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(Jalopnik)   Insane crash marks end of Nationwide race at Daytona. Debris in stands, multiple injuries reported   (jalopnik.com) divider line 580
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2013-02-23 06:05:03 PM
Remind me to attend NASCAR events...at a minimum distance of 5000 yards
 
2013-02-23 06:05:12 PM

RealAmericanHero: the ha ha guy: Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.

Right, and knowing how your computer's file system works and why you get page faults is on par with knowing how to move your mouse. And I guess my driver's ed teachers were negligent for not explaining the specifics of the steam that appears when driving a car 200 MPH. Oh well, I managed to get by without knowing that extremely crucial and not at all trivial bit of information.



So 200MPH steam is magically different than 50MPH steam or steam while parked? These aren't run by magic pixie dust, these are normal cars, and abide by the same basic laws of physics as every single other car in existence.

And if your driver's ed course didn't tell you the absolute basics like "if your car starts steaming, it's probably overheating and you should pull over", you need to get a refund, and possibly re-take the class.
 
2013-02-23 06:05:30 PM

kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.


Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:06 PM

Kurohone: stirfrybry: Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.

Christ no!  Do you know how many stubbed toes and carpal tunnel injuries you can get from curling!  That'll be next on the ban list!

/just started curling this year.  A LOT more physical that it looks


I actually really enjoying watching curling last Winter Olympics.  There's a lot more strategy to that than seems at first.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:17 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So it's several seconds between the car flying through the air and him fist pumping?


No but it's several seconds from the time the cars start smacking into each other until the one flies through the fence.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:21 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.

Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.


Waits for the backhair "3" shaved in pic .. its inevitable now.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:29 PM
Fan video is near the bottom of this page. Try deleting this one, NASCAR.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:19 PM

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.


You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:53 PM

Shadow Blasko: itsfullofstars: NASCAR is blocking fan video of the aftermath in the stands on "copyright grounds"

https://twitter.com/bobbychuck/status/305447419930370050

Nascar searches and blocks for all videos upload on race day with the race name or nascar in the title.

Not just this one.


That's scary.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:58 PM

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


Since I don't follow racing I don't know which types of racing, or what promotions actually do the R&D and engineering work.  All I know is that my ride to work or the grocery store is safer because of it, and I like that.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:10 PM

GAT_00: Kurohone: stirfrybry: Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.

Christ no!  Do you know how many stubbed toes and carpal tunnel injuries you can get from curling!  That'll be next on the ban list!

/just started curling this year.  A LOT more physical that it looks

I actually really enjoying watching curling last Winter Olympics.  There's a lot more strategy to that than seems at first.


I loved to watch the championships when i lived back home and got Canadian tv stations. It actually is quite interesting. Always wanted to try playing it.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:30 PM
Part of the issue with NASCAR is they refuse to let anyone succeed by actually having a better car and/or engine. When Petty was dominating way back in the day, they outlawed Chrysler's engine. A few years back when Dodge, or was it Toyota, had cars that were getting through the air better than the others NASCAR forced them to make a change no one else had to make. Instead of telling the people with the slower/worse stuff to suck it up and make better stuff they've always been after punishing anyone who figures out how to do better than the pack.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:31 PM

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.


Yes, I was awake, off from work, bored, and saw a FARK thread.

And it was a boring race punctuated by three large accidents. That's what plate racing is... long stretches of bredom followed by massive accidents where someone winds up hurt or dead.

It's not real racing, and if the tracks can't be made to work without plates, bulldoze 'em and build a North Wilkesboro clone.
 
2013-02-23 06:11:26 PM

WhyteRaven74: Part of the issue with NASCAR is they refuse to let anyone succeed by actually having a better car and/or engine. When Petty was dominating way back in the day, they outlawed Chrysler's engine. A few years back when Dodge, or was it Toyota, had cars that were getting through the air better than the others NASCAR forced them to make a change no one else had to make. Instead of telling the people with the slower/worse stuff to suck it up and make better stuff they've always been after punishing anyone who figures out how to do better than the pack.


If they didn't regulate things, somebody would be out there with a car doing 250 mph on straightaways.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:06 PM

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes


Thanks
 
2013-02-23 06:14:27 PM

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes

Thanks


So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

I'll remember never to watch another one so my opinion means something.

Or will you then use the fact that I haven't watched any race to try to invalidate a correct opinion?
 
2013-02-23 06:14:30 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If they didn't regulate things, somebody would be out there with a car doing 250 mph on straightaways.


you can regulate things and not destroy the differences between the cars.
 
2013-02-23 06:15:11 PM

Shadow Blasko: hulk hogan meat shoes: kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.

Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.

Waits for the backhair "3" shaved in pic .. its inevitable now.


I was totally going to post that... but now I'm not. Fark you. You can't tell me what to do!
 
2013-02-23 06:15:26 PM
Farking red neck drivers.
 
2013-02-23 06:15:27 PM

Shadow Blasko: Holy crap.. You could not be more wrong.


You're drinking WAYYY too much NASCAR kooliad.  NASCAR is not only terrible at R&D spending for safety, they're typically the last of the major racing series to adopt recognized, new safety features.

HANS wasn't invented by NASCAR.  It was invented by private engineers working with road racing.  NASCAR were the VERY LAST major racing series to mandate it, it took Dale Earnhart's death to do that.

The SAFER barrier wasn't invented by NASCAR.  It was invented by a university with impetus and funding from Indycar.  NASCAR claims it as their own, in reality, they had almost nothing to do with its development.

As for safety within their cars. NASCAR vehicles could be so much safer were they permitted to use carbon fiber crash structures, they're not.

Fencing?  It's been known for decades that the fencing at oval tracks was inadequate at keeping engines and transmissions from shooting through.  Much lighter Indycar transmissions have shot through nearly identical fencing on at least two occasions and I think there was a third.

That's the point.  NASCAR knew these fences were inadequate but haven't invested in the R&D to fix the problem.  A lot of the reason is probably that there is no self evident fix.  They can't make the fencing much thicker without blocking the view from the stands.  It's even possible that there isn't a suitable fix.

The point it, we don't know if there's a solution to the fencing problem because NASCAR isn't spending the R&D to find out.  When it comes to safety, the NASCAR organization are cheap bastards that leech off the rest of racing.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:16 PM
The restrictor plates were enacted after Bobby Allison's absurd crash at Talladega in '87 when he flipped into the fencing and launched debris into the stands.  

Fun fact NASCAR: Your plates don't work. Yes, you slow the cars down, but you do it in such a way that the cars are forced artificially close together - dramatically increasing the risk of catastrophic accident.

Shrink the engines if you're obsessed with the speeds, but otherwise rip out the first 20 rows of seats at each track and just let the cars go.If you restrict them, you get these sorts of accidents. If you don't, you still get accidents but they tend to wind up causing less damage as a whole.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:54 PM
Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.
 
2013-02-23 06:17:30 PM
 
2013-02-23 06:18:48 PM
I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.
 
2013-02-23 06:19:10 PM
Teach idiots to sit ten feet from 3,500-pound amalgamations of hot metal traveling at 250 feet per second.
Kinetic, people, kinetic.
Danger.
 
2013-02-23 06:19:38 PM
Is Michael Annet alive?
 
2013-02-23 06:19:58 PM
Holy sh*t what a wreck! Hope everyone recovers and no one was killed.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:59 PM
They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:23 PM
THANKS, OBAMA!

/seriously, though - i hope everyone survives this awful incident.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:51 PM

Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.


Welcome to Rube Goldberg's abortion clinic.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:24 PM
 
2013-02-23 06:22:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.

Welcome to Rube Goldberg's abortion clinic.


I laughed.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:28 PM
The fan who took the video of the tire ending up in the seats probably should have held on to it and sold it to a news or sports network instead of upping it to YouTube and getting a copyright notice.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:27 PM

GRCooper: Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.


I noticed that too. If I had to guess I'd say that he's the one in surgery with the head trauma.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:34 PM

FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?


Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:45 PM

Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.


if that were true itd be all over twitter but since its not that didnt happen.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:00 PM

ontariolightning: Is Michael Annet alive?


yeah. he's being kept overnight for observation. Severe chest bruising, and I would assume it is a steering wheel shaped bruise
 
2013-02-23 06:26:04 PM

Seige101: Not sure how long this will last


Damn
 
2013-02-23 06:26:18 PM
If only the fans had been armed.....
 
2013-02-23 06:26:39 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Teach idiots to sit ten feet from 3,500-pound amalgamations of hot metal traveling at 250 feet per second.
Kinetic, people, kinetic.
Danger.


10 feet, 100 feet, doesn't really matter.  If there's a wheel with your name on it, you're done.  There's a photo at the Jalopnik link that shows one of the wheels went all the way to the sky boxes.  NASCAR wheels are heavy things.  Move them at 190MPH and they'll got a lot further than 10 feet.

In 1987, a fan at the Indy 500 was standing at the highest row of their high grandstands and was killed instantly by flying wheel.
 

/If you're in the grandstands, you're at risk.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:39 PM

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.


Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:41 PM

akula: mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?

It's not connected to the tire itself, but to the steering knuckle or hub. When a wheel is ripped loose like that it isn't the lug nuts that give- it's the attachment of the suspension components that breaks. With a strap or cable to the frame of the vehicle it increases the chance that the wheel won't go flying.

F1 has used them for several years.


F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.
 
2013-02-23 06:29:23 PM

Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.


keister.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-23 06:30:23 PM

RandomRandom: /If you're in the grandstands, you're at risk.


Exactly this. If you go to feel the thunder you just might get hit by lightning.
 
2013-02-23 06:30:48 PM
I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.
 
2013-02-23 06:31:29 PM

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.


Jesus Christ, who would want to read what you post about anything?
 
2013-02-23 06:31:52 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Ad Infinitum?


Yes, in the past. Which you stopped and I thanked you.
 
2013-02-23 06:33:14 PM

killershark: I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.


Because the owners will just put the guys from the BGN series in the cars and run 'em. Happened the last time drivers walked out because of safety concerns, and it would happen again.

Sponsors, you know.

Hell, loss of sponsor money and contracts would keep drivers from sitting out a race.
 
2013-02-23 06:33:19 PM
Women drivers...
 
2013-02-23 06:33:50 PM

Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump. Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier. The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.


F1 wheels are held on by safety tethers made of one of the strongest substances known to man.  Yet F1 wheels still go flying in accidents similar to this one.  It's doubtful F1's tethers would have kept these wheels from flying into the grandstands.

Those fences are cheese graters, rub a wheel against them at 190mph + and the wheel is coming off.
 
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