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(Winston-Salem Journal)   North Carolina debuts driver's licenses for "all non-US citizens" that say as much, with a bonus hot pink stripe. Sheriff Joe seen taking copious notes   (journalnow.com) divider line 143
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2013-02-23 01:07:38 PM
The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 01:38:44 PM

Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.


Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?
 
2013-02-23 01:49:35 PM
Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.
 
2013-02-23 02:22:17 PM
Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?
 
2013-02-23 02:40:17 PM
i1121.photobucket.com

/Stinking badges
 
2013-02-23 03:19:02 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?


It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 03:19:25 PM
Darth_Lukecash

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.
 
2013-02-23 05:19:20 PM

Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.


The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.
 
2013-02-23 05:51:37 PM
Part of the reason for the distinct license, DOT officials said, was to safeguard against voter fraud.

Ah, yes. The ubiquitous voter fraud argument.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:01 PM

ZAZ: According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.


Ah, to stamp out voter fraud. We can always count on republicans to spend money solving problems that don't exist.
 
2013-02-23 05:55:22 PM

GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.


How about a gold star for making it into the country?
 
2013-02-23 05:56:43 PM
You know who else liked to single out undesirables with the color pink?
 
2013-02-23 05:57:22 PM
Sheriff Joe is not only taking copious notes, but he's masturbating furiously, tears of joy in his eyes.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:48 PM
So..you can finally tell who can drive because those who can will have that pink stripe on their license?
 
2013-02-23 05:59:20 PM
If they don't like the way the license looks they can leave.  Or go to Canada.
 
2013-02-23 06:00:31 PM

Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.


Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:33 PM
I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:08 PM
What? No pink stars sewn on sleeves?
 
2013-02-23 06:04:09 PM
This will be an amazing popular document among illegal immigrants!
 
2013-02-23 06:04:42 PM

Propain_az: If they don't like the way the license looks they can leave.  Or go to Canada.


Go back to africa.
 
2013-02-23 06:05:52 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.


Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:33 PM

vpb: Krieghund: The state attorney general's office said these DACA recipients have "lawful presence" and therefore are eligible for a license. As a result, the state Department of Transportation decided to issue licenses starting March 25 with red capital letters saying "NO LAWFUL STATUS" and "LIMITED TERM."

Those two statements seem to contradict each other.

Maybe they are not illegal under state law but have no legal status under Federal law?


Isn't immigration status solely a matter of Federal law?
 
2013-02-23 06:07:07 PM
How is a green card not a lawful status? Is the article or NC full of it on that one?
 
2013-02-23 06:08:36 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.


I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?
 
2013-02-23 06:09:50 PM
So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?
 
2013-02-23 06:10:28 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: HotIgneous Intruder: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I still say we shouldn't be issuing them DLs.

Slavery will never go out of style; got to enable it somehow.

I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


Some would say the conditions in their home country, and then one could point out that improving the conditions is their responsibility and immigrating could be seen as cowardly.

But then you have Fark's PC brigade run in and call you racist.    Even when a race isn't mentioned.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:02 PM

Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.



I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.
 
2013-02-23 06:13:08 PM

neritz: GAT_00: Oh good now we can effectively mark those who are lesser than us.  Perhaps we could also require them to wear something on their clothes.

How about a gold star for making it into the country?


Oh, and they can work in camps too. Have them concentrated into general areas around the country for safety. Nobody has ever done this before.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:04 PM

clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.


It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.
 
2013-02-23 06:18:16 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?


Us?  You haven't read a history book or newspaper in your life at all?  Pretty impressive

Need a license to get insurance, so if you don't want them using our 'resources' you should support this.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:03 PM

fanbladesaresharp: So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?


New drivers in Japan get to drive around with a large yellow and green magnet indating that they are expirienced driver, the elderly get a a blue and orange one until they can longer drive.

4.bp.blogspot.com

Some id's even get you (well the one's that drive your vehicle) special privileges.

Think of that identifying plate as a pass for just not being dragged out of your car for being a suspected illegal.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:13 PM
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2013-02-23 06:20:26 PM

Champion of the Sun: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: I'm sorry: Who's forcing them to come over here and use our resources?

Us?  You haven't read a history book or newspaper in your life at all?  Pretty impressive

Need a license to get insurance, so if you don't want them using our 'resources' you should support this.


Us? We're putting walking inot their countries, pointing guns at them, and saying "Go to the US!"?
 
2013-02-23 06:21:15 PM

ZAZ: Darth_Lukecash

According to the article, to make sure the driver's license is not taken to imply eligibility to vote. It's similar in concept to distinctive under-21 licenses that do not imply eligibility to buy alcohol.


Then it would say "No Voting Status" or similar.  This is trying to dehumanize people, this has jackshiat to do with vote fraud.
 
2013-02-23 06:21:35 PM

fanbladesaresharp: So what do other countries do in the same situation? Is there similar outrage? Also, what if they're "non legal status" AND under 21? Is the card neon farking international orange?


No outrage here because our driving licence is just a driving licence. We rarely use it as an ID, mine doesn't even have my photo on it and there is no obligation to carry it, so no one would ever think it meant the holder had citizenship. It just means you live here.

/I think the only people who use it as an ID is to buy alcohol or cigarettes.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:54 PM
Considering that these are the people who whine about Big Government and useless bureaucracy, they sure love Big Government and useless bureaucracy. It's almost as if their real problem isn't with big government and bureaucracy per se, but with some other people who shall remain nameless.

I guess we should just scratch these states off of the list of places that welcome Canadian and European tourists and euro-dollars and move on to some place friendlier.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:48 PM
It might be a good idea to think this farking racist and xenophobic legislation through before passing it, instead of patching it up later for the unintended victims and consequences.
 
2013-02-23 06:24:54 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Us? We're putting walking inot their countries, pointing guns at them, and saying "Go to the US!"?


Yeah, exactly.  We make em stop off at the FEMA reeducation camps first, of course.
 
2013-02-23 06:28:12 PM

Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


On the opposite side of the coin- manual drivers (especially the inexpirienced) are never distracted with the clutch and gas synchonization thing, never roll back on a hill or stall out.  Its all a matter of personal taste.  I'd prefer a manual in snowbound areas, an the convenience of an automatic in the city or in flatter areas.  Inexpirienced people driving manuals in hilly territory can bite me.  Learn to drive an automatic for a year before trying to learn how to take off up hill without the distraction of frigging  around with gears and clutches.
 
2013-02-23 06:32:26 PM
I think that North Carolina has to look forward to many of the same things Wisconsin's done already after elected some teabagger loser as governor: first of all the derp is going to be endless.  Second, you're going to be spending millions of tax dollars on court battles to defend poorly written laws.  Third, the hypocrisy that comes from these people is going to be mind-blowing.

At best, North Carolina and Wisconsin can get new governors next time around and repeal some of the laws in spite of the gerrymadering.  If nothing else, we can sit and reminisce about the days when we has decent states.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:05 PM
Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:4.bp.blogspot.com
/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.
//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.
///Suck it, haterz.
 
2013-02-23 06:34:37 PM
I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?
 
2013-02-23 06:35:45 PM

brantgoose: It might be a good idea to think this farking racist and xenophobic legislation through before passing it, instead of patching it up later for the unintended victims and consequences.


What if that illegal is european or eastern european?  Shame on you for assuming that race is an indicator of illegal status.
 
2013-02-23 06:36:53 PM

Girion47: It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.


Do you think maybe the reason you think automatic drivers are bad drivers is that over 90% of cars are automatics now? I think there is a wide range of bad drivers; transmission type doesn't necessarily have much to do with it.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:45 PM

Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?


Did you emigrate legally or are you still on the run.  That would probably be the only reason effecting why you would want to get your license in NC.
 
2013-02-23 06:38:03 PM
 oblig

www.autoguide.com
 
2013-02-23 06:38:42 PM

Ex-Texan: Like the Texas DPS no longer using sharpshooters in choppers, when 2 Guatemalan illegals were killed in a high speed chase. If they hadn't commited a crime(coming across illegally). If they didn't come here, the risk of death is less. To make sure there is no ambiguity, I'd like to propose, in addition to the pink stripe:[4.bp.blogspot.com image 585x439]
/Half hispanic, since the 1730s docs show forbears citizens Republic of Texas and then U.S. citizens.
//Not racist, Central Americans an ethnicity, not a race.
///Suck it, haterz.


Go fark yourself, racist.
 
2013-02-23 06:40:45 PM

Tillmaster: I'm British.
I have a green card.
I've lived legally in the States since 1984. It's basically my country now.
I was actually, for family reasons, considering moving to NC. Now, not so much.
What the fark are these redneck idiots thinking about?


They are thinking about the positive reaction a policy like this gets from xenophobic morons like you see in this thread.

Hey, just have the H1Bs sleep on cots in the supply closet. They don't need to go anywhere besides work!
 
2013-02-23 06:43:26 PM
I support changing this tired immigration flame war into a tired manual vs. automatic transmission flame war.

I learned on manual and my first two cars were manual, my current and previous were automatic. There's no material difference in vehicle control. Heck, most modern automatics give you gear by gear control if you really really want it. Driver quality differences... you really pull up next to everyone on the road and stare past their lap to see what their gearshift looks like? No, you're just making up bullshiat.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:43 PM

Girion47: clowncar on fire: Girion47: Flint Ironstag: Lsherm: Darth_Lukecash: Why would this information need to be on a drivers license?

It shouldn't, it's the kind of thing you'd put on a National ID card, if we actually had one.  When I was living in Hong Kong you had to register for a generic ID after you got your visa.  Since the British can't drive on the proper side of the road, I never got a driver's license while I was there.

The British don't have an ID card, or use a driving licence as a de facto ID card. My driving licence is in a fire safe at home and has been for years. I never carry it, even when driving.

Yeah well, in Europe your license is something that shows a competency at driving, here in the US they're handed to anyone that can figure out to move the stick thing to the "D".

/Wants a law that bans automatics from anything but the right lane
//They're the AOL of the automotive world.


I'm right there with you brother.  And telephones- if they aren't attached to a some kind of cord going to the wall, they should be outlawed as well.

Automatic vs manual.  Some things never change.  Here's the giggle.  There are actually people out there that still believe driving a stick makes them part of that machismo culture.

It isn't the machismo, it's the awareness of conditions.   Automatics you just put it in gear and do a minimum.  You have hands free for other things and you pretty much ignore what your engine is doing, you don't mind cruising in the left lane slowing everyone up, or slushing around in traffic, there's no way to really engine brake, my main issue with automatic drivers is they have no consideration for other people on the road and how they may be affecting them.

 
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