR, not so much.

Hell, I'm actually amazed the guy actually IN the wreck is not only alive but didn't get an impromptu double amputation a la Zanardi.
 
2013-02-23 07:35:16 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?


Bet on tire. It wins 60% of the time, every time.
 
2013-02-23 07:35:52 PM  
www.exoticcarresource.com
Stop whining, you bunch of pussies.
 
2013-02-23 07:37:16 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.


I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.
 
2013-02-23 07:37:39 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: /Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch

...and farkied.


I see you have the Raiders, Sawx, and Bruins as your teams. I like you already, lol.
 
2013-02-23 07:40:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?


Jeff Burton will win tomorrow
 
2013-02-23 07:41:06 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: You're an idiot.


Sure thing. You can start listing motorsports safety improvements that were developed by NASCAR whenever you'd like.

I'm well aware of the close ties between NASCAR and ISC, but the point stands: they are separate companies with independent budget. The suggestion that NASCAR can't afford to spend money on safety research because they should be spending it laying down non-slip tape on grandstand stairs or something equally inane is ludicrous. They have a responsibility to their competitors, and it's one they basically ignore wholesale.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:21 PM  

funktilious_j: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

may as well have been an invisible fence for dogs, as well as it worked.

Eh, probably prevented a few inbred pregnancies.


Did you watch the same video I did? For as wimpy as that fence looks: it kept an entire car (most of it) from being launched into the stands. That invisible fence, while obviously not solid enough to keep everything out, did an amazing job and saved several people from being crushed into 2 millimeters of buzzard bait.

And unless your mother was in the front row, I doubt any inbreeding was averted.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:21 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: WhyteRaven74: Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.

that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.

From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media  and other people to cross the track after/before events.


So pretty much a particularly nasty variant of what tended to sheared the crap out of Michael Waltrip's car at Bristol--only in this case I'm not 100% how they're going to eliminate the camera openings.

(For those newish to the sport--Michael Waltrip had a HORRENDOUS wreck during qualifying at Bristol some years back, to the point that folks seriously considered it unsurvivable (the car was literally ripped in HALF and then disintegrated) until Waltrip literally climbed out with no real harm other than (likely) a change of the colour of his underwear from white to brown.  (We joked he needed to sign up Depend Undergarments as a sponsor after that one.)   What happened was that he clipped the very edge of a door that allowed cars (and track officials and everyone else) access to the track and infield from outside.)

(After a similar accident two years later (also involving a car damn near torn in half) BMS wisely decided to dispense with the door altogether and built a small tunnel between turns 2 and 3 to allow track and infield access. :D)
 
2013-02-23 07:42:35 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.

Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)


Happened at Charlotte too, years after F1 mandated tire tethers.

Not sure how well tethers would work on a full body car though?
 
2013-02-23 07:43:32 PM  
Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:52 PM  

mikaloyd: Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.


I read that as "willies" and was really confused.
 
2013-02-23 07:46:42 PM  

RandomRandom: In 1987, a fan at the Indy 500 was standing at the highest row of their high grandstands and was killed instantly by flying wheel.


Yep. It was Tony Bettenhausen's wheel. The lug bolt hit the wall in front of me in the short chute between 1 & 2. Wheel came of in #3.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: mikaloyd: Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.

I read that as "willies" and was really confused.


The British are perverts.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:42 PM  
pbs.twimg.com


Ongoing catch fence repair
 
2013-02-23 07:47:51 PM  

draa: Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.

I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.


CSB
 
2013-02-23 07:48:57 PM  
Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow
 
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