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(Winston-Salem Journal)   North Carolina debuts driver's licenses for "all non-US citizens" that say as much, with a bonus hot pink stripe. Sheriff Joe seen taking copious notes   (journalnow.com) divider line 143
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2013-02-23 09:40:30 PM  
The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?
 
2013-02-23 09:40:50 PM  

profplump: TOSViolation: They ARE NOT CITIZENS!

And it would be totally unreasonable to treat them like "normal" people -- after all, their mothers were standing in another country when they were born. Clearly that means God doesn't love them, otherwise he would have transported their mothers here so they could be citizens.

/ Arbitrary distinctions are arbitrary, even if they're not based on skin color



If you had a real job, you would know that most places have badges for employees that are different from badges of VISITORS or even contractors.  The distinctions are not arbitrary.  They are real.

What is not "normal" about the way the people are treated?  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.
 
2013-02-23 09:45:03 PM  

whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?


It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.
 
2013-02-23 09:46:08 PM  

TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?


You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.
 
2013-02-23 09:48:23 PM  

Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.



No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.
 
2013-02-23 09:50:57 PM  

clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.


I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard thing?
* Balance the car on the throttle? As in, if I'm going uphill, and approaching a set of lights that I know are going to change soon, I''m not going to stop + handbrake. Come down through the gears, then in first, give it enough clutch and throttle that the car is stationary, but ready to go.

And I'm almost certain that you can't skip gears you don't need with an auto, right? Will it go from 3rd to 5th when you don't need 4th. or does it always go through 4th?

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.


Really? As in torque converter and planetary gears?

I have no data to back up my claim, other than watching lots of Top Gear, but most sports cars I'm aware of are either manual, or automated double clutch manual.

/Motorsports porn: F1 transmissions are flappy paddle. Check out the clutch on this.
 
2013-02-23 09:50:57 PM  

ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.


Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.
 
2013-02-23 09:53:28 PM  

whistleridge: ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.

Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.



You say that like it's a BAD thing.  The roads don't fix themselves.  The police, fire department, etc. need money to run.  I suppose you think you should just be able to freeload, and let everyone else cover your expenses.  Asshole!

Get out of my state.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:06 PM  

TOSViolation: whistleridge: ph0rk: whistleridge: The degree to which my once sane and not especially 'southern' state has gone batshiat in just 3 years since the GOP took over is utterly dismaying. I was once proud to be a Greater Carolinian, and I openly mocked the ignorance and stupidity of those racist hicks in Lesser Carolina.

No longer.

Today, I weep for you, Old North State. What have ye become?

It has really gone into overdrive since we elected the gasbag from Charlotte - The legislature assumes they can just go nuts, and they are.

Just wait til the discussion about offshore oil exploration and drilling gets into full swing.

Oh, don't I know it. They're going to get rid of the state income tax too, and hope the same idiots who buy lottery tickets won't notice that they're paying far more in sales taxes than they ever did in income tax.


You say that like it's a BAD thing.  The roads don't fix themselves.  The police, fire department, etc. need money to run.  I suppose you think you should just be able to freeload, and let everyone else cover your expenses.  Asshole!

Get out of my state.


Kindly go fark yourself in the ass with a broken flourescent lightbulb until you die of excessive rectal bleeding. That, or move to Lesser Carolina. You sound like you would be happier there anyway.

Removing income tax and hiking the sales tax is blatant tax relief for the wealthy in favor of a tax hike on the poor. I want all of those things paid for, I just don't want it done in a way that rearranges our finances to fark the little guy.

So fark that plan and fark you too. I would put it in stronger terms, but if you think this is a good idea, you're clearly to farking stupid to understand all the big words so I won't bother.
 
2013-02-23 10:02:38 PM  

TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.


Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:28 PM  

Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.
Go fark yourself North Carolina.
/on a Green Card

Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


Just because he wants the US to be more like China doesn't necessarily mean he's a fool, just that he doesn't like America very much.
 
2013-02-23 10:18:30 PM  

TOSViolation: So many people get so butthurt over the silliest things.

They ARE NOT CITIZENS!  They don't deserve this level of outrage.

If they don't like the rules for being in our country AS A NON-CITIZEN, then they can go the Hell back home.

I went to China.  I never had any problems with any of the people there.  The thing is, I didn't expect them to "owe" me anything.  I expected that I should be extra-careful not to ignorantly break one of their laws.

When in Rome, do whatever the fark Rome tells you to do, or LEAVE ROME.

Being here AS A NON-CITIZEN is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.  We already have more people here than we can adequately support as it is.


I earned my right to be here, how about you? It would also be interesting to know how many citizens I support by being here and playing my part.

/you're welcome
 
2013-02-23 10:21:06 PM  

TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.


Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.
 
2013-02-23 10:36:04 PM  
Not such a bad idea... I live in Mexico (legally, for work purposes) and my ID plainly says "foreigner"
 
2013-02-23 10:45:15 PM  
After running a long campaign on fiscal responsibility one of the very first things McCrory did when he got into office was put some of his friends in cabinet positions and then give them raises, because you know, it's hard living on 120K+ a year.
 
2013-02-23 10:49:54 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.



That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!
 
2013-02-23 10:54:04 PM  
clowncar on fire:

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No, only that it shows they take driving seriously enough to learn at least a bit about how a car really works.  See, then they can decide for themselves which type of transmission works best for them.

Kind of like velcro v. shoe laces; I swear that I've seen 15 year old kids who haven't learned to tie their shoes yet because they are wedded to velcro.  People who only drive auto cars are kind of like that.
 
2013-02-23 10:57:56 PM  

iron de havilland: TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.

Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  What does the proper tracking of non-citizen status have to do with being scared?

The problem with our country is too many people don't give a fark about things that actually matter.  YOU just want to see the next episode of American Jersey Shore Dancing Idols.

You don't give a fark about things like...oh...THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:34 PM  

clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.

My wife has been here since 95, holds green card and has never had trouble with licensing in the last 17 years or so.  Of course she used the legal route instead of sneaking in under the fence one night.  We keep forgetting that driving is a privilege extended to American citizens and those who play by the rules (lawful status).  If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.


Obviously, you aint gonna get no kind of D/L in the US unless you are at minimum a Resident Alien; period.

I do not however agree with your statement about "not driving as an American overseas".  I've rented cars on various continents and I've bought cars on three.  I've driven in quite a few countries, and I've held auto insurance policies in most all with nothing more than my Fla. Driver's license.  My friends from the U.K., Mexico, Argentina, France, Jamaica, ..., all drive in the US under the same arrangement.  Granted, it's "temporary", usually for no longer than a six month period at a time.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:51 PM  

TOSViolation: SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.


That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!


For starters, citizenship & immigration are federal issues, driver's licenses are state's responsibilities.
 
2013-02-23 11:14:33 PM  

TOSViolation: iron de havilland: TOSViolation: Tillmaster: TOSViolation: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card


Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?

You are a fool, sir. Kindly leave us.


No, stupid-ass fool from Connecticut.  Keep your idiot ideas up there while you cower in fear of the boogeyman.

Assuming you're not just a mid-level troll; who's the more scared in these examples:

1. The person that wants immigrant status be highlighted on a government issued document.
2. The person that doesn't give a fark.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.  What does the proper tracking of non-citizen status have to do with being scared?

The problem with our country is too many people don't give a fark about things that actually matter.  YOU just want to see the next episode of American Jersey Shore Dancing Idols.

You don't give a fark about things like...oh...THE SECOND AMENDMENT.


+Funny, I got a LOL from that.

/Look forward to your future work.
 
2013-02-23 11:15:29 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation: SurelyShirley: TOSViolation:  If you're from Tennessee, you have a license that says you're from Tennessee.  It looks different from the North Carolina license.  If you are not a CITIZEN, then it is reasonable for your license to indicate that.

Your passport indicates your citizenship, not your driver's license.


That's what this law is trying to change.

You haven't given a good reason why your license SHOULDN'T indicate your citizenship.

The NC driver's license has a person's name, age, WEIGHT, eye color, picture, STREET ADDRESS, etc., but you're outraged at the idea it could also indicate NATIONALITY?!

You're a farking MORON!

For starters, citizenship & immigration are federal issues, driver's licenses are state's responsibilities.



I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest.

Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.

You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:17 PM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


2.bp.blogspot.com
"Well I guess you're the sheriff now."
 
2013-02-23 11:40:38 PM  
Any of you, who are having a problem with the license proposal, might need to go ahead and buy some of this.  You'll need it.
 
2013-02-23 11:42:02 PM  

TOSViolation: I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest. Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.
You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.


Allrighty then, let's put everything on the driver's license: SSN, blood type, income, education, favorite color...anything else?
 
2013-02-23 11:44:02 PM  
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2013-02-23 11:46:42 PM  

SurelyShirley: TOSViolation: I beg to differ.  Residency status, such as green card or not, affect in-state tuition and other items of state interest. Even so, there is no federal law that directs the state against including citizenship information on a driver's license.
You're just a PC-bandwagon asshat.

Allrighty then, let's put everything on the driver's license: SSN, blood type, income, education, favorite color...anything else?



Yeah, Dorothy.  Go back to Oz, Little Miss ASSHAT...

www.brainygamer.com
 
2013-02-23 11:56:23 PM  
I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.
 
2013-02-24 12:06:31 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.



Seriously?

You have to be some kind of special asshole to equate slavery with a simple notation on a driver's license for someone who IS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!
 
2013-02-24 12:19:28 AM  
My Colombian foreign residency card had my thumb print and blood type.
 
2013-02-24 03:15:25 AM  

ruetheday69: You know who else liked to single out undesirables with the color pink?


Mattel?
 
2013-02-24 03:56:48 AM  

TOSViolation: Summer Glau's Love Slave: I'm so glad that all of the other pressing problems in my state have already been solved.

/Welcome to North Carolina.
//Please set your watches back 200 years.


Seriously?

You have to be some kind of special asshole to equate slavery with a simple notation on a driver's license for someone who IS NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN!


Whoa! You sure told him! Clearly your state legislature is a forward thinking body, with a rich background in social tolerance, of which you, Sir and or Madam, are a shining beacon. In fact, your views seem to be clearly in line with 21st Century modes of thought, and not low-brow in any fashion.

Your mama must be damned proud of you! Seriously.

/Btw... how did you vote on the Gay Marriage Amendment last May?
//NC native.
///I'm curious how much money our state is prepared to throw away invest in altering the new driver's licenses.
 
2013-02-24 04:08:27 AM  

SigilBear: ///I'm curious how much money our state is prepared to throw away invest in altering the new driver's licenses.

That's an excellent question. How much will this idiocy cost the taxpayer?

/Didya know that NC spent over 51 million dollars on the Gay Marriage ban?
//State of tolerance indeed.
 
2013-02-24 04:18:50 AM  

clowncar on fire: Funny how people have no problem of publically proclaiming themselves as "handicapped" regardless of whether it be true, in order to get better parking.


Why would people who aren't handicapped who are already sleazy enough to lie about it care about people knowing they were lying?  (When I was in college I knew at least two people who had bogus handicapped license placards.  One was an obnoxious sorority girl, who I kid you not, said she wanted to be a fashion journalist 'So she could do something important with her life'.  The other was a starting member of the school's Division I hoops team (probably the same one who was caught plagiarizing a paper- actually handing in someone else's paper- and told 'We don't want to catch you doing this again'.  The TA who caught him was threatened with expulsion if he went public.)  The paper he stole was his girlfriends, also a B-Baller.  Well, that's assuming it was his car.  It was someone on the basketball teams.  It was a bright yellow Hummer a booster had 'lent' him, that he'd park diagonally across two handicapped spaces so no one would scratch it.
 
2013-02-24 04:29:12 AM  
Doh, got so distracted, I didn't make my 'No legal status' point.  The article seems to suggest that anyone here, legally or illegally will get this license.  If that's the case, follow this train of logic- being here without legal status is quite possibly economically harmful.  Printing a license, especially since you might be required to show it in certain situations where this economic impact would be magnified, could be considered an instance of the state 'publishing' the information.  Since the error is both willful (therefore covering public figures who have to produce their licence) and seemingly with malice (it smacks of prejudice), is this libelous?

Even if the state might be indemnified against this, anyone who photocopies the license (except the holder) would be reprinting the libel, and there for liable themselves.

Not the most obvious legal challenge to the law, but I wonder...

(The last of my ancestors arrived by the 1850's, and some arrived as early as the Mayflower.  I really hate the 'my ancestors were the last generation that deserved to get in' attitude.  Even Native Americans were pretty good at pushing other tribes off of land they wanted.  At least it's not like Texas where ancestors of illegal immigrants to Mexico complain about 'Mexicans' where were there before them and their relatives who want to move back into the area.)
 
2013-02-24 04:40:52 AM  

SurelyShirley: clowncar on fire: SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?

Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?

That pink stripe would apply to all non-citizens, including those who immigrated legally.
I've immigrated legally and carry a green card. The two big differences between myself and a citizen would be that I can't vote and can't get drafted (before anyone starts an argument, I've served my country of birth).
If we're going to have a 2-class society, fine. You put a pink strip on my driver's license and I get to pay half the taxes. Deal?


How about you don't get to make the rules, have a vote, or a say in the matter - in return I won't tell you how to run your home country. My idiot politicians and the pundits might though, sorry on their behalf. If you want a say then become a citizen.

Also, people are getting butthurt about it being pink and are comparing it to Nazi Germany? Really? I'd get a pink one and I'm not even gay.
 
2013-02-24 04:43:46 AM  

clowncar on fire:   As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.



That's bullshiat. Most European countries accept American driver licences for visitors, only a small handfull of countries here require you to also have an International Driver Permit, which you can get at the AAA for about $15. If you take up permanent residence, getting a local licence is usually a sheer formality.
I can't imagine it's much different on other continents. All this stuff is governed by international treaties.
 
2013-02-24 09:59:46 AM  

iron de havilland: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard thing?
* Balance the car on the throttle? As in, if I'm going uphill, and approaching a set of lights that I know are going to change soon, I''m not going to stop + handbrake. Come down through the gears, then in first, give it enough clutch and throttle that the car is stationary, but ready to go.

And I'm almost certain that you can't skip gears you don't need with an auto, right? Will it go from 3rd to 5th when you don't need 4th. or does it always go through 4th?

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.

Really? As in torque converter and planetary gears?

I have no data to back up my claim, other than watching lots of Top Gear, but most sports cars I'm aware of are either manual, or automated double clutch manual.

/Motorsports porn: F1 transmissions are flappy paddle. Check out the clutch on this.


Automanuals are why I said trending. I, too watch tons of Top Gear (only the UK version, though), and they have given up the obligatory gripe when a new sports car isn't available in fully manual.
 
2013-02-24 10:01:48 AM  
Lotta Gaestarbeitern gettin' uppity on this thread.
 
2013-02-24 11:12:34 AM  

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


You always manage to find the wrong side of every discussion. I'm impressed by your consistency.
 
2013-02-24 12:02:49 PM  

DoctorCal: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

They are thinking about the positive reaction a policy like this gets from xenophobic morons like you see in this thread.

Hey, just have the H1Bs sleep on cots in the supply closet. They don't need to go anywhere besides work!


I am in the same position. I been in the country since 2002 when I got married. Unfortunately my driver's license is up for renwal soon. Thanks NC for this bs I get now. They voted in every anti-foreigner, anti any Christian, lets slash all the help to the poor because "fark you I have mine" politicians
 
2013-02-24 01:11:24 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: iron de havilland: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

I swear this is like the third manual vs. auto thread in as many weeks, and in each one someone has tried to suggest that manual transmissions are somehow outdated tech.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

No "machismo culture" for me. I just like having more control over my vehicle. I've never driven an automatic, and I'm genuinely curious about the level of control you have with it.

Can you:
* Select 2nd for pulling off in snow? I know some let you select second, but is that a standard thing across all manufacturers?
* Force the transmission to downshift for overtaking or going uphill? My bro had a Merc SLK (I think... the one that's the same as the Chrysler Crossfire) and if he double-tapped the throttle it would downshift, but, again, is that a standard ...


yeah but calling dual clutch an automatic isn't accurate.
 
2013-02-24 08:07:02 PM  
Oh good.  Someone in my city last year who was slammed into by 4 illegal immigrants on the run from 3 police cars, would have slept better at night by knowing the fake names on their licenses.

Lord knows she'd need something positive considering the car insurance found a loophole allowing them to tell her "screw you.  You pay for your car"
 
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