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(Jalopnik)   Insane crash marks end of Nationwide race at Daytona. Debris in stands, multiple injuries reported   (jalopnik.com) divider line 580
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2013-02-23 05:11:52 PM

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.


The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:43 PM

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy
 
2013-02-23 05:12:50 PM
If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?
 
2013-02-23 05:13:23 PM

JonBuck: I hope they throw the book at him. There's no excuse.


everything you described happens dozens of times in every stock car race. Only rarely does it go wrong.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:30 PM

Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.


Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:39 PM

Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..


WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence


It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:43 PM
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-02-23 05:13:49 PM

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


The Leader (The Black Car) was attempting to block The Second Car (The White One) to preserve his spot and win the race, he simply misjudged the distance and caught the front of the second place car. The Lead Driver took full responsibility for the botched block after the race.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:57 PM

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Someone in the upper deck won the race?
 
2013-02-23 05:15:12 PM

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Depends on which half the driver is in at the time.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:16 PM

GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:30 PM

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence


may as well have been an invisible fence for dogs, as well as it worked.

Eh, probably prevented a few inbred pregnancies.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:32 PM
Press conference coming up, CNN will be covering. Also might be shown here. Link
 
2013-02-23 05:15:36 PM

ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!


Got a link?
 
2013-02-23 05:16:09 PM

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.


Yet it didn't hold today.
 
2013-02-23 05:16:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]




Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:21 PM

JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:41 PM

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


Makes it look more like people in the stands when the seats are empty on TV
 
2013-02-23 05:18:31 PM

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]



Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


I was actually there recently for non racing stuff. Basically it gives the allusion of people packed in the seats even if nobody is there or the crowd is thin
 
2013-02-23 05:18:54 PM

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:59 PM

JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


Have you never watched NASCAR racing at Daytona? It's 200MPH of bumper to bumper racing...
 
2013-02-23 05:19:07 PM
Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:19 PM

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


The pieces that fell off don't count.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:25 PM

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


as the saying goes, sh*t happens. Nothing works 100% of the time. Nothing. Usually tho the failure is mild, not spectacular.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:29 PM

Jixa: Isn't that the whole point of watching auto racing?

"Let me put it this way: when else am I going to see a twenty-six car collision and not be *in* the God damn thing?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x163]


they're in it now.  they bought their ticket, they knew what they were rooting for, i say let them crash be hit by flying debris.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:32 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.


Yeah, I don't really follow NASCAR and even I knew that they have to do that major drafting thing in order to maintain a leading position. I did notice that they were driving in groups of two -- and only two -- is that a new rule to try to prevent the giant clusterfark, like this?
 
2013-02-23 05:19:46 PM
Yikes, that's horrible. Now I feel for laughing when people joked about something like this happening in yesterday's thread about the FL DoT putting a pedestrian safety campaign logo on one of the cars.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:50 PM

JonBuck: I hope they throw the book at him. There's no excuse.


Just about every driver in the field has done something just as bad at one time or another.  No driver should be singled out for special punishment because NASCAR's fence failed.

Yes, it is NASCAR's fence.  NASCAR's owners own (the company that owns) this track, they know the deficiencies of this sort of fencing.   You want to blame someone, blame NASCAR.  They've known for years that these thin fences couldn't keep engines from shooting through.  Much lighter IndyCar transmissions have torn through nearly identical fencing on more than one occasion.

Maybe NASCAR's insurers will wake them up.  If I were NASCAR's insurer, I'd pull their coverage today.  This could have killed a dozen people, probably didn't, but easily could have.

/This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:01 PM

Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..




Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:15 PM

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.



Oh puhleeze. That is just racing. The guy driving behind has a duty to his sponsors, etc to try to win and that is what he did.  He made a last second move.  You could just as easily blame the guy in front (I wouldnt though) since he tried to block the pass attempt (again just a standard tactic). Neither is at fault. Its just part of the game.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:17 PM
BTW the fact the engine is sitting right next to the wall, means the fence sucked up a lot of energy in the process, if it hadn't, well that engine could be 20 feet away from the seats.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.


Rubbing is racing?

/not even close to obscure
 
2013-02-23 05:20:29 PM
If only each of those spectators had a firearm.....................
 
2013-02-23 05:20:32 PM

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.

Seriously, take a look at those things some times.  Extra strength wire making the chainlink, reinforced posts set in concrete at remarkably short intervals, the whole thing backed with twisted cable ever 2 feet or so behind _that_....

Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.  The angle was a bit different than Keselowski's big one a couple years ago, so instead of getting rebounded right away, the car slide around and hit the next pole behind the front axle, which is what tore the front end off.  Tire probably was lost on the initial impact, which is why it cleared the fence and went so far up into the stands.

Kind of surprised to see that NASCAR hasn't got the cables on the tires yet.  That'll change by next week, quite possibly by tomorrow.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:35 PM
Is this the thread where people that have never watched a race in their lives come to comment on the cause of the wreck?
 
2013-02-23 05:20:48 PM

mjones73: JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

Have you never watched NASCAR racing at Daytona? It's 200MPH of bumper to bumper racing...


I haven't watched racing for ~15 years. I didn't recall cars racing together that closely at the time.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:52 PM

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


that's so drunk nascar fans can find their seat after using the john. "errr,..it was a RED 'un....."
 
2013-02-23 05:20:53 PM

mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.


We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?
 
2013-02-23 05:21:02 PM
There are at least 16 people right now who are very grateful that they were in line for an MGD and a Krispy Kreme Hamburger when the wreck happened.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:03 PM

Shadow Blasko: Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy



Yeah! So what if people die! Right?

/ after a few hours of nothing but watching freaking cars go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round  prolly praying for death to put them out of the misery of that boredom, anyway
 
2013-02-23 05:21:03 PM

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


This
 
2013-02-23 05:21:26 PM

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


Those fences aren't impenetrable force shields. I did what it's supposed to do and stopped damn near everything from entering into the grandstands.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:45 PM

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


Of all the spots on Daytona, that section should be reinforced more than it is.  Daytona knows this.  Nascar knows this.  Unfortunately, it takes things like this to make the sport safer.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:49 PM

RandomRandom: /This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.


Yeah, so weak that the fence decapitated an Indycar racer last year ... or have you already forgotten that?
 
2013-02-23 05:21:51 PM

LightGiver: When Larson's car came to a stop, it was missing its entire front end.

img846.imageshack.us

 
2013-02-23 05:22:04 PM

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LineNoise:
Basically it gives the allusion of people packed in the seats even if nobody is there or the crowd is thin



one might say NASCAR likes to Use Their Illusion...

/obscure?
 
2013-02-23 05:22:06 PM
I feel bad for those injured, but really, it's not like anyone can say this was unexpected/outside the realm of possibility.  Same goes for airshows.  Whenever you try and push a machine that runs off of highly combustible fuel to/beyond its limits, especially when said machine is traveling extremely fast, there is a high probability of something very bad happening.
 
2013-02-23 05:22:10 PM
Speed is back with live coverage.
 
2013-02-23 05:22:25 PM
Yikes... I hope people made it out alive. I wonder how long it will take to repair the damaged sections of the fence?

/was it one of the "drive safe, Florida" cars?
 
2013-02-23 05:22:46 PM
I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?
 
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