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(Winston-Salem Journal)   North Carolina debuts driver's licenses for "all non-US citizens" that say as much, with a bonus hot pink stripe. Sheriff Joe seen taking copious notes   (journalnow.com) divider line 143
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2013-02-23 06:44:11 PM
Here in mid-NC, I used to do video production/creative direction for a local PR firm. One contract we had was with the 'child support enforcement/lose your licenses, etc' campaign. For one spot, we scoped locations, including the infamous Gerald Hege/pink walls with teddy bear images cells/offices/etc.

The guy had 3 point-lighting installed in his office. You have to be a thimble-dicked, daddy-didn't-hug-me, over-compensating idiot to purposefully & permanently install 3 point lighting - putting "how you look on camera" as a priority while sheriff. It didn't help that one of his 'I wish I were qualified to be in the military' minions was convinced I was a previous 'guest' at the place (wasn't, but am sure my smirk when confronted didn't help).

ALL that said, I've lived in 5 states and NC is by far the best - inbreeds aside (know of a few that live up north so this isn't a 'southern vs northern' thing)... no worries - except for the duel billboards stating "Let's Keep NC Drug Free" aside a cigarette advertisement....
 
2013-02-23 06:45:36 PM
MNguy:

Go fark yourself, racist.

www.bant-shirts.com
 
2013-02-23 06:45:47 PM

clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.


My wife has been here since 95, holds green card and has never had trouble with licensing in the last 17 years or so.  Of course she used the legal route instead of sneaking in under the fence one night.  We keep forgetting that driving is a privilege extended to American citizens and those who play by the rules (lawful status).  If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:30 PM

clowncar on fire: Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?

Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.


Do you understand how US drivers licenses work?

Schmuck!
 
2013-02-23 06:53:19 PM
clowncar on fire:y.  As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license,  or military status, you don't drive.  You walk or ride a bike.

Actually Americans drive legally overseas as tourists all the time.
 
2013-02-23 06:54:52 PM
I believe we should have unlimited immigration, but not a single fark is given about a stripe on a license.
 
2013-02-23 06:57:41 PM
I'm assuming this only applies to non-whites?
 
2013-02-23 07:04:23 PM

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us. Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


No need to - they pick out the Red Sox cap all by themselves.
 
2013-02-23 07:05:12 PM

FreetardoRivera: Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there...


...Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.



Automatics handle the changes in speed so you don't have to.   Play your little radio too loud or distracted with your cellphone and see how well your standard does in 3rd gear at 65mph.  Contrary to your beliefs, speed is a function of the driver and not whether he is driving an auto or a manual so i'm not sure why you think only idiot automatic drivers have a monopoly over driving slow in the left lane.  No way to brake the engine with an automatic should you be driving around in a crappy car with no brakes?  Yeah, you'd have to assume the parking brake and drives were out too.  In that case running her off the road, up a hill, or the ol' failsafe of switching off the engine are probably out too.  I have a light weight car so slowing down without all the momentum pushing me along has never been an issue.  Dropping your clutch is not always conducive to save braking, especially on ice or gravel if that were the angle you were leaning at.

Finally- drivers of automatics are complete assholes while people who drive standards are are the epitomy of behavioral standards and a blessing amongst us sent by god himself.  Now you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-02-23 07:10:32 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


I hardly ever literally laugh out loud on Fark...

...but for this, I LOL'd.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:11 PM

Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


Meaning you just want a private lane to yourself. Even sports cars are trending to automatic.
 
2013-02-23 07:12:12 PM
Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!
 
2013-02-23 07:12:15 PM

vpb: Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?


Most likely it's the distinction between people with valid permission to reside (lawful alien status) in the US versus people without. For example, the official title for "greed card holder" is "lawful permanent resident." Further, anyone with a valid entry visa has "lawful status" of one sort or another. For someone to have "no lawful status" in immigration terms, they need to be an undocumented or "illegal" aliens. It may depend on the state, but in most cases, anyone with lawful alien status can apply for and receive a driver's license (as long as they're qualified to hold one). In fact, foreign nationals are required to do so if they plan to reside in a state and have legal permission to drive (it may also vary from state to state, but I think the rule is getting an in-state license within 30, 60, or 90 days of arrival... just like it is for US citizens who move between states).
 
2013-02-23 07:13:56 PM
Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?
 
2013-02-23 07:18:00 PM

BMFPitt: I believe we should have unlimited immigration, but not a single fark is given about a stripe on a license.


You might want to discuss this and what the results are with some of the west Germans when they opened their gates to the east...

The problem is that when you leave your door open without some sort of watch there are those out there that are willing to exploit the situation to the fullest.  I'm not sure I want to open my door to the drug and prostitute trafficers, carriers of TB and worse, murderers and molesters who are wanted by the law in their own countries, or people prepared to exploit the privileges of being American.  Leave your door open and become a repository for human garbage.  I think the current situation of by invitation only (with a guest in most cases) is keeping us busy enough by being gracious hosts to those who follow the rules.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:35 PM

festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?


If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.
 
2013-02-23 07:22:33 PM

clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.


That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).
 
2013-02-23 07:28:29 PM
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2013-02-23 07:29:22 PM

Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!


Rapists ask for ID first?
 
2013-02-23 07:29:43 PM

clowncar on fire: festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?

If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.


You're missing the reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges
 
2013-02-23 07:34:58 PM

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).


If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".
 
2013-02-23 07:39:14 PM
I dont see how anyone can have a problem with this.  The illegals should be counting themselves very lucky to have been given licenses despite thier being criminals.  To be honest they shouldnt have any license in the first place.  Having it clearly show their status doesnt seem like that bad of a deal when they are being coddled and given something they shouldnt have.
 
2013-02-23 07:40:16 PM

ScouserDuck: Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!

Rapists ask for ID first?


You don't?
 
2013-02-23 07:44:13 PM

clowncar on fire: misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).

If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".


That make sense, except that in states I've lived in, you have to prove lawful status before they'll actually give you a license. If NC is the same (and it likely is), adding a special disclaimer to the license is redundant - the mere fact that you have a license means you've been verified. Of course, lots of undocumented people get licenses because they find ways around verification (forging documents of various sorts to get a legit license, or just getting a fake license). Still, in that case, adding this disclaimer to the license doesn't solve the problem, because they'll just end up with a license that states "limited term" or "lawful permanent resident" or whatever they come up with to identify the aliens. Really, the only people likely to end up with an "unlawful" marker on their license are the kids who were brought here as infants without having a choice and who are trying their best to play by the rules, in hopes of someday benefiting from something like the Dream Act or an amnesty. Adding this badge of dishonor to their license only helps to discriminate against them and does little or nothing to prevent undocumented people from getting clean licenses if they want to get them.
 
2013-02-23 07:44:57 PM

NotoriousFire: ScouserDuck: Pichu0102: Oh awesome! That way people know who the guys are that don't usually have the resources to defend or pursue a case in court again!
Now that date rapist can feel safe knowing that his victims won't have the means to pursue a case against them. Thanks, NC!

Rapists ask for ID first?

You don't?


Plausible deniability.

/she told me she was 18
 
2013-02-23 07:45:38 PM
Fabulous!
 
2013-02-23 07:45:39 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.


Care to explain why?
 
2013-02-23 07:48:30 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 605x679]


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festoon: clowncar on fire: festoon: Why not just make them wear armbands with yellow triangles on them?

If you read your driver's manual, then you would know that yellow triangles are used to indicate that hazardous road conditions exist up ahead.

You're missing the reference:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges


And you are missing the joke.  We all know they are trying to make an association between wearing a star of David pinned to your uniform and having a license granting you a privilege that identifies you of not necessarily holding all privileges that a legal immigrant would be afforded.

Funny how people have no problem of publically proclaiming themselves as "handicapped" regardless of whether it be true, in order to get better parking.
 
2013-02-23 07:48:53 PM
Really?

Even Texas, which is full of GOP asshats, issues a driver's license to anyone with a verifiable address in the state, it's a certification of your competence to operate a motor vehicle not a damned proof of citizenship.  Adding more information is just making the DPS (our DMV) have more paperwork and thus suck even harder.

I mean, come on, man.

//Admittedly our GOPers are a bit different from the national GOP, in that they talk the talk but, most major business interests in the state being entirely in favor of illegals as cheap labor, their donors rarely let them walk the actual walk.  Ted Cruz unfortunately being the exception...
 
2013-02-23 07:50:25 PM

SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?


Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?
 
2013-02-23 07:51:31 PM

ggecko:  oblig


I've seen this before. What's the story behind it?
 
2013-02-23 07:55:36 PM

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: If you are not of lawful status but are still being granted the privilege of driving but with the caveate of having a special identifier, consider yourself damned lucky. As an American overseas, unless you are on some sort of special status, hold a temporary international license, or military status, you don't drive. You walk or ride a bike.

That depends entirely on the country. If you're in lawful status in whatever country for a sufficient amount of time, you can almost certainly get a domestic driver's license. If you're traveling short term, having an international license is a smart idea, because they may not recognize (or know how to read) a license from an American state, and there would be no need to go through the hassle of getting a domestic license for a short trip (and likely no need to get one as long as you're in-country for less than the mandated amount of time before you're legally required to get a domestic license).

If you are foreigner in America on a legal status you can get your license immediately.  Maybe we could just end the debate and say, "you know what, identifying people who are unlawfully here yet are still granted driving privileges is placing an undue burden upon their sholders (unlike having to walk everywhere), so let's put this to rest by issuing licenses only to people who are here under legal status".

That make sense, except that in states I've lived in, you have to prove lawful status before they'll actually give you a license. If NC is the same (and it likely is), adding a special disclaimer to the license is redundant - the mere fact that you have a license means you've been verified. Of course, lots of undocumented people get licenses because they find ways around verification (forging documents of various sorts to get a legit license, or just getting a fake license). Still, in that case, adding this disclaimer to the license doesn't solve the problem, because they'll j ...


There are states that require convicted drunk drivers to drive with clearly marked plates.  Should we not first take care of the issue of shaming our own before we go after those illegal immigrants given driving privileges?
 
2013-02-23 08:03:59 PM

clowncar on fire: SurelyShirley: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Care to explain why?

Privileges of being a natural born citizen and an incentive to immigrate legally?


That pink stripe would apply to all non-citizens, including those who immigrated legally.
I've immigrated legally and carry a green card. The two big differences between myself and a citizen would be that I can't vote and can't get drafted (before anyone starts an argument, I've served my country of birth).
If we're going to have a 2-class society, fine. You put a pink strip on my driver's license and I get to pay half the taxes. Deal?
 
2013-02-23 08:05:46 PM
so much for the ' OH! we're cool if you're a legal immigrant who came here legally.. we just don't like the illegal ones' rhetoric.. This license BS is yet another reason why Republicans are just full of it and in reality have a deep seated hatred and mistrust of non whites.
 
2013-02-23 08:06:21 PM
I'm okay with anything that means an illegal alien gets the bullshiat ticky-tack $120 fine, plus costs, plus surcharges, plus surcharge fees, plus surcharge fee surcharge tax assessment supplemental surcharge fees for rolling through a stop sign at .05mph instead of me.
 
2013-02-23 08:16:25 PM

Girion47: It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


And clearly the most important distinguishing factor between "attentive, consider driver" and "jerkhole with a car" is the type of transmission in their vehicle. As we all know it's impossible to be a jerk while shifting occasionally, just as it's impossible to be considerate without a clutch pedal. That's why I refuse rental cars unless they're manual and have crank windows; even though I'm a good driver I know that just a few minutes in close proximity to an active torque converter could permanently diminish my driving capabilities. And don't even get me started on those dual-clutch a-holes; they think they're as cool as the kids with manual transmissions, but we all know that their newfangled computers sneak into their bedrooms at night and drill out the portion of their brain responsible for the decision to move right when driving slowly.
 
2013-02-23 08:19:18 PM
Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....
 
2013-02-23 08:20:49 PM
That should take car of those annoying foreign car companies opening plants in the state.

I suppose they'll figure out how to harass the tourists next.
 
2013-02-23 08:21:21 PM

EngineerAU: How is a green card not a lawful status? Is the article or NC full of it on that one?


This isn't about green card holders.  Last summer, Obama signed an executive order allowing for roughly 1 million people who came here before the age of 16 to apply for 'Deferred Action.'  Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA).  Essentially, they are filing paperwork to surrender themselves to the immigration service for having unlawfully entered or for having overstayed a lawful entry visa.  If they qualify (entry before age 16, uninterrupted presence between June 2007 to June 2012, high school diploma or studying towards one, no major criminal activity, between ages 15-31 at filing), the government 'defers action,' that is, foregoes placing them into deportation proceedings at this time.

Preexisting regs allowed for those in deportation proceedings to apply for temporary work authorization, at the discretion of the immigration authories.  In this program, essentially everyone who is found to have qualified for deferred action is granted work authorization for two years ( for $465 processing fee).

When a handful of states started making noise that they wouldn't grand drivers licenses to DACA approved people because they were still unlawfully present, the federal government clarified its position that those registered in the DACA program were lawfully here, in that they are now known quanties, and if they failed to qualify, would be in deportation.  However, splitting legal hairs, lawful presence isn't lawful immigration status.  So North Carolina decided that this is of utmost importance to put on the licenses.
 
2013-02-23 08:32:14 PM
This would be a great state, if it wasn't for (some of) the people.
 
2013-02-23 08:37:03 PM
insanoAh, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.

Not true! The talking heads on the TV last night while I was at the gym said they found 3 people who claimed to have voted for Obama multiple times!
 
2013-02-23 08:47:49 PM

bedtundy: neritz: GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.

How about a gold star for making it into the country?

Oh, and they can work in camps too. Have them concentrated into general areas around the country for safety. Nobody has ever done this before.


We should call it the Fine Ol' Solution.
 
2013-02-23 08:52:37 PM

Thunderpipes: Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....


Republicans support illegal aliens just as much (more for big business cheap labor than for the votes).

Heck, it was Zombie Reagan that was the last President to give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens here.

/both sides want illegal aliens here, just for different reasons.

//Heck, even the catholic  pedophiles group supports illegal aliens for the resulting infusion of cash donations.

///doesn't care either way.
 
2013-02-23 09:25:05 PM

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Thunderpipes: Still can't believe libs suport illegal aliens 100%. Makes no sense. Unless you want their votes...

Oh crap, 11 million new Democratic votes Obama wants to make legal....

Republicans support illegal aliens just as much (more for big business cheap labor than for the votes).

Heck, it was Zombie Reagan that was the last President to give amnesty to the millions of illegal aliens here.

/both sides want illegal aliens here, just for different reasons.

//Heck, even the catholic  pedophiles group supports illegal aliens for the resulting infusion of cash donations.

///doesn't care either way.


None of the people receiving these licenses are illegal.  They just aren't US citizens.
 
2013-02-23 09:29:59 PM
So many people get so butthurt over the silliest things.

They ARE NOT CITIZENS!  They don't deserve this level of outrage.

If they don't like the rules for being in our country AS A NON-CITIZEN, then they can go the Hell back home.

I went to China.  I never had any problems with any of the people there.  The thing is, I didn't expect them to "owe" me anything.  I expected that I should be extra-careful not to ignorantly break one of their laws.

When in Rome, do whatever the fark Rome tells you to do, or LEAVE ROME.

Being here AS A NON-CITIZEN is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.  We already have more people here than we can adequately support as it is.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:05 PM
That's not pink, it's scarlet.
 
2013-02-23 09:36:24 PM
Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card
 
2013-02-23 09:38:01 PM

TOSViolation: They ARE NOT CITIZENS!


And it would be totally unreasonable to treat them like "normal" people -- after all, their mothers were standing in another country when they were born. Clearly that means God doesn't love them, otherwise he would have transported their mothers here so they could be citizens.

/ Arbitrary distinctions are arbitrary, even if they're not based on skin color
 
2013-02-23 09:38:41 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Jesus Christ tap dancing on a cracker.

Go fark yourself North Carolina.

/on a Green Card



Why?  Does this somehow prevent you from driving?  Why the outrage?  Did the scary colors touch you in a naughty place?
 
2013-02-23 09:39:13 PM

PapaChester: That's not pink, it's scarlet.


I hope you're trying to make an allusion, because that color is magenta.
 
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