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2013-02-23 04:37:09 PM  
A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.
 
2013-02-23 04:38:28 PM  
It looks like the entire front of the car was shredded and turned to shrapnel flying into the stands.  Ugh.
 
2013-02-23 04:42:54 PM  
nascar and buttsucking espn go into full lawsuit avoidance mode.
 
2013-02-23 04:44:47 PM  
Moment of impact.

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2013-02-23 04:46:44 PM  
That tire and wheel combo weight around 90 pounds...flying at 200 MPH. I have not heard Mike Helton sound like that since he announced Earnhardt died. Someone..if not multiple people died in those stands today..I'm pretty confident of that.
 
2013-02-23 04:46:54 PM  
Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.
 
2013-02-23 04:47:08 PM  
Tire in stands

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-02-23 04:50:09 PM  
Wow, Popcorn...that's really, really bad.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:08 PM  
Watching the video, that's a bit worse than I was expecting.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:56 PM  
Jesus, that's awful. I know that race fans love crashes (whether they admit or not) but there comes a point when a crash is no longer entertainment.
 
2013-02-23 04:55:39 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]


Car parts on eBay in 10,9,8...
 
2013-02-23 04:56:13 PM  
Speed has live coverage now.
 
2013-02-23 04:56:13 PM  

dickfreckle: Jesus, that's awful. I know that race fans love crashes (whether they admit or not) but there comes a point when a crash is no longer entertainment.


Look at the first picture posted. There is a guy in the stands raising a fist in the air. He's above the blue number 32.
 
2013-02-23 04:59:22 PM  
these are white peoples problems....
 
2013-02-23 04:59:43 PM  
download.lardlad.com

Simpsons did it!
 
2013-02-23 04:59:54 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-02-23 05:00:00 PM  

dickfreckle: Jesus, that's awful. I know that race fans love crashes (whether they admit or not) but there comes a point when a crash is no longer entertainment.


When an engine lands in your lap?
 
2013-02-23 05:00:31 PM  
 
2013-02-23 05:00:33 PM  
Is it like baseball where you get to keep the engine if you catch it?
 
2013-02-23 05:00:35 PM  
Some idiot turned RIGHT
 
2013-02-23 05:02:04 PM  
Link farked. Anyone have the video?
 
2013-02-23 05:03:04 PM  
There's a longer video up now in the link.  They were trying to cause that crash for two laps.  Nascar is a farked up sport.  Players don't try to kill each other in normal sports.
 
2013-02-23 05:03:06 PM  
Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!
 
2013-02-23 05:03:31 PM  
They're lucky the stands weren't packed or it could have been a lot worse. Probably also would have been some people walking next to the fence when the engine came through.
 
2013-02-23 05:03:48 PM  

GAT_00: There's a longer video up now in the link.  They were trying to cause that crash for two laps.  Nascar is a farked up sport.  Players don't try to kill each other in normal sports.


MMA begs to.... oh, wait, you said "normal"
 
2013-02-23 05:03:52 PM  
The engine went through the fence as well.
 
2013-02-23 05:04:05 PM  
Popcorn Johnny:

Gotee, bad tattoo, no shirt, sleeveless shirt, ugly pants....all that tire missed was a dude in jorts and a woman with a restraining order on her third husband for nascar bingo
 
2013-02-23 05:04:07 PM  

GAT_00: There's a longer video up now in the link.  They were trying to cause that crash for two laps.  Nascar is a farked up sport.  Players don't try to kill each other in normal sports.


Don't ask a Habs fan bout Chara and Pacioretty incident.
 
2013-02-23 05:04:48 PM  
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2013-02-23 05:05:14 PM  

darch: Link farked. Anyone have the video?


dunno how long it'll last, but here ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JzBvpk3m9t0
 
2013-02-23 05:05:17 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.


Its a bit more than a chain link fence..
 
2013-02-23 05:05:34 PM  

LineNoise: Is it like baseball where you get to keep the engine if you catch it?


throw it back. Throw it back. Throw it back!
 
2013-02-23 05:06:12 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.


it's not exactly a regular chain link fence
 
2013-02-23 05:06:20 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.


Yeah. Fortunately the cars were slowed somewhat but after the car took out the fence the tire flew right on through without obstruction.
 
2013-02-23 05:06:21 PM  

darch: Link farked. Anyone have the video?


Link works fine.
 
2013-02-23 05:06:39 PM  
It went final destination 4
 
2013-02-23 05:08:29 PM  

Cewley: nascar and buttsucking espn go into full lawsuit avoidance mode.


/Ya, they showed the engine laying in the walkway, but no victims laying on the ground, even though you could see they were being treated.  Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.  Don't worry, people have cell phones. I'm sure film will come soon.
 
2013-02-23 05:08:41 PM  
 
2013-02-23 05:08:48 PM  

milowitz: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

Yeah. Fortunately the cars were slowed somewhat but after the car took out the fence the tire flew right on through without obstruction.


Looked more to me like it went OVER
 
2013-02-23 05:08:53 PM  
Debris injured people in the upper deck.

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2013-02-23 05:09:28 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.


No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.
 
2013-02-23 05:09:44 PM  
CNN is covering it now.
 
2013-02-23 05:10:05 PM  
That's why people go to the races.
 
2013-02-23 05:10:58 PM  
The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.
 
2013-02-23 05:11:14 PM  
Since it's NASCAR, at least no one got any teeth knocked out.
 
2013-02-23 05:11:17 PM  
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) - February 23, 2013 (WPVI) --Tony Stewart won a chaotic Nationwide Series race at Daytona International Speedway that ended with a frightening last-lap crash.


Regan Smith was leading coming to the checkered flag when he was turned sideways into the wall. Cars began wrecking all over the track, and rookie Kyle Larson's car went sailing into the fence that separates the track from the grandstands.

Stewart slid through the wreckage to the win.


When Larson's car came to a stop, it was missing its entire front end. There was a gaping hole in the fence, and a burning piece of car inside the fencing.


Shortly before the final three-lap sprint to the finish, Michael Annett was taken to a local hospital for further evaluation after a 13-car accident with five laps remaining
 
2013-02-23 05:11:17 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.


That's an idiotic comment. Perhaps the film crew has the slightest modicum of respect for people who are actively receiving medical attention?
 
2013-02-23 05:11:35 PM  
Marty Smith @MartySmithESPN

I was just told by police if I didn't leave the grandstand area I'd be thrown in jail.
 
2013-02-23 05:11:51 PM  
Isn't that the whole point of watching auto racing?

"Let me put it this way: when else am I going to see a twenty-six car collision and not be *in* the God damn thing?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-23 05:11:52 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.


The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:43 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy
 
2013-02-23 05:12:50 PM  
If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?
 
2013-02-23 05:13:23 PM  

JonBuck: I hope they throw the book at him. There's no excuse.


everything you described happens dozens of times in every stock car race. Only rarely does it go wrong.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.


Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:39 PM  

Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..


WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence


It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:43 PM  
pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-02-23 05:13:49 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


The Leader (The Black Car) was attempting to block The Second Car (The White One) to preserve his spot and win the race, he simply misjudged the distance and caught the front of the second place car. The Lead Driver took full responsibility for the botched block after the race.
 
2013-02-23 05:13:57 PM  

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Someone in the upper deck won the race?
 
2013-02-23 05:15:12 PM  

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Depends on which half the driver is in at the time.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:16 PM  

GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:30 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence


may as well have been an invisible fence for dogs, as well as it worked.

Eh, probably prevented a few inbred pregnancies.
 
2013-02-23 05:15:32 PM  
Press conference coming up, CNN will be covering. Also might be shown here. Link
 
2013-02-23 05:15:36 PM  

ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!


Got a link?
 
2013-02-23 05:16:09 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.


Yet it didn't hold today.
 
2013-02-23 05:16:25 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]




Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:21 PM  

JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:41 PM  

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


Makes it look more like people in the stands when the seats are empty on TV
 
2013-02-23 05:18:31 PM  

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


I was actually there recently for non racing stuff. Basically it gives the allusion of people packed in the seats even if nobody is there or the crowd is thin
 
2013-02-23 05:18:54 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:59 PM  

JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


Have you never watched NASCAR racing at Daytona? It's 200MPH of bumper to bumper racing...
 
2013-02-23 05:19:07 PM  
Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:19 PM  

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


The pieces that fell off don't count.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:25 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


as the saying goes, sh*t happens. Nothing works 100% of the time. Nothing. Usually tho the failure is mild, not spectacular.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:29 PM  

Jixa: Isn't that the whole point of watching auto racing?

"Let me put it this way: when else am I going to see a twenty-six car collision and not be *in* the God damn thing?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 240x163]


they're in it now.  they bought their ticket, they knew what they were rooting for, i say let them crash be hit by flying debris.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:32 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.


Yeah, I don't really follow NASCAR and even I knew that they have to do that major drafting thing in order to maintain a leading position. I did notice that they were driving in groups of two -- and only two -- is that a new rule to try to prevent the giant clusterfark, like this?
 
2013-02-23 05:19:46 PM  
Yikes, that's horrible. Now I feel for laughing when people joked about something like this happening in yesterday's thread about the FL DoT putting a pedestrian safety campaign logo on one of the cars.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:50 PM  

JonBuck: I hope they throw the book at him. There's no excuse.


Just about every driver in the field has done something just as bad at one time or another.  No driver should be singled out for special punishment because NASCAR's fence failed.

Yes, it is NASCAR's fence.  NASCAR's owners own (the company that owns) this track, they know the deficiencies of this sort of fencing.   You want to blame someone, blame NASCAR.  They've known for years that these thin fences couldn't keep engines from shooting through.  Much lighter IndyCar transmissions have torn through nearly identical fencing on more than one occasion.

Maybe NASCAR's insurers will wake them up.  If I were NASCAR's insurer, I'd pull their coverage today.  This could have killed a dozen people, probably didn't, but easily could have.

/This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:01 PM  

Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..




Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:15 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.



Oh puhleeze. That is just racing. The guy driving behind has a duty to his sponsors, etc to try to win and that is what he did.  He made a last second move.  You could just as easily blame the guy in front (I wouldnt though) since he tried to block the pass attempt (again just a standard tactic). Neither is at fault. Its just part of the game.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:17 PM  
BTW the fact the engine is sitting right next to the wall, means the fence sucked up a lot of energy in the process, if it hadn't, well that engine could be 20 feet away from the seats.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:29 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.


Rubbing is racing?

/not even close to obscure
 
2013-02-23 05:20:29 PM  
If only each of those spectators had a firearm.....................
 
2013-02-23 05:20:32 PM  

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.

Seriously, take a look at those things some times.  Extra strength wire making the chainlink, reinforced posts set in concrete at remarkably short intervals, the whole thing backed with twisted cable ever 2 feet or so behind _that_....

Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.  The angle was a bit different than Keselowski's big one a couple years ago, so instead of getting rebounded right away, the car slide around and hit the next pole behind the front axle, which is what tore the front end off.  Tire probably was lost on the initial impact, which is why it cleared the fence and went so far up into the stands.

Kind of surprised to see that NASCAR hasn't got the cables on the tires yet.  That'll change by next week, quite possibly by tomorrow.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:35 PM  
Is this the thread where people that have never watched a race in their lives come to comment on the cause of the wreck?
 
2013-02-23 05:20:48 PM  

mjones73: JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

Have you never watched NASCAR racing at Daytona? It's 200MPH of bumper to bumper racing...


I haven't watched racing for ~15 years. I didn't recall cars racing together that closely at the time.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:52 PM  

HempHead: Popcorn Johnny: [pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

Who came up with the colors for the seats? That's down right ugly.


that's so drunk nascar fans can find their seat after using the john. "errr,..it was a RED 'un....."
 
2013-02-23 05:20:53 PM  

mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.


We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?
 
2013-02-23 05:21:02 PM  
There are at least 16 people right now who are very grateful that they were in line for an MGD and a Krispy Kreme Hamburger when the wreck happened.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:03 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy



Yeah! So what if people die! Right?

/ after a few hours of nothing but watching freaking cars go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round  prolly praying for death to put them out of the misery of that boredom, anyway
 
2013-02-23 05:21:03 PM  

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


This
 
2013-02-23 05:21:26 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


Those fences aren't impenetrable force shields. I did what it's supposed to do and stopped damn near everything from entering into the grandstands.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:45 PM  

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


Of all the spots on Daytona, that section should be reinforced more than it is.  Daytona knows this.  Nascar knows this.  Unfortunately, it takes things like this to make the sport safer.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:49 PM  

RandomRandom: /This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.


Yeah, so weak that the fence decapitated an Indycar racer last year ... or have you already forgotten that?
 
2013-02-23 05:21:51 PM  

LightGiver: When Larson's car came to a stop, it was missing its entire front end.

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2013-02-23 05:22:04 PM  

cps-static.rovicorp.com

LineNoise:
Basically it gives the allusion of people packed in the seats even if nobody is there or the crowd is thin



one might say NASCAR likes to Use Their Illusion...

/obscure?
 
2013-02-23 05:22:06 PM  
I feel bad for those injured, but really, it's not like anyone can say this was unexpected/outside the realm of possibility.  Same goes for airshows.  Whenever you try and push a machine that runs off of highly combustible fuel to/beyond its limits, especially when said machine is traveling extremely fast, there is a high probability of something very bad happening.
 
2013-02-23 05:22:10 PM  
Speed is back with live coverage.
 
2013-02-23 05:22:25 PM  
Yikes... I hope people made it out alive. I wonder how long it will take to repair the damaged sections of the fence?

/was it one of the "drive safe, Florida" cars?
 
2013-02-23 05:22:46 PM  
I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?
 
2013-02-23 05:22:50 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?


Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:01 PM  
1. RUBBING IS RACING!

2. Folding chairs? Classy.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:07 PM  

WeenerGord: Shadow Blasko: Actually.. that is how plate racing works. He blocked, shiat happened. they already talked to him, he made no excuses about it.

Bump draft racing works like that. Understand before you get pissy


Yeah! So what if people die! Right?

/ after a few hours of nothing but watching freaking cars go round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round and round  prolly praying for death to put them out of the misery of that boredom, anyway


And... screw the haters... I'm going back to the actual thread
 
2013-02-23 05:23:11 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Not like you, of all people, might acknowledge the advanced that NASCAR has made in safety, not only for its own drivers, but for rescue workers and medical personnel, like yourself. Yeah .. screw that.


And don't forget a huge percentage of safety and performance advances that have made their way from racing into normal cars over the decades.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:14 PM  

Kurohone: I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.


Uh, that's exactly what I said.
 
2013-02-23 05:23:42 PM  

SurelyShirley: ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!

Got a link?


you were warned. That is the google search. Its the first link.

http://www.google.ca/#sclient=tablet-gws&hl=en&q=ukranianair+show+cr as h+video&oq=ukranianair+show+crash+video&gs_l=tablet-gws.3..0i13i30.141 46.16867.1.17435.8.8.0.0.0.1.294.1510.0j5j3.8.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.4. tablet-gws.vbJfgna_uhI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&bvm=bv.42768644,d. aWc&fp=d5f755bef315c11b&biw=768&bih=928
 
2013-02-23 05:23:52 PM  

germ78: I wonder how long it will take to repair the damaged sections of the fence?


They're already working on it like and army of ants after you knock over their hill.
 
2013-02-23 05:24:06 PM  

Kurohone: GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

I know you're just trolling, but for those who are trying to learn, if that was a 'regular' chainlink fence that engine would be in the concourse.

Seriously, take a look at those things some times.  Extra strength wire making the chainlink, reinforced posts set in concrete at remarkably short intervals, the whole thing backed with twisted cable ever 2 feet or so behind _that_....

Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.  The angle was a bit different than Keselowski's big one a couple years ago, so instead of getting rebounded right away, the car slide around and hit the next pole behind the front axle, which is what tore the front end off.  Tire probably was lost on the initial impact, which is why it cleared the fence and went so far up into the stands.

Kind of surprised to see that NASCAR hasn't got the cables on the tires yet.  That'll change by next week, quite possibly by tomorrow.


How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If only each of those spectators had a firearm.....................


Ladies and gentlemen, We Have A Winner.

That's for participating, please come back and try again next time.
 
2013-02-23 05:24:37 PM  
NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:37 PM  
Is there an ETA on the press conference?
 
2013-02-23 05:24:44 PM  

Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.


that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:12 PM  

Professor Farksworth: BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.

But it DID keep the actual car from coming inside the fence, which would've resulted in tens of deaths. The Catchfence's job is to catch debris and the car, and for only those pieces to make it through after a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH, then I'd say it pretty damn good job.


Yeah, why isn't anyone thinking about the fence? Poor fence.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:39 PM  

Benjamin Orr: Is this the thread where people that have never watched a race in their lives come to comment on the cause of the wreck?


Yes.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:42 PM  

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.
 
2013-02-23 05:25:45 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Cewley: nascar and buttsucking espn go into full lawsuit avoidance mode.

/Ya, they showed the engine laying in the walkway, but no victims laying on the ground, even though you could see they were being treated.  Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.  Don't worry, people have cell phones. I'm sure film will come soon.


You don't think it has more to do with the fact that most people don't enjoy seeing dead and/or dying humans on live television?
 
2013-02-23 05:26:05 PM  
So to buy a ticket to one of these races, does a fan have to sign a waiver? Or what? Whatever the case, I sure hope NASCAR covers medical costs here. Just... wow.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:05 PM  
Was the car in the stands?  Did the engine wipe out the first 3 rows?  I think the fence did what it needed to do.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:07 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


This race was pretty much like a minor league baseball team playing in a major league stadium.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:09 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Cars run very close together at restrictor plate races, and overheating is an issue. Near the end.. no one cares if they are overheating, so they just go for broke.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:14 PM  

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

<b>it's not exactly a regular chain link fence</b>

<b>It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.

</b>

Uhm, alright, if what you mean was that 'it must be (not exactly a regular chain link fence) since ...' alright, but that's not exactly the clearest grammar ever.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:16 PM  
Wait... I've seen this before...

www.filmofilia.com
 
2013-02-23 05:26:26 PM  

Shadow Blasko: RandomRandom: /This was just a matter of time, crappy fences, heavy cars.

Yeah, so weak that the fence decapitated an Indycar racer last year ... or have you already forgotten that?


I went to the truck race the day before that last year, was glad I decided to skip Sunday, it still sucked on TV though
 
2013-02-23 05:26:44 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:48 PM  
How many of those were Michigan drivers?
 
2013-02-23 05:26:52 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Err.. so its steam. They are overheating.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:55 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Steam, as water from the now busted radiators gets to escape
 
2013-02-23 05:27:01 PM  

Donnchadha: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.

Yeah, I don't really follow NASCAR and even I knew that they have to do that major drafting thing in order to maintain a leading position. I did notice that they were driving in groups of two -- and only two -- is that a new rule to try to prevent the giant clusterfark, like this?


not a rule, but it's been found that the two car tandem can make for some good speed and good passing, outside of the pack. The rear car drafts off of the leader, and in turn his extra power can push the leader faster. The drivers who were doing the tandem driving were fine, because they were in the lead. Those back in the pack were clumped together, and that's why so many cars got caught up in this wreck, and the Big One that happened just a few laps prior.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:09 PM  

mikemoto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?

Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.


Doh! It's just so hard to tell anymore.  We've been through the looking glass for so long it's hard to remember what the normal world was like.  I mean, I've got relatives that seriously blame Obama for the economic collapse that started a year he took office, and will get mad at me for asking how they can blame him for something that happened a year before he took office.  shiat, they were blaming him for the Iraq quagmire just a couple months after his inauguration.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:10 PM  

mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?


with a clip.  i wouldn't suggest using a staple gun...
 
2013-02-23 05:27:22 PM  

Professor Farksworth: a 3,400 lbs car hit it at 150 MPH,


Um, EXCUSE ME, but a NASCAR weighs 3300 pounds and they were moving at 175MPH.  Take a math class sometime.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:30 PM  

semiotix: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.


If something like this were to happen tomorrow instead of today, there would be a wildly different outcome.  Hopefully tomorrow doesn't see any wrecks on this scale.
 
2013-02-23 05:27:52 PM  
* year before he took office
 
2013-02-23 05:27:58 PM  
hollywoodnose.com
 
2013-02-23 05:28:08 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


They've elected a new Pope.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.


And much lighter Indycar transmission have shot through nearly identical fencing at both Indy and Texas (IIRC).

These fence systems do have large cables behind them, supporting the posts. The actual fencing itself isn't much more than backyard fencing.

This was just a matter of time, it was bound to happen.  NASCAR has long needed to install better protection systems for the fans.  What system?  Who can say, they'll need to design and test.  It will be expensive.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:11 PM  

mjones73: Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?

Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.


Oh did you mean during the actual racing or during the wreck? The wreck is tire smoke and whatever other fluids is coming of out of those cars after they were hit.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:19 PM  

wxboy: GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?

This race was pretty much like a minor league baseball team playing in a major league stadium.


Thank you.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:23 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


It's a Nationwide race, that's NASCAR's second tier of racing, the big crows show up for Sprint Cup races, NASCAR's top tier racing.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:45 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?

Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.

Doh! It's just so hard to tell anymore.  We've been through the looking glass for so long it's hard to remember what the normal world was like.  I mean, I've got relatives that seriously blame Obama for the economic collapse that started a year he took office, and will get mad at me for asking how they can blame him for something that happened a year before he took office.  shiat, they were blaming him for the Iraq quagmire just a couple months after his inauguration.


Whered they learn that tactic from?
 
2013-02-23 05:30:10 PM  
Looking at photos of the fence and debris makes me wonder if people were injured by the cables making up part of the barrier when they snapped. Those things are/were likely under a ton of tension.

Not sure why there isn't a 10-15 foot no mans land between those fences and the seats and standing area.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:20 PM  
In other news one million people die a year watching WRC, or at least that's what late night infomercials for "BANNED FROM TV YOU GOT TO SEE THIS ZOMG1111 VIDEOS" has made think

//but really, has to be the most dangerous sport to see live
 
2013-02-23 05:30:34 PM  
Going to a NASCAR race and complaining about taking a tire to the chops is like sitting ringside at UFC and complaining about being covered in blood at the end.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:50 PM  
 
2013-02-23 05:31:13 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?

It's a Nationwide race, that's NASCAR's second tier of racing, the big crows show up for Sprint Cup races, NASCAR's top tier racing.


And, thank you, too.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:14 PM  

semiotix: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

You have to complete the final lap under your own power, so probably DNF.

I'm kind of optimistic that they might get through this with zero fatalities. Yes, that tire will have killed everyone it touched, no questions asked. But the stands were pretty sparsely filled. Here's hoping.


The race finish order on the final lap is set when the yellow flag is thrown
 
2013-02-23 05:31:15 PM  

JonBuck: Popcorn Johnny: JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash.

The dude leading the race caused it. He admitted in a post-race interview that he was trying to block.

Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.


That's what happens when every car is limited to about the same top speed. They can't open up any sort of gap between themselves as they use each other to punch holes in the air.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:20 PM  

HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.


It must be a tough balancing act for Nascar.  On the one hand you want to minimize the risk of anyone getting hurt.  On the other hand you want fans to be able to get close to the action.  That is what they are paying for after all.  Despite all the hand wringing that will occur this is an extremely rare event.  Its sort of like if you are driving down the freeway and a scrap piece of metal falls off the back of a truck in front of you, piercing your window and potentially your head.  Do you go out and wail that windows are not designed properly since they dont stop flying metal rods? No, you recognize that not all risk can be eliminated without unacceptable tradeoffs. I see this one the same way. It is very unfortunate but also exceedingly rare and providing absolute certainty that it wouldnt happen again ( by putting in something like a 3ft thick steel wall you cant see through) just is not worth the tradeoff since that sort of event is unlikely to occur again.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:28 PM  

mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?


It's not connected to the tire itself, but to the steering knuckle or hub. When a wheel is ripped loose like that it isn't the lug nuts that give- it's the attachment of the suspension components that breaks. With a strap or cable to the frame of the vehicle it increases the chance that the wheel won't go flying.

F1 has used them for several years.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:33 PM  

Matthew Keene: They've elected a new Pope.


so much win
 
2013-02-23 05:31:42 PM  

mikaloyd: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.

We're not all as vindictive and hateful towards our fellow man as you.  What's it like to immediately have to put everything into a "your team vs. my team" political spectrum?

Hmm, my sarcasm meter was probably confused with a frog size exaggerator.

Doh! It's just so hard to tell anymore.  We've been through the looking glass for so long it's hard to remember what the normal world was like.  I mean, I've got relatives that seriously blame Obama for the economic collapse that started a year he took office, and will get mad at me for asking how they can blame him for something that happened a year before he took office.  shiat, they were blaming him for the Iraq quagmire just a couple months after his inauguration.

Whered they learn that tactic from?

The Fark Politics tab
 
2013-02-23 05:32:39 PM  

mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.


My friends, who like me are Democrats, are in those stands.  They were off to one side, and are posting pictures.
 
2013-02-23 05:32:49 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?

It's a Nationwide race, that's NASCAR's second tier of racing, the big crows show up for Sprint Cup races, NASCAR's top tier racing.


It's second tier the way minor league baseball would be if Verlander decided to play for the Mudhens for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-02-23 05:33:32 PM  
I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.
 
2013-02-23 05:34:46 PM  

mikaloyd: Whered they learn that tactic from?


No idea.  They're farking idiots, so I don't put much thought into anything that comes from their mouths.  At least one of them has referred to the President as a n___er, but maintains that he's not a racist because he "hears blacks call each other that all the time, so are they racist against themselves?"  fark him especially.
 
2013-02-23 05:35:22 PM  
Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself, especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.

It's sad this happened, but do people really expect different when it involves just ONE inadvertent right turn to send car parts flying at 200 mph?
 
2013-02-23 05:35:30 PM  

Jensaarai: Benjamin Orr: Is this the thread where people that have never watched a race in their lives come to comment on the cause of the wreck?

Yes.


Well I'm not saying it was aliens...
 
2013-02-23 05:35:39 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.


That's why NASCAR racing was an event in the ancient olympics- it's the purest athletic competition there is.
 
2013-02-23 05:35:45 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


Jesus!! Really??? Its steam.  Cars have these things called radiators and these radiators contain this stuff called water. The water is used to cool the engine and in the process picks up a significant amount of heat....
 
2013-02-23 05:35:50 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Donnchadha: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: JonBuck: Alright. Still, I can't believe those cars were so close together even before the crash.

that's just racing. Happens 36 times a year, give or take, per series.

Yeah, I don't really follow NASCAR and even I knew that they have to do that major drafting thing in order to maintain a leading position. I did notice that they were driving in groups of two -- and only two -- is that a new rule to try to prevent the giant clusterfark, like this?

not a rule, but it's been found that the two car tandem can make for some good speed and good passing, outside of the pack. The rear car drafts off of the leader, and in turn his extra power can push the leader faster. The drivers who were doing the tandem driving were fine, because they were in the lead. Those back in the pack were clumped together, and that's why so many cars got caught up in this wreck, and the Big One that happened just a few laps prior.


The couple superspeedway races I've seen, I remember 44 cars racing in two lines of 22 -- all packed that close. I wasn't sure if they're trying to break up the giant lines by rule at the moment.
 
2013-02-23 05:36:47 PM  
NASCAR is too busy getting videos removed from Youtube to worry about a press conference.
 
2013-02-23 05:36:55 PM  
I know this makes me a complete goofball, but do you know what I was thinking when I watched the video?

Isn't if funny how nascars lose all traction if they aren't going forward at 200mph?  Watch the yellow car in the youtube video, he's trying to keep it straight and ends up doing several 360's even though he's only going about 60ish.
 
2013-02-23 05:37:45 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.


They still have boxing, right?
 
2013-02-23 05:38:04 PM  

Donnchadha: The couple superspeedway races I've seen, I remember 44 cars racing in two lines of 22 -- all packed that close. I wasn't sure if they're trying to break up the giant lines by rule at the moment.


It's mainly the super speedways, like Daytona and Talledega, where the restrictor plate is in use that they run the tandems. It started last year at Daytona after NASCAR adjusted the aerodynamics of the car.
 
2013-02-23 05:38:36 PM  

C18H27NO3: Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.

They still have boxing, right?


Jesus. Are you still taping bumfights?
 
2013-02-23 05:38:46 PM  

mjones73: mjones73: Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?

Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.

Oh did you mean during the actual racing or during the wreck? The wreck is tire smoke and whatever other fluids is coming of out of those cars after they were hit.


I should have been more clear. During the last couple of laps before the crash the cars emit some sorts of vapor from the wheel wells and the leading edge of the  hood. Dude up thread said they overheat towards the end and the drivers don't care, they just go for it.
 
2013-02-23 05:39:06 PM  
HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.


It has a series of large wire ropes running horizontal. Without those, sure, the whole car would have gone through.
 
2013-02-23 05:39:42 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Jesus!! Really??? Its steam.  Cars have these things called radiators and these radiators contain this stuff called water. The water is used to cool the engine and in the process picks up a significant amount of heat....


Lovely attitude. "I know this information, but other people don't? How dare they not have the same interests as I do, and therefore have the audacity to ask questions in my presence!"
 
2013-02-23 05:39:54 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sportspeople_who_died_during_th ei r_careers

ctrl+f "in game" and "in-game" turned up 22 hits, mostly football from neck injuries.  I'm sure there's a ton more
 
2013-02-23 05:40:15 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Donnchadha: The couple superspeedway races I've seen, I remember 44 cars racing in two lines of 22 -- all packed that close. I wasn't sure if they're trying to break up the giant lines by rule at the moment.

It's mainly the super speedways, like Daytona and Talledega, where the restrictor plate is in use that they run the tandems. It started last year at Daytona after NASCAR adjusted the aerodynamics of the car.


my bad, 2011, not 2012
 
2013-02-23 05:40:30 PM  

Ima4nic8or: It must be a tough balancing act for Nascar. On the one hand you want to minimize the risk of anyone getting hurt. On the other hand you want fans to be able to get close to the action.


Most who follow motorsports have known for years that these fences were inadequate at high velocities.  NASCAR has never tried to truly address the problem.  Hell, these fences are inadequate for much lighter Indycars.

Most think the fence problem has never been truly addressed because there is no self evident solution.  NASCAR would have to test and design and test and design their own solution, at great expense.  NASCAR isn't much for spending their own money on safety R&D.  Most of NASCAR's much triumphed safety systems were designed by others.  The SAFER barrier was designed university researchers at the impetus of Indycar, not NASCAR.  HANS was designed by independent engineers connected to road racing, not NASCAR.

NASCAR does a lot of talking about safety, but leaves the heavy lifting of R&D spending to others.

It's about time NASCAR's insurers dropped them or skyrocketed their rates.  Money is the only thing that will wake up the NASCAR head office.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself, especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.

It's sad this happened, but do people really expect different when it involves just ONE inadvertent right turn to send car parts flying at 200 mph?


Really?  You don't get why your pock mocking NASCAR fans by implying that they would be cheering at people getting injured would be offensive?

And no, you really don't expect this at all.  I've been watching races, live and n TV, for 2 decades now.  I don't even need to move to my toes to count the number of times I've seen accidents ilke this, where the spectators get involved.  It's horrific.  Driver injuries, even deaths, you learn to expect.  But they are taking the risks, and getting the rewards.  The spectators don't expect this, no more than that little girl at a hockey game expected to die, no more than a person at a baseball game expects major reconstructive surgery after a bat goes into the stands.
 
2013-02-23 05:41:03 PM  
A guy got hit in the head with the tire and is in critical condition according to the buzz on Twitter.
 
2013-02-23 05:41:04 PM  
I hope they ban the sport.

/crosses fingers.
 
2013-02-23 05:41:41 PM  
Trackside on Speed is covering it now.
 
2013-02-23 05:42:34 PM  

BeSerious: I hope they ban the sport.

/crosses fingers.


I don't watch it, or even appreciate it as a sport, but it does a lot of good for society.  Think of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars.  Hint: most of them started in racing.
 
2013-02-23 05:42:54 PM  

BronyMedic: Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself,



www.totalprosports.com
 
2013-02-23 05:43:06 PM  
It's too early to have a conversation about races and violence.
 
2013-02-23 05:43:18 PM  
 
2013-02-23 05:43:40 PM  
And nothing of value was lost.
 
2013-02-23 05:43:55 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: BeSerious: I hope they ban the sport.

/crosses fingers.

I don't watch it, or even appreciate it as a sport, but it does a lot of good for society.  Think of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars.  Hint: most of them started in racing.


Also, moonshine.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:03 PM  

BronyMedic: especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.


You dont speak for me... or other fans. Stop being an asshole. you are better than this.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:33 PM  
In case anyone's interested, they're saying 15 injuries, and one person going into surgery for head trauma.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:35 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.


and bull-fighting.

Hemingway, I believe.
 
2013-02-23 05:45:21 PM  
Nasty little wreck, but "insane crash"? Hardly. Yes, debris flew into the stands, but that had nothing to do with the severity of the crash. It was bad luck and/or bad engineering of safety measures.
 
2013-02-23 05:45:36 PM  
 
2013-02-23 05:46:35 PM  

Cheese and Rice: mjones73: mjones73: Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?

Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.

Oh did you mean during the actual racing or during the wreck? The wreck is tire smoke and whatever other fluids is coming of out of those cars after they were hit.

I should have been more clear. During the last couple of laps before the crash the cars emit some sorts of vapor from the wheel wells and the leading edge of the  hood. Dude up thread said they overheat towards the end and the drivers don't care, they just go for it.


It's Quick Dry on the track, only place you'd see steam is the overflow up on the hood by the windshield.
 
2013-02-23 05:46:59 PM  

zedster: In other news one million people die a year watching WRC, or at least that's what late night infomercials for "BANNED FROM TV YOU GOT TO SEE THIS ZOMG1111 VIDEOS" has made think

//but really, has to be the most dangerous sport to see live


You've never been to a Pistons game.
 
2013-02-23 05:47:15 PM  
Speed reports that 15 fans were sent to local hospitals, and one is currently in surgery.
 
2013-02-23 05:48:05 PM  
Well, they wanted car crashes and by god, they got 'em.
 
2013-02-23 05:49:03 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


Wow. Tire in the grandstands.
 
2013-02-23 05:49:05 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


HOLY

CRAP
 
2013-02-23 05:49:18 PM  
i50.tinypic.com

i45.tinypic.com

"WOOOOOOOOH!!!! PEOPLE GETTING INJURED IS AWESOME!!"

or

"YEEEHAAAH, IMMA CATCH ME THAT ENGINE!!!!"
 
2013-02-23 05:49:40 PM  
Really? You don't get why your pock mocking NASCAR fans by implying that they would be cheering at people getting injured would be offensive?

And no, you really don't expect this at all. I've been watching races, live and n TV, for 2 decades now. I don't even need to move to my toes to count the number of times I've seen accidents ilke this, where the spectators get involved. It's horrific. Driver injuries, even deaths, you learn to expect. But they are taking the risks, and getting the rewards. The spectators don't expect this, no more than that little girl at a hockey game expected to die, no more than a person at a baseball game expects major reconstructive surgery after a bat goes into the stands.

This.
 
2013-02-23 05:50:05 PM  

Kurohone: BronyMedic: Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself, especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.

It's sad this happened, but do people really expect different when it involves just ONE inadvertent right turn to send car parts flying at 200 mph?

Really?  You don't get why your pock mocking NASCAR fans by implying that they would be cheering at people getting injured would be offensive?

And no, you really don't expect this at all.  I've been watching races, live and n TV, for 2 decades now.  I don't even need to move to my toes to count the number of times I've seen accidents ilke this, where the spectators get involved.  It's horrific.  Driver injuries, even deaths, you learn to expect.  But they are taking the risks, and getting the rewards.  The spectators don't expect this, no more than that little girl at a hockey game expected to die, no more than a person at a baseball game expects major reconstructive surgery after a bat goes into the stands.


Actually you should. I used to bring my baseball glove with me to catch pucks that flew into the crowd. Seen more than a few people get popped in the face by not paying attention. And yes when you go to baseball games you should watch out for bats and balls flying into the crowd as well. It's part of the sport. And unless you want to install fences around every single crowd those things will continue to happen. Same with racing. Even as a kid I knew that when going to an auto race parts flying into the crowd was a possibility.

Now they should always try to improve on safety at these events. And any negligence should be punished. but if you want to be 100% safe at any event stay home and watch it on tv.
 
2013-02-23 05:50:26 PM  
Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be
 
2013-02-23 05:50:29 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


Wow. Just a few seats away...
 
2013-02-23 05:50:52 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "WOOOOOOOOH!!!! PEOPLE GETTING INJURED IS AWESOME!!"

or

"YEEEHAAAH, IMMA CATCH ME THAT ENGINE!!!!"


or

WOOOOO TONY STEWART WON!!! HOLY SH*T ACCIDENT HAPPENING SO QUICKLY THAT I DON'T HAVE TIME TO REACT BEFORE THE CAMERA SNAPS THIS PICTURE!!
 
2013-02-23 05:50:55 PM  

djkutch: It's too early to have a conversation about races and violence.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 05:51:02 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


All of a sudden, there's a tire there. Wow.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:07 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: "WOOOOOOOOH!!!! PEOPLE GETTING INJURED IS AWESOME!!"

or

"YEEEHAAAH, IMMA CATCH ME THAT ENGINE!!!!"


Dude must be the Flash with those reaction times.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:43 PM  

banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be


Look before you post.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:52 PM  

mjones73: Cheese and Rice: mjones73: mjones73: Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?

Quick dry they put down on the track from the previous wreck, it's like dust, the cars are kicking up what's left of it.

Oh did you mean during the actual racing or during the wreck? The wreck is tire smoke and whatever other fluids is coming of out of those cars after they were hit.

I should have been more clear. During the last couple of laps before the crash the cars emit some sorts of vapor from the wheel wells and the leading edge of the  hood. Dude up thread said they overheat towards the end and the drivers don't care, they just go for it.

It's Quick Dry on the track, only place you'd see steam is the overflow up on the hood by the windshield.


Sorry I meant Speedy Dry. That's the white dust you see kicked up by all the cars on the one part of the track in the video showing them racing over a lap before the wreck.
 
2013-02-23 05:52:06 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: I've heard it said that the only true sports are auto racing and rock climbing...

Because there is actually risk of the demise of the participants.


Tell that to boxers like Duk Koo Kim and Benny Paret.
 
2013-02-23 05:52:14 PM  

RealAmericanHero: Ima4nic8or: Jesus!! Really??? Its steam.  Cars have these things called radiators and these radiators contain this stuff called water. The water is used to cool the engine and in the process picks up a significant amount of heat....

Lovely attitude. "I know this information, but other people don't? How dare they not have the same interests as I do, and therefore have the audacity to ask questions in my presence!"



Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.
 
2013-02-23 05:52:57 PM  

banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be


Jesus f*cking Christ.
 
2013-02-23 05:53:13 PM  

TeamEd: Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.

All of a sudden, there's a tire there. Wow.


The guy standing beside the camera person is shaking.

/I would be
 
2013-02-23 05:53:16 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


low atmosphere contrails used to deliver unknown chemicals/poisons to the drivers and fans.  i'm assuming it's a mind control substance, perhaps to instill a phobia of turning right.
 
2013-02-23 05:54:00 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: BeSerious: I hope they ban the sport.

/crosses fingers.

I don't watch it, or even appreciate it as a sport, but it does a lot of good for society.  Think of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars.  Hint: most of them started in racing. on the S Class and Volvos



That being said I wish NASCAR went back to being stock car like the Le Mans GT classes. The whole point of NASCAR being a manufacture series and requiring 500 units to be sold is gone, whats the point of a V8 rear wheel drive "Camry"? Either that or go F1 and have a common body
 
2013-02-23 05:54:10 PM  
Daytona?  The ghost of Dead Retard was just looking for some company, maybe he'll have a fan to talk to now.
 
2013-02-23 05:54:39 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.


True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:03 PM  
Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:05 PM  

A Fark Handle: low atmosphere contrails used to deliver unknown chemicals/poisons to the drivers and fans. i'm assuming it's a mind control substance, perhaps to instill a phobia of turning right.


I don't know about you, but when the road turns left, and to the right is a big wall, I would be afraid of turning right, too. Wouldn't even need chemicals, just a natural fear of crashing.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:24 PM  
These aren't real races.

Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

And NASCAR has been using their shiatty restrictor plates since 1988, because Bobby Allison tore the shiatty catchfence down at Talladega. But the plates don't work, they just bunch the cars up and make acidents like this possible.

fark NASCAR, they want dead fans and drivers, because they';ve had 25 years to fix this problem and haven't.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:24 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be

Jesus f*cking Christ.


And NASCAR has already taken it down.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:24 PM  
do NASCAR tickets come with fine print?  Is it like a ski lift ticket, where, if you look really close, you see that your death is your problem, should you die?
 
2013-02-23 05:56:39 PM  

RandomRandom: NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D. NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.


Holy crap.. You could not be more wrong.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:58 PM  

stirfrybry: Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.


Christ no!  Do you know how many stubbed toes and carpal tunnel injuries you can get from curling!  That'll be next on the ban list!

/just started curling this year.  A LOT more physical that it looks
 
2013-02-23 05:57:01 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.


Flemington was a great track...that horrible incident aside.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:04 PM  

Dinodork: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be

Jesus f*cking Christ.

And NASCAR has already taken it down.


it's on CNN, so they're too late
 
2013-02-23 05:57:22 PM  

Dinodork: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be

Jesus f*cking Christ.

And NASCAR has already taken it down.


We got it downloaded just in time.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:24 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


what this video really shows is that the view from the sofa is about a trillion times more interesting than the view for the stands.  stare at empty road. stare at empty road.  cars wiz by.  stare at empty road.  stare at empty road. car flies into stands.  stare at empty road.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:25 PM  
Le Mans scoffs at this so-called accident.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:30 PM  
Lets talk about fan riots at soccer stadiums.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:37 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video from the stands.


Looks like the car hit almost exactly where those fence doors were.
 
2013-02-23 05:57:58 PM  

the ha ha guy: Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.


Right, and knowing how your computer's file system works and why you get page faults is on par with knowing how to move your mouse. And I guess my driver's ed teachers were negligent for not explaining the specifics of the steam that appears when driving a car 200 MPH. Oh well, I managed to get by without knowing that extremely crucial and not at all trivial bit of information.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:32 PM  

the ha ha guy: RealAmericanHero: Ima4nic8or: Jesus!! Really??? Its steam.  Cars have these things called radiators and these radiators contain this stuff called water. The water is used to cool the engine and in the process picks up a significant amount of heat....

Lovely attitude. "I know this information, but other people don't? How dare they not have the same interests as I do, and therefore have the audacity to ask questions in my presence!"


Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.


Interestingly, my car doesn't produce steam as I drive it except out of the tailpipe. Same with most cars.
Obviously there's something different with the race cars; as people above said, it's just that they don't care if they overheat. But that would be far from the only option Heck, read that whole thread of conversation -- it sounds like part of it at least may have been Speedy Dry from the track.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:56 PM  

banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be


Dinodork: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be

Jesus f*cking Christ.

And NASCAR has already taken it down.


I see their social media department has the lawyers in the room with them while they troll YouTube.
 
2013-02-23 05:59:09 PM  
NASCAR is blocking fan video of the aftermath in the stands on "copyright grounds"

https://twitter.com/bobbychuck/status/305447419930370050
 
2013-02-23 05:59:21 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WhyteRaven74:

Cars have hit that fence scraped along it for 50 yards and it has held. It has held as car parts the size of a dinner table fly into it. It has held as cars have rolled up into it.

Yet it didn't hold today.


Sounds like a MLK speech.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:04 PM  

itsfullofstars: NASCAR is blocking fan video of the aftermath in the stands on "copyright grounds"

https://twitter.com/bobbychuck/status/305447419930370050


Nascar searches and blocks for all videos upload on race day with the race name or nascar in the title.

Not just this one.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:22 PM  

Shadow Blasko: RandomRandom: NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D. NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

Holy crap.. You could not be more wrong.


He may be wrong about that part, but NASCAR will not implement safety measures until someone his hurt or killed.

The HANS device, for example... should have been in use long before Dale Earnhardt was killed. 3 drivers had already died of similar injuries before Feb. 18, 2001. But it wasn't. Tey needed their biggest star's brainstem ripped apart before they would do something.

Roof flaps were developed and used by Roush but NASCAR would not allow their use until after Rusty Wallace's crashes in 1993 (IIRC).

NASCAR needs blood on its hands to do anything involving safety.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:33 PM  

banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be


Farkin' blocked already
 
2013-02-23 06:01:42 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Dude must be the Flash with those reaction times.


Yeah, you're right, a reaction time of several seconds would be pretty unbelievable.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:07 PM  
So now video you shoot on your phone isn't even yours?
 
2013-02-23 06:02:14 PM  

Shadow Blasko: itsfullofstars: NASCAR is blocking fan video of the aftermath in the stands on "copyright grounds"

https://twitter.com/bobbychuck/status/305447419930370050

Nascar searches and blocks for all videos upload on race day with the race name or nascar in the title.

Not just this one.


Someone might just have to make sure they *don't* include "NASCAR" or "Daytona 500" or "Daytona" when posting that video.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:24 PM  
*troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:29 PM  

banshee612: Here's a video of the crash from the grandstands and the aftermath. The film was taken right next to where the tire landed.

http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVW65Tyji_s&feature=youtu.be


NASCAR PR is on it!

Question:  So if the guy caused the crash on purpose, and people end up getting killed, think you can bring criminal charges for manslaughter?

Seriously, it's been wink wink, nudge nudge knowledge that these guys see taking each other out of a race with a crash as fair game, especially when they're feuding with the other team.  When you're going 200+ mph, and you have fans 100's of feet away, that's pretty irresponsible.

NASCAR will be in it for a huge civil suit, that's a given.  But honestly, I don't see why the guy who caused the crash can't be held criminally responsible for deaths. 
(He won;t be, there too much money in the sport, and that's how the world works)
 
2013-02-23 06:02:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: should have been in use long before Dale Earnhardt was killed. 3 drivers had already died of similar injuries before Feb. 18, 2001. But it wasn't. Tey needed their biggest star's brainstem ripped apart before they would do somethin


Except it ALREADY WAS in use. Dale just refused to use it, and it was still optional at the time.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:38 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.


Stop watching.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:30 PM  
Was there a Chinese lady driving on the track? Worst drivers ever.

/really though, sorry to hear about this.
//heard the camera man didn't make it.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:36 PM  

Shadow Blasko: FirstNationalBastard: should have been in use long before Dale Earnhardt was killed. 3 drivers had already died of similar injuries before Feb. 18, 2001. But it wasn't. Tey needed their biggest star's brainstem ripped apart before they would do somethin

Except it ALREADY WAS in use. Dale just refused to use it, and it was still optional at the time.


It was in use by Kyle Petty and Brett Bodine. BFD.

It should have been mandatory after Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin wound up dead.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:56 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Popcorn Johnny: Dude must be the Flash with those reaction times.

Yeah, you're right, a reaction time of several seconds would be pretty unbelievable.


So it's several seconds between the car flying through the air and him fist pumping? Perhaps you should go watch the video and get back with us.
 
2013-02-23 06:03:59 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Oh puhleeze. That is just racing. The guy driving behind has a duty to his sponsors, etc to try to win and that is what he did.  He made a last second move.


I know the sponsors would never be on the hook for expenses of those injured, but it would be interesting to see a sponsor pony up for some of the medical expenses here.
 
2013-02-23 06:04:12 PM  

ClavellBCMI: Someone might just have to make sure they *don't* include "NASCAR" or "Daytona 500" or "Daytona" when posting that video


COPD 300 /NASCAR Wreck is what you need to not use.

You also would have to change the video length at this point, as that checksum is under the gun.

-twitter is exploding with people biatching about coverup.. and I bet this was an automated takedown. People going nuts over nothing.
 
2013-02-23 06:04:13 PM  

thorthor: Lets talk about fan riots at soccer stadiums.


Or grandstand fires. From the first flames, it took about 5 minutes to get to this point. Bradford Disaster.
www.chack.co.uk
 
2013-02-23 06:04:18 PM  

TiiiMMMaHHH: do NASCAR tickets come with fine print?  Is it like a ski lift ticket, where, if you look really close, you see that your death is your problem, should you die?


Yes.
 
2013-02-23 06:04:21 PM  
Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.
 
2013-02-23 06:04:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Shadow Blasko: FirstNationalBastard: should have been in use long before Dale Earnhardt was killed. 3 drivers had already died of similar injuries before Feb. 18, 2001. But it wasn't. Tey needed their biggest star's brainstem ripped apart before they would do somethin

Except it ALREADY WAS in use. Dale just refused to use it, and it was still optional at the time.

It was in use by Kyle Petty and Brett Bodine. BFD.

It should have been mandatory after Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin wound up dead.


I agree with you.
 
2013-02-23 06:04:59 PM  

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.


I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.
 
2013-02-23 06:05:03 PM  
Remind me to attend NASCAR events...at a minimum distance of 5000 yards
 
2013-02-23 06:05:12 PM  

RealAmericanHero: the ha ha guy: Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.

Right, and knowing how your computer's file system works and why you get page faults is on par with knowing how to move your mouse. And I guess my driver's ed teachers were negligent for not explaining the specifics of the steam that appears when driving a car 200 MPH. Oh well, I managed to get by without knowing that extremely crucial and not at all trivial bit of information.



So 200MPH steam is magically different than 50MPH steam or steam while parked? These aren't run by magic pixie dust, these are normal cars, and abide by the same basic laws of physics as every single other car in existence.

And if your driver's ed course didn't tell you the absolute basics like "if your car starts steaming, it's probably overheating and you should pull over", you need to get a refund, and possibly re-take the class.
 
2013-02-23 06:05:30 PM  

kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.


Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:06 PM  

Kurohone: stirfrybry: Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.

Christ no!  Do you know how many stubbed toes and carpal tunnel injuries you can get from curling!  That'll be next on the ban list!

/just started curling this year.  A LOT more physical that it looks


I actually really enjoying watching curling last Winter Olympics.  There's a lot more strategy to that than seems at first.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:17 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: So it's several seconds between the car flying through the air and him fist pumping?


No but it's several seconds from the time the cars start smacking into each other until the one flies through the fence.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:21 PM  

hulk hogan meat shoes: kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.

Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.


Waits for the backhair "3" shaved in pic .. its inevitable now.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:29 PM  
Fan video is near the bottom of this page. Try deleting this one, NASCAR.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:19 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.


You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:53 PM  

Shadow Blasko: itsfullofstars: NASCAR is blocking fan video of the aftermath in the stands on "copyright grounds"

https://twitter.com/bobbychuck/status/305447419930370050

Nascar searches and blocks for all videos upload on race day with the race name or nascar in the title.

Not just this one.


That's scary.
 
2013-02-23 06:07:58 PM  

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


Since I don't follow racing I don't know which types of racing, or what promotions actually do the R&D and engineering work.  All I know is that my ride to work or the grocery store is safer because of it, and I like that.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:10 PM  

GAT_00: Kurohone: stirfrybry: Hey GAT,
stick to watching figure skating and ice curling.

Christ no!  Do you know how many stubbed toes and carpal tunnel injuries you can get from curling!  That'll be next on the ban list!

/just started curling this year.  A LOT more physical that it looks

I actually really enjoying watching curling last Winter Olympics.  There's a lot more strategy to that than seems at first.


I loved to watch the championships when i lived back home and got Canadian tv stations. It actually is quite interesting. Always wanted to try playing it.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:30 PM  
Part of the issue with NASCAR is they refuse to let anyone succeed by actually having a better car and/or engine. When Petty was dominating way back in the day, they outlawed Chrysler's engine. A few years back when Dodge, or was it Toyota, had cars that were getting through the air better than the others NASCAR forced them to make a change no one else had to make. Instead of telling the people with the slower/worse stuff to suck it up and make better stuff they've always been after punishing anyone who figures out how to do better than the pack.
 
2013-02-23 06:09:31 PM  

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.


Yes, I was awake, off from work, bored, and saw a FARK thread.

And it was a boring race punctuated by three large accidents. That's what plate racing is... long stretches of bredom followed by massive accidents where someone winds up hurt or dead.

It's not real racing, and if the tracks can't be made to work without plates, bulldoze 'em and build a North Wilkesboro clone.
 
2013-02-23 06:11:26 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Part of the issue with NASCAR is they refuse to let anyone succeed by actually having a better car and/or engine. When Petty was dominating way back in the day, they outlawed Chrysler's engine. A few years back when Dodge, or was it Toyota, had cars that were getting through the air better than the others NASCAR forced them to make a change no one else had to make. Instead of telling the people with the slower/worse stuff to suck it up and make better stuff they've always been after punishing anyone who figures out how to do better than the pack.


If they didn't regulate things, somebody would be out there with a car doing 250 mph on straightaways.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:06 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes


Thanks
 
2013-02-23 06:14:27 PM  

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes

Thanks


So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

I'll remember never to watch another one so my opinion means something.

Or will you then use the fact that I haven't watched any race to try to invalidate a correct opinion?
 
2013-02-23 06:14:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: If they didn't regulate things, somebody would be out there with a car doing 250 mph on straightaways.


you can regulate things and not destroy the differences between the cars.
 
2013-02-23 06:15:11 PM  

Shadow Blasko: hulk hogan meat shoes: kteela: Dude in the video did exactly what I suspected he had done when I saw the still shot of the injury from above.  He took the shirt off his back to help the guy sitting behind him.  I love this community.  Troll away, you can't take that away from us.

Dude needed a back waxing something fierce though.

Waits for the backhair "3" shaved in pic .. its inevitable now.


I was totally going to post that... but now I'm not. Fark you. You can't tell me what to do!
 
2013-02-23 06:15:26 PM  
Farking red neck drivers.
 
2013-02-23 06:15:27 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Holy crap.. You could not be more wrong.


You're drinking WAYYY too much NASCAR kooliad.  NASCAR is not only terrible at R&D spending for safety, they're typically the last of the major racing series to adopt recognized, new safety features.

HANS wasn't invented by NASCAR.  It was invented by private engineers working with road racing.  NASCAR were the VERY LAST major racing series to mandate it, it took Dale Earnhart's death to do that.

The SAFER barrier wasn't invented by NASCAR.  It was invented by a university with impetus and funding from Indycar.  NASCAR claims it as their own, in reality, they had almost nothing to do with its development.

As for safety within their cars. NASCAR vehicles could be so much safer were they permitted to use carbon fiber crash structures, they're not.

Fencing?  It's been known for decades that the fencing at oval tracks was inadequate at keeping engines and transmissions from shooting through.  Much lighter Indycar transmissions have shot through nearly identical fencing on at least two occasions and I think there was a third.

That's the point.  NASCAR knew these fences were inadequate but haven't invested in the R&D to fix the problem.  A lot of the reason is probably that there is no self evident fix.  They can't make the fencing much thicker without blocking the view from the stands.  It's even possible that there isn't a suitable fix.

The point it, we don't know if there's a solution to the fencing problem because NASCAR isn't spending the R&D to find out.  When it comes to safety, the NASCAR organization are cheap bastards that leech off the rest of racing.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:16 PM  
The restrictor plates were enacted after Bobby Allison's absurd crash at Talladega in '87 when he flipped into the fencing and launched debris into the stands.  

Fun fact NASCAR: Your plates don't work. Yes, you slow the cars down, but you do it in such a way that the cars are forced artificially close together - dramatically increasing the risk of catastrophic accident.

Shrink the engines if you're obsessed with the speeds, but otherwise rip out the first 20 rows of seats at each track and just let the cars go.If you restrict them, you get these sorts of accidents. If you don't, you still get accidents but they tend to wind up causing less damage as a whole.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:54 PM  
Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.
 
2013-02-23 06:17:30 PM  
 
2013-02-23 06:18:48 PM  
I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.
 
2013-02-23 06:19:10 PM  
Teach idiots to sit ten feet from 3,500-pound amalgamations of hot metal traveling at 250 feet per second.
Kinetic, people, kinetic.
Danger.
 
2013-02-23 06:19:38 PM  
Is Michael Annet alive?
 
2013-02-23 06:19:58 PM  
Holy sh*t what a wreck! Hope everyone recovers and no one was killed.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:59 PM  
They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:23 PM  
THANKS, OBAMA!

/seriously, though - i hope everyone survives this awful incident.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:51 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.


Welcome to Rube Goldberg's abortion clinic.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:24 PM  
 
2013-02-23 06:22:26 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.

Welcome to Rube Goldberg's abortion clinic.


I laughed.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:28 PM  
The fan who took the video of the tire ending up in the seats probably should have held on to it and sold it to a news or sports network instead of upping it to YouTube and getting a copyright notice.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:27 PM  

GRCooper: Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.


I noticed that too. If I had to guess I'd say that he's the one in surgery with the head trauma.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?


Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.
 
2013-02-23 06:23:45 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: They're interviewing fans who say that a guy got hit in the head with a "piece of steel" and that after it bounced off of his head, it embedded itself in his wife's stomach.


if that were true itd be all over twitter but since its not that didnt happen.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:00 PM  

ontariolightning: Is Michael Annet alive?


yeah. he's being kept overnight for observation. Severe chest bruising, and I would assume it is a steering wheel shaped bruise
 
2013-02-23 06:26:04 PM  

Seige101: Not sure how long this will last


Damn
 
2013-02-23 06:26:18 PM  
If only the fans had been armed.....
 
2013-02-23 06:26:39 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Teach idiots to sit ten feet from 3,500-pound amalgamations of hot metal traveling at 250 feet per second.
Kinetic, people, kinetic.
Danger.


10 feet, 100 feet, doesn't really matter.  If there's a wheel with your name on it, you're done.  There's a photo at the Jalopnik link that shows one of the wheels went all the way to the sky boxes.  NASCAR wheels are heavy things.  Move them at 190MPH and they'll got a lot further than 10 feet.

In 1987, a fan at the Indy 500 was standing at the highest row of their high grandstands and was killed instantly by flying wheel.
 

/If you're in the grandstands, you're at risk.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:39 PM  

rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.


Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.
 
2013-02-23 06:27:41 PM  

akula: mjones73: How the hell would you put a cable on a tire?

It's not connected to the tire itself, but to the steering knuckle or hub. When a wheel is ripped loose like that it isn't the lug nuts that give- it's the attachment of the suspension components that breaks. With a strap or cable to the frame of the vehicle it increases the chance that the wheel won't go flying.

F1 has used them for several years.


F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.
 
2013-02-23 06:29:23 PM  

Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.


keister.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-23 06:30:23 PM  

RandomRandom: /If you're in the grandstands, you're at risk.


Exactly this. If you go to feel the thunder you just might get hit by lightning.
 
2013-02-23 06:30:48 PM  
I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.
 
2013-02-23 06:31:29 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.


Jesus Christ, who would want to read what you post about anything?
 
2013-02-23 06:31:52 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ad Infinitum?


Yes, in the past. Which you stopped and I thanked you.
 
2013-02-23 06:33:14 PM  

killershark: I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.


Because the owners will just put the guys from the BGN series in the cars and run 'em. Happened the last time drivers walked out because of safety concerns, and it would happen again.

Sponsors, you know.

Hell, loss of sponsor money and contracts would keep drivers from sitting out a race.
 
2013-02-23 06:33:19 PM  
Women drivers...
 
2013-02-23 06:33:50 PM  

Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump. Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier. The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.


F1 wheels are held on by safety tethers made of one of the strongest substances known to man.  Yet F1 wheels still go flying in accidents similar to this one.  It's doubtful F1's tethers would have kept these wheels from flying into the grandstands.

Those fences are cheese graters, rub a wheel against them at 190mph + and the wheel is coming off.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:03 PM  

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence



well good thing they had this special fence and all is well in the world.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:04 PM  
Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?
 
2013-02-23 06:34:52 PM  

phrawgh: Women drivers...


useless commenters
 
2013-02-23 06:35:31 PM  

roadpuppets: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.

Jesus Christ, who would want to read what you post about anything?


Certainly not sensitive turn left, repeat fans.
 
2013-02-23 06:35:31 PM  

Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.


That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.
 
2013-02-23 06:36:55 PM  

italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?


Near the bottom of the page. Link
 
2013-02-23 06:37:21 PM  

Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.


it's spelled, "LeMans"
 
2013-02-23 06:37:57 PM  

DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"


Le Mans

ftfm
 
2013-02-23 06:38:01 PM  

JonBuck: The idiot driving the white car behind the leader looks like the cause of this crash. It looks like he was bumper-to-bumper with the black car through most of the final lap. He gave the car ahead of him a little nudge, and BOOM.

I hope they throw the book at him.  There's no excuse.


They drove bumper-to-bumper and he then gave him a little nudge?
Now I hope the state trooper is going to write him a ticket for such reckless driving.
 
2013-02-23 06:38:33 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: killershark: I was at the '05 US Grand Prix in Indy when only six cars started because of safety concerns. Politics aside, F1 drivers once again proved that day what pulling together can do to help the safety of the sport. When are NASCAR drivers going to step up to secure their safety and the safety of the fans? Daytona is a big race but since 2000 at that track, you've had a major star die, the track get ripped to shreads, and a huge jet fuel explosion that miraculously didn't kill anyone. And now this. The drivers need to stand together as one and finally say enough is enough.

Because the owners will just put the guys from the BGN series in the cars and run 'em. Happened the last time drivers walked out because of safety concerns, and it would happen again.

Sponsors, you know.

Hell, loss of sponsor money and contracts would keep drivers from sitting out a race.


Agreed, and that's unfortunate when the sport puts money ahead of safety. But I just can't see someone like Jeff Gordon or Jimmie Johnson taking a small hit to sit out a race without fans and the media taking notice. I think it could a PR nightmare for sponsors if they threaten to pull Dale Jr.'s contract if he sits out a race because he wants fans to be safe in the stands.
 
2013-02-23 06:39:12 PM  
How did my gal Danica make out in this race?
 
2013-02-23 06:39:54 PM  

Radioactive Ass: GRCooper: Just watched the video from the stands again.

There was a cameraman right where the engine came through.  He wasn't there when the camera panned back.

Fark.

I noticed that too. If I had to guess I'd say that he's the one in surgery with the head trauma.


This suggests he's, relatively, okay
 
2013-02-23 06:40:47 PM  
7pm press conference according to Speed.
 
2013-02-23 06:41:06 PM  

ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!


Just watched the sukhoi 2006 one. good lord. dead children, pieces of mangled flesh, severed limbs, long streaks of what used to be people on the ground...
 
2013-02-23 06:42:22 PM  
I think, technically, it was the first car accross the line that ended the race or did they wave the flag before he got there?
 
2013-02-23 06:42:57 PM  
If I ever watch NASCAR, which is almost never, I do so for the wrecks. If idiot drivers want to call themselves athletes and try to kill each other, that is their choice. However, when they go out and harm fans that is another story. I am sure it was 100% unintentional, but I have a gut feeling NASCAR officials recognize the allure of fiery crashes and try to capitalize on it.
 
2013-02-23 06:42:57 PM  

Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?


Her car had mechanical difficulties and she went to the garage somewhere in the middle of the race. I wasn't watching, but Mr. Jessica Farker had it on out in the front room and regularly gave me updates.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:30 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: I don't follow NASCAR, but the stands seem empty, are they always that way?


This race was a nationwide series(formerly Bush Grand national) and not a sprint cup(formerly winston cup) so its like a minor league baseball game.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:34 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: So, basically, I watch one race in two years, and that proves something?

Yes it proves that you were lying when you say you don't watch. But that doesn't really matter...

As someone who has followed NASCAR, most likely since before you were born, I am in complete agreement that the sport is a shell of what it used to be. I don't like what has happened either.
I'm just tired of reading your posts about it ad infinitum. You sound like a broken record.
Having said that, thank you for staying away from the race day threads last year and not dropping your deuces all over them. You said that you would stay away, and in that case you were truthful.

Ad Infinitum?

Lessee, I've posted 8 times in this thread, tried out a truck thread last night (which apparently makes me a liar because I watched one race in two years with a computer in front of me), and otherwise, only posted in NASCAR threads when it was an article I happened to submit and got greened, which would have been two or three since late-2010.

You make me want to troll the fark out of every NASCAR thread now just to piss you, specifically, off.

/but I won't, because pissing off one ass isn't worth pissing off everyone else who posts in the threads.


We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?
 
2013-02-23 06:44:47 PM  

parkerlewis: We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?


This thread is now ponies?
 
2013-02-23 06:44:49 PM  
There was a caution flag within the last 10-15 laps of the race to bring the racing field together before the last few laps?  That way the crowd could see the cars racing neck and neck at the end of the race? Color me SHOCKED.

% of NASCAR races with a yellow flag within the last 10-15 laps: ....[something ridiculously high]
 
2013-02-23 06:45:07 PM  

Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?


She turned off her ignition by accident and thought her engine was blown, so she pulled into the garage and basically took herself out of the race.
 
2013-02-23 06:45:30 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump.  Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier.  The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.

[keister.files.wordpress.com image 780x439]


*sigh*

RandomRandom: Mister Peejay: F1 uses center-lug wheels and almost-strong-enough suspension arms that will collapse if the cars hit a bump. Uprights breaking free is fairly common.

Circle track cars use steel control arms and IIRC they still use steel wheels even at the top tier. The failure mode is the wheel pulling over the 1" hex lug nuts and/or ripping the center out of the wheel.

F1 wheels are held on by safety tethers made of one of the strongest substances known to man.  Yet F1 wheels still go flying in accidents similar to this one.  It's doubtful F1's tethers would have kept these wheels from flying into the grandstands.


The point I was trying to make is that F1 does not tether the wheel, it tethers the UPRIGHT to the car, since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links.  Circle track cars have much more robust suspension design because the cars are heavier, run on banking, introduce suspension loads differently to begin with (coils and shocks directly on the lower arms instead of tension rods going straight from the uprights to inboard shocks), and have to deal with "contact" on an extremely regular basis.  When a wheel comes off of a circle track car, it's generally only that, not the entire corner of the suspension.

None of that is really relevant, since the car so thoroughly disassembled itself.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:18 PM  

duenor: ontariolightning: Meh. It's nothing like those eastern european air show crashes where peoples guts are all over the ground .. and oh look a severed head!

Just watched the sukhoi 2006 one. good lord. dead children, pieces of mangled flesh, severed limbs, long streaks of what used to be people on the ground...


just horrible images you'll never forget.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:37 PM  

Donnchadha: parkerlewis: We stay out of your My Little Pony threads, how about showing the same respect?

This thread is now ponies?


This thread started off beneath ponies dignity levels. If a pony showed up now you know its a whorse.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:44 PM  

Mister Peejay: *sigh*


You apparently don't understand the reference.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:55 PM  
At least the sponsors got their money's worth.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:06 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?

Near the bottom of the page. Link


Just as the crash started "WHOOOO Here we go!"

That tune changed quick. Yikes.

Shame on Speed and NASCAR for most of the reporting being about the heroic efforts of the welders fixing the track for tomorrow and yanking any video.about it. Image and profits above all else. Fark NASCAR.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:25 PM  
Mister Peejay:  since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links.

They should use that Stainmaster stuff, really holds up well!
 
2013-02-23 06:49:17 PM  

Mister Peejay: The point I was trying to make is that F1 does not tether the wheel, it tethers the UPRIGHT to the car, since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links. Circle track cars have much more robust suspension design because the cars are heavier, run on banking, introduce suspension loads differently to begin with (coils and shocks directly on the lower arms instead of tension rods going straight from the uprights to inboard shocks), and have to deal with "contact" on an extremely regular basis. When a wheel comes off of a circle track car, it's generally only that, not the entire corner of the suspension.

None of that is really relevant, since the car so thoroughly disassembled itself.


Yes, I realized the differences you were addressing.

My point was that even if an F1 style wheel tether could somehow have been attached to just the wheels of that NASCAR vehicle, it would have been very unlikely to have kept those wheels out of the grandstand.
 
2013-02-23 06:49:28 PM  

Sarah Jessica Farker: Any Pie Left: How did my gal Danica make out in this race?

Her car had mechanical difficulties and she went to the garage somewhere in the middle of the race. I wasn't watching, but Mr. Jessica Farker had it on out in the front room and regularly gave me updates.


I am completely shocked by her results today.

/not shocked
 
2013-02-23 06:50:15 PM  

DerPups: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

Le Mans

ftfm


Google it.  It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:40 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: italie: Stands video pulled already. anyone manage to grab it?

Near the bottom of the page. Link


Thanks. Amazing how fast that happened. Hope everyone comes out of it OK.
 
2013-02-23 06:51:43 PM  
I hope everyone's okay.

Here's a similarly nuts crash from the NASCAR truck series a while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmT3gQQdJm4&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-02-23 06:51:58 PM  

JonBuck: I haven't watched racing for ~15 years. I didn't recall cars racing together that closely at the time.


1983
static.ddmcdn.com

1979
static.ddmcdn.com

1974
static.ddmcdn.com

1960
www.curbsideclassic.com
 
2013-02-23 06:52:15 PM  
For those wanting gory pictures of the accident from the stands, this just in from the INS press service

fc01.deviantart.net
 
2013-02-23 06:53:36 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: *sigh*

You apparently don't understand the reference.


Listen, pal, in my home country of What we only speak two languages:  English, and Bad English.
 
2013-02-23 06:55:55 PM  

DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"


I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
 
2013-02-23 06:57:55 PM  
So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?
 
2013-02-23 06:58:29 PM  

Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


During Concours week at Pebble Beach there are tons of car events going on all over the peninsula... Classic car races at Laguna Seca, auctions all over Monterey, car shows everywhere in Pacific Grove and Carmel, rides up and down the coast to Big Sur... and The Concours de Lemons on Highway 68. It's a pretty nice alternative to the snootyness at Pebble.
 
2013-02-23 06:59:42 PM  

Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


Holy crap i had no idea they did this. I think I got a summer project for myself!
 
2013-02-23 06:59:49 PM  

dickfreckle: Jesus, that's awful. I know that race fans love crashes (whether they admit or not) but there comes a point when a crash is no longer entertainment.


Sometime before that flying tire takes your head off, I would think.
 
2013-02-23 07:01:10 PM  

Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/


24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?
 
2013-02-23 07:02:50 PM  
c0014684.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2013-02-23 07:03:31 PM  

Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?


There certainly wouldn't be as much kinetic energy, so if all else was equal it wouldn't have nearly the chance of such horrific results.  Same car going 140 instead of 180 only has about 61% of the kinetic energy.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:48 PM  
they are doing a press release now
http://www.nascar.com/presspass
 
2013-02-23 07:06:34 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]


I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

i129.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 07:06:35 PM  

puffy999: Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?



I'm not sure fiesta is the right word, it's really more like a party.
 
2013-02-23 07:07:41 PM  
Nevermind the rampant carnage, engine smashing through a fence, and two dozen-plus injuries (14 treated at track, another dozen-plus taken to hospital), NASCAR SAYS THE TRACK WILL BE READY FOR TOMORROW!
 
2013-02-23 07:07:45 PM  

Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?


They have those kind of races. It's called your local short track.
 
2013-02-23 07:08:03 PM  

Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.


Troll mode not functioning...

KINDA TURE.
 
2013-02-23 07:08:09 PM  

puffy999: Dinodork: http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

24 hours of some sort of citrus fiesta?


I think it's Portuguese for "24 Hours of The Mons".
 
2013-02-23 07:08:14 PM  

kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]


I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"
 
2013-02-23 07:10:33 PM  
This press conference is a joke.
 
2013-02-23 07:11:15 PM  
Well, that was a worthless 'press conference' ...

/not that I had high expectations
 
2013-02-23 07:12:01 PM  
NASCAR *actually* managing to make it WORSE for themselves with this press conference.  This is quickly turning into one of the most epic PR disasters I've seen in ages.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:06 PM  
My take from this "news conference" is that Joey Chitwood is a gigantic douche.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:25 PM  

mikaloyd: they are doing a press release now
http://www.nascar.com/presspass


Jesus Christ.  Watched 15 seconds of that:

"We're getting the track repaired. We're definitely going to be able to put on tomorrow's money maker.  Questions?"
"Do we know about the condition of fans that were injured?"
"That's not a hair question."
"What type of precautions do you take to avoid this type of incident?"
That's not a hair question."

/basically the same kind of response
 
2013-02-23 07:13:08 PM  

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


I am not convinced this is a case of NASCAR being cheap.  Like any large organization they no doubt have risk managment policies in place and decide where to spend on safety based on tools like FMEA.  Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.  So they probably invest money on safety improvements where they will do the most good.  Despite the crash being very high profile I would bet there are actually much more significant safety risks at the typical track.  In fact I would bet more fans probably got hurt through slips and falls, or fistfights, or alcohol overdoses on the same day the crash occured.  So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:51 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Marine1: So, let's say they go back to actual stock cars, where the cars go 140 instead of 180. Does this crap happen as often?

They have those kind of races. It's called your local short track.


True, but those surely don't get the R&D spending that the NASCAR series do.
 
2013-02-23 07:14:55 PM  

Bane of Broone: kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]

I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"


What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:07 PM  

penguin31: Nevermind the rampant carnage, engine smashing through a fence, and two dozen-plus injuries (14 treated at track, another dozen-plus taken to hospital), NASCAR SAYS THE TRACK WILL BE READY FOR TOMORROW!


Is that a problem?
 
2013-02-23 07:15:20 PM  

This is a late parrot: This press conference is a joke.


Well due to HIPAA there is not a lot they can say even if they wanted to.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:56 PM  
2 fans in critical. 1 is a minor.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:09 PM  

kriegfusion: Bane of Broone: kriegfusion: Popcorn Johnny: Tire in stands

[pbs.twimg.com image 640x960]

I wonder who sold a tire a ticket to watch the race. Must be a father tire, watching his son tire go round and round. "Look, there goes my boy! They rotate so fast"  /sniffle, dabs eye with cloth

[i129.photobucket.com image 220x150]

I laughed entirely too hard at your comment. The accompanying GIF was perfect.

/clicks "funny"

What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.


No clue. I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:12 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: upload.wikimedia.org
/Just wanted to be sure.


Hurrrkkk
 
2013-02-23 07:19:38 PM  

penguin31: NASCAR *actually* managing to make it WORSE for themselves with this press conference.  This is quickly turning into one of the most epic PR disasters I've seen in ages.


What about that poop deck/cruise thing I had been reading last week, was this worse?
 
2013-02-23 07:20:06 PM  
I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.
 
2013-02-23 07:21:45 PM  
NASCAR: Iff'n you get hit with a car part, you get to keep it!!!
 
2013-02-23 07:21:50 PM  

Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.


Welcome to the madness.
 
2013-02-23 07:23:38 PM  

menolikepoopybad: This is a late parrot: This press conference is a joke.

Well due to HIPAA there is not a lot they can say even if they wanted to.


I see your point and all, I was just a little underwhelmed considering the hype of the press conference itself.
 
2013-02-23 07:24:33 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.

Welcome to the madness.


What VW said
 
2013-02-23 07:25:01 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.

that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.


From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media  and other people to cross the track after/before events.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: They're lucky the stands weren't packed or it could have been a lot worse. Probably also would have been some people walking next to the fence when the engine came through.


Jesus H McPherson, you aren't kidding--if that had happened during the Daytona 500 itself, we'd probably be looking at the worst crowd casualty in a motorsports event since LeMans 1955 (where scores of people ended up being killed--this led to a ban on motorsports in many European countries, one STILL in effect to this day in Switzerland).

Even if everyone survives, this is going to lead to a lot of changes, just because the Big Two trackowners don't want to be sued into insolvency :P

/yes, this wreck gives me the fear a bit, because I've SAT that close at KMS and moreso at Bristol...admittedly, the cars don't go so fast they go airborne at Bristol or even KMS to the extent they do at superspeedways, but realising I've sat closer than those in the line of fire does give me the hooboojeebies just a bit
//doesn't help that I've spent much of the month reading Dr. Stephen Olvey's "Rapid Response" about him working with the CART safety crews
 
2013-02-23 07:25:47 PM  

Cheese and Rice: NASCAR dudes, what's that white vapor looking stuff streaming off the cars?


steam. when they shut them down they release pressure on the cooling system
 
2013-02-23 07:25:57 PM  
Shakes fist at Montag19.
 
2013-02-23 07:25:59 PM  
Ima4nic8or: So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.

NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks. People falling down the stairs or getting sunburned is not their problem.

They are a sanctioning body for a racing series, and as such, they have a responsibility to their participants to provide reasonable standards of safety. They practically never develop any safety device or procedure themselves; they merely wait for other sanctioning bodies to do all the work, then whenever NASCAR decides to adopt what has become common practice everywhere else in motorsports, they make sure they take credit for the idea at every opportunity.
 
2013-02-23 07:27:16 PM  
this is why when my friends and I go to a NASCAR race we by infield tickets and camp/party through the weekend. when crashes happen debris flies outward (most of the time) and we sit in the infield and watch the "CAR"nage from on top of the RV
 
2013-02-23 07:30:23 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: I finally broke down and registered after years of lurking just last week so your guess is as good as mine.

Welcome to the madness.


It was the Politics Tab that got me do it so I think I may just fit in with the madness, but thank you though. 

/Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch
 
2013-02-23 07:30:32 PM  

Ed_Severson: NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks


Semantics.

The owners of Nascar own most of the company that owns most of the tracks on which NASCAR runs.

/Yes, they own the tracks.
 
2013-02-23 07:30:34 PM  

Ed_Severson: Ima4nic8or: So where do you put your safety funds? Into improving spectator safety to address a single high profile incident that is probably never going to occur again? Or toward mitigating the mundane day-to-day risks that actually have a much higher occurrance rate?  It would depend on what has the highest combination of severity and occurrance.  I can only speculate but I doubt it is the high profile incidents like this that cause the most and/or worst injuries over the long haul.

NASCAR does not own and operate race tracks. People falling down the stairs or getting sunburned is not their problem.

They are a sanctioning body for a racing series, and as such, they have a responsibility to their participants to provide reasonable standards of safety. They practically never develop any safety device or procedure themselves; they merely wait for other sanctioning bodies to do all the work, then whenever NASCAR decides to adopt what has become common practice everywhere else in motorsports, they make sure they take credit for the idea at every opportunity.


You're an idiot. 

And while it is true NASCAR doesn't own any tracks, ISC does and members of the France family (who own NASCAR) are on the board of ISC. ISC owns at least 12 tracks were Sprint cup events are held, including Daytona. 

Go be stupid somewhere else.
 
2013-02-23 07:32:32 PM  
So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?
 
2013-02-23 07:34:50 PM  

Bane of Broone: /Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch


...and farkied.
 
2013-02-23 07:34:54 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.


Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)

And I can safely say that I've watched NASCAR since I was a baby (one of my earliest memories was meeting Kyle Petty when he was starting out...when I was barely four) and I can safely say this is probably the worst wreck I've seen at Daytona since Geoff Bodine's truck wreck (which pretty much ended his career in racing).  I've seen wrecks that have killed people, have pretty much disintegrated cars and you wonder how the fark they walked away (including Michael Waltrip's "OHGODHEHASTOBEDEAD" wreck at Bristol that ended up being a punchline in a commercial years later)...this is genuinely the first time I've seen a wreck throw tires and engines into the stands.  Used to seeing this in CART and IRL, yes...NASCAR, not so much.

Hell, I'm actually amazed the guy actually IN the wreck is not only alive but didn't get an impromptu double amputation a la Zanardi.
 
2013-02-23 07:35:16 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?


Bet on tire. It wins 60% of the time, every time.
 
2013-02-23 07:35:52 PM  
www.exoticcarresource.com
Stop whining, you bunch of pussies.
 
2013-02-23 07:37:16 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.


I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.
 
2013-02-23 07:37:39 PM  

vegaswench: Bane of Broone: /Sadist
//Masochist
///Switch

...and farkied.


I see you have the Raiders, Sawx, and Bruins as your teams. I like you already, lol.
 
2013-02-23 07:40:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?


Jeff Burton will win tomorrow
 
2013-02-23 07:41:06 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: You're an idiot.


Sure thing. You can start listing motorsports safety improvements that were developed by NASCAR whenever you'd like.

I'm well aware of the close ties between NASCAR and ISC, but the point stands: they are separate companies with independent budget. The suggestion that NASCAR can't afford to spend money on safety research because they should be spending it laying down non-slip tape on grandstand stairs or something equally inane is ludicrous. They have a responsibility to their competitors, and it's one they basically ignore wholesale.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:21 PM  

funktilious_j: WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

may as well have been an invisible fence for dogs, as well as it worked.

Eh, probably prevented a few inbred pregnancies.


Did you watch the same video I did? For as wimpy as that fence looks: it kept an entire car (most of it) from being launched into the stands. That invisible fence, while obviously not solid enough to keep everything out, did an amazing job and saved several people from being crushed into 2 millimeters of buzzard bait.

And unless your mother was in the front row, I doubt any inbreeding was averted.
 
2013-02-23 07:41:21 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: WhyteRaven74: Kurohone: Looks to me like the 32 hit a pole at just the right angle and sheared it.

that's what happened, hit one of the poles and that sheared off the front end and in the process the engine got torn from the frame rails and got torn from the flywheel/chassis.

From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media  and other people to cross the track after/before events.


So pretty much a particularly nasty variant of what tended to sheared the crap out of Michael Waltrip's car at Bristol--only in this case I'm not 100% how they're going to eliminate the camera openings.

(For those newish to the sport--Michael Waltrip had a HORRENDOUS wreck during qualifying at Bristol some years back, to the point that folks seriously considered it unsurvivable (the car was literally ripped in HALF and then disintegrated) until Waltrip literally climbed out with no real harm other than (likely) a change of the colour of his underwear from white to brown.  (We joked he needed to sign up Depend Undergarments as a sponsor after that one.)   What happened was that he clipped the very edge of a door that allowed cars (and track officials and everyone else) access to the track and infield from outside.)

(After a similar accident two years later (also involving a car damn near torn in half) BMS wisely decided to dispense with the door altogether and built a small tunnel between turns 2 and 3 to allow track and infield access. :D)
 
2013-02-23 07:42:35 PM  

Great Porn Dragon: BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.

Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)


Happened at Charlotte too, years after F1 mandated tire tethers.

Not sure how well tethers would work on a full body car though?
 
2013-02-23 07:43:32 PM  
Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.
 
2013-02-23 07:45:52 PM  

mikaloyd: Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.


I read that as "willies" and was really confused.
 
2013-02-23 07:46:42 PM  

RandomRandom: In 1987, a fan at the Indy 500 was standing at the highest row of their high grandstands and was killed instantly by flying wheel.


Yep. It was Tony Bettenhausen's wheel. The lug bolt hit the wall in front of me in the short chute between 1 & 2. Wheel came of in #3.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:36 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: mikaloyd: Put on your rain bonnets and wellies. Here come the safety nannies.

I read that as "willies" and was really confused.


The British are perverts.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:42 PM  
pbs.twimg.com


Ongoing catch fence repair
 
2013-02-23 07:47:51 PM  

draa: Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.

I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.


CSB
 
2013-02-23 07:48:57 PM  
Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow
 
2013-02-23 07:49:01 PM  

MFAWG: Great Porn Dragon: BunkyBrewman: Popcorn Johnny: A tire rocketed through the fence and into the stands, not good at all.

No kidding.  I was at the Flemington speedway (dirt track, been closed for awhile) when I was a kid and a tire came off one of the cars onto a ramp between the stands and killed a guy.  Poor guy never had a chance when something that big and heavy is coming that fast at you.

Unfortunately, agreed--and outside of dirt tracks and the like, the ONLY time I've heard of stuff like this happening in the modern era of racing is when some fans got killed at Michigan Speedway during the (CART) US 500 back in 1998 when a tire and debris went sailing into the stands.  (And yeah, that's pretty much exactly what's going through my mind...pretty much the US 500 tragedy, only with a rather more massive stock car. :P)

Happened at Charlotte too, years after F1 mandated tire tethers.

Not sure how well tethers would work on a full body car though?


From my understanding, per Matchett, they're not so much to prevent seperation, but to absorb energy if they do. For many situations, they do keep the wheel assembly attached, but if they don't they still remove a lot of energy from it
 
2013-02-23 07:49:29 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media and other people to cross the track after/before events.


It's a crossover gate. And it's in the worst place possible imo. It creates a weak sopt in the catch fencing and as bad luck would have it the car today hit that spot. It should be moved after this incident though but I doubt they'll change anything.
 
2013-02-23 07:50:30 PM  

GAT_00: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

WhyteRaven74: GAT_00: Shocking. A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

it's not exactly a regular chain link fence

It must be since the longer video shows the engine just inside the fence line.


Having been pretty damn close to one of those fences, both before and after the changes that resulted from the Bodine crash...actually, no, it isn't; it's quite a bit reinforced, with some chain-link heavily interwoven with very heavy steel cable both horizontally and vertically.

This is, quite literally, the first incident of its kind in the modern era (which included the whole goddamn engine and tires flying into the crowds) I've seen in NASCAR--it's more common in IRL; in NASCAR, it's usually parts of the bodywork that end up in the crowd in the event the car ends up in the chain fence, not major parts like the tires and engine and such.

(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing) and the other involving Geoff Bodine in a truck race at Daytona (which also ended his career, did result in injuries to the crowd as the truck exploded against the catch fencing, and which resulted in some major reinforcements and retrofitting at NASCAR tracks).  Then again, unfortunately, the track record of safety advances tends to be F1 then IRL then NASCAR being one of the last motorsports associations to adopt them...usually after a death.)
 
2013-02-23 07:50:57 PM  

Tellingthem: Kurohone: BronyMedic: Well, it's nice to know that apparently other people are allowed to make fun of NASCAR other than myself, especially when it comes to an event which everyone watches NASCAR hoping to see.

It's sad this happened, but do people really expect different when it involves just ONE inadvertent right turn to send car parts flying at 200 mph?

Really?  You don't get why your pock mocking NASCAR fans by implying that they would be cheering at people getting injured would be offensive?

And no, you really don't expect this at all.  I've been watching races, live and n TV, for 2 decades now.  I don't even need to move to my toes to count the number of times I've seen accidents ilke this, where the spectators get involved.  It's horrific.  Driver injuries, even deaths, you learn to expect.  But they are taking the risks, and getting the rewards.  The spectators don't expect this, no more than that little girl at a hockey game expected to die, no more than a person at a baseball game expects major reconstructive surgery after a bat goes into the stands.

Actually you should. I used to bring my baseball glove with me to catch pucks that flew into the crowd. Seen more than a few people get popped in the face by not paying attention. And yes when you go to baseball games you should watch out for bats and balls flying into the crowd as well. It's part of the sport. And unless you want to install fences around every single crowd those things will continue to happen. Same with racing. Even as a kid I knew that when going to an auto race parts flying into the crowd was a possibility.

Now they should always try to improve on safety at these events. And any negligence should be punished. but if you want to be 100% safe at any event stay home and watch it on tv.


Also there is a gate at the post the car hit first that was taken out, it is a pass thru so when events happen were NASCAR wants people in the stands to be able to get down from the stands to see, like the concert before the race!
 
2013-02-23 07:51:14 PM  

Mister Peejay: DerPups: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

Le Mans

ftfm

Google it.  It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.


i could have sworn that was ChumpCar...

google it... same basic concept
 
2013-02-23 07:51:22 PM  

ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow


In all honesty, this is a thing that has happened at motorsports events every now and again for over a century, and often far, far worse than this one was.

Everyone understands that.
 
2013-02-23 07:52:16 PM  
Man after reading some of these posts I now realize this country is full of pansies shiat happens all the time. Overall the racing industry is very safe but somtimes bad things happen.
 
2013-02-23 07:52:43 PM  

rhiannon: draa: Ima4nic8or: Despite being quite well funded they do not have an unlimited amount of funds to address every potential risk.

I think what pisses me off so much is that they've spent millions since Earnhardt's death keeping their drivers safe and they've still got basically the same shiat in place to protect fans. It seems to me that until something like this happens NASCAR doesn't give a shiat about fan saftey.In fact, we routinely walked by that fence to get to concessions and the bathrooms. There needs to be more room between that fence and the people watching. Geoff Bodine's accident in Daytona 10 years ago should have made them aware of the dangers for fans, and yet, they've still got the same type of catch fence in place they had then and fans are just as close as ever. It's just taller and angles more inward than before but it's still dangerous as hell in these suiuations. I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.

CSB



Thanks for that since I forgot it. And you forgot FTFY, too, so there.
 
2013-02-23 07:54:11 PM  

draa: Some Bass Playing Guy: From the pictures, it looks like Larson's car hit a spot in the fence where there was either a camera opening or where there's a fence door that gets opened for crew members, media and other people to cross the track after/before events.

It's a crossover gate. And it's in the worst place possible imo. It creates a weak sopt in the catch fencing and as bad luck would have it the car today hit that spot. It should be moved after this incident though but I doubt they'll change anything.


They are removing it for tomorrows race.
 
2013-02-23 07:56:32 PM  

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


Would you like to bet that NASCAR is "self insured" otherwise the premiums would be so high NASCAR would have gone broke in it's earliest years!
 
2013-02-23 07:57:14 PM  

draa: Ima4nic8or: I've always been worried about it while I was down there. As someone who's been to multiple races at that track, I don't believe I'll be going back until they change it. And I certainly won't be taking my family again until that happens.


There still very little chance of fans getting hurt at races. Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further. Certainly, you have to do what you think is right, but it seems like an over reaction to me.

re: Crossover gate

Yeah, I couldn't think of the right word for that.
 
2013-02-23 08:00:50 PM  

RandomRandom: Don't Troll Me Bro!: hink of all the safety features in your car that were originally invented for racing, then made it into consumer cars. Hint: most of them started in racing.

True, many automotive safety systems were designed for racing.  Very few road car safety systems were invented by or for NASCAR.

NASCAR doesn't spend their own money on safety R&D.  NASCAR waits for Indycar, road racing, or the FIA to develop a system, then, sometimes as much as a decade later, triumph's "their" new (decade old) safety system.

/NASCAR's insurers need to send them a wake-up call.  In the form of 10x rates.


You sound very concerned
 
2013-02-23 08:00:53 PM  
 
2013-02-23 08:01:39 PM  

mikemoto: Why does this concern you farkers? More than likely it was some Republicans that got hurt.


Just want to make sure the death toll is high enough
 
2013-02-23 08:04:39 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.


It's not a chain-link fence.
The fence probably would have held, but the car went through a gate in the fence.  It probably was the gate that failed.
 
2013-02-23 08:06:16 PM  
With time to calm down and have a few drinks: shiat happens. Hell of a bad spot for a cross-over gate, and the plates really don't help, but this was a freak incident.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:51 PM  
Great Porn Dragon:
(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing)

Just some clarification.....Allisons wreck at Talladega [1987] was the reason NASCAR went to restrictor plates, but the wreck that seriously injured him [TBI] happened at Pocono the following year.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:59 PM  

HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.


Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.
 
2013-02-23 08:10:33 PM  

BeSerious: I hope they ban the sport.


You're too generous.

Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for my workout. Gonna take the Honda up to 7-11.
 
2013-02-23 08:11:47 PM  
Meanwhile, in sweden

l1.yimg.com
 
2013-02-23 08:12:04 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further.


That's what we always tried to do but as I said, you have to walk down the fence line to even go to the bathroom or concessions. Instead of moving the seating back some distance from the track they still have it pinned up against it. There's also cops and track staff that stand down their to keep people from standing there. I wouldn't be suprised if some of them were the ones injured today since they are directly in the line of fire in this type accident. Not to mention that most people start to leave before the race ends and there's always a crowd down ther along that fence at that time.
 
2013-02-23 08:13:59 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: rhiannon: FirstNationalBastard: These aren't real races.Daytona and Talladega should either be cut down bankingwise or bulldozed and replaced by two short tracks.

Stop watching.

I don't watch.Haven't since the bullshiat ending to the 2010 season. But NASCAR is the same old corrupt, slow to react organization they've always been, so the arguments from 1987 still hold up today.

You watched the NCTS Daytona race on Friday.

Yes, I was awake, off from work, bored, and saw a FARK thread.

And it was a boring race punctuated by three large accidents. That's what plate racing is... long stretches of bredom followed by massive accidents where someone winds up hurt or dead.

It's not real racing, and if the tracks can't be made to work without plates, bulldoze 'em and build a North Wilkesboro clone.


Doesn't appear you know very much about NASCAR racing at all. The Sprint Cup cars are the only ones that use restricter plates and they are to reduce horsepower. Nationwide cars and the truck series do not make nearly as much horsepower and therefore do not need plates!
bredom?
 
2013-02-23 08:14:18 PM  

draa: Some Bass Playing Guy: Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further.

There's also cops and track staff that stand down their there to keep people from standing there.

FTFM.

 
2013-02-23 08:14:59 PM  

Chevello: HempHead: Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


Nicely done.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:36 PM  

Fiction Fan: [www.exoticcarresource.com image 850x637]
Stop whining, you bunch of pussies.


Sorry ... I could not hear you over the sound of Hamster screaming terror while laps in a trainer car.

rearwheelhorsepower.com
 
2013-02-23 08:18:31 PM  

Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?


Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.


Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.


I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

l2.yimg.com

"I won...I guess."
 
2013-02-23 08:18:52 PM  

MFAWG: ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow

In all honesty, this is a thing that has happened at motorsports events every now and again for over a century, and often far, far worse than this one was.

Everyone understands that.


Tell that to the folks in the hospital.

/sounds like you need some straight talk
 
2013-02-23 08:19:01 PM  

mikaloyd: cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?

Jeff Burton will win tomorrow


You spelled Larry Stewart wrong....
 
2013-02-23 08:19:22 PM  

Chevello: HempHead: Shadow Blasko: GAT_00: Shocking.  A chain link fence is not up to stopping real dangers resulting from cars going 200 MPH with a tendency to wreck.

Its a bit more than a chain link fence..

Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


It got better....
 
2013-02-23 08:20:03 PM  

CreampuffCasperMilktoast: Dinodork: DerPups: Mister Peejay: Dinodork: *troll mode on*

This would never happen at a 24 Hours of LeMons race. Guess this proves $500 beaters with amateur drivers are intrinsically safer.

That's because if you show up with a mentality of "in it to win it" they will penalize you or not accept your entry.  LeMons is not racing, it's an art car parade.

it's spelled, "LeMans"

I'm not trying to be snarky, but it is indeed "LeMons"

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/

Ok, so not "Lamaze," which is a gruesome race filled with blood, shiat, screaming, sweat, terrifying contorted faces, and wraps up with stuff like this:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 788x600]
/Just wanted to be sure.


Shiny Schultz!
 
2013-02-23 08:20:23 PM  

Chevello: Looks like a chain link fence. Acts like a chain link fence. Must be a duck.

Come on. Even I can tell it's not made of wood.


But IF it was a wood duck, it would float, right?
 
2013-02-23 08:20:49 PM  

Mister Peejay: Popcorn Johnny: Mister Peejay: *sigh*

You apparently don't understand the reference.

Listen, pal, in my home country of What we only speak two languages:  English, and Bad English.


Do you also listen to both kinds of music?
 
2013-02-23 08:20:58 PM  

catastrophe averted: mikaloyd: cameroncrazy1984: So is this a bad time to ask for advice about my fantasy lineup?

Jeff Burton will win tomorrow

You spelled Larry Stewart wrong....


LOL
 
2013-02-23 08:21:12 PM  
Talking about Daytona, I for one am glad the greatest driver of all was not involved  in this fiasco at all..

www.healthforthewholeself.com
 
2013-02-23 08:24:16 PM  

DerPups: Mister Peejay: It's a race series for cars that ostensibly cost less than $500 to acquire and prepare, not counting safety equipment and consumables like tires (but tires must be a minimum treadwear rating - no race tires).   I use the term "race" very loosely, since you have to have some sort of team theme and decorate your car and other non-car-guy BS.

i could have sworn that was ChumpCar...

google it... same basic concept


ChumpCar is for people who actually want to race, not play derp-de-doo parade charades.
 
2013-02-23 08:24:27 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video is near the bottom of this page. Try deleting this one, NASCAR.


Anyone who goes to a race and then cheers when there is a crash deserves to be set on fire.
 
2013-02-23 08:27:08 PM  

Pole Lock: I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.


Bring a kevlar blanket like it's a Gallagher show.
 
2013-02-23 08:30:35 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Talking about Daytona, I for one am glad the greatest driver of all was not involved  in this fiasco at all..


You mean the one who shut her own car off and thought the engine was blown when it wasn't? Yeah,great driver.
 
2013-02-23 08:31:07 PM  
Do the first dozen or so rows at a nascar event have signs like the "splash zone" at the Shamu show?

"Warning: You May Get Engine Below This Level"
 
2013-02-23 08:31:51 PM  
i.imgur.com


Shrugs wryly.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:04 PM  

germ78: Pole Lock: I will be at the race tomorrow.  Maybe I should bring a helmet.

Bring a kevlar blanket like it's a Gallagher show.


awesome.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:15 PM  
c0014684.r32.cf1.rackcdn.com


my photoshop skills are limited to paint,  but if some one could shop   "LINK BROKEN"  I  would be willing to offer one free internet and even give up my window seat for a center seat.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:46 PM  

Triumph: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.

Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.

I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

[l2.yimg.com image 512x388]

"I won...I guess."


img.photobucket.com

"they puttin' mustard on that?"
 
2013-02-23 08:34:02 PM  
Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(
 
2013-02-23 08:34:48 PM  

ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow


The first rule of show business is: the show must go on.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:43 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/Or, in other words:
//Crap.
 
2013-02-23 08:39:52 PM  

snark puppet: Great Porn Dragon:
(This is also literally maybe only the second or third wreck I've seen in NASCAR total that was so bad that it damaged the fence; both of the other times were in the pre-modern era, one involving Bobby Allison's crash that pretty much ended his career back in the 90s (and which left him with a TBI and which was a major factor in establishing restrictor plate racing)

Just some clarification.....Allisons wreck at Talladega [1987] was the reason NASCAR went to restrictor plates, but the wreck that seriously injured him [TBI] happened at Pocono the following year.


Gah, thanks for the clarification (I'm just old enough I think my mind is starting to mix up dates, LOL).

Still, jeebus, freakish wreck today.  Hope that all will survive and make full recoveries (and count me as also worried re the cameraman in particular)...
 
2013-02-23 08:39:57 PM  

kriegfusion: What do those buttons do anyways? Ive looked in the FAQ and even googled it. As far as I know, they are vestigial and used at the end of the year by Drew and the staff for laughs of who clicks them lol.


/clicks "funny"
 
2013-02-23 08:42:43 PM  
Still safer than watching and airshow. That said, probably raise the retaining wall by a few feet to help contain flying cars. Also, severely punish whoever caused the wreck, like ban them for the season.
 
2013-02-23 08:46:52 PM  

Captain Steroid: Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(


I haven't seen a death reported and pray we won't.
 
2013-02-23 08:49:17 PM  

Captain Steroid: Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(


The injured person died? That sucks. I can't fathom just going to the track for a saturday afternoon race before the big event and having your life turned upside-down like that.

/yeah, tragedy can strike at any time (especially at a Nascar event), but man, that's shiatty
//RIP person I did not know but who had loved ones nonetheless
 
2013-02-23 08:52:17 PM  

LessO2: MFAWG: ontariolightning: Owen hart dies but lets continue the show!
Car crashes into crowd.. Hurry up and repair track for tomorrow

In all honesty, this is a thing that has happened at motorsports events every now and again for over a century, and often far, far worse than this one was.

Everyone understands that.

Tell that to the folks in the hospital.


they're in the hospital, not the morgue, and that's what matters tonight.
 
2013-02-23 08:54:08 PM  

Captain Steroid: Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(


we need to keep the Ravens from playing any more Super Bowls
 
2013-02-23 08:59:00 PM  
You do realize that NASCAR uses tons of tethers right?

They're built out of vectran


RandomRandom: Mister Peejay: The point I was trying to make is that F1 does not tether the wheel, it tethers the UPRIGHT to the car, since what breaks are the carpet fiber suspension links. Circle track cars have much more robust suspension design because the cars are heavier, run on banking, introduce suspension loads differently to begin with (coils and shocks directly on the lower arms instead of tension rods going straight from the uprights to inboard shocks), and have to deal with "contact" on an extremely regular basis. When a wheel comes off of a circle track car, it's generally only that, not the entire corner of the suspension.

None of that is really relevant, since the car so thoroughly disassembled itself.

Yes, I realized the differences you were addressing.

My point was that even if an F1 style wheel tether could somehow have been attached to just the wheels of that NASCAR vehicle, it would have been very unlikely to have kept those wheels out of the grandstand.

 
2013-02-23 09:02:00 PM  
mikaloyd They are removing it for tomorrows race.

i thought that same part was @ fault in Mikey Waltrip's near-fatal in Bristol?-sorta off-topic, it's too bad Kenny Irwin's folks sold the Children's Camp they started in his memory & all the furnishings at auction?
http://www.indianaopenwheel.com/showthread.php?t=64924
 
2013-02-23 09:04:07 PM  

Mock26: Popcorn Johnny: Fan video is near the bottom of this page. Try deleting this one, NASCAR.

Anyone who goes to a race and then cheers when there is a crash deserves to be set on fire.


Exactly.  They think it's all fun since the driver often walk away with minimal to no problems.  Those people don't take into consideration the potential for every wreck - that someone may not walk away.  Unfortunately, this shows that, even with some precautions, things can go bad fast.

Doubt the witnesses to that crash will ever cheer a wreck from now on.
 
2013-02-23 09:04:59 PM  

draa: Some Bass Playing Guy: Sitting higher up in the stands reduces this risk even further.

That's what we always tried to do but as I said, you have to walk down the fence line to even go to the bathroom or concessions. Instead of moving the seating back some distance from the track they still have it pinned up against it. There's also cops and track staff that stand down their to keep people from standing there. I wouldn't be suprised if some of them were the ones injured today since they are directly in the line of fire in this type accident. Not to mention that most people start to leave before the race ends and there's always a crowd down ther along that fence at that time.


Excellent points. I was only thinking about when people are at their seats.
 
2013-02-23 09:05:12 PM  

rhiannon: Triumph: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.

Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.

I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

[l2.yimg.com image 512x388]

"I won...I guess."

[img.photobucket.com image 512x388]

"they puttin' mustard on that?"


It's kinda sad they treat the farking trophy as just another piece of advertising for the cameras, rather than something tasteful that a human might not of ashamed to display in the home. That thing looks like a beer ad from the front counter of a liquor store.
 
2013-02-23 09:07:09 PM  
You Farkers are so cynical, NASCAR announced they merely blocked the fan video of the NNS Drive 4 COPD300 crash out of respect for the INJURED FANS.  Whew! Glad that's settled;  https://twitter.com/ESPNMcGee/status/305481419734528000/photo/1
 
2013-02-23 09:11:00 PM  
Quick, before NASCAR lawyers play Whack-A-Mole(Digger?) with it Wow! the guy running the video was 3 SEATS AWAY from the tire-these fans never even knew it landed!-how fast could that thing have been traveling?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqi0AyEfOA
 
2013-02-23 09:12:00 PM  

FlyingJ: mikaloyd They are removing it for tomorrows race.

i thought that same part was @ fault in Mikey Waltrip's near-fatal in Bristol?-sorta off-topic, it's too bad Kenny Irwin's folks sold the Children's Camp they started in his memory & all the furnishings at auction?
http://www.indianaopenwheel.com/showthread.php?t=64924


whole different thing. Waltrips was an open gate in the wall. This is a reinfrced gate on the catchfence. But they dont have the parts to put in a new gate so they are putting in gateless catchfence
 
2013-02-23 09:14:03 PM  

Triumph: Captain Steroid: Why is it, whenever the Baltimore Ravens win the Super Bowl, someone DIES at Daytona?

I don't like this tradition! :-(

I haven't seen a death reported and pray we won't.


Lol you talk to an imaginary friend.
 
2013-02-23 09:17:15 PM  

seelorq: It's kinda sad they treat the farking trophy as just another piece of advertising for the cameras, rather than something tasteful that a human might not of ashamed to display in the home. That thing looks like a beer ad from the front counter of a liquor store.



I'm guessing you've never actually been inside a Nascar fan's home...
 
2013-02-23 09:19:40 PM  

seelorq: rhiannon: Triumph: Triumph: If half your car crosses the finish line in the form of debris, what's the ruling?

Popcorn Johnny: Fan video of the wreck from the infield.

Popcorn Johnny: I just realized that the #32 car finished the race.

I'm still waiting on a definitive ruling.

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"I won...I guess."

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"they puttin' mustard on that?"

It's kinda sad they treat the farking trophy as just another piece of advertising for the cameras, rather than something tasteful that a human might not of ashamed to display in the home. That thing looks like a beer ad from the front counter of a liquor store.


Ok your thoughts are going much deeper into this than mine. Which is good.

What came to my mind was Smoke looking at a Whopper being made and being sorta pissed that they were making it wrong.
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2013-02-23 09:21:57 PM  

FlyingJ: You Farkers are so cynical, NASCAR announced they merely blocked the fan video of the NNS Drive 4 COPD300 crash out of respect for the INJURED FANS.  Whew! Glad that's settled;  https://twitter.com/ESPNMcGee/status/305481419734528000/photo/1


I've got this bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in...
 
2013-02-23 09:23:56 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
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2013-02-23 09:26:27 PM  

kronicfeld: Bit'O'Gristle: Way to avoid film of people hurt because it would be devastating to your wallet.

That's an idiotic comment. Perhaps the film crew has the slightest modicum of respect for people who are actively receiving medical attention?


The first rule of holding a camera... never stop filming.
 
2013-02-23 09:26:47 PM  

mikaloyd: i.dailymail.co.uk


Car is sponsored by Clorox and Cottonelle? Given the odds he loaded his suit, convenient sponsors to have.
 
2013-02-23 09:27:19 PM  

the ha ha guy: seelorq: It's kinda sad they treat the farking trophy as just another piece of advertising for the cameras, rather than something tasteful that a human might not of ashamed to display in the home. That thing looks like a beer ad from the front counter of a liquor store.


I'm guessing you've never actually been inside a Nascar fan's home...


Ha..but yeah, I have, though I was thinking more of the drivers. Just GIS the 500 trophy. That one is pretty awesome.
 
2013-02-23 09:27:32 PM  

the ha ha guy: RealAmericanHero: the ha ha guy: Yes, how dare someone assume that stuff from the first few hours of driver's ed would be common knowledge. I bet those people think we know how to operate gas pumps and parking brakes too.

Right, and knowing how your computer's file system works and why you get page faults is on par with knowing how to move your mouse. And I guess my driver's ed teachers were negligent for not explaining the specifics of the steam that appears when driving a car 200 MPH. Oh well, I managed to get by without knowing that extremely crucial and not at all trivial bit of information.


So 200MPH steam is magically different than 50MPH steam or steam while parked? These aren't run by magic pixie dust, these are normal cars, and abide by the same basic laws of physics as every single other car in existence.

And if your driver's ed course didn't tell you the absolute basics like "if your car starts steaming, it's probably overheating and you should pull over", you need to get a refund, and possibly re-take the class.


Can't speak for anyone else, but my HS driver's ed, back in the 70's, taught us nothing of the sort.
Would've been nice if they had, but it definitely wasn't part of the curriculum.
 
2013-02-23 09:30:57 PM  

mikaloyd: The Daily Mail has all the gruesome photos you vultures want

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283518/Massive-fiery-car-wr ec k-NASCAR-race-Daytona-Speedway-sends-engine-stands.html


Again not make lite, but there's a guy there who appears to have spilled his beer.