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(Winston-Salem Journal)   North Carolina debuts driver's licenses for "all non-US citizens" that say as much, with a bonus hot pink stripe. Sheriff Joe seen taking copious notes   (journalnow.com) divider line 28
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 03:19:25 PM
4 votes:
Darth_Lukecash

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.
2013-02-23 05:59:20 PM
3 votes:
If they don't like the way the license looks they can leave.  Or go to Canada.
2013-02-23 06:45:47 PM
2 votes:

clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.


My wife has been here since 95, holds green card and has never had trouble with licensing in the last 17 years or so.  Of course she used the legal route instead of sneaking in under the fence one night.  We keep forgetting that driving is a privilege extended to American citizens and those who play by the rules (lawful status).  If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.
2013-02-23 06:10:28 PM
2 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.

I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


Some would say the conditions in their home country, and then one could point out that improving the conditions is their responsibility and immigrating could be seen as cowardly.

But then you have Fark's PC brigade run in and call you racist.    Even when a race isn't mentioned.
2013-02-23 06:01:33 PM
2 votes:
I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.
2013-02-23 05:55:01 PM
2 votes:

ZAZ: According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.


Ah, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.
2013-02-23 01:07:38 PM
2 votes:
The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.
2013-02-23 11:56:23 PM
1 votes:
I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.
2013-02-23 09:36:05 PM
1 votes:
That's not pink, it's scarlet.
2013-02-23 08:21:21 PM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: How is a green card not a lawful status? Is the article or NC full of it on that one?


This isn't about green card holders.  Last summer, Obama signed an executive order allowing for roughly 1 million people who came here before the age of 16 to apply for 'Deferred Action.'  Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).  Essentially, they are filing paperwork to surrender themselves to the immigration service for having unlawfully entered or for having overstayed a lawful entry visa.  If they qualify (entry before age 16, uninterrupted presence between June 2007 to June 2012, high school diploma or studying towards one, no major criminal activity, between ages 15-31 at filing), the government 'defers action,' that is, foregoes placing them into deportation proceedings at this time.

Preexisting regs allowed for those in deportation proceedings to apply for temporary work authorization, at the discretion of the immigration authories.  In this program, essentially everyone who is found to have qualified for deferred action is granted work authorization for two years ( for $465 processing fee).

When a handful of states started making noise that they wouldn't grand drivers licenses to DACA approved people because they were still unlawfully present, the federal government clarified its position that those registered in the DACA program were lawfully here, in that they are now known quanties, and if they failed to qualify, would be in deportation.  However, splitting legal hairs, lawful presence isn't lawful immigration status.  So North Carolina decided that this is of utmost importance to put on the licenses.
2013-02-23 07:50:25 PM
1 votes:

SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?


Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?
2013-02-23 07:48:53 PM
1 votes:
Really?

Even Texas, which is full of GOP asshats, issues a driver's license to anyone with a verifiable address in the state, it's a certification of your competence to operate a motor vehicle not a damned proof of citizenship.  Adding more information is just making the DPS (our DMV) have more paperwork and thus suck even harder.

I mean, come on, man.

//Admittedly our GOPers are a bit different from the national GOP, in that they talk the talk but, most major business interests in the state being entirely in favor of illegals as cheap labor, their donors rarely let them walk the actual walk.  Ted Cruz unfortunately being the exception...
2013-02-23 07:39:14 PM
1 votes:
I dont see how anyone can have a problem with this.  The illegals should be counting themselves very lucky to have been given licenses despite thier being criminals.  To be honest they shouldnt have any license in the first place.  Having it clearly show their status doesnt seem like that bad of a deal when they are being coddled and given something they shouldnt have.
2013-02-23 07:34:58 PM
1 votes:

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).


If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".
2013-02-23 07:29:43 PM
1 votes:

clowncar on fire: festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?

If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.


You're missing the reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges
2013-02-23 07:29:22 PM
1 votes:

Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!


Rapists ask for ID first?
2013-02-23 07:12:15 PM
1 votes:

vpb: Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?


Most likely it's the distinction between people with valid permission to reside (lawful alien status) in the US versus people without. For example, the official title for "greed card holder" is "lawful permanent resident." Further, anyone with a valid entry visa has "lawful status" of one sort or another. For someone to have "no lawful status" in immigration terms, they need to be an undocumented or "illegal" aliens. It may depend on the state, but in most cases, anyone with lawful alien status can apply for and receive a driver's license (as long as they're qualified to hold one). In fact, foreign nationals are required to do so if they plan to reside in a state and have legal permission to drive (it may also vary from state to state, but I think the rule is getting an in-state license within 30, 60, or 90 days of arrival... just like it is for US citizens who move between states).
2013-02-23 07:12:12 PM
1 votes:
Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!
2013-02-23 07:05:12 PM
1 votes:

FreetardoRivera: Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there...


...Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.



Automatics handle the changes in speed so you don't have to.   Play your little radio too loud or distracted with your cellphone and see how well your standard does in 3rd gear at 65mph.  Contrary to your beliefs, speed is a function of the driver and not whether he is driving an auto or a manual so i'm not sure why you think only idiot automatic drivers have a monopoly over driving slow in the left lane.  No way to brake the engine with an automatic should you be driving around in a crappy car with no brakes?  Yeah, you'd have to assume the parking brake and drives were out too.  In that case running her off the road, up a hill, or the ol' failsafe of switching off the engine are probably out too.  I have a light weight car so slowing down without all the momentum pushing me along has never been an issue.  Dropping your clutch is not always conducive to save braking, especially on ice or gravel if that were the angle you were leaning at.

Finally- drivers of automatics are complete assholes while people who drive standards are are the epitomy of behavioral standards and a blessing amongst us sent by god himself.  Now you owe me a new keyboard.
2013-02-23 06:53:19 PM
1 votes:
clowncar on fire:y.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.

Actually Americans drive legally overseas as tourists all the time.
2013-02-23 06:22:54 PM
1 votes:
Considering that these are the people who whine about Big Government and useless bureaucracy, they sure love Big Government and useless bureaucracy. It's almost as if their real problem isn't with big government and bureaucracy per se, but with some other people who shall remain nameless.

I guess we should just scratch these states off of the list of places that welcome Canadian and European tourists and euro-dollars and move on to some place friendlier.
2013-02-23 06:20:03 PM
1 votes:

fanbladesaresharp: So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?


New drivers in Japan get to drive around with a large yellow and green magnet indating that they are expirienced driver, the elderly get a a blue and orange one until they can longer drive.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Some id's even get you (well the one's that drive your vehicle) special privileges.

Think of that identifying plate as a pass for just not being dragged out of your car for being a suspected illegal.
2013-02-23 06:12:02 PM
1 votes:

Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.



I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.
2013-02-23 06:08:36 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.


I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?
2013-02-23 06:00:31 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.


Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.
2013-02-23 05:57:22 PM
1 votes:
Sheriff Joe is not only taking copious notes, but he's masturbating furiously, tears of joy in his eyes.
2013-02-23 05:55:22 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


How about a gold star for making it into the country?
2013-02-23 02:22:17 PM
1 votes:
Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?
 
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