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2013-02-23 11:55:19 AM  
If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.
 
2013-02-23 12:03:57 PM  
Once people start having to wait an extra 90 minutes at the airport shiat is gonna go south for the GOP real quick.
 
2013-02-23 12:06:49 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.
 
2013-02-23 12:10:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


In Bizarro World?
 
2013-02-23 12:12:46 PM  
Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.
 
2013-02-23 12:14:26 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The majority of voters are ignorant.
 
2013-02-23 12:14:47 PM  

King Something: Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


ayyup
 
2013-02-23 12:15:04 PM  

King Something: Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


just liked they punished them for not getting in line with 0bamacare during the 2010 midterm election.
 
2013-02-23 12:18:08 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


No they won't. Midterms are too far away.
 
2013-02-23 12:18:13 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


And those who aren't have a very short attention span.
 
2013-02-23 12:19:48 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

And those who aren't have a very short attention span.


Exactly.

And those who are paying attention and are looking for change may be limited by gerrymandering.
 
2013-02-23 12:23:21 PM  
About time this dumbass figured this out.
 
2013-02-23 12:26:04 PM  

GAT_00: About time this dumbass figured this out.


I really feel like we gave up our advantage during the fiscal cliff ransom in January.
 
2013-02-23 12:33:59 PM  
You can lead a horse to water, but the Teabaggers are still stupid farkheads.
 
2013-02-23 12:36:04 PM  
 

tenpoundsofcheese: No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


They've postponed an aircraft carrier strike group's deployment.  Civilian DOD employees, of which there are about 800,000, will face furloughs one day a week, every week.  Someone will notice.
 
2013-02-23 12:36:32 PM  
I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.
 
2013-02-23 12:48:51 PM  

Bontesla: The My Little Pony Killer: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

And those who aren't have a very short attention span.

Exactly.

And those who are paying attention and are looking for change may be limited by gerrymandering.


It's all going to come down to who controls the message better. Right now Democrats have the polls backing them. I do understand that can and does change.
 
2013-02-23 12:53:33 PM  

dudemanbro: Once people start having to wait an extra 90 minutes at the airport shiat is gonna go south for the GOP real quick.


I'm sure they'll spin it to at least partially put the blame on Obama and with their gerrymandered  districts they would really have fark the chicken to get the right people riled.
 
2013-02-23 12:56:26 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.  Boehner says he got 98% of what he wanted, and the Republicans blame the remaining 2% for all of the world's problems.

For three decades, taxes have been far too low.  We need to get back to a reasonable tax structure and start paying our bills with actual income rather than with borrowed money.  That may hurt in the short term, but it's necessary.  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.
 
2013-02-23 01:14:53 PM  
Welcome to post-2012 election America, folks.

There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Partisanship reigns supreme.

/Still waiting for our second civil war to begin so we can just get the fark over it already
 
2013-02-23 01:16:22 PM  

cman: Welcome to post-2012 election America, folks.

There is nothing anyone can do about it.

Partisanship reigns supreme.

/Still waiting for our second civil war to begin so we can just get the fark over it already


A great man once said "Its a psychological condition when there is no great external threat that threatens to destroy society.Partisanship aint going away. It is human nature to be competitive. If you look at everything, you will realize that competition overrides everything in our life. There is nothing in human society that does not have a competitive background attached to it. "
 
2013-02-23 01:19:52 PM  

make me some tea: Bontesla: The My Little Pony Killer: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

And those who aren't have a very short attention span.

Exactly.

And those who are paying attention and are looking for change may be limited by gerrymandering.

It's all going to come down to who controls the message better. Right now Democrats have the polls backing them. I do understand that can and does change.


Exactly!!
 
2013-02-23 01:50:10 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


If that were the case, we would've elected Mitt Romney last year.
 
2013-02-23 02:16:48 PM  

King Something: The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


meh
the net-net result is that GOP voters will continue to vote GOP and the DEM voters will continue to vote DEM. The "surprise" for the GOP will be if the DEM voters turn out for the mid-term elections. Because when that happens ... LOLOLOL

Imagine DEMS turning out and taking back state houses? WHOOPS, now the DEMS can redistrict their state?? ROFL Imagine the uproar by the gops
 
2013-02-23 02:19:05 PM  

Snotnose: Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that


THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all
 
2013-02-23 02:35:36 PM  
GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.
 
2013-02-23 02:38:09 PM  

namatad: King Something: The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.

meh
the net-net result is that GOP voters will continue to vote GOP and the DEM voters will continue to vote DEM. The "surprise" for the GOP will be if the DEM voters turn out for the mid-term elections. Because when that happens ... LOLOLOL

Imagine DEMS turning out and taking back state houses? WHOOPS, now the DEMS can redistrict their state?? ROFL Imagine the uproar by the gops


You can only do it after a cencus, because the population will change.
 
2013-02-23 02:50:42 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: You can only do it after a cencus, because the population will change.


strangely enough, that is not true.
the number of districts wont change, but the bias can.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/State-by-state_redistricting_p ro cedures

http://www.publicmapping.org/what-is-redistricting
How Often Can a State Redistrict?

In 2003, the nation was captivated by a group of Democratic Texas state legislators who fled the state to prevent Republicans from gerrymandering the state's congressional districts. At stake was Democratic-favored redistricting plan adopted by a court for the 2002 congressional elections, adopted after the state legislature failed to enact a redistricting plan. Eventually, Democrats relented and returned to Texas and Republicans were able to put their map in place. Democrats later challenged the legality of drawing districts mid-decade, without a new census prompting the necessity of drawing new districts.

The Supreme Court ruled inLULAC v  Perry that there is no federal prohibition on mid-decade redistricting.


the more you know
 
2013-02-23 02:54:16 PM  

JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.


Now now that's a bit extreme. I'm sure many of them are capable of menial labor and can contribute to society in some small way. Of course they should never be allowed to vote or mingle with decent folk, though.
 
2013-02-23 03:00:05 PM  

FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.


For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.
 
2013-02-23 03:00:47 PM  

JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.


Let the hate flow through you.
 
2013-02-23 03:12:51 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget. This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


While that may be true, this talking point only underscores the general populace's ignorance with respect to the nature of federal appropriations and the ways our political leadership leverages this ignorance for their gain.

Most funding is locked in to specific programs and is not included in the sequester.  This is why, for example, the Navy postponed a CVN deployment; that is O&M (Operations and Maintenance) money, not SCN (Ship Construction, Navy) for example.

I could go much deeper on this, but I doubt that would matter really.
 
2013-02-23 03:18:34 PM  

Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.


There are things that have to be paid for.  Infrastructure, education, defense, and a hell of a lot more.  These things are necessary if we want to be a functioning society.  It's easy to say "spending is too high," but it's difficult to propose what should actually be cut.  Everyone wants to  cut "wasteful" spending, but what seems wasteful to one person is absolutely needed by another.

"Cut spending!" makes a good bumper sticker, but it is not a viable way to run a society.  If we want the benefits of civilization, we have to pay for them, and as long as population keeps growing, the costs are going to continue to increase.
 
2013-02-23 03:36:55 PM  

King Something: Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


Boner started preemptive blaming days ago. It's Obamaquestration now. It didn't get much traction, but that's the party line and they'll stick to it no matter what.
 
2013-02-23 03:39:54 PM  
About damn time!

Release the Biden!
 
2013-02-23 03:41:31 PM  
My suggestion still stands: the President should be seen supporting baseball, basketball, football, go to NASCAR events, and support animal shelters, apple pie and Mom and Pop stores, and watch as Congressional leaders and FOX News screech to denounce it all. It is simple obstructionism, at its heart. Show it for what it is.
 
2013-02-23 03:43:28 PM  

FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.


This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.
 
2013-02-23 03:56:26 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.
 
2013-02-23 03:58:02 PM  

namatad: Darth_Lukecash: You can only do it after a cencus, because the population will change.

strangely enough, that is not true.
the number of districts wont change, but the bias can.
http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/State-by-state_redistricting_p ro cedures

http://www.publicmapping.org/what-is-redistricting
How Often Can a State Redistrict?

In 2003, the nation was captivated by a group of Democratic Texas state legislators who fled the state to prevent Republicans from gerrymandering the state's congressional districts. At stake was Democratic-favored redistricting plan adopted by a court for the 2002 congressional elections, adopted after the state legislature failed to enact a redistricting plan. Eventually, Democrats relented and returned to Texas and Republicans were able to put their map in place. Democrats later challenged the legality of drawing districts mid-decade, without a new census prompting the necessity of drawing new districts.

The Supreme Court ruled inLULAC v  Perry that there is no federal prohibition on mid-decade redistricting.


the more you know


You have informed me! Thanks!
 
2013-02-23 04:13:28 PM  

Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.


My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).
 
2013-02-23 04:28:16 PM  

namatad: Snotnose: Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that

THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all



They're also cutting back the FAA, so air traffic controllers will be furloughed. Which means after your 1+ hour wait in the security line, you'll get the privilege of having 1.5+ hour delays as the pilots wait for clearance to take off.

CBP is also getting furloughed, so you're probably looking at 4+ hour waits to clear customs.

Think flying sucks now? Just wait, it's going to get worse. Much worse.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:22 PM  

quatchi: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.


static.prtst.net
 
2013-02-23 05:01:23 PM  
This shiat from Obama is so typical. "Well, sorry guys! This is gonna hurt me as much as it hurts you!"

It's almost as if he's a trickle-down guy who can say the right things to placate liberals. But hey, that's crazy talk, right?

I'm so glad I voted for Stein. I'm well aware I threw away my vote but I'm glad I didn't cede my conscience to this kind of crap.
 
2013-02-23 05:01:38 PM  
I see what the GOP is trying to do.  They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.  But I kind of like watching them lose their minds, and fark if I'm going to let them win this little bullshiat game of theirs.

So I say the 2016 Dem nominee should be a black, Satan-worshipping communist lesbian.  Just for the lulz.

Got any?
 
2013-02-23 05:02:56 PM  

lordjupiter: I see what the GOP is trying to do.  They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.  But I kind of like watching them lose their minds, and fark if I'm going to let them win this little bullshiat game of theirs.

So I say the 2016 Dem nominee should be a black, Satan-worshipping communist lesbian.  Just for the lulz.

Got any?


A communist would actually be better than the establishment which accepts all this Friedmanite bullshiat regardless of political party.
 
2013-02-23 05:06:57 PM  

namatad: THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all



Which is what happens when one party refuses to compromise.  Republicans want the Democrats to give in to their demands without giving anything in return.  Since Republicans can't behave like responsible adults, and instead are acting like religious zealots, we will be treated to painful automatic cuts.
 
2013-02-23 05:07:18 PM  

lordjupiter: They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.



Yes it is 100% about his race. There is no other explanation.
 
2013-02-23 05:07:41 PM  
Nice work. That only took 4 years to figure out. I'll wonder what he'll figure out 4 years from now.
 
2013-02-23 05:08:22 PM  

cman: lordjupiter: They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.


Yes it is 100% about his race. There is no other explanation.


Considering he's very well to the right and very much part of the establishment, I'd say yes, that explains it pretty well.
 
2013-02-23 05:08:23 PM  
Congress sucks

Obama outlasted Palin and the Pope

I want nachos
 
2013-02-23 05:10:20 PM  
Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?
 
2013-02-23 05:12:16 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?


People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:56 PM  

GAT_00: About time this dumbass figured this out.


THIS
 
2013-02-23 05:14:22 PM  

FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.  Boehner says he got 98% of what he wanted, and the Republicans blame the remaining 2% for all of the world's problems.

For three decades, taxes have been far too low.  We need to get back to a reasonable tax structure and start paying our bills with actual income rather than with borrowed money.  That may hurt in the short term, but it's necessary.  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.


They're not idiots, they're just paid for by rich people who are trying their damndest to make this a neofeudal society of bullshiat.  and they've just about won.
 
2013-02-23 05:16:42 PM  
I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:19 PM  
All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:03 PM  
No, the problem is that Obama, despite all attempts to the contrary and all efforts to get him to see reason, continues to be black and seems intent on remaining black for the remainder of his presidency. Can't anyone else see how unreasonable he's being about all this?
 
2013-02-23 05:20:30 PM  

JohnnyC: I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.


This. Oh so very much this.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:45 PM  
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And this is the way the two parties work together to bleed your public money to the rich, by playing "Good Cop/ Bad Cop."  Too-Hoo.

/derp
 
2013-02-23 05:23:31 PM  
Obama should have reached that conclusion about four years ago.

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


No, because GOP voters are too stupid to know what's good for them. They'll blame it on the socialists and keep on voting GOP. The only non-retards who still vote GOP are the few who benefit from their policies.

i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 05:23:43 PM  

cman: The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?

People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.


Except when protected by gerrymandered districts, our elected officials are there because more people voted for them than the other guy. It has little to do with selfishness. Either they support the programs their constituents support, or they'll be voted out.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:39 PM  
This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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2013-02-23 05:28:15 PM  
How big was the 2x4 that finally knocked this realization into him.

Love ya Barack but the GOP just isn't that into you.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:31 PM  

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
www.washingtonpost.com(hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:51 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


I categorically disagree. Remember: a lot of ignorant idiots don't vote. If this were true, gerrymandering wouldn't work because the Tea Party would be the absolute 60/40 majority.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:35 PM  
Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:59 PM  
Are there any polls on whom is being blamed by voters for these potential cuts? I tried TPM, but I didn't see a poll addressing this issue.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:28 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


We had a $3 billion surplus in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:19 PM  
Right now 25% of the electorate will follow the repubs wherever they go, whatever the outcome. Forty percent of the electorate will, within reason, follow the Democrats wherever they go whatever the outcome (I said "within reason;" if the Democrats start to act as crazy as the repubs, they will lose the moderate wing pronto). Five percent of the electorate are former repubs who have removed themselves from voting in national elections because they can't bring themselves to vote for the crazy party OR for the Democrats. That leaves 30% of the electorate up for grabs. Under ordinary circumstances they will split down the middle, 15% for each, which gives the Democrats the win. Even if the 5% disillusioned repubs come back into the fold (which they more or less did, reluctantly, in 2012), the Democrats still win. In order for the repubs to win a national election, they need their entire base of crazies, the disillusioned 5%, and two thirds of the independent vote. Furthermore, that undecided contingent specifcally excludes the blacks, who have been written off by the repubs as a bad bet and will never again vote for a repub candidate in our lifetimes.

But the repubs cannot bring in that 20% unless they moderate their stances on abortion, immigration and, to a lesser extent, gay rights. If they do that, they will lose a sizable percentage of the 25% crazy Teatard vote which currently constitutes their base. The repubs are beyond being between a rock and a hard place. They literally cannot win under any reasonable scenario (can you imagine what the Democrats' winning percentage would have been in the last election had their candidate been white?) and I think they're aware of the fact. Under the circumstances they can hope for a meltdown on the Democratic side, or they can come up with some scheme to steal the election, or they can hunker down, hang on to their local seats which are safe until the next census, and hope for a miracle.

So the question is, why would the repubs allow the sequester to take place and the answer is, why not? They have nothing to lose. They have nothing to gain either, but at this point they are not acting rationally. Eric Cantor's and Lindsay Graham's seats are safe no matter what. The repubs will allow the sequester to take place, stand in the way of any attempt to ameliorate the effects and stand by as the country suffers because they want the country to suffer. America rejected the repub Party. America must be punished for that presumption. Who cares what happens to the yokels back home who elected them? Whatever their suffering, they will blame Obama any way, so why not pull the country down around everyone's ears and see what kind of money you can make in the process? This is how far they've fallen.

The GOP: Party of Traitors.
 
2013-02-23 05:34:06 PM  

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.


Given Obama's cautious record over the past 4 years, that would be termed "unprofessional behavior."
 
2013-02-23 05:37:39 PM  

Xythero: Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.

That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
[www.washingtonpost.com image 515x409](hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.


Those weren't cuts. Those were reductions in growth of spending across 10 years.

It's like saying I promise to give you a years worth of TotalFark and then come back and say that I'll only give you a month of TotalFark and you saying I cheated you out of 11 months of TotalFark. Obama's first budget was around 3.5 trillion. Now it's 3.8 trillion. Work it out to yourself how 3.8 is less than 3.5 and then get back to me.

But the hacks at CBPP say it so it must be true.
 
2013-02-23 05:38:39 PM  

JerkStore: No, the problem is that Obama, despite all attempts to the contrary and all efforts to get him to see reason, continues to be black and seems intent on remaining black for the remainder of his presidency. Can't anyone else see how unreasonable he's being about all this?


Thank you for the best laugh of my day.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:05 PM  
WELCOME TO WHAT THE REST OF US COULD CLEARLY SEE IN 2009, MISTER PRESIDENT!
 
2013-02-23 05:40:08 PM  
imgix.8tracks.com
Burn it all down.   This nation is in desperate need of a mercy killing.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:22 PM  
You know, if people hate tax hikes, we could always make up revenue shortages by retroactively fining all those banks that lied about the quality of the mortgage bonds that they were selling. Hell, I was just watching the BBC World News, and the UK has funded some great programs (like ones to help wounded vets) with monies raised from fining the banks.
 
2013-02-23 05:41:00 PM  

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.
 
2013-02-23 05:42:13 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


I hope that if this does turn into a disaster, any republican in the US should not only forget running for election/re-election, but should grab a disaster bag and their Swiss Bank account checkbook, and GTFO uf the USA before we start bringing out the guillotines.

As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.


I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?
 
2013-02-23 05:45:39 PM  

Mrbogey: Xythero: Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.

That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
[www.washingtonpost.com image 515x409](hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.

Those weren't cuts. Those were reductions in growth of spending across 10 years.

It's like saying I promise to give you a years worth of TotalFark and then come back and say that I'll only give you a month of TotalFark and you saying I cheated you out of 11 months of TotalFark. Obama's first budget was around 3.5 trillion. Now it's 3.8 trillion. Work it out to yourself how 3.8 is less than 3.5 and then get back to me.

But the hacks at CBPP say it so it must be true.


Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:46:48 PM  

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


You don't need a gun if your side controls the drones.
 
2013-02-23 05:52:42 PM  
Deep cuts to education. Aging bridges left to crumble. Public housing slashed! Hundreds of thousands of old and disabled people kicked into the street.
media.tumblr.com
I LOVE IT! NYEH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
2013-02-23 05:52:47 PM  
who cares about the nation's problems and all that shiat the important thing is if my team is winning or not go team GOP fark you libs
 
2013-02-23 05:54:14 PM  

Snotnose: It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.


No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!
 
2013-02-23 05:55:08 PM  
cman: quatchi: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.


[itsaconspiracy]


Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

FOX, stories about Rush, Daily Caller, American Thinker, World Net Daily, stories being featured on Drudge, Washington Times, WSJ, Newsbusters, Town Hall, NRO, Twitchy, etc etc.

Compare that to what? HuffPo? MoJo? Kos? MSNBC?

Then look me in the eye and try to say liberal media predominates.

Go ahead. I need a good laugh.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:21 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.


I was going to leave your comment be when you posted the surplus from January earlier in the thread but I figured why start up an argument with the blissfully unaware. However, that's nothing to crow about. Monthly surpluses do happen on occasion. Some months have better receipts than other months due to the way payments fall. That doesn't mean we'll have a yearly surplus though.

If you want the analogy to fit it would be this. We took in $100 but spent $110. We then got a raise to $102 but we spent $111. So yea, we reduced our deficit but  we've not actually done anything to stop the deficit spiral. As long as the check cashing place keeps taking our checks though, we're totes fine. Sure we could reduce our deficit so when they stop cashing our checks or charge us more we won't be hurt badly but nah... let it roll baby!
 
2013-02-23 05:56:34 PM  

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


Again, we had a $3 billion surplus in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:36 PM  

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


LOL! Keep puffing up and acting all tough guy, Descent Boy.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:33 PM  

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


First off, viewing this austerity plan as payback for the Democrats getting their way on tax increases is beyond petty. Should we govern our nation based on playground rules? Do you realize what spending cuts would do to our economy right now? I suppose you can just blame it on the liberals when teachers are fired, roads deteriorate and North Korea decides to get all stabby because we can't "support the troops" like we used to.

Secondly, liberals are a youthful, healthy bunch. Most conservatives I know are 40+ and couldn't make it up two flights of stairs without panting and breaking out into a sweat. You assume, that because we eat sushi and read books that aren't crass political punditry, that we don't know how to fire a gun or have the know-how to survive your wet dream of an apocalypse. As a socialist commie muslim usurper who lives in farm country, I laugh at your assertions.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:47 PM  

quatchi: Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.


[looks]

Yea, you're delusional. Unless you think TPM, NYT, ThinkProgress, and NBC count as rightwing.

So oppressed...
 
2013-02-23 05:59:01 PM  

Mrbogey: Mike Chewbacca: Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.

I was going to leave your comment be when you posted the surplus from January earlier in the thread but I figured why start up an argument with the blissfully unaware. However, that's nothing to crow about. Monthly surpluses do happen on occasion. Some months have better receipts than other months due to the way payments fall. That doesn't mean we'll have a yearly surplus though.

If you want the analogy to fit it would be this. We took in $100 but spent $110. We then got a raise to $102 but we spent $111. So yea, we reduced our deficit but  we've not actually done anything to stop the deficit spiral. As long as the check cashing place keeps taking our checks though, we're totes fine. Sure we could reduce our deficit so when they stop cashing our checks or charge us more we won't be hurt badly but nah... let it roll baby!


Yeah, what a farking monster Obama is:

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-02-23 05:59:11 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


Unfortunately there is a huge percentage of people that will either forget, are so blinded by partisanship, or are easily fooled by propoganda that this won't have more than a couple points impact by the time midterms roll around.

On the other hand, a couple points is all it would take for a lot of those gerrymandered districts to change color.
 
2013-02-23 05:59:37 PM  

make me some tea: Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.

My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).


I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?
 
2013-02-23 05:59:42 PM  
cman is backsliding.
 
2013-02-23 05:59:52 PM  

OneManArmy: First off, viewing this austerity plan as payback for the Democrats getting their way on tax increases is beyond petty. Should we govern our nation based on playground rules?


In their minds, they showed us theirs so now we must show them ours.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:40 PM  
i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-23 06:02:35 PM  
Mister President, they're called "Teatards" for a reason. Welcome to 2009.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:54 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: cman is backsliding.


Que?
 
2013-02-23 06:04:45 PM  

homelessdude: neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.


Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.


img802.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-23 06:05:41 PM  

quatchi: cman


You are seeing what you want to see, what fills your preconceptions. You want to be a victim so you can justify whatever response that you make. We all do it, including me. It is human nature, and it is better to be aware of it, to own it.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:40 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Ayup.

m.static.newsvine.com
 
2013-02-23 06:08:42 PM  

fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

[m.static.newsvine.com image 600x355]


See my directly above comment from yours. This is exactly what I mean.

Truth be damned I want my expectations filled
 
2013-02-23 06:11:17 PM  

violentsalvation: JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.

Let the hate flow through you.


Putting out rat poison doesn't mean you hate the rats. Killing off the little bastards is a matter of public health. Same thing here.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:07 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

[looks]

Yea, you're delusional. Unless you think TPM, NYT, ThinkProgress, and NBC count as rightwing.

So oppressed...


Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.

Most media is corporate first and foremost.

Actual journalists value impartiality.

There is no liberal equivalent of FOX on American TV.

Just as there is no liberal equivalent of Rush on radio.

On the whole RW media predominates in the US and has for quite some time.

But most RWers tend to stick with thinking they are the oppressed minority on that front.

Nice projection there, btw.

Never saw that coming.

*eyeroll*
 
2013-02-23 06:15:42 PM  
Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:10 PM  

clambam: The GOP: Party of Traitors.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 06:16:11 PM  

tEh_PenGuin: I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?


I honestly don't know. I began to move to the center in my late teens, when I started to tire of my dad's tirades about Bill Clinton and black helicopters. I moved quite a bit to the left after 9/11/2001, though.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:32 PM  

fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.


This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:48 PM  

quatchi: Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.


What's funny is the labeling works the other way better. Whatever media isn't framing a story precisely the way that serves liberal, progressive, left-wing interents gets labeled as conservative.  The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points. So is TPM. So is WashPo. You decline to accept this because you see the framed narrative as the baseline unbiased narrative.

That you can't conceptualize arguments to factor in the biases of the reporting entity is a failure of yours. Not mine.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:02 PM  

SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.


40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

www.people-press.org
 
2013-02-23 06:23:50 PM  

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.


I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.
 
2013-02-23 06:26:14 PM  
Why are Republicans against sequestration all the sudden? I thought we had a spending problem, not a revenue problem? They don't want 98% of what they got?

Strange species, these Republicans...
 
2013-02-23 06:26:31 PM  
FTFA: "...Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

I suppose Gov. O'Malley can't just say "the right-wingers will do everything they can think of, right or wrong, inclusive of destroying the nation, to discredit their opponents."
 
2013-02-23 06:30:27 PM  
The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:53 PM  

nmemkha: The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.


I have always wondered about that and its implications.

In pro-wrestling, the crowd is a part of the show. The crowd can do as they are told (Cheer Hulk Hogan) or they can rebel (boo John Cena). And the crowd for their part loves this roll.

The crowd knows that it is a show and they are proud of being involved in the process.

I think GOP act the way they do is because they like being the bad guys. I think that the Democrats act the way they do is because they want to be the hero's fighting the honorable fight to the death. We are playing parts. It is a game and we are damn proud of playing it.
 
2013-02-23 06:41:02 PM  

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman is backsliding.

Que?


For a while there, you seemed to be on the cusp of shedding your conservative blinders.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:12 PM  

make me some tea: SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.

40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

[www.people-press.org image 299x287]


I would imagine that that same 51% would not lay the blame exclusively on the Republicans in Congress (though 11% would give them at least part of the blame, so they have that going for them, which is nice; still smarter than the 31% who are teabaggers and 8% who have been living under a rock for the past 5 years)
 
2013-02-23 06:44:45 PM  
I vote we let the swamp return and let Congress realize how shiatty DC is when money isn't used to to keep things from going bad. Just a thought.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:40 PM  
I'm starting to think maybe the teabaggers have the right idea (but the wrong targets). Maybe torches and pitchforks are the only way we'll ever get anything fixed.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:03 PM  

make me some tea: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.

I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.


yep, had to do that just the other day.
 
2013-02-23 06:59:46 PM  

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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Did you just... have a stroke in Javascript?!
 
2013-02-23 07:01:02 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


If a majority of the military typically votes Republican, and this is a Republican budget, then they will pay dearly, as it disproportionally affects us in the military.
 
2013-02-23 07:01:11 PM  

FloydA: Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.

There are things that have to be paid for.  Infrastructure, education, defense, and a hell of a lot more.  These things are necessary if we want to be a functioning society.  It's easy to say "spending is too high," but it's difficult to propose what should actually be cut.  Everyone wants to  cut "wasteful" spending, but what seems wasteful to one person is absolutely needed by another.

"Cut spending!" makes a good bumper sticker, but it is not a viable way to run a society.  If we want the benefits of civilization, we have to pay for them, and as long as population keeps growing, the costs are going to continue to increase.


THANK YOU.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:37 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.

What's funny is the labeling works the other way better. Whatever media isn't framing a story precisely the way that serves liberal, progressive, left-wing interents gets labeled as conservative.  The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points. So is TPM. So is WashPo. You decline to accept this because you see the framed narrative as the baseline unbiased narrative.

That you can't conceptualize arguments to factor in the biases of the reporting entity is a failure of yours. Not mine.


So your argument is, in essence, "I'm rubber, you're glue" and then claiming that anyone else claiming to be rubber is in fact mistaken, because you said so.

Coming from a gopshill, I'm not surprised.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:48 PM  

FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.


FTFY
 
2013-02-23 07:09:05 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Doesn't matter.  It's still Obama's fault.
 
2013-02-23 07:13:15 PM  

lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY


That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:50 PM  

make me some tea: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.

I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.


I'm constantly astounded and dismayed by the number of Americans who don't understand basic civics concepts:

The difference between deficit and debt
What's actually contained in the constitution and bill of rights
What the three branches of government are

Yet you have a significant number who believe in

UFOs
Ghosts
Angels
Leprechauns
Witches
The sun revolves around the Earth

And they still get to vote.
 
2013-02-23 07:16:07 PM  

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


I think you mean a rational self interested person. I don't think the GOP is rational.
 
2013-02-23 07:16:28 PM  
Hey, I'm impressed he made it this far.  I gave up on the GOP in the spring of 2011.  Genius I am, I figured that maybe the Teabaggers would force the GOP to at the very least lay off the panty-sniffing.  How wrong I was!
 
2013-02-23 07:16:49 PM  

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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According to Google Search, the computer from which you are posting is probably infected with a virus.

Goodluck.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:51 PM  

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


I think it was Yves Smith who runs Naked Capitalism that said when she worked at Goldman even in the early 90's the unspoken rule was "Shear, not slaughter," so I totally agree with you. There's something more than just simple greed at hand.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:57 PM  

Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points


No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.
 
2013-02-23 07:24:10 PM  
There's some talk that the House may decide to lighten the load of the sequester somewhat by allowing department heads the ability to direct the nature of the cuts rather than force an across the board cut regardless of program.  If that's the case, I hope they start cutting a bunch of unnecessary bullshiat (extra F35 engines and excess M1 tank production spring to mind).
 
2013-02-23 07:24:24 PM  
I cannot decide- is the GOP circa 2013 turdburglars or seeking to create
an religious utopia circa mid nineteenth century (Oneidans, Mormons, etc)?

also are there other options?
 
2013-02-23 07:25:02 PM  

quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.


He won't be deterred with logic; he gets his ass reamed by twelve different Farkers every time he types and keeps on herpin.'
 
2013-02-23 07:32:53 PM  

quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.


Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: He won't be deterred with logic; he gets his ass reamed by twelve different Farkers every time he types and keeps on herpin.'


You did a good job running off with your tail between your legs when I challenged you in the other thread. You and a dozen other people herpaderping factless assertions at me doesn't count as an ass reaming. But you continue to believe your sarcasm is as good as my evidence and citations.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:36 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.

Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."


Huh, look at that.  You fell for the same trap he did.  If it's not absolutely constructionist, it's not conservative and hence liberal.

Sad.
 
2013-02-23 07:53:17 PM  
"Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot work with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win." -- Barack Singletary on Vernon Davis (R-CA)
 
2013-02-23 07:59:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


I like reading real Republican tears as they realize they will be affected. Link
 
2013-02-23 07:59:39 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Thus Obama won a majority of voters.

Poor President Obama.  Those mean Republicans - not doing exactly what Obama wants.

What's wrong with them?  Why don't they just forget their principles and do whatever he wants?

Stoopid jerks!
 
2013-02-23 08:00:12 PM  

namatad: Snotnose: Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that

THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all


Nobody will miss the TSA.
 
2013-02-23 08:02:07 PM  
The people have spoken!
 
2013-02-23 08:04:13 PM  

Truther: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Thus Obama won a majority of voters.

Poor President Obama.  Those mean Republicans - not doing exactly what Obama wants.

What's wrong with them?  Why don't they just forget their principles and do whatever he wants?

Stoopid jerks!


You know exactly what Obama wants was exactly what the GOP wanted roughly a decade ago, right?
 
2013-02-23 08:05:10 PM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The ringleaders are either retiring, in safe districts, or have to be this derpy to keep their seat.  Any way, these guys will either not be harmed by derping it up, or actually be helped by it.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:15 PM  
Boy y'all have really been guzzling the kool-aid. It was the Obama administration that gave us the sequestration. Even Bob Woodward, famous investigative journalist says, "The Sequester was Obama's idea."

Now Obama gets back from his tough golf weekend with Tiger and claims sequestration is the end of the world. Funny, Obama never mentioned...it was his idea. He never mentioned that the specific Obama lackey who created the idea was Jack Lew--who Obama has just nominated to become Treasury Secretary.

That's right- sequestration is such a bad idea, causing such an economic crisis, that Obama is rewarding the guy who thought it up by putting him in charge of the entire U.S. economy. Where are the screaming headlines in the mainstream media pointing out that Obama is the world's biggest hypocrite?

To make this Saturday Night Live skit even funnier, Obama the man of the working people, the man of the middle class, first picked a tax cheat, Tim Geithner, as his first term Treasury Secretary. Then for his second term, he picked Jack Lew- who invests his money in a Cayman Islands fund housed in the building that Obama has called "the greatest tax scam in the world."

With guys like that in charge of the economy and our tax system, it sure sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me.

Obama also claimed that the sequestration cuts will cause job losses among policeman, firemen and teachers. Why isn't the media pointing out that policemen, firemen and teachers are hired on the local and state level. Oops, Obama is caught in another fabrication.

And by the way...aren't there other government employees besides policemen, firemen, and teachers? Shouldn't the media point out to only bring up those three classes of employees is complete deception- like a conman selling his con?

Did you know the average government janitor is paid $600,000 more over his lifetime than a janitor working in the private sector?

Why doesn't Obama mention janitors when we talk about cutting government spending? Because the image of a government janitor or meat inspector would not bring tears to voters' eyes. It wouldn't sell his Ponzi scheme. The media says nothing.

Why doesn't the media point out that Obama spent us into bankruptcy by adding almost $6 trillion to the national debt in only four years. If anyone loses their jobs, it's not because of the miniscule $85 billion sequestration. That's a spit in the ocean. It's because of the $6 trillion of reckless spending over the past 4 years. Obama is the one to blame for people losing their jobs. Why doesn't the media point that out? Their silence makes them accomplices in the Ponzi scheme.

Why aren't they pointing out that the economy is in shambles, gas prices have risen 32 days in a row, WalMart executives are calling sales to start the year "a total disaster"...that's a quote... while President Obama, a Democrat who supposedly cares about poor people and working-class people...golfs with Tiger Woods in Florida, works on his golf swing with Butch Harmon, and parties at billion dollar resorts on Valentines weekend...with the world's most notorious womanizer...with the press denied access...with his wife on a separate vacation in Aspen. Do you think the media would be silent about all this if the Presidential couple partying in Florida and Aspen were Ronald and Nancy Reagan?

The reality is we have an economic crisis, bordering on a total collapse, because of specific Obama policies. He spends too much. He taxes too much. He wastes our money on green energy. It isn't working. The chickens are coming home to roost. The first quarter is "a total disaster" because Obama raised income taxes on the rich and payroll taxes on the middle class. When you tax people they have less money to spend.

At the same time, everyone is getting hit with rocketing gas prices, while Obama wastes your money on solar energy scams...on wind energy scams...on electric cars that no one wants to buy... on fraudulent biofuel standards that are impossible to obtain. Obama declares millions of acres of oil-rich lands off-limits to drilling. His EPA policies drive coal out of business. And we wonder why gas and energy prices are skyrocketing?

The economy is in meltdown because of Obama's policies. In response, he spends his weekends consulting with Tiger Woods and Butch Harmon. Yet the media says nothing. Just another day in Obamageddon.

The sequestration isn't the threat folks. The greatest threat to the future of America is Obama. --Wayne Allyn Root
 
2013-02-23 08:10:15 PM  
Now is as good a time as any to make the leap from Republic to Empire
 
2013-02-23 08:15:16 PM  
tony41454: DEEEERP

How am I supposed to take you seriously when you called the President "The House Negro in chief"
 
2013-02-23 08:17:12 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


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2013-02-23 08:19:42 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.

Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."


Let's ask the NYT publisher.

From your link: TIMES publisher Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. doesn't think this walk through The Times is a tour of liberalism. He prefers to call the paper's viewpoint ''urban.'' He says that the tumultuous, polyglot metropolitan environment The Times occupies means ''We're less easily shocked,'' and that the paper reflects ''a value system that recognizes the power of flexibility.''

My take is that the NYT is arguably more liberal than conservative but that comes from being a newspaper in a very urban environment with all the sensibilities that entails and that the NYT at least brings objectivity and balance into the mix. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of talking points. The fact that the NYT has been held up as a bogeyman for decades by RW media types is largely responsible for the fact that the RW complaints about the NYT's reporting are always louder than the LW complaints about the same.

Here's one of a number of instances where FOX news literally read GOP talking points, note for note, word for word (including a typo) and tried to pass it off as their own work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/fox-passed-of-gop-talking_n _1 65720.html

Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.
 
2013-02-23 08:22:10 PM  

Snotnose: This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


You're confused.
 
2013-02-23 08:23:03 PM  
Obama on GOP: "I give up"

Yup, so do the rest of us.

So get Machiavellian and do whatever you have to (that doesn't further expand Executive reach) to put these shiat-kickers in their place and let's get moving on this whole "civilization" thing.

I get that the people pulling the GOP strings aren't completely stupid, but many of their puppets are.

You can't tell me in all the precedents set throughout history, all the subtle rules and bylaws of Congress... you can't find a way to pull a fast on on the GOP and troll the shiat out of them into passing a bill that might help some people.

I'd like to see the future we all know we are capable of sometime in my lifetime,

not a visit to 1938 in the way-back machine just so some inheritance trust-fund monkies that's gambled against the working class (and rigged the game to win) can suck up the rest of the economy for themselves and play Gods of the World.
 
2013-02-23 08:23:31 PM  

Snotnose: This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.


Snotnose: It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either


That's some fine derp, there.
 
2013-02-23 08:36:36 PM  

TV's Vinnie: No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!


In 1983 the guv brought in 600.6 Bln and spent 808.4 Bln.  In 2013 revenues were estimated at 2.9 trillion and spending 3.8 trillion.  How do you figure anyone is trying to run government on a 1983 level of revenue?

source:   http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200
 
2013-02-23 08:40:55 PM  

quatchi: Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.


Oh look, another insider saying it's biased. Ehhh...feel free to move the goalposts
 
2013-02-23 08:49:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

If that were the case, we would've elected Mitt Romney last year.


No, but we did elect Republicans to a 33 seat advantage in the House.  Also, democrats typically perform poorly in non-presidential elections.
 
2013-02-23 09:00:20 PM  

tony41454: Boy y'all have really been guzzling the kool-aid. It was the Obama administration that gave us the sequestration. Even Bob Woodward, famous investigative journalist says, "The Sequester was Obama's idea."

Now Obama gets back from his tough golf weekend with Tiger and claims.......
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]
[snip]

.............the future of America is Obama. --Wayne Allyn Root.


Thanks for the TownHall derp. You could have just linked it ya know. (townhall.com/columnists/wayneroot)

When you or Wayne Allyn Root media.townhall.com actually can muster an original thought that can be discussed, give us a shout.
 
2013-02-23 09:04:45 PM  

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy, sore losers, and racists.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


FTFM
 
2013-02-23 09:20:04 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.

Oh look, another insider saying it's biased. Ehhh...feel free to move the goalposts


Brisbane says The Times treats the Occupy Wall Street movement and gay marriage "more like causes than news subjects,"

Hahahaha, does she even read the same paper she wrote for?  The NYT pretty much blew off OWS until it got too big for them to ignore it.  Same thing with the anti-Iraq war protests they ignored while playing cheerleader for the run up to the invasion.  Also the NY Times is a gay marriage advocate?   LOLWUT?
 
2013-02-23 09:25:35 PM  
Well, we're boned.
 
2013-02-23 09:38:07 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Well, we're boned.


You say that as if you thought Republicans were actually going to work with Democrats to address problems in a rational, reasonable, and honest way. If so, what on Earth ever gave you that idea?
 
2013-02-23 09:46:01 PM  
@ tenpoundsofcheese
"just liked they punished them for not getting in line with 0bamacare during the 2010 midterm election."

I know I'm late to the party [sorry, had a few at home already] but STFU 10LBoC.

@tony41454
"Boy y'all have really been guzzling the kool-aid. It was the Obama administration that gave us the sequestration. Even Bob Woodward, famous investigative journalist says, "The Sequester was Obama's idea."
"Did you know the average government janitor is paid $600,000 more over his lifetime than a janitor working in the private sector? "
"Why doesn't Obama mention janitors when we talk about cutting government spending? Because the image of a government janitor or meat inspector would not bring tears to voters' eyes. It wouldn't sell his Ponzi scheme. The media says nothing."
"gas prices have risen 32 days in a row, WalMart executives are calling sales to start the year "a total disaster"...that's a quote..."
"Obama wastes your money on solar energy scams...on wind energy scams...on electric cars that no one wants to buy... on fraudulent biofuel standards that are impossible to obtain. Obama declares millions of acres of oil-rich lands off-limits to drilling. His EPA policies drive coal out of business. And we wonder why gas and energy prices are skyrocketing?"


That is one EPIC, overly-caffeinated troll. Tin-foil [and tri-corner] hats off to you, sir!  WOW!!
 
2013-02-23 09:57:23 PM  
King Something: most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP

not my coworkers, man.
 
2013-02-23 10:04:55 PM  
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wait wait wait
I am confused. That period between the last two recessions, Nov 2001 to Dec 2007, WHO was president again? Bush? He was a republican right?
And spending increased HOW MUCH???? WTF

oh right, it was all clinton's fault
/brb got to go cock-punch some republicans
 
2013-02-23 10:16:02 PM  
FTA: Barring a deal, the automatic across-the-board cuts in spending will begin on March 1.

Let's start with Congress.
 
2013-02-23 10:22:27 PM  

Jormungandr: FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.

I think you mean a rational self interested person. I don't think the GOP is rational.


Point taken.
 
2013-02-23 10:29:52 PM  

ultraholland: King Something: most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP

not my coworkers, man.


Just look forward to them biatching about

-the great healthcare options they have available to them,
-their kids finally coming home from war
-their gay relative they love (he/she's different from the 'others' so it's ok) being able live a normal life and enjoy their constitutionally mandated equal protection under the law
-and that medicare/soc security those evil libs fought to make sure are still there for them when the market pulls the carpet out from under their retirement accounts (which it will, again, it's only a matter of time)

If any of them are female, you can enjoy listening to them biatch about how great it was not to get a wand forced into their vagina for arbitrary reasons.
 
2013-02-23 10:30:48 PM  

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?
 
2013-02-23 10:38:49 PM  

2wolves: Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?


Bob Woodward says Obama is lying

Who you going to believe? Lying facts or Obama?
 
2013-02-23 10:39:55 PM  

Mrbogey: quatchi: Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.

Oh look, another insider saying it's biased. Ehhh...feel free to move the goalposts


So, you still have no example?

Feel free to keep ignoring the goalposts.

My main point here is that RWers continually biatch and moan about liberal media bias in the US when in fact RW media is more powerful and better funded than actual liberal media.

This perpetual martyr act is well past it's best before date and repeating a lie endlessly does not make anything less than a lie.
 
2013-02-23 10:40:47 PM  

Mrbogey: 2wolves: Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?

Bob Woodward says Obama is lying

Who you going to believe? Lying facts or Obama?


LOL
 
2013-02-23 10:49:48 PM  
No easy off ramp this time. Bwahahahaha,
 
2013-02-23 10:57:47 PM  

Mrbogey: 2wolves: Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?

Bob Woodward says Obama is lying

Who you going to believe? Lying facts or Obama?


Your blog sounds concerned.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:34 PM  

cman: lordjupiter: They're trying to train all of us to never, ever vote for a n-*BONG*-r again.


Yes it is 100% about his race. There is no other explanation.


I agree and I often compare pres Obama to the Sheriff in Blazing Saddles.

I'm thinking that this one is going to hang on the GOP's neck this time. I have a buddy who works for the government and is looking at losing hours at work over this. He's a die hard conservative republican who hates liberals (except me apparently, must be the big tits) and not once did he lay blame which tells me he feels it's the GOP's fault. That means more to me than the karmic smack he's getting after argueing with me about how government spending needs to be cut and there are too many government employees who get paid too much. This from a guy who is a public employee along with his wife.
 
2013-02-23 11:16:31 PM  

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.


Agreed.
 
2013-02-23 11:44:36 PM  

make me some tea: Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.

My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).


Have you nailed them where it hurts on Obamacare?  That it was (initially) a Republican/Conservative idea?
 
2013-02-24 12:05:25 AM  

Mrbogey: 2wolves: Do you ever tire of being a lying troll?

Bob Woodward says Obama is lying

Who you going to believe? Lying facts or Obama?


Given the number of rim jobs Mr Woodward gave to the previous administration I'll say he's lying.

Now that your attempt at changing the subject is done let's get back on topic.
 
2013-02-24 12:48:51 AM  

Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.


Why.

Why was spending totally not an issue for 10 years running up war debt, but now you suddenly want to assault social programs that people depend on to live.
 
2013-02-24 01:07:19 AM  
I've been biatching about the government spending more than it takes in for 40 years.   Where does the suddenly part come in?

I honestly don't care about social/war/defense/welfare/SSI/medicare/research BS. I care about the spending %x more than the $x you bring in each year that isn't appropriated to infrastructure.  Is a fish farm in Alaska really part of the country's infrastructure?

Asshats, you have $x to spend.  $x should be your limit.  Make priorities.  Any priorities.  Take a stand, defend them, live and die by them.  But don't keep spending money you don't have.
 
2013-02-24 01:11:47 AM  

Snotnose: Asshats, you have $x to spend. $x should be your limit. Make priorities. Any priorities. Take a stand, defend them, live and die by them. But don't keep spending money you don't have.


Exactly. Balancing our books is more important than creating jobs. (Notice how Republicans have abandoned "jobs, jobs, jobs" in favor of "debt, debt, debt".)
 
2013-02-24 01:16:21 AM  
Well GOP you have made your bed prepare to sleep in it.

Also no stealing the towels from the congressional bathrooms.
 
2013-02-24 01:21:25 AM  

Snotnose: I've been biatching about the government spending more than it takes in for 40 years.   Where does the suddenly part come in?

I honestly don't care about social/war/defense/welfare/SSI/medicare/research BS. I care about the spending %x more than the $x you bring in each year that isn't appropriated to infrastructure.  Is a fish farm in Alaska really part of the country's infrastructure?

Asshats, you have $x to spend.  $x should be your limit.  Make priorities.  Any priorities.  Take a stand, defend them, live and die by them.  But don't keep spending money you don't have.


What if I told you governments don't work like households or businesses.

This rush to cut spending really looks like baby boomer derp to me. 40 years of gimme gimme and now that they're all hitting retirement, its holy sh*t lets cut everything that everyone else depends on.

Go to hell with that, honestly. People are going to be hurt by this tantrum Republicans are throwing.
 
2013-02-24 01:36:58 AM  
1. My Father is a PANDA

2. I am also varied in my stuff. my personal stuff.

3. leave it alone

/GOP/GOP/GOP!
 
2013-02-24 01:52:21 AM  

Snotnose: TV's Vinnie: No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!

In 1983 the guv brought in 600.6 Bln and spent 808.4 Bln.  In 2013 revenues were estimated at 2.9 trillion and spending 3.8 trillion.  How do you figure anyone is trying to run government on a 1983 level of revenue?

source:   http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200



First of all, are you seriously attempting to compare 1983 dollar amounts to 2013 dollar amounts, without factoring in inflation? Seriously?

Second, are you seriously trying to compare estimated revenues and spending figures for 2013 that don't take into account either the sequestration or the recent revenue increases? Seriously?

Is this how you were raised?
 
2013-02-24 03:31:04 AM  

JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.


You're not helping...
 
2013-02-24 05:23:26 AM  
Sen. Rand Paul,R-Ky., didn't hold back on criticism of  President Obama's  sequestration scare tactics in a Friday appearance on Fox News' "Happening Now."

When asked by host Jenna Lee what his message would be to viewers, Paul let loose.

"I would say balderdash. It's untrue, unfair, dishonest, disingenuous," he said. "The president is making stuff up."

Paul noted that while local taxes foot most of the bill for police and firefighters, Obama says they will be affected by the sequester.

"It's not true. The sequester is a slowdown in the rate of growth of government," Paul explained. "It's the least we can do."


Obama: the boy would cried wolf.
 
2013-02-24 05:30:32 AM  
 
2013-02-24 05:57:58 AM  

General Zang: Snotnose: TV's Vinnie: No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!

In 1983 the guv brought in 600.6 Bln and spent 808.4 Bln.  In 2013 revenues were estimated at 2.9 trillion and spending 3.8 trillion.  How do you figure anyone is trying to run government on a 1983 level of revenue?

source:   http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=200


First of all, are you seriously attempting to compare 1983 dollar amounts to 2013 dollar amounts, without factoring in inflation? Seriously?

Second, are you seriously trying to compare estimated revenues and spending figures for 2013 that don't take into account either the sequestration or the recent revenue increases? Seriously?

Is this how you were raised?


actually interesting comparison..in 1983 the govt spent 1.8 trillion in 2013 dollars.  We're spending twice as much today.  Awesome GOP talking point.  Course then you compare federal budget vs GDP and learn that its almost exactly the same....But the GOP wont mention that....Or tax rate comparisons that make sense, or changes in our environment, or social spending....or...well the list goes on.  No they will stop several steps back.  Where it looks like the argument favors them.  Thus...800 million, and today we spend 2.8 trillion.
 
2013-02-24 05:58:55 AM  
dangit...3.8 trillion, not 2.8
 
2013-02-24 06:09:07 AM  
Sequestration was never an option as far as Obama was concerned, this is all the House's baby. That was why he said during the campaign that sequestration was not going to happen, despite it being a provision in a bill he signed. It is not an option. It is stupidity. But you know what? The Republicans have got to learn to not taunt the dynamite monkey. It bit them when Clinton was in office and it will bite them this time as well. They gave it the dynamite and have been pelting it with their own feces. But the dynamite monkey doesn;t have feces to throw back, just this stick of dynamite. And now it's a game of hot potato, and I think that Congress is going to find that nobody else is playing that game. The question is will they stop saying the potato is hot and let it burn them or will they run around trying to convince everyone else to join them in it? When someone comes up to me with this disgusted look on their face holding up leftovers I am going to disvow any knowledge of the leftovers as well as any interest in taking a whiff.

So yeah, they need to just shut up, swallow their leftover hot potato dynamite and get rid of the damned chip on their shoulders. Politics is about the art of the possible, the crafting of compromise that lets government do its job, not holding the country hostage to get your way in everything. You know what we call organizations who take hostages for political purposes?
 
2013-02-24 07:21:15 AM  

Truther: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Thus Obama won a majority of voters.

Poor President Obama.  Those mean Republicans - not doing exactly what Obama wants.

What's wrong with them?  Why don't they just forget their principles and do whatever he wants?

Stoopid jerks!


What principles would you be talking about? The turn on a dime we're against spending principle that only happened after Obama was elected or was
it the oppose Obama no matter what principle - the if he's for it we're against it thing. Or maybe it's the he's a socialist communist nazi dictator principle because
he's black thing. I believe it's the last one they cannot reconcile their racial hatred against that which is best for the country.
 
2013-02-24 07:35:08 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman is backsliding.

Que?

For a while there, you seemed to be on the cusp of shedding your conservative blinders.


I have cman favourited as 'Sane Libertarian' - I thought we'd be seeing a Weaver95-esque conversion from Republican to conservative-leaning democrat.

Still, plenty of time for that to happen in the future.
 
2013-02-24 10:04:12 AM  

King Something: Added Martin O'Malley, the governor of Maryland: "I think he's long-term optimistic. Short-term, he believes Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

The GOP sees it as a win because they are about to make something happen that Obama does not want to happen.

What they don't seem to realize is that most of America (and most of the rest of the world) sees what the GOP is doing, knows why they're doing it and will put 100% of the blame on the GOP for anything and everything bad that happens as a result of their failure to even try to make a deal.


What exactly did the GOP do, you mega-geniuses?

The reason the sequester has more spending cuts in the Defense budget is because OBAMA proposed it to avoid cuts that would affect social programs.

Now Obama is lying and going back on his word. He previously said he would not allow these spending cuts to be reversed without a deal to make other cuts. Now he thinks he has the political clout to raise taxes without cuts. So he's going back on his word and statements that were made in 2011.

These cuts amount to a win for Obama, because its only 2% and mostly in areas outside of entitlements.

But Obama, being the lying political douchebag that he is, can't waste an opportunity to use the cuts as an opportunity to blame Repubs for something OBAMA proposed 2 years ago.

History will not be kind to this man and his team of prevaricators. And we should be cutting 10% instead of 2%. To do that, we would need bonafide leadership instead the Democrats 'stinky finger in the wind' version.
 
2013-02-24 10:26:30 AM  

tony41454: The sequester was originated in the White House (from the Washington Post):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bob-woodward-obamas-sequester -d eal-changer/2013/02/22/c0b65b5e-7ce1-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_print.html


Hey look, it's the racist farker who went on that racist rant about hanging Obama in from of his daughters on the whitehouse lawn.

anyone got that screenshot?

any thoughts on that you cowardly piece of shait? Or will you just continue to pretend your problem with this president is rooted in policy?

/go on, speak up, don't hide your true self any longer.
 
2013-02-24 10:32:24 AM  

Animatronik: But Obama, being the lying political douchebag that he is, can't waste an opportunity to use the cuts as an opportunity to blame Repubs for something OBAMA proposed 2 years ago.


Lying?  Probably.  Douche?  Depends on perspective.

Here's my problem.  The idea of sequester was first used in Gramm Rudman in 1985.  A VERY conservative piece of legislation.  The current executive found himself in a corner, and proposed a trick from the republican play book.

It was conservative legislation then, it's conservative legislation now.  The difference?  This time a Democrat proposed it and out conservatived the "conservatives".  Throw in a little spin and the Republicans don't have any out.  They flat out lost the argument.

As a conservative first, I have to applaud the man for pushing through conservative legislation.  The fact that he has a D next to his name is, as it should be, immaterial.  How could you possibly see any different unless you're just a partisan hack with no intention of improving the country?
 
2013-02-24 11:49:18 AM  

rohar: Animatronik: But Obama, being the lying political douchebag that he is, can't waste an opportunity to use the cuts as an opportunity to blame Repubs for something OBAMA proposed 2 years ago.

Lying?  Probably.  Douche?  Depends on perspective.

Here's my problem.  The idea of sequester was first used in Gramm Rudman in 1985.  A VERY conservative piece of legislation.  The current executive found himself in a corner, and proposed a trick from the republican play book.

It was conservative legislation then, it's conservative legislation now.  The difference?  This time a Democrat proposed it and out conservatived the "conservatives".  Throw in a little spin and the Republicans don't have any out.  They flat out lost the argument.

As a conservative first, I have to applaud the man for pushing through conservative legislation.  The fact that he has a D next to his name is, as it should be, immaterial.  How could you possibly see any different unless you're just a partisan hack with no intention of improving the country?


The point is that Obama proposed these cuts to get a deal with Republicans, which he has conveniently forgotten because he thinks that he can have a spending party now that he's been reelected. The net impact of these cuts will not be huge.

If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it. IF a D proposes no spending cuts, I think voters need to be made aware of what the consequences will be. Using Republicans and Bush and whatever else as an argument for no cuts, during the biggest spending administration in U.S. history, isn't going to work. As long as Democrats oppose real spending cuts a substantial group of people will work to get them out of office.
 
2013-02-24 11:54:13 AM  

Animatronik: If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it.


Bullshait.
 
2013-02-24 12:15:26 PM  

namatad: Imagine DEMS turning out and taking back state houses? WHOOPS, now the DEMS can redistrict their state??


In 2010, that was just the fortune of good timing for the GOP.  They took state houses at the same time that the census was complete, which is when best gerrymander takes place.  That won't happen again until 2020.
 
2013-02-24 12:43:59 PM  
GOP ideology has been circling the dustbin of history for years now, they show no remorse for or acknowledgement of the terrible path they put this nation on last decade. They must be stopped and removed from power by any means necessary lest they drag the country down the toilet with their lies, failed ideas, and other delusions.
 
2013-02-24 12:48:55 PM  

unyon: namatad: Imagine DEMS turning out and taking back state houses? WHOOPS, now the DEMS can redistrict their state??

In 2010, that was just the fortune of good timing for the GOP.  They took state houses at the same time that the census was complete, which is when best gerrymander takes place.  That won't happen again until 2020.


Obama should just start treating the GOP majority in the House for what it is, illegitimate. Dem candidates for the House got half a million more votes around the country than the GOP, and yet the GOP has a majority by several dozen seats. The more Obama brings this up when discussing the situation with the House, the better.
 
2013-02-24 12:52:16 PM  

Animatronik: If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it. IF a D proposes no spending cuts, I think voters need to be made aware of what the consequences will be. Using Republicans and Bush and whatever else as an argument for no cuts, during the biggest spending administration in U.S. history, isn't going to work. As long as Democrats oppose real spending cuts a substantial group of people will work to get them out of office.


Reality below, folks, typical right-wing delusion above.

cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2013-02-24 12:54:38 PM  

Animatronik: If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it. IF a D proposes no spending cuts, I think voters need to be made aware of what the consequences will be. Using Republicans and Bush and whatever else as an argument for no cuts, during the biggest spending administration in U.S. history, isn't going to work. As long as Democrats oppose real spending cuts a substantial group of people will work to get them out of office.


As the republicans seem to repeat over and over again, we haven't passed a new budget in 3 years so the budget is locked to absolute dollars.  Meanwhile the population expands and inflation continues.  By this fact alone, the Democrats are responsible for a 7% real reduction in government spending.  You throw the sequester, that is apparently the Democrat's fault, we end up with something in the range of 10% reduction in real dollars.

Why, if you're looking for spending cuts, are you pissing and moaning about the first government to give us real spending cuts in generations?
 
2013-02-24 01:09:07 PM  

fusillade762: make me some tea: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.

I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.

I'm constantly astounded and dismayed by the number of Americans who don't understand basic civics concepts:

The difference between deficit and debt
What's actually contained in the constitution and bill of rights
What the three branches of government are

Yet you have a significant number who believe in

UFOs
Ghosts
Angels
Leprechauns
Witches
The sun revolves around the Earth

And they still get to vote.


I bet you don't know the three branches of the US government, but we still let you vote.
 
2013-02-24 01:17:12 PM  

Generation_D: This rush to cut spending really looks like baby boomer derp to me. 40 years of gimme gimme and now that they're all hitting retirement, its holy sh*t lets cut everything that everyone else depends on.


This this thisity this.

Most coddled generation in history.
 
2013-02-24 02:21:52 PM  

Zeno-25: Obama should just start treating the GOP majority in the House for what it is, illegitimate. Dem candidates for the House got half a million more votes around the country than the GOP, and yet the GOP has a majority by several dozen seats.


RIP: Dem talking point about how they vote for the person and not the party. We barely knew ye. 1994-2012
 
2013-02-24 02:25:58 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


Are you blind or just stupid? Obama can't force anyone to come to the table in a bipartisan manner and work this out. When you have a party of racist redneck dumbshiats who are only interested in doing the opposite of everything Obama says, what are you supposed to do?

I'd like to see Obama start issuing a bunch of executive orders. Fark the Republicans.
 
2013-02-24 02:44:50 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


You have a very skewed perception of reality.
 
2013-02-24 04:03:38 PM  

King Something: make me some tea: SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem. The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.

40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

[www.people-press.org image 299x287]

I would imagine that that same 51% would not lay the blame exclusively on the Republicans in Congress (though 11% would give them at least part of the blame, so they have that going for them, which is nice; still smarter than the 31% who are teabaggers and 8% who have been living under a rock for the past 5 years)


I would imagine that most of those 51% would give the republicans credit for the sequester which will cut all that spending.  These same people will blame Obama for any economic impact felt from the sequestor.
 
2013-02-24 04:33:26 PM  

Zeno-25: Animatronik: If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it. IF a D proposes no spending cuts, I think voters need to be made aware of what the consequences will be. Using Republicans and Bush and whatever else as an argument for no cuts, during the biggest spending administration in U.S. history, isn't going to work. As long as Democrats oppose real spending cuts a substantial group of people will work to get them out of office.

Reality below, folks, typical right-wing delusion above.


As has been pointed out many times, when you set your baseline after increasing spending by 900 billion, the reality is that you are pushing a lie.

/sure you don't have to INCREASE spending by much when you are already spending well ove 3 trillion while taking in just ove 2 trillion in revenue.

You're just playing the numbers to pretend Democrats are some sort of wise and parsimonius because they ONLY borrowed a trillion every year, more than any other party in power in history, without increasing it even more.

Party's over for the lying douchebags. Yes, you hit the spending limit, yes you will make cuts.
 
2013-02-24 05:31:16 PM  

arentol: I bet you don't know the three branches of the US government, but we still let you vote.


Why would I make fun of people for not knowing something I also don't know?
 
2013-02-24 06:11:31 PM  

arentol: I bet you don't know the three four branches of the US government, but we still let you vote.


You forgot the "Lobbyist" branch.
 
2013-02-24 07:38:39 PM  

Animatronik: Zeno-25: Animatronik: If a D proposes spending cuts, I am all for it. IF a D proposes no spending cuts, I think voters need to be made aware of what the consequences will be. Using Republicans and Bush and whatever else as an argument for no cuts, during the biggest spending administration in U.S. history, isn't going to work. As long as Democrats oppose real spending cuts a substantial group of people will work to get them out of office.

Reality below, folks, typical right-wing delusion above.

As has been pointed out many times, when you set your baseline after increasing spending by 900 billion, the reality is that you are pushing a lie.

/sure you don't have to INCREASE spending by much when you are already spending well ove 3 trillion while taking in just ove 2 trillion in revenue.

You're just playing the numbers to pretend Democrats are some sort of wise and parsimonius because they ONLY borrowed a trillion every year, more than any other party in power in history, without increasing it even more.

Party's over for the lying douchebags. Yes, you hit the spending limit, yes you will make cuts.


You're dumb, and should feel bad about yourself.

Hint: it's the legislatures job to pass a budget. Obama can talk shiat all he wants, because its the republican legislature that's failing.

Stop being misogynist, racist, militarist, rape loving, gay hating, civilian slaughtering douche nozzles, and maybe you can be worth talking to.

Until then I will spend my time denigrating you for being a lying, evil, piece if flotsam, who should probably be probed and raped just for your support of it.
 
2013-02-24 07:40:39 PM  

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.


And that's where I stopped reading your post.  Don't throw that bullshiat around here; that may work with Fox News viewers, but most of us here were paying attention.
 
2013-02-25 03:58:01 AM  

tony41454: Obama: the boy would cried wolf.


Projection and lies are all you morans have left.

GL w/ that.

/Snark.
 
2013-02-25 04:00:55 AM  

Mrbogey: Zeno-25: Obama should just start treating the GOP majority in the House for what it is, illegitimate. Dem candidates for the House got half a million more votes around the country than the GOP, and yet the GOP has a majority by several dozen seats.

RIP: Dem talking point about how they vote for the person and not the party. We barely knew ye. 1994-2012


Still refusing to own up to the fact that the GOP have gerrymandered their way to an illegitimate victory in the House?

Party of No personal responsibility at all strikes again.

My surprised face...
 
2013-02-25 09:32:22 AM  

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


I think they will pay for it well in the 2016 cycle to.

I can't believe the GOP can't see it. The majority of people know the GOP is why this hasn't been addressed. They have this fantasy that they will pin it on the President (who can't run again anyway).

thatbeadgirl.com
They appear to be ingesting mass quantities of illegal pharmaceuticals.
 
2013-02-25 10:34:22 AM  

quatchi: Mrbogey: Zeno-25: Obama should just start treating the GOP majority in the House for what it is, illegitimate. Dem candidates for the House got half a million more votes around the country than the GOP, and yet the GOP has a majority by several dozen seats.

RIP: Dem talking point about how they vote for the person and not the party. We barely knew ye. 1994-2012

Still refusing to own up to the fact that the GOP have gerrymandered their way to an illegitimate victory in the House?

Party of No personal responsibility at all strikes again.

My surprised face...


What responsibility? Democrats and Republicans have redrawn lines to ensure safer seats. Democrats making a deal that helps them secure seats and then demanding a new deal when the deal doesn't give them an absolute clear benefit.

This is my surprised face.
 
2013-02-25 03:04:06 PM  

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


True true,  Dem blame Reps, Reps blame Dems, Kind of like all those shiathole countries that blame Israel for all their problems.  Then again, we are incapable of holding our elected "leaders" accountable for continued failure.
 
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