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(Jalopnik)   Insane crash marks end of Nationwide race at Daytona. Debris in stands, multiple injuries reported   (jalopnik.com) divider line 580
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2013-02-23 05:22:50 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?


Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:01 PM
1. RUBBING IS RACING!

2. Folding chairs? Classy.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:07 PM

WeenerGord: Shadow Blasko: Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy


Yeah! So what if people die! Right?

/ after a few hours of nothing but watching freaking cars go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round  prolly praying for death to put them out of the misery of that boredom, anyway


And... screw the haters... I'm going back to the actual thread
 
2013-02-23 05:23:11 PM

Shadow Blasko: Not like you, of all people, might acknowledge the advanced that NASCAR has made in safety, not only for its own drivers, but for rescue workers and medical personnel, like yourself. Yeah .. screw that.


And don't forget a huge percentage of safety and performance advances that have made their way from racing into normal cars over the decades.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:14 PM

Kurohone: I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.


Uh, that's exactly what I said.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:42 PM

SurelyShirley: ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!

Got a link?


you were warned. That is the google search. Its the first link.

http://www.google.ca/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&q=ukranianair+show+cr as h+video&oq=ukranianair+show+crash+video&gs_l=tablet-gws.3..0i13i30.141 46.16867.1.17435.8.8.0.0.0.1.294.1510.0j5j3.8.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.4. tablet-gws.vbJfgna_uhI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&bvm=bv.42768644,d. aWc&fp=d5f755bef315c11b&biw=768&bih=928
 
2013-02-23 05:23:52 PM

germ78: I wonder how long it will take to repair the damaged sections of the fence?


They're already working on it like and army of ants after you knock over their hill.
 
2013-02-23 05:24:06 PM

Kurohone: GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.

Seriously, take a look at those things some times.  Extra strength wire making the chainlink, reinforced posts set in concrete at remarkably short intervals, the whole thing backed with twisted cable ever 2 feet or so behind _that_....

Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.  The angle was a bit different than Keselowski's big one a couple years ago, so instead of getting rebounded right away, the car slide around and hit the next pole behind the front axle, which is what tore the front end off.  Tire probably was lost on the initial impact, which is why it cleared the fence and went so far up into the stands.

Kind of surprised to see that NASCAR hasn't got the cables on the tires yet.  That'll change by next week, quite possibly by tomorrow.


How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:30 PM

TV's Vinnie: If only each of those spectators had a firearm.....................


Ladies and gentlemen, We Have A Winner.

That's for participating, please come back and try again next time.
 
2013-02-23 05:24:37 PM
NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:37 PM
Is there an ETA on the press conference?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:44 PM

Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.


that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:12 PM

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


Yeah, why isn't anyone thinking about the fence? Poor fence.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:39 PM

Benjamin Orr: Is this the thread where people that have never watched a race in their lives come to comment on the cause of the wreck?


Yes.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:42 PM

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:45 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Cewley: nascar and buttsucking espn go into full lawsuit avoidance mode.

/Ya, they showed the engine laying in the walkway, but no victims laying on the ground, even though you could see they were being treated.  Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.  Don't worry, people have cell phones. I'm sure film will come soon.


You don't think it has more to do with the fact that most people don't enjoy seeing dead and/or dying humans on live television?
 
2013-02-23 05:26:05 PM
So to buy a ticket to one of these races, does a fan have to sign a waiver? Or what? Whatever the case, I sure hope NASCAR covers medical costs here. Just... wow.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:05 PM
Was the car in the stands?  Did the engine wipe out the first 3 rows?  I think the fence did what it needed to do.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:07 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


This race was pretty much like a minor league baseball team playing in a major league stadium.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:09 PM

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Cars run very close together at restrictor plate races, and overheating is an issue. Near the end.. no one cares if they are overheating, so they just go for broke.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:14 PM

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

<b>it's not exactly a regular chain link fence</b>

<b>It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

</b>

Uhm, alright, if what you mean was that 'it must be (not exactly a regular chain link fence) since ...' alright, but that's not exactly the clearest grammar ever.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:16 PM
Wait... I've seen this before...

www.filmofilia.com
 
2013-02-23 05:26:26 PM

Shadow Blasko: RandomRandom: /This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.

Yeah, so weak that the fence decapitated an Indycar racer last year ... or have you already forgotten that?


I went to the truck race the day before that last year, was glad I decided to skip Sunday, it still sucked on TV though
 
2013-02-23 05:26:44 PM

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:48 PM
How many of those were Michigan drivers?
 
2013-02-23 05:26:52 PM

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Err.. so its steam. They are overheating.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:55 PM

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Steam, as water from the now busted radiators gets to escape
 
2013-02-23 05:27:01 PM

Donnchadha: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.

Yeah, I don't really follow NASCAR and even I knew that they have to do that major drafting thing in order to maintain a leading position. I did notice that they were driving in groups of two -- and only two -- is that a new rule to try to prevent the giant clusterfark, like this?


not a rule, but it's been found that the two car tandem can make for some good speed and good passing, outside of the pack. The rear car drafts off of the leader, and in turn his extra power can push the leader faster. The drivers who were doing the tandem driving were fine, because they were in the lead. Those back in the pack were clumped together, and that's why so many cars got caught up in this wreck, and the Big One that happened just a few laps prior.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:09 PM

mikemoto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?

Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.


Doh! It's just so hard to tell anymore.  We've been through the looking glass for so long it's hard to remember what the normal world was like.  I mean, I've got relatives that seriously blame Obama for the economic collapse that started a year he took office, and will get mad at me for asking how they can blame him for something that happened a year before he took office.  shiat, they were blaming him for the Iraq quagmire just a couple months after his inauguration.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:10 PM

mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?


with a clip.  i wouldn't suggest using a staple gun...
 
2013-02-23 05:27:22 PM

Professor Farksworth: a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH,


Um, EXCUSE ME, but a NASCAR weighs 3300 pounds and they were moving at 175MPH.  Take a math class sometime.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:30 PM

semiotix: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.


If something like this were to happen tomorrow instead of today, there would be a wildly different outcome.  Hopefully tomorrow doesn't see any wrecks on this scale.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:52 PM
* year before he took office
 
2013-02-23 05:27:58 PM
hollywoodnose.com
 
2013-02-23 05:28:08 PM

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


They've elected a new Pope.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:34 PM

WhyteRaven74: Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.


And much lighter Indycar transmission have shot through nearly identical fencing at both Indy and Texas (IIRC).

These fence systems do have large cables behind them, supporting the posts. The actual fencing itself isn't much more than backyard fencing.

This was just a matter of time, it was bound to happen.  NASCAR has long needed to install better protection systems for the fans.  What system?  Who can say, they'll need to design and test.  It will be expensive.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:11 PM

mjones73: Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?

Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.


Oh did you mean during the actual racing or during the wreck? The wreck is tire smoke and whatever other fluids is coming of out of those cars after they were hit.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:19 PM

wxboy: GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?

This race was pretty much like a minor league baseball team playing in a major league stadium.


Thank you.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:23 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


It's a Nationwide race, that's NASCAR's second tier of racing, the big crows show up for Sprint Cup races, NASCAR's top tier racing.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:45 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?

Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.

Doh! It's just so hard to tell anymore.  We've been through the looking glass for so long it's hard to remember what the normal world was like.  I mean, I've got relatives that seriously blame Obama for the economic collapse that started a year he took office, and will get mad at me for asking how they can blame him for something that happened a year before he took office.  shiat, they were blaming him for the Iraq quagmire just a couple months after his inauguration.


Whered they learn that tactic from?
 
2013-02-23 05:30:10 PM
Looking at photos of the fence and debris makes me wonder if people were injured by the cables making up part of the barrier when they snapped. Those things are/were likely under a ton of tension.

Not sure why there isn't a 10-15 foot no mans land between those fences and the seats and standing area.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:20 PM
In other news one million people die a year watching WRC, or at least that's what late night infomercials for "BANNED FROM TV YOU GOT TO SEE THIS ZOMG1111 VIDEOS" has made think

//but really, has to be the most dangerous sport to see live
 
2013-02-23 05:30:34 PM
Going to a NASCAR race and complaining about taking a tire to the chops is like sitting ringside at UFC and complaining about being covered in blood at the end.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:50 PM
 
2013-02-23 05:31:13 PM

WhyteRaven74: GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?

It's a Nationwide race, that's NASCAR's second tier of racing, the big crows show up for Sprint Cup races, NASCAR's top tier racing.


And, thank you, too.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:14 PM

semiotix: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.


The race finish order on the final lap is set when the yellow flag is thrown
 
2013-02-23 05:31:15 PM

JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


That's what happens when every car is limited to about the same top speed. They can't open up any sort of gap between themselves as they use each other to punch holes in the air.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:20 PM

HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.


It must be a tough balancing act for Nascar.  On the one hand you want to minimize the risk of anyone getting hurt.  On the other hand you want fans to be able to get close to the action.  That is what they are paying for after all.  Despite all the hand wringing that will occur this is an extremely rare event.  Its sort of like if you are driving down the freeway and a scrap piece of metal falls off the back of a truck in front of you, piercing your window and potentially your head.  Do you go out and wail that windows are not designed properly since they dont stop flying metal rods? No, you recognize that not all risk can be eliminated without unacceptable tradeoffs. I see this one the same way. It is very unfortunate but also exceedingly rare and providing absolute certainty that it wouldnt happen again ( by putting in something like a 3ft thick steel wall you cant see through) just is not worth the tradeoff since that sort of event is unlikely to occur again.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:28 PM

mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?


It's not connected to the tire itself, but to the steering knuckle or hub. When a wheel is ripped loose like that it isn't the lug nuts that give- it's the attachment of the suspension components that breaks. With a strap or cable to the frame of the vehicle it increases the chance that the wheel won't go flying.

F1 has used them for several years.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:33 PM

Matthew Keene: They've elected a new Pope.


so much win
 
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