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2013-02-23 05:16:42 PM  
13 votes:
I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.
2013-02-23 05:31:19 PM  
10 votes:
Right now 25% of the electorate will follow the repubs wherever they go, whatever the outcome. Forty percent of the electorate will, within reason, follow the Democrats wherever they go whatever the outcome (I said "within reason;" if the Democrats start to act as crazy as the repubs, they will lose the moderate wing pronto). Five percent of the electorate are former repubs who have removed themselves from voting in national elections because they can't bring themselves to vote for the crazy party OR for the Democrats. That leaves 30% of the electorate up for grabs. Under ordinary circumstances they will split down the middle, 15% for each, which gives the Democrats the win. Even if the 5% disillusioned repubs come back into the fold (which they more or less did, reluctantly, in 2012), the Democrats still win. In order for the repubs to win a national election, they need their entire base of crazies, the disillusioned 5%, and two thirds of the independent vote. Furthermore, that undecided contingent specifcally excludes the blacks, who have been written off by the repubs as a bad bet and will never again vote for a repub candidate in our lifetimes.

But the repubs cannot bring in that 20% unless they moderate their stances on abortion, immigration and, to a lesser extent, gay rights. If they do that, they will lose a sizable percentage of the 25% crazy Teatard vote which currently constitutes their base. The repubs are beyond being between a rock and a hard place. They literally cannot win under any reasonable scenario (can you imagine what the Democrats' winning percentage would have been in the last election had their candidate been white?) and I think they're aware of the fact. Under the circumstances they can hope for a meltdown on the Democratic side, or they can come up with some scheme to steal the election, or they can hunker down, hang on to their local seats which are safe until the next census, and hope for a miracle.

So the question is, why would the repubs allow the sequester to take place and the answer is, why not? They have nothing to lose. They have nothing to gain either, but at this point they are not acting rationally. Eric Cantor's and Lindsay Graham's seats are safe no matter what. The repubs will allow the sequester to take place, stand in the way of any attempt to ameliorate the effects and stand by as the country suffers because they want the country to suffer. America rejected the repub Party. America must be punished for that presumption. Who cares what happens to the yokels back home who elected them? Whatever their suffering, they will blame Obama any way, so why not pull the country down around everyone's ears and see what kind of money you can make in the process? This is how far they've fallen.

The GOP: Party of Traitors.
2013-02-23 03:18:34 PM  
10 votes:

Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.


There are things that have to be paid for.  Infrastructure, education, defense, and a hell of a lot more.  These things are necessary if we want to be a functioning society.  It's easy to say "spending is too high," but it's difficult to propose what should actually be cut.  Everyone wants to  cut "wasteful" spending, but what seems wasteful to one person is absolutely needed by another.

"Cut spending!" makes a good bumper sticker, but it is not a viable way to run a society.  If we want the benefits of civilization, we have to pay for them, and as long as population keeps growing, the costs are going to continue to increase.
2013-02-23 03:41:31 PM  
8 votes:
My suggestion still stands: the President should be seen supporting baseball, basketball, football, go to NASCAR events, and support animal shelters, apple pie and Mom and Pop stores, and watch as Congressional leaders and FOX News screech to denounce it all. It is simple obstructionism, at its heart. Show it for what it is.
2013-02-23 12:56:26 PM  
8 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.  Boehner says he got 98% of what he wanted, and the Republicans blame the remaining 2% for all of the world's problems.

For three decades, taxes have been far too low.  We need to get back to a reasonable tax structure and start paying our bills with actual income rather than with borrowed money.  That may hurt in the short term, but it's necessary.  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.
2013-02-23 12:36:04 PM  
8 votes:
 

tenpoundsofcheese: No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


They've postponed an aircraft carrier strike group's deployment.  Civilian DOD employees, of which there are about 800,000, will face furloughs one day a week, every week.  Someone will notice.
2013-02-23 06:30:27 PM  
7 votes:
The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.
2013-02-23 05:28:31 PM  
7 votes:

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
www.washingtonpost.com(hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.
2013-02-23 05:54:14 PM  
6 votes:

Snotnose: It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.


No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!
2013-02-23 05:40:05 PM  
6 votes:
WELCOME TO WHAT THE REST OF US COULD CLEARLY SEE IN 2009, MISTER PRESIDENT!
2013-02-23 05:29:35 PM  
6 votes:
Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.
2013-02-23 12:33:59 PM  
6 votes:
You can lead a horse to water, but the Teabaggers are still stupid farkheads.
2013-02-23 12:12:46 PM  
6 votes:
Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.
2013-02-23 11:55:19 AM  
6 votes:
If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.
2013-02-23 06:12:07 PM  
5 votes:

Mrbogey: quatchi: Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

[looks]

Yea, you're delusional. Unless you think TPM, NYT, ThinkProgress, and NBC count as rightwing.

So oppressed...


Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.

Most media is corporate first and foremost.

Actual journalists value impartiality.

There is no liberal equivalent of FOX on American TV.

Just as there is no liberal equivalent of Rush on radio.

On the whole RW media predominates in the US and has for quite some time.

But most RWers tend to stick with thinking they are the oppressed minority on that front.

Nice projection there, btw.

Never saw that coming.

*eyeroll*
2013-02-23 05:55:08 PM  
5 votes:
cman: quatchi: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.


[itsaconspiracy]


Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

FOX, stories about Rush, Daily Caller, American Thinker, World Net Daily, stories being featured on Drudge, Washington Times, WSJ, Newsbusters, Town Hall, NRO, Twitchy, etc etc.

Compare that to what? HuffPo? MoJo? Kos? MSNBC?

Then look me in the eye and try to say liberal media predominates.

Go ahead. I need a good laugh.
2013-02-23 05:45:39 PM  
5 votes:

Mrbogey: Xythero: Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.

That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
[www.washingtonpost.com image 515x409](hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.

Those weren't cuts. Those were reductions in growth of spending across 10 years.

It's like saying I promise to give you a years worth of TotalFark and then come back and say that I'll only give you a month of TotalFark and you saying I cheated you out of 11 months of TotalFark. Obama's first budget was around 3.5 trillion. Now it's 3.8 trillion. Work it out to yourself how 3.8 is less than 3.5 and then get back to me.

But the hacks at CBPP say it so it must be true.


Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.
2013-02-23 05:40:22 PM  
5 votes:
You know, if people hate tax hikes, we could always make up revenue shortages by retroactively fining all those banks that lied about the quality of the mortgage bonds that they were selling. Hell, I was just watching the BBC World News, and the UK has funded some great programs (like ones to help wounded vets) with monies raised from fining the banks.
2013-02-23 06:22:02 PM  
4 votes:

SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.


40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

www.people-press.org
2013-02-23 06:16:10 PM  
4 votes:

clambam: The GOP: Party of Traitors.


i560.photobucket.com
2013-02-23 06:01:40 PM  
4 votes:
i48.tinypic.com
2013-02-23 05:58:33 PM  
4 votes:

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


First off, viewing this austerity plan as payback for the Democrats getting their way on tax increases is beyond petty. Should we govern our nation based on playground rules? Do you realize what spending cuts would do to our economy right now? I suppose you can just blame it on the liberals when teachers are fired, roads deteriorate and North Korea decides to get all stabby because we can't "support the troops" like we used to.

Secondly, liberals are a youthful, healthy bunch. Most conservatives I know are 40+ and couldn't make it up two flights of stairs without panting and breaking out into a sweat. You assume, that because we eat sushi and read books that aren't crass political punditry, that we don't know how to fire a gun or have the know-how to survive your wet dream of an apocalypse. As a socialist commie muslim usurper who lives in farm country, I laugh at your assertions.
2013-02-23 05:20:03 PM  
4 votes:
No, the problem is that Obama, despite all attempts to the contrary and all efforts to get him to see reason, continues to be black and seems intent on remaining black for the remainder of his presidency. Can't anyone else see how unreasonable he's being about all this?
2013-02-23 05:14:22 PM  
4 votes:

FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.  Boehner says he got 98% of what he wanted, and the Republicans blame the remaining 2% for all of the world's problems.

For three decades, taxes have been far too low.  We need to get back to a reasonable tax structure and start paying our bills with actual income rather than with borrowed money.  That may hurt in the short term, but it's necessary.  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.


They're not idiots, they're just paid for by rich people who are trying their damndest to make this a neofeudal society of bullshiat.  and they've just about won.
2013-02-23 05:10:20 PM  
4 votes:
Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?
2013-02-23 05:08:22 PM  
4 votes:

cman: lordjupiter: They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.


Yes it is 100% about his race. There is no other explanation.


Considering he's very well to the right and very much part of the establishment, I'd say yes, that explains it pretty well.
2013-02-23 03:56:26 PM  
4 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.
2013-02-23 02:35:36 PM  
4 votes:
GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.
2013-02-23 01:50:10 PM  
4 votes:

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


If that were the case, we would've elected Mitt Romney last year.
2013-02-23 12:10:10 PM  
4 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


In Bizarro World?
2013-02-23 12:03:57 PM  
4 votes:
Once people start having to wait an extra 90 minutes at the airport shiat is gonna go south for the GOP real quick.
2013-02-23 07:13:15 PM  
3 votes:

lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY


That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.
2013-02-23 06:04:45 PM  
3 votes:

homelessdude: neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.


Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.


img802.imageshack.us
2013-02-23 05:20:30 PM  
3 votes:

JohnnyC: I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.


This. Oh so very much this.
2013-02-23 12:19:48 PM  
3 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

And those who aren't have a very short attention span.


Exactly.

And those who are paying attention and are looking for change may be limited by gerrymandering.
2013-02-23 12:14:26 PM  
3 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The majority of voters are ignorant.
2013-02-23 08:23:03 PM  
2 votes:
Obama on GOP: "I give up"

Yup, so do the rest of us.

So get Machiavellian and do whatever you have to (that doesn't further expand Executive reach) to put these shiat-kickers in their place and let's get moving on this whole "civilization" thing.

I get that the people pulling the GOP strings aren't completely stupid, but many of their puppets are.

You can't tell me in all the precedents set throughout history, all the subtle rules and bylaws of Congress... you can't find a way to pull a fast on on the GOP and troll the shiat out of them into passing a bill that might help some people.

I'd like to see the future we all know we are capable of sometime in my lifetime,

not a visit to 1938 in the way-back machine just so some inheritance trust-fund monkies that's gambled against the working class (and rigged the game to win) can suck up the rest of the economy for themselves and play Gods of the World.
2013-02-23 07:20:57 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points


No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.
2013-02-23 07:18:51 PM  
2 votes:

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


I think it was Yves Smith who runs Naked Capitalism that said when she worked at Goldman even in the early 90's the unspoken rule was "Shear, not slaughter," so I totally agree with you. There's something more than just simple greed at hand.
2013-02-23 06:59:46 PM  
2 votes:

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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Did you just... have a stroke in Javascript?!
2013-02-23 05:59:01 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Mike Chewbacca: Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.

I was going to leave your comment be when you posted the surplus from January earlier in the thread but I figured why start up an argument with the blissfully unaware. However, that's nothing to crow about. Monthly surpluses do happen on occasion. Some months have better receipts than other months due to the way payments fall. That doesn't mean we'll have a yearly surplus though.

If you want the analogy to fit it would be this. We took in $100 but spent $110. We then got a raise to $102 but we spent $111. So yea, we reduced our deficit but  we've not actually done anything to stop the deficit spiral. As long as the check cashing place keeps taking our checks though, we're totes fine. Sure we could reduce our deficit so when they stop cashing our checks or charge us more we won't be hurt badly but nah... let it roll baby!


Yeah, what a farking monster Obama is:

talkingpointsmemo.com
2013-02-23 05:52:42 PM  
2 votes:
Deep cuts to education. Aging bridges left to crumble. Public housing slashed! Hundreds of thousands of old and disabled people kicked into the street.
media.tumblr.com
I LOVE IT! NYEH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
2013-02-23 05:46:48 PM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


You don't need a gun if your side controls the drones.
2013-02-23 05:41:00 PM  
2 votes:

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.
2013-02-23 05:40:08 PM  
2 votes:
imgix.8tracks.com
Burn it all down.   This nation is in desperate need of a mercy killing.
2013-02-23 05:28:15 PM  
2 votes:
How big was the 2x4 that finally knocked this realization into him.

Love ya Barack but the GOP just isn't that into you.
2013-02-23 05:23:43 PM  
2 votes:

cman: The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?

People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.


Except when protected by gerrymandered districts, our elected officials are there because more people voted for them than the other guy. It has little to do with selfishness. Either they support the programs their constituents support, or they'll be voted out.
2013-02-23 05:23:31 PM  
2 votes:
Obama should have reached that conclusion about four years ago.

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


No, because GOP voters are too stupid to know what's good for them. They'll blame it on the socialists and keep on voting GOP. The only non-retards who still vote GOP are the few who benefit from their policies.

i560.photobucket.com
2013-02-23 05:21:45 PM  
2 votes:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

And this is the way the two parties work together to bleed your public money to the rich, by playing "Good Cop/ Bad Cop."  Too-Hoo.

/derp
2013-02-23 04:28:16 PM  
2 votes:

namatad: Snotnose: Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that

THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all



They're also cutting back the FAA, so air traffic controllers will be furloughed. Which means after your 1+ hour wait in the security line, you'll get the privilege of having 1.5+ hour delays as the pilots wait for clearance to take off.

CBP is also getting furloughed, so you're probably looking at 4+ hour waits to clear customs.

Think flying sucks now? Just wait, it's going to get worse. Much worse.
2013-02-23 04:13:28 PM  
2 votes:

Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.


My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).
2013-02-23 02:54:16 PM  
2 votes:

JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.


Now now that's a bit extreme. I'm sure many of them are capable of menial labor and can contribute to society in some small way. Of course they should never be allowed to vote or mingle with decent folk, though.
2013-02-23 02:50:42 PM  
2 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: You can only do it after a cencus, because the population will change.


strangely enough, that is not true.
the number of districts wont change, but the bias can.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/State-by-state_redistricting_p ro cedures

http://www.publicmapping.org/what-is-redistricting
How Often Can a State Redistrict?

In 2003, the nation was captivated by a group of Democratic Texas state legislators who fled the state to prevent Republicans from gerrymandering the state's congressional districts. At stake was Democratic-favored redistricting plan adopted by a court for the 2002 congressional elections, adopted after the state legislature failed to enact a redistricting plan. Eventually, Democrats relented and returned to Texas and Republicans were able to put their map in place. Democrats later challenged the legality of drawing districts mid-decade, without a new census prompting the necessity of drawing new districts.

The Supreme Court ruled inLULAC v  Perry that there is no federal prohibition on mid-decade redistricting.


the more you know
2013-02-23 12:14:47 PM  
2 votes:

King Something: Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


ayyup
2013-02-24 07:40:39 PM  
1 votes:

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.


And that's where I stopped reading your post.  Don't throw that bullshiat around here; that may work with Fox News viewers, but most of us here were paying attention.
2013-02-24 10:32:24 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: But Obama, being the lying political douchebag that he is, can't waste an opportunity to use the cuts as an opportunity to blame Repubs for something OBAMA proposed 2 years ago.


Lying?  Probably.  Douche?  Depends on perspective.

Here's my problem.  The idea of sequester was first used in Gramm Rudman in 1985.  A VERY conservative piece of legislation.  The current executive found himself in a corner, and proposed a trick from the republican play book.

It was conservative legislation then, it's conservative legislation now.  The difference?  This time a Democrat proposed it and out conservatived the "conservatives".  Throw in a little spin and the Republicans don't have any out.  They flat out lost the argument.

As a conservative first, I have to applaud the man for pushing through conservative legislation.  The fact that he has a D next to his name is, as it should be, immaterial.  How could you possibly see any different unless you're just a partisan hack with no intention of improving the country?
2013-02-24 06:09:07 AM  
1 votes:
Sequestration was never an option as far as Obama was concerned, this is all the House's baby. That was why he said during the campaign that sequestration was not going to happen, despite it being a provision in a bill he signed. It is not an option. It is stupidity. But you know what? The Republicans have got to learn to not taunt the dynamite monkey. It bit them when Clinton was in office and it will bite them this time as well. They gave it the dynamite and have been pelting it with their own feces. But the dynamite monkey doesn;t have feces to throw back, just this stick of dynamite. And now it's a game of hot potato, and I think that Congress is going to find that nobody else is playing that game. The question is will they stop saying the potato is hot and let it burn them or will they run around trying to convince everyone else to join them in it? When someone comes up to me with this disgusted look on their face holding up leftovers I am going to disvow any knowledge of the leftovers as well as any interest in taking a whiff.

So yeah, they need to just shut up, swallow their leftover hot potato dynamite and get rid of the damned chip on their shoulders. Politics is about the art of the possible, the crafting of compromise that lets government do its job, not holding the country hostage to get your way in everything. You know what we call organizations who take hostages for political purposes?
2013-02-24 05:57:58 AM  
1 votes:

General Zang: Snotnose: TV's Vinnie: No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!

In 1983 the guv brought in 600.6 Bln and spent 808.4 Bln.  In 2013 revenues were estimated at 2.9 trillion and spending 3.8 trillion.  How do you figure anyone is trying to run government on a 1983 level of revenue?

source:   http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200


First of all, are you seriously attempting to compare 1983 dollar amounts to 2013 dollar amounts, without factoring in inflation? Seriously?

Second, are you seriously trying to compare estimated revenues and spending figures for 2013 that don't take into account either the sequestration or the recent revenue increases? Seriously?

Is this how you were raised?


actually interesting comparison..in 1983 the govt spent 1.8 trillion in 2013 dollars.  We're spending twice as much today.  Awesome GOP talking point.  Course then you compare federal budget vs GDP and learn that its almost exactly the same....But the GOP wont mention that....Or tax rate comparisons that make sense, or changes in our environment, or social spending....or...well the list goes on.  No they will stop several steps back.  Where it looks like the argument favors them.  Thus...800 million, and today we spend 2.8 trillion.
2013-02-24 01:11:47 AM  
1 votes:

Snotnose: Asshats, you have $x to spend. $x should be your limit. Make priorities. Any priorities. Take a stand, defend them, live and die by them. But don't keep spending money you don't have.


Exactly. Balancing our books is more important than creating jobs. (Notice how Republicans have abandoned "jobs, jobs, jobs" in favor of "debt, debt, debt".)
2013-02-23 11:16:31 PM  
1 votes:

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.


Agreed.
2013-02-23 10:30:48 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?
2013-02-23 10:29:52 PM  
1 votes:

ultraholland: King Something: most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP

not my coworkers, man.


Just look forward to them biatching about

-the great healthcare options they have available to them,
-their kids finally coming home from war
-their gay relative they love (he/she's different from the 'others' so it's ok) being able live a normal life and enjoy their constitutionally mandated equal protection under the law
-and that medicare/soc security those evil libs fought to make sure are still there for them when the market pulls the carpet out from under their retirement accounts (which it will, again, it's only a matter of time)

If any of them are female, you can enjoy listening to them biatch about how great it was not to get a wand forced into their vagina for arbitrary reasons.
2013-02-23 09:20:04 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: quatchi: Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.

Oh look, another insider saying it's biased. Ehhh...feel free to move the goalposts


Brisbane says The Times treats the Occupy Wall Street movement and gay marriage "more like causes than news subjects,"

Hahahaha, does she even read the same paper she wrote for?  The NYT pretty much blew off OWS until it got too big for them to ignore it.  Same thing with the anti-Iraq war protests they ignored while playing cheerleader for the run up to the invasion.  Also the NY Times is a gay marriage advocate?   LOLWUT?
2013-02-23 09:00:20 PM  
1 votes:

tony41454: Boy y'all have really been guzzling the kool-aid. It was the Obama administration that gave us the sequestration. Even Bob Woodward, famous investigative journalist says, "The Sequester was Obama's idea."

Now Obama gets back from his tough golf weekend with Tiger and claims.......
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]

.............the future of America is Obama. --Wayne Allyn Root.


Thanks for the TownHall derp. You could have just linked it ya know. (townhall.com/columnists/wayneroot)

When you or Wayne Allyn Root media.townhall.com actually can muster an original thought that can be discussed, give us a shout.
2013-02-23 08:23:31 PM  
1 votes:

Snotnose: This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.


Snotnose: It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either


That's some fine derp, there.
2013-02-23 08:19:42 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.

Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."


Let's ask the NYT publisher.

From your link: TIMES publisher Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. doesn't think this walk through The Times is a tour of liberalism. He prefers to call the paper's viewpoint ''urban.'' He says that the tumultuous, polyglot metropolitan environment The Times occupies means ''We're less easily shocked,'' and that the paper reflects ''a value system that recognizes the power of flexibility.''

My take is that the NYT is arguably more liberal than conservative but that comes from being a newspaper in a very urban environment with all the sensibilities that entails and that the NYT at least brings objectivity and balance into the mix. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of talking points. The fact that the NYT has been held up as a bogeyman for decades by RW media types is largely responsible for the fact that the RW complaints about the NYT's reporting are always louder than the LW complaints about the same.

Here's one of a number of instances where FOX news literally read GOP talking points, note for note, word for word (including a typo) and tried to pass it off as their own work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/fox-passed-of-gop-talking_n _1 65720.html

Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.
2013-02-23 08:15:16 PM  
1 votes:
tony41454: DEEEERP

How am I supposed to take you seriously when you called the President "The House Negro in chief"
2013-02-23 07:59:29 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


I like reading real Republican tears as they realize they will be affected. Link
2013-02-23 07:24:10 PM  
1 votes:
There's some talk that the House may decide to lighten the load of the sequester somewhat by allowing department heads the ability to direct the nature of the cuts rather than force an across the board cut regardless of program.  If that's the case, I hope they start cutting a bunch of unnecessary bullshiat (extra F35 engines and excess M1 tank production spring to mind).
2013-02-23 07:16:49 PM  
1 votes:

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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According to Google Search, the computer from which you are posting is probably infected with a virus.

Goodluck.
2013-02-23 07:01:11 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.

There are things that have to be paid for.  Infrastructure, education, defense, and a hell of a lot more.  These things are necessary if we want to be a functioning society.  It's easy to say "spending is too high," but it's difficult to propose what should actually be cut.  Everyone wants to  cut "wasteful" spending, but what seems wasteful to one person is absolutely needed by another.

"Cut spending!" makes a good bumper sticker, but it is not a viable way to run a society.  If we want the benefits of civilization, we have to pay for them, and as long as population keeps growing, the costs are going to continue to increase.


THANK YOU.
2013-02-23 06:44:45 PM  
1 votes:
I vote we let the swamp return and let Congress realize how shiatty DC is when money isn't used to to keep things from going bad. Just a thought.
2013-02-23 06:37:53 PM  
1 votes:

nmemkha: The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.


I have always wondered about that and its implications.

In pro-wrestling, the crowd is a part of the show. The crowd can do as they are told (Cheer Hulk Hogan) or they can rebel (boo John Cena). And the crowd for their part loves this roll.

The crowd knows that it is a show and they are proud of being involved in the process.

I think GOP act the way they do is because they like being the bad guys. I think that the Democrats act the way they do is because they want to be the hero's fighting the honorable fight to the death. We are playing parts. It is a game and we are damn proud of playing it.
2013-02-23 06:16:11 PM  
1 votes:

tEh_PenGuin: I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?


I honestly don't know. I began to move to the center in my late teens, when I started to tire of my dad's tirades about Bill Clinton and black helicopters. I moved quite a bit to the left after 9/11/2001, though.
2013-02-23 06:11:17 PM  
1 votes:

violentsalvation: JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.

Let the hate flow through you.


Putting out rat poison doesn't mean you hate the rats. Killing off the little bastards is a matter of public health. Same thing here.
2013-02-23 06:06:40 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Ayup.

m.static.newsvine.com
2013-02-23 06:02:35 PM  
1 votes:
Mister President, they're called "Teatards" for a reason. Welcome to 2009.
2013-02-23 05:59:37 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.

My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).


I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?
2013-02-23 05:59:11 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


Unfortunately there is a huge percentage of people that will either forget, are so blinded by partisanship, or are easily fooled by propoganda that this won't have more than a couple points impact by the time midterms roll around.

On the other hand, a couple points is all it would take for a lot of those gerrymandered districts to change color.
2013-02-23 05:56:36 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


LOL! Keep puffing up and acting all tough guy, Descent Boy.
2013-02-23 05:52:47 PM  
1 votes:
who cares about the nation's problems and all that shiat the important thing is if my team is winning or not go team GOP fark you libs
2013-02-23 05:42:13 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


I hope that if this does turn into a disaster, any republican in the US should not only forget running for election/re-election, but should grab a disaster bag and their Swiss Bank account checkbook, and GTFO uf the USA before we start bringing out the guillotines.

As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.
2013-02-23 05:30:28 PM  
1 votes:

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


We had a $3 billion surplus in January.
2013-02-23 05:28:51 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


I categorically disagree. Remember: a lot of ignorant idiots don't vote. If this were true, gerrymandering wouldn't work because the Tea Party would be the absolute 60/40 majority.
2013-02-23 05:26:39 PM  
1 votes:
This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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2013-02-23 05:12:16 PM  
1 votes:

The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?


People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.
2013-02-23 05:08:23 PM  
1 votes:
Congress sucks

Obama outlasted Palin and the Pope

I want nachos
2013-02-23 05:07:41 PM  
1 votes:
Nice work. That only took 4 years to figure out. I'll wonder what he'll figure out 4 years from now.
2013-02-23 05:06:57 PM  
1 votes:

namatad: THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all



Which is what happens when one party refuses to compromise.  Republicans want the Democrats to give in to their demands without giving anything in return.  Since Republicans can't behave like responsible adults, and instead are acting like religious zealots, we will be treated to painful automatic cuts.
2013-02-23 03:43:28 PM  
1 votes:

FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.


This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.
2013-02-23 03:12:51 PM  
1 votes:

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget. This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


While that may be true, this talking point only underscores the general populace's ignorance with respect to the nature of federal appropriations and the ways our political leadership leverages this ignorance for their gain.

Most funding is locked in to specific programs and is not included in the sequester.  This is why, for example, the Navy postponed a CVN deployment; that is O&M (Operations and Maintenance) money, not SCN (Ship Construction, Navy) for example.

I could go much deeper on this, but I doubt that would matter really.
2013-02-23 02:16:48 PM  
1 votes:

King Something: The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


meh
the net-net result is that GOP voters will continue to vote GOP and the DEM voters will continue to vote DEM. The "surprise" for the GOP will be if the DEM voters turn out for the mid-term elections. Because when that happens ... LOLOLOL

Imagine DEMS turning out and taking back state houses? WHOOPS, now the DEMS can redistrict their state?? ROFL Imagine the uproar by the gops
2013-02-23 01:16:22 PM  
1 votes:

cman: Welcome to post-2012 election America, folks.

There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Partisanship reigns supreme.

/Still waiting for our second civil war to begin so we can just get the fark over it already


A great man once said "Its a psychological condition when there is no great external threat that threatens to destroy society.Partisanship aint going away. It is human nature to be competitive. If you look at everything, you will realize that competition overrides everything in our life. There is nothing in human society that does not have a competitive background attached to it. "
2013-02-23 01:14:53 PM  
1 votes:
Welcome to post-2012 election America, folks.

There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Partisanship reigns supreme.

/Still waiting for our second civil war to begin so we can just get the fark over it already
2013-02-23 12:48:51 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: The My Little Pony Killer: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

And those who aren't have a very short attention span.

Exactly.

And those who are paying attention and are looking for change may be limited by gerrymandering.


It's all going to come down to who controls the message better. Right now Democrats have the polls backing them. I do understand that can and does change.
2013-02-23 12:36:32 PM  
1 votes:
I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.
2013-02-23 12:26:04 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: About time this dumbass figured this out.


I really feel like we gave up our advantage during the fiscal cliff ransom in January.
2013-02-23 12:23:21 PM  
1 votes:
About time this dumbass figured this out.
2013-02-23 12:18:13 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


And those who aren't have a very short attention span.
2013-02-23 12:18:08 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


No they won't. Midterms are too far away.
 
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