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(Winston-Salem Journal)   North Carolina debuts driver's licenses for "all non-US citizens" that say as much, with a bonus hot pink stripe. Sheriff Joe seen taking copious notes   (journalnow.com ) divider line
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2013-02-23 01:07:38 PM  
The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 01:38:44 PM  

Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.


Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?
 
2013-02-23 01:49:35 PM  
Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.
 
2013-02-23 02:22:17 PM  
Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?
 
2013-02-23 02:40:17 PM  
i1121.photobucket.com

/Stinking badges
 
2013-02-23 03:19:02 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?


It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 03:19:25 PM  
Darth_Lukecash

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:20 PM  

Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.


The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:37 PM  
Part of the reason for the distinct license, DOT officials said, was to safeguard against voter fraud.

Ah, yes. The ubiquitous voter fraud argument.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:01 PM  

ZAZ: According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.


Ah, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:22 PM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


How about a gold star for making it into the country?
 
2013-02-23 05:56:43 PM  
You know who else liked to single out undesirables with the color pink?
 
2013-02-23 05:57:22 PM  
Sheriff Joe is not only taking copious notes, but he's masturbating furiously, tears of joy in his eyes.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:48 PM  
So..you can finally tell who can drive because those who can will have that pink stripe on their license?
 
2013-02-23 05:59:20 PM  
If they don't like the way the license looks they can leave.  Or go to Canada.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:31 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.


Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:33 PM  
I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:08 PM  
What? No pink stars sewn on sleeves?
 
2013-02-23 06:04:09 PM  
This will be an amazing popular document among illegal immigrants!
 
2013-02-23 06:04:42 PM  

Propain_az: If they don't like the way the license looks they can leave.  Or go to Canada.


Go back to africa.
 
2013-02-23 06:05:52 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.


Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:33 PM  

vpb: Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?


Isn't immigration status solely a matter of Federal law?
 
2013-02-23 06:07:07 PM  
How is a green card not a lawful status? Is the article or NC full of it on that one?
 
2013-02-23 06:08:36 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.


I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?
 
2013-02-23 06:09:50 PM  
So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?
 
2013-02-23 06:10:28 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.

I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


Some would say the conditions in their home country, and then one could point out that improving the conditions is their responsibility and immigrating could be seen as cowardly.

But then you have Fark's PC brigade run in and call you racist.    Even when a race isn't mentioned.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:02 PM  

Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.



I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.
 
2013-02-23 06:13:08 PM  

neritz: GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.

How about a gold star for making it into the country?


Oh, and they can work in camps too. Have them concentrated into general areas around the country for safety. Nobody has ever done this before.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:04 PM  

clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.


It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.
 
2013-02-23 06:18:16 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


Us?  You haven't read a history book or newspaper in your life at all?  Pretty impressive

Need a license to get insurance, so if you don't want them using our 'resources' you should support this.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:03 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?


New drivers in Japan get to drive around with a large yellow and green magnet indating that they are expirienced driver, the elderly get a a blue and orange one until they can longer drive.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Some id's even get you (well the one's that drive your vehicle) special privileges.

Think of that identifying plate as a pass for just not being dragged out of your car for being a suspected illegal.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:13 PM  
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2013-02-23 06:20:26 PM  

Champion of the Sun: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?

Us?  You haven't read a history book or newspaper in your life at all?  Pretty impressive

Need a license to get insurance, so if you don't want them using our 'resources' you should support this.


Us? We're putting walking inot their countries, pointing guns at them, and saying "Go to the US!"?
 
2013-02-23 06:21:15 PM  

ZAZ: Darth_Lukecash

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.


Then it would say "No Voting Status" or similar.  This is trying to dehumanize people, this has jackshiat to do with vote fraud.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:35 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?


No outrage here because our driving licence is just a driving licence. We rarely use it as an ID, mine doesn't even have my photo on it and there is no obligation to carry it, so no one would ever think it meant the holder had citizenship. It just means you live here.

/I think the only people who use it as an ID is to buy alcohol or cigarettes.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:54 PM  
Considering that these are the people who whine about Big Government and useless bureaucracy, they sure love Big Government and useless bureaucracy. It's almost as if their real problem isn't with big government and bureaucracy per se, but with some other people who shall remain nameless.

I guess we should just scratch these states off of the list of places that welcome Canadian and European tourists and euro-dollars and move on to some place friendlier.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:48 PM  
It might be a good idea to think this farking racist and xenophobic legislation through before passing it, instead of patching it up later for the unintended victims and consequences.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:54 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Us? We're putting walking inot their countries, pointing guns at them, and saying "Go to the US!"?


Yeah, exactly.  We make em stop off at the FEMA reeducation camps first, of course.
 
2013-02-23 06:28:12 PM  

Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


On the opposite side of the coin- manual drivers (especially the inexpirienced) are never distracted with the clutch and gas synchonization thing, never roll back on a hill or stall out.  Its all a matter of personal taste.  I'd prefer a manual in snowbound areas, an the convenience of an automatic in the city or in flatter areas.  Inexpirienced people driving manuals in hilly territory can bite me.  Learn to drive an automatic for a year before trying to learn how to take off up hill without the distraction of frigging  around with gears and clutches.
 
2013-02-23 06:32:26 PM  
I think that North Carolina has to look forward to many of the same things Wisconsin's done already after elected some teabagger loser as governor: first of all the derp is going to be endless.  Second, you're going to be spending millions of tax dollars on court battles to defend poorly written laws.  Third, the hypocrisy that comes from these people is going to be mind-blowing.

At best, North Carolina and Wisconsin can get new governors next time around and repeal some of the laws in spite of the gerrymadering.  If nothing else, we can sit and reminisce about the days when we has decent states.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:05 PM  
Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:4.bp.blogspot.com
/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.
//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.
///Suck it, haterz.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:37 PM  
I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?
 
2013-02-23 06:35:45 PM  

brantgoose: It might be a good idea to think this farking racist and xenophobic legislation through before passing it, instead of patching it up later for the unintended victims and consequences.


What if that illegal is european or eastern european?  Shame on you for assuming that race is an indicator of illegal status.
 
2013-02-23 06:36:53 PM  

Girion47: It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


Do you think maybe the reason you think automatic drivers are bad drivers is that over 90% of cars are automatics now? I think there is a wide range of bad drivers; transmission type doesn't necessarily have much to do with it.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:45 PM  

Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?


Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.
 
2013-02-23 06:38:03 PM  
 oblig

www.autoguide.com
 
2013-02-23 06:38:42 PM  

Ex-Texan: Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:[4.bp.blogspot.com image 585x439]
/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.
//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.
///Suck it, haterz.


Go fark yourself, racist.
 
2013-02-23 06:40:45 PM  

Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?


They are thinking about the positive reaction a policy like this gets from xenophobic morons like you see in this thread.

Hey, just have the H1Bs sleep on cots in the supply closet. They don't need to go anywhere besides work!
 
2013-02-23 06:43:26 PM  
I support changing this tired immigration flame war into a tired manual vs. automatic transmission flame war.

I learned on manual and my first two cars were manual, my current and previous were automatic. There's no material difference in vehicle control. Heck, most modern automatics give you gear by gear control if you really really want it. Driver quality differences... you really pull up next to everyone on the road and stare past their lap to see what their gearshift looks like? No, you're just making up bullshiat.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:43 PM  

Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.

 
2013-02-23 06:44:11 PM  
Here in mid-NC, I used to do video production/creative direction for a local PR firm. One contract we had was with the 'child support enforcement/lose your licenses, etc' campaign. For one spot, we scoped locations, including the infamous Gerald Hege/pink walls with teddy bear images cells/offices/etc.

The guy had 3 point-lighting installed in his office. You have to be a thimble-dicked, daddy-didn't-hug-me, over-compensating idiot to purposefully & permanently install 3 point lighting - putting "how you look on camera" as a priority while sheriff. It didn't help that one of his 'I wish I were qualified to be in the military' minions was convinced I was a previous 'guest' at the place (wasn't, but am sure my smirk when confronted didn't help).

ALL that said, I've lived in 5 states and NC is by far the best - inbreeds aside (know of a few that live up north so this isn't a 'southern vs northern' thing)... no worries - except for the duel billboards stating "Let's Keep NC Drug Free" aside a cigarette advertisement....
 
2013-02-23 06:45:36 PM  
MNguy:

Go fark yourself, racist.

www.bant-shirts.com
 
2013-02-23 06:45:47 PM  

clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.


My wife has been here since 95, holds green card and has never had trouble with licensing in the last 17 years or so.  Of course she used the legal route instead of sneaking in under the fence one night.  We keep forgetting that driving is a privilege extended to American citizens and those who play by the rules (lawful status).  If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:30 PM  

clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.


Do you understand how US drivers licenses work?

Schmuck!
 
2013-02-23 06:53:19 PM  
clowncar on fire:y.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.

Actually Americans drive legally overseas as tourists all the time.
 
2013-02-23 06:54:52 PM  
I believe we should have unlimited immigration, but not a single fark is given about a stripe on a license.
 
2013-02-23 06:57:41 PM  
I'm assuming this only applies to non-whites?
 
2013-02-23 07:04:23 PM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us. Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


No need to - they pick out the Red Sox cap all by themselves.
 
2013-02-23 07:05:12 PM  

FreetardoRivera: Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there...


...Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.



Automatics handle the changes in speed so you don't have to.   Play your little radio too loud or distracted with your cellphone and see how well your standard does in 3rd gear at 65mph.  Contrary to your beliefs, speed is a function of the driver and not whether he is driving an auto or a manual so i'm not sure why you think only idiot automatic drivers have a monopoly over driving slow in the left lane.  No way to brake the engine with an automatic should you be driving around in a crappy car with no brakes?  Yeah, you'd have to assume the parking brake and drives were out too.  In that case running her off the road, up a hill, or the ol' failsafe of switching off the engine are probably out too.  I have a light weight car so slowing down without all the momentum pushing me along has never been an issue.  Dropping your clutch is not always conducive to save braking, especially on ice or gravel if that were the angle you were leaning at.

Finally- drivers of automatics are complete assholes while people who drive standards are are the epitomy of behavioral standards and a blessing amongst us sent by god himself.  Now you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-23 07:10:32 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


I hardly ever literally laugh out loud on Fark...

...but for this, I LOL'd.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:11 PM  

Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:12 PM  
Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!
 
2013-02-23 07:12:15 PM  

vpb: Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?


Most likely it's the distinction between people with valid permission to reside (lawful alien status) in the US versus people without. For example, the official title for "greed card holder" is "lawful permanent resident." Further, anyone with a valid entry visa has "lawful status" of one sort or another. For someone to have "no lawful status" in immigration terms, they need to be an undocumented or "illegal" aliens. It may depend on the state, but in most cases, anyone with lawful alien status can apply for and receive a driver's license (as long as they're qualified to hold one). In fact, foreign nationals are required to do so if they plan to reside in a state and have legal permission to drive (it may also vary from state to state, but I think the rule is getting an in-state license within 30, 60, or 90 days of arrival... just like it is for US citizens who move between states).
 
2013-02-23 07:13:56 PM  
Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?
 
2013-02-23 07:18:00 PM  

BMFPitt: I believe we should have unlimited immigration, but not a single fark is given about a stripe on a license.


You might want to discuss this and what the results are with some of the west Germans when they opened their gates to the east...

The problem is that when you leave your door open without some sort of watch there are those out there that are willing to exploit the situation to the fullest.  I'm not sure I want to open my door to the drug and prostitute trafficers, carriers of TB and worse, murderers and molesters who are wanted by the law in their own countries, or people prepared to exploit the privileges of being American.  Leave your door open and become a repository for human garbage.  I think the current situation of by invitation only (with a guest in most cases) is keeping us busy enough by being gracious hosts to those who follow the rules.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:35 PM  

festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?


If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.
 
2013-02-23 07:22:33 PM  

clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.


That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).
 
2013-02-23 07:28:29 PM  
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2013-02-23 07:29:22 PM  

Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!


Rapists ask for ID first?
 
2013-02-23 07:29:43 PM  

clowncar on fire: festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?

If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.


You're missing the reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges
 
2013-02-23 07:34:58 PM  

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).


If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".
 
2013-02-23 07:39:14 PM  
I dont see how anyone can have a problem with this.  The illegals should be counting themselves very lucky to have been given licenses despite thier being criminals.  To be honest they shouldnt have any license in the first place.  Having it clearly show their status doesnt seem like that bad of a deal when they are being coddled and given something they shouldnt have.
 
2013-02-23 07:40:16 PM  

ScouserDuck: Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!

Rapists ask for ID first?


You don't?
 
2013-02-23 07:44:13 PM  

clowncar on fire: misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).

If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".


That make sense, except that in states I've lived in, you have to prove lawful status before they'll actually give you a license. If NC is the same (and it likely is), adding a special disclaimer to the license is redundant - the mere fact that you have a license means you've been verified. Of course, lots of undocumented people get licenses because they find ways around verification (forging documents of various sorts to get a legit license, or just getting a fake license). Still, in that case, adding this disclaimer to the license doesn't solve the problem, because they'll just end up with a license that states "limited term" or "lawful permanent resident" or whatever they come up with to identify the aliens. Really, the only people likely to end up with an "unlawful" marker on their license are the kids who were brought here as infants without having a choice and who are trying their best to play by the rules, in hopes of someday benefiting from something like the Dream Act or an amnesty. Adding this badge of dishonor to their license only helps to discriminate against them and does little or nothing to prevent undocumented people from getting clean licenses if they want to get them.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:57 PM  

NotoriousFire: ScouserDuck: Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!

Rapists ask for ID first?

You don't?


Plausible deniability.

/she told me she was 18
 
2013-02-23 07:45:38 PM  
Fabulous!
 
2013-02-23 07:45:39 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.


Care to explain why?
 
2013-02-23 07:48:30 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 605x679]


This is

festoon: clowncar on fire: festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?

If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.

You're missing the reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges


And you are missing the joke.  We all know they are trying to make an association between wearing a star of David pinned to your uniform and having a license granting you a privilege that identifies you of not necessarily holding all privileges that a legal immigrant would be afforded.

Funny how people have no problem of publically proclaiming themselves as "handicapped" regardless of whether it be true, in order to get better parking.
 
2013-02-23 07:48:53 PM  
Really?

Even Texas, which is full of GOP asshats, issues a driver's license to anyone with a verifiable address in the state, it's a certification of your competence to operate a motor vehicle not a damned proof of citizenship.  Adding more information is just making the DPS (our DMV) have more paperwork and thus suck even harder.

I mean, come on, man.

//Admittedly our GOPers are a bit different from the national GOP, in that they talk the talk but, most major business interests in the state being entirely in favor of illegals as cheap labor, their donors rarely let them walk the actual walk.  Ted Cruz unfortunately being the exception...
 
2013-02-23 07:50:25 PM  

SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?


Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?
 
2013-02-23 07:51:31 PM  

ggecko:  oblig


I've seen this before. What's the story behind it?
 
2013-02-23 07:55:36 PM  

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).

If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".

That make sense, except that in states I've lived in, you have to prove lawful status before they'll actually give you a license. If NC is the same (and it likely is), adding a special disclaimer to the license is redundant - the mere fact that you have a license means you've been verified. Of course, lots of undocumented people get licenses because they find ways around verification (forging documents of various sorts to get a legit license, or just getting a fake license). Still, in that case, adding this disclaimer to the license doesn't solve the problem, because they'll j ...


There are states that require convicted drunk drivers to drive with clearly marked plates.  Should we not first take care of the issue of shaming our own before we go after those illegal immigrants given driving privileges?
 
2013-02-23 08:03:59 PM  

clowncar on fire: SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?

Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?


That pink stripe would apply to all non-citizens, including those who immigrated legally.
I've immigrated legally and carry a green card. The two big differences between myself and a citizen would be that I can't vote and can't get drafted (before anyone starts an argument, I've served my country of birth).
If we're going to have a 2-class society, fine. You put a pink strip on my driver's license and I get to pay half the taxes. Deal?
 
2013-02-23 08:05:46 PM  
so much for the ' OH! we're cool if you're a legal immigrant who came here legally.. we just don't like the illegal ones' rhetoric.. This license BS is yet another reason why Republicans are just full of it and in reality have a deep seated hatred and mistrust of non whites.
 
2013-02-23 08:06:21 PM  
I'm okay with anything that means an illegal alien gets the bullshiat ticky-tack $120 fine, plus costs, plus surcharges, plus surcharge fees, plus surcharge fee surcharge tax assessment supplemental surcharge fees for rolling through a stop sign at .05mph instead of me.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:25 PM  

Girion47: It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


And clearly the most important distinguishing factor between "attentive, consider driver" and "jerkhole with a car" is the type of transmission in their vehicle. As we all know it's impossible to be a jerk while shifting occasionally, just as it's impossible to be considerate without a clutch pedal. That's why I refuse rental cars unless they're manual and have crank windows; even though I'm a good driver I know that just a few minutes in close proximity to an active torque converter could permanently diminish my driving capabilities. And don't even get me started on those dual-clutch a-holes; they think they're as cool as the kids with manual transmissions, but we all know that their newfangled computers sneak into their bedrooms at night and drill out the portion of their brain responsible for the decision to move right when driving slowly.
 
2013-02-23 08:19:18 PM  
Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....
 
2013-02-23 08:20:49 PM  
That should take car of those annoying foreign car companies opening plants in the state.

I suppose they'll figure out how to harass the tourists next.
 
2013-02-23 08:21:21 PM  

EngineerAU: How is a green card not a lawful status? Is the article or NC full of it on that one?


This isn't about green card holders.  Last summer, Obama signed an executive order allowing for roughly 1 million people who came here before the age of 16 to apply for 'Deferred Action.'  Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).  Essentially, they are filing paperwork to surrender themselves to the immigration service for having unlawfully entered or for having overstayed a lawful entry visa.  If they qualify (entry before age 16, uninterrupted presence between June 2007 to June 2012, high school diploma or studying towards one, no major criminal activity, between ages 15-31 at filing), the government 'defers action,' that is, foregoes placing them into deportation proceedings at this time.

Preexisting regs allowed for those in deportation proceedings to apply for temporary work authorization, at the discretion of the immigration authories.  In this program, essentially everyone who is found to have qualified for deferred action is granted work authorization for two years ( for $465 processing fee).

When a handful of states started making noise that they wouldn't grand drivers licenses to DACA approved people because they were still unlawfully present, the federal government clarified its position that those registered in the DACA program were lawfully here, in that they are now known quanties, and if they failed to qualify, would be in deportation.  However, splitting legal hairs, lawful presence isn't lawful immigration status.  So North Carolina decided that this is of utmost importance to put on the licenses.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:14 PM  
This would be a great state, if it wasn't for (some of) the people.
 
2013-02-23 08:37:03 PM  
insanoAh, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.

Not true! The talking heads on the TV last night while I was at the gym said they found 3 people who claimed to have voted for Obama multiple times!
 
2013-02-23 08:47:49 PM  

bedtundy: neritz: GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.

How about a gold star for making it into the country?

Oh, and they can work in camps too. Have them concentrated into general areas around the country for safety. Nobody has ever done this before.


We should call it the Fine Ol' Solution.
 
2013-02-23 08:52:37 PM  

Thunderpipes: Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....


Republicans support illegal aliens just as much (more for big business cheap labor than for the votes).

Heck, it was Zombie Reagan that was the last President to give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens here.

/both sides want illegal aliens here, just for different reasons.

//Heck, even the catholic  pedophiles group supports illegal aliens for the resulting infusion of cash donations.

///doesn't care either way.
 
2013-02-23 09:25:05 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Thunderpipes: Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....

Republicans support illegal aliens just as much (more for big business cheap labor than for the votes).

Heck, it was Zombie Reagan that was the last President to give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens here.

/both sides want illegal aliens here, just for different reasons.

//Heck, even the catholic  pedophiles group supports illegal aliens for the resulting infusion of cash donations.

///doesn't care either way.


None of the people receiving these licenses are illegal.  They just aren't US citizens.
 
2013-02-23 09:29:59 PM  
So many people get so butthurt over the silliest things.

They ARE NOT CITIZENS!  They don't deserve this level of outrage.

If they don't like the rules for being in our country AS A NON-CITIZEN, then they can go the Hell back home.

I went to China.  I never had any problems with any of the people there.  The thing is, I didn't expect them to "owe" me anything.  I expected that I should be extra-careful not to ignorantly break one of their laws.

When in Rome, do whatever the fark Rome tells you to do, or LEAVE ROME.

Being here AS A NON-CITIZEN is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.  We already have more people here than we can adequately support as it is.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:05 PM  
That's not pink, it's scarlet.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:24 PM  
Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card
 
2013-02-23 09:38:01 PM  

TOSViolation: They ARE NOT CITIZENS!


And it would be totally unreasonable to treat them like "normal" people -- after all, their mothers were standing in another country when they were born. Clearly that means God doesn't love them, otherwise he would have transported their mothers here so they could be citizens.

/ Arbitrary distinctions are arbitrary, even if they're not based on skin color
 
2013-02-23 09:38:41 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card



Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?
 
2013-02-23 09:39:13 PM  

PapaChester: That's not pink, it's scarlet.


I hope you're trying to make an allusion, because that color is magenta.
 
2013-02-23 09:40:30 PM  
The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?
 
2013-02-23 09:40:50 PM  

profplump: TOSViolation: They ARE NOT CITIZENS!

And it would be totally unreasonable to treat them like "normal" people -- after all, their mothers were standing in another country when they were born. Clearly that means God doesn't love them, otherwise he would have transported their mothers here so they could be citizens.

/ Arbitrary distinctions are arbitrary, even if they're not based on skin color



If you had a real job, you would know that most places have badges for employees that are different from badges of VISITORS or even contractors.  The distinctions are not arbitrary.  They are real.

What is not "normal" about the way the people are treated?  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.
 
2013-02-23 09:45:03 PM  

whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?


It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.
 
2013-02-23 09:46:08 PM  

TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?


You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.
 
2013-02-23 09:48:23 PM  

Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.



No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.
 
2013-02-23 09:50:57 PM  

clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.


I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard thing?
* Balance the car on the throttle? As in, if I'm going uphill, and approaching a set of lights that I know are going to change soon, I''m not going to stop + handbrake. Come down through the gears, then in first, give it enough clutch and throttle that the car is stationary, but ready to go.

And I'm almost certain that you can't skip gears you don't need with an auto, right? Will it go from 3rd to 5th when you don't need 4th. or does it always go through 4th?

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.


Really? As in torque converter and planetary gears?

I have no data to back up my claim, other than watching lots of Top Gear, but most sports cars I'm aware of are either manual, or automated double clutch manual.

/Motorsports porn: F1 transmissions are flappy paddle. Check out the clutch on this.
 
2013-02-23 09:50:57 PM  

ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.


Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.
 
2013-02-23 09:53:28 PM  

whistleridge: ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.

Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.



You say that like it's a BAD thing.  The roads don't fix themselves.  The police, fire department, etc. need money to run.  I suppose you think you should just be able to freeload, and let everyone else cover your expenses.  Asshole!

Get out of my state.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:06 PM  

TOSViolation: whistleridge: ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.

Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.


You say that like it's a BAD thing.  The roads don't fix themselves.  The police, fire department, etc. need money to run.  I suppose you think you should just be able to freeload, and let everyone else cover your expenses.  Asshole!

Get out of my state.


Kindly go fark yourself in the ass with a broken flourescent lightbulb until you die of excessive rectal bleeding. That, or move to Lesser Carolina. You sound like you would be happier there anyway.

Removing income tax and hiking the sales tax is blatant tax relief for the wealthy in favor of a tax hike on the poor. I want all of those things paid for, I just don't want it done in a way that rearranges our finances to fark the little guy.

So fark that plan and fark you too. I would put it in stronger terms, but if you think this is a good idea, you're clearly to farking stupid to understand all the big words so I won't bother.
 
2013-02-23 10:02:38 PM  

TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.


Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:28 PM  

Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.
Go fark yourself North Carolina.
/on a Green Card

Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


Just because he wants the US to be more like China doesn't necessarily mean he's a fool, just that he doesn't like America very much.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:30 PM  

TOSViolation: So many people get so butthurt over the silliest things.

They ARE NOT CITIZENS!  They don't deserve this level of outrage.

If they don't like the rules for being in our country AS A NON-CITIZEN, then they can go the Hell back home.

I went to China.  I never had any problems with any of the people there.  The thing is, I didn't expect them to "owe" me anything.  I expected that I should be extra-careful not to ignorantly break one of their laws.

When in Rome, do whatever the fark Rome tells you to do, or LEAVE ROME.

Being here AS A NON-CITIZEN is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.  We already have more people here than we can adequately support as it is.


I earned my right to be here, how about you? It would also be interesting to know how many citizens I support by being here and playing my part.

/you're welcome
 
2013-02-23 10:21:06 PM  

TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.


Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.
 
2013-02-23 10:36:04 PM  
Not such a bad idea... I live in Mexico (legally, for work purposes) and my ID plainly says "foreigner"
 
2013-02-23 10:45:15 PM  
After running a long campaign on fiscal responsibility one of the very first things McCrory did when he got into office was put some of his friends in cabinet positions and then give them raises, because you know, it's hard living on 120K+ a year.
 
2013-02-23 10:49:54 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.



That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!
 
2013-02-23 10:54:04 PM  
clowncar on fire:

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No, only that it shows they take driving seriously enough to learn at least a bit about how a car really works.  See, then they can decide for themselves which type of transmission works best for them.

Kind of like velcro v. shoe laces; I swear that I've seen 15 year old kids who haven't learned to tie their shoes yet because they are wedded to velcro.  People who only drive auto cars are kind of like that.
 
2013-02-23 10:57:56 PM  

iron de havilland: TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.

Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  What does the proper tracking of non-citizen status have to do with being scared?

The problem with our country is too many people don't give a fark about things that actually matter.  YOU just want to see the next episode of American Jersey Shore Dancing Idols.

You don't give a fark about things like...oh...THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:34 PM  

clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.

My wife has been here since 95, holds green card and has never had trouble with licensing in the last 17 years or so.  Of course she used the legal route instead of sneaking in under the fence one night.  We keep forgetting that driving is a privilege extended to American citizens and those who play by the rules (lawful status).  If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.


Obviously, you aint gonna get no kind of D/L in the US unless you are at minimum a Resident Alien; period.

I do not however agree with your statement about "not driving as an American overseas".  I've rented cars on various continents and I've bought cars on three.  I've driven in quite a few countries, and I've held auto insurance policies in most all with nothing more than my Fla. Driver's license.  My friends from the U.K., Mexico, Argentina, France, Jamaica, ..., all drive in the US under the same arrangement.  Granted, it's "temporary", usually for no longer than a six month period at a time.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:51 PM  

TOSViolation: SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.


That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!


For starters, citizenship & immigration are federal issues, driver's licenses are state's responsibilities.
 
2013-02-23 11:14:33 PM  

TOSViolation: iron de havilland: TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.

Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  What does the proper tracking of non-citizen status have to do with being scared?

The problem with our country is too many people don't give a fark about things that actually matter.  YOU just want to see the next episode of American Jersey Shore Dancing Idols.

You don't give a fark about things like...oh...THE SECOND AMENDMENT.


+Funny, I got a LOL from that.

/Look forward to your future work.
 
2013-02-23 11:15:29 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation: SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.


That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!

For starters, citizenship & immigration are federal issues, driver's licenses are state's responsibilities.



I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest.

Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.

You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:17 PM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


2.bp.blogspot.com
"Well I guess you're the sheriff now."
 
2013-02-23 11:40:38 PM  
Any of you, who are having a problem with the license proposal, might need to go ahead and buy some of this.  You'll need it.
 
2013-02-23 11:42:02 PM  

TOSViolation: I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest. Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.
You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.


Allrighty then, let's put everything on the driver's license: SSN, blood type, income, education, favorite color...anything else?
 
2013-02-23 11:44:02 PM  
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2013-02-23 11:46:42 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation: I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest. Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.
You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.

Allrighty then, let's put everything on the driver's license: SSN, blood type, income, education, favorite color...anything else?



Yeah, Dorothy.  Go back to Oz, Little Miss ASSHAT...

www.brainygamer.com
 
2013-02-23 11:56:23 PM  
I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.
 
2013-02-24 12:06:31 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.



Seriously?

You have to be some kind of special asshole to equate slavery with a simple notation on a driver's license for someone who IS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!
 
2013-02-24 12:19:28 AM  
My Colombian foreign residency card had my thumb print and blood type.
 
2013-02-24 03:15:25 AM  

ruetheday69: You know who else liked to single out undesirables with the color pink?


Mattel?
 
2013-02-24 03:56:48 AM  

TOSViolation: Summer Glau's Love Slave: I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.


Seriously?

You have to be some kind of special asshole to equate slavery with a simple notation on a driver's license for someone who IS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!


Whoa! You sure told him! Clearly your state legislature is a forward thinking body, with a rich background in social tolerance, of which you, Sir and or Madam, are a shining beacon. In fact, your views seem to be clearly in line with 21st Century modes of thought, and not low-brow in any fashion.

Your mama must be damned proud of you! Seriously.

/Btw... how did you vote on the Gay Marriage Amendment last May?
//NC native.
///I'm curious how much money our state is prepared to throw away invest in altering the new driver's licenses.
 
2013-02-24 04:08:27 AM  

SigilBear: ///I'm curious how much money our state is prepared to throw away invest in altering the new driver's licenses.

That's an excellent question. How much will this idiocy cost the taxpayer?

/Didya know that NC spent over 51 million dollars on the Gay Marriage ban?
//State of tolerance indeed.
 
2013-02-24 04:18:50 AM  

clowncar on fire: Funny how people have no problem of publically proclaiming themselves as "handicapped" regardless of whether it be true, in order to get better parking.


Why would people who aren't handicapped who are already sleazy enough to lie about it care about people knowing they were lying?  (When I was in college I knew at least two people who had bogus handicapped license placards.  One was an obnoxious sorority girl, who I kid you not, said she wanted to be a fashion journalist 'So she could do something important with her life'.  The other was a starting member of the school's Division I hoops team (probably the same one who was caught plagiarizing a paper- actually handing in someone else's paper- and told 'We don't want to catch you doing this again'.  The TA who caught him was threatened with expulsion if he went public.)  The paper he stole was his girlfriends, also a B-Baller.  Well, that's assuming it was his car.  It was someone on the basketball teams.  It was a bright yellow Hummer a booster had 'lent' him, that he'd park diagonally across two handicapped spaces so no one would scratch it.
 
2013-02-24 04:29:12 AM  
Doh, got so distracted, I didn't make my 'No legal status' point.  The article seems to suggest that anyone here, legally or illegally will get this license.  If that's the case, follow this train of logic- being here without legal status is quite possibly economically harmful.  Printing a license, especially since you might be required to show it in certain situations where this economic impact would be magnified, could be considered an instance of the state 'publishing' the information.  Since the error is both willful (therefore covering public figures who have to produce their licence) and seemingly with malice (it smacks of prejudice), is this libelous?

Even if the state might be indemnified against this, anyone who photocopies the license (except the holder) would be reprinting the libel, and there for liable themselves.

Not the most obvious legal challenge to the law, but I wonder...

(The last of my ancestors arrived by the 1850's, and some arrived as early as the Mayflower.  I really hate the 'my ancestors were the last generation that deserved to get in' attitude.  Even Native Americans were pretty good at pushing other tribes off of land they wanted.  At least it's not like Texas where ancestors of illegal immigrants to Mexico complain about 'Mexicans' where were there before them and their relatives who want to move back into the area.)
 
2013-02-24 04:40:52 AM  

SurelyShirley: clowncar on fire: SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?

Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?

That pink stripe would apply to all non-citizens, including those who immigrated legally.
I've immigrated legally and carry a green card. The two big differences between myself and a citizen would be that I can't vote and can't get drafted (before anyone starts an argument, I've served my country of birth).
If we're going to have a 2-class society, fine. You put a pink strip on my driver's license and I get to pay half the taxes. Deal?


How about you don't get to make the rules, have a vote, or a say in the matter - in return I won't tell you how to run your home country. My idiot politicians and the pundits might though, sorry on their behalf. If you want a say then become a citizen.

Also, people are getting butthurt about it being pink and are comparing it to Nazi Germany? Really? I'd get a pink one and I'm not even gay.
 
2013-02-24 04:43:46 AM  

clowncar on fire:   As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.



That's bullshiat. Most European countries accept American driver licences for visitors, only a small handfull of countries here require you to also have an International Driver Permit, which you can get at the AAA for about $15. If you take up permanent residence, getting a local licence is usually a sheer formality.
I can't imagine it's much different on other continents. All this stuff is governed by international treaties.
 
2013-02-24 09:59:46 AM  

iron de havilland: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard thing?
* Balance the car on the throttle? As in, if I'm going uphill, and approaching a set of lights that I know are going to change soon, I''m not going to stop + handbrake. Come down through the gears, then in first, give it enough clutch and throttle that the car is stationary, but ready to go.

And I'm almost certain that you can't skip gears you don't need with an auto, right? Will it go from 3rd to 5th when you don't need 4th. or does it always go through 4th?

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.

Really? As in torque converter and planetary gears?

I have no data to back up my claim, other than watching lots of Top Gear, but most sports cars I'm aware of are either manual, or automated double clutch manual.

/Motorsports porn: F1 transmissions are flappy paddle. Check out the clutch on this.


Automanuals are why I said trending. I, too watch tons of Top Gear (only the UK version, though), and they have given up the obligatory gripe when a new sports car isn't available in fully manual.
 
2013-02-24 10:01:48 AM  
Lotta Gaestarbeitern gettin' uppity on this thread.
 
2013-02-24 11:12:34 AM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


You always manage to find the wrong side of every discussion. I'm impressed by your consistency.
 
2013-02-24 12:02:49 PM  

DoctorCal: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

They are thinking about the positive reaction a policy like this gets from xenophobic morons like you see in this thread.

Hey, just have the H1Bs sleep on cots in the supply closet. They don't need to go anywhere besides work!


I am in the same position. I been in the country since 2002 when I got married. Unfortunately my driver's license is up for renwal soon. Thanks NC for this bs I get now. They voted in every anti-foreigner, anti any Christian, lets slash all the help to the poor because "fark you I have mine" politicians
 
2013-02-24 01:11:24 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: iron de havilland: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard ...


yeah but calling dual clutch an automatic isn't accurate.
 
2013-02-24 08:07:02 PM  
Oh good.  Someone in my city last year who was slammed into by 4 illegal immigrants on the run from 3 police cars, would have slept better at night by knowing the fake names on their licenses.

Lord knows she'd need something positive considering the car insurance found a loophole allowing them to tell her "screw you.  You pay for your car"
 
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