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2013-02-23 06:08:42 PM

fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

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See my directly above comment from yours. This is exactly what I mean.

Truth be damned I want my expectations filled
 
2013-02-23 06:11:17 PM

violentsalvation: JerkyMeat: GOPers are truly the enemy of this nation and they ought to be rounded up and slaughtered wholesale for the greater good.

Let the hate flow through you.


Putting out rat poison doesn't mean you hate the rats. Killing off the little bastards is a matter of public health. Same thing here.
 
2013-02-23 06:12:07 PM

Mrbogey: quatchi: Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

[looks]

Yea, you're delusional. Unless you think TPM, NYT, ThinkProgress, and NBC count as rightwing.

So oppressed...


Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.

Most media is corporate first and foremost.

Actual journalists value impartiality.

There is no liberal equivalent of FOX on American TV.

Just as there is no liberal equivalent of Rush on radio.

On the whole RW media predominates in the US and has for quite some time.

But most RWers tend to stick with thinking they are the oppressed minority on that front.

Nice projection there, btw.

Never saw that coming.

*eyeroll*
 
2013-02-23 06:15:42 PM
Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:10 PM

clambam: The GOP: Party of Traitors.


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2013-02-23 06:16:11 PM

tEh_PenGuin: I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?


I honestly don't know. I began to move to the center in my late teens, when I started to tire of my dad's tirades about Bill Clinton and black helicopters. I moved quite a bit to the left after 9/11/2001, though.
 
2013-02-23 06:16:32 PM

fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.


This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.
 
2013-02-23 06:20:48 PM

quatchi: Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.


What's funny is the labeling works the other way better. Whatever media isn't framing a story precisely the way that serves liberal, progressive, left-wing interents gets labeled as conservative.  The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points. So is TPM. So is WashPo. You decline to accept this because you see the framed narrative as the baseline unbiased narrative.

That you can't conceptualize arguments to factor in the biases of the reporting entity is a failure of yours. Not mine.
 
2013-02-23 06:22:02 PM

SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.


40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

www.people-press.org
 
2013-02-23 06:23:50 PM

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.


I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.
 
2013-02-23 06:26:14 PM
Why are Republicans against sequestration all the sudden? I thought we had a spending problem, not a revenue problem? They don't want 98% of what they got?

Strange species, these Republicans...
 
2013-02-23 06:26:31 PM
FTFA: "...Republicans seem hell-bent on slowing job recovery through sequestration, which in some perverse way they see as a win."

I suppose Gov. O'Malley can't just say "the right-wingers will do everything they can think of, right or wrong, inclusive of destroying the nation, to discredit their opponents."
 
2013-02-23 06:30:27 PM
The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.
 
2013-02-23 06:37:53 PM

nmemkha: The cynic in me thinks American politics has devolved into a staged "good cop/bad cop" where the GOP plays the insane heels and foil to the Democrats. (See Professional Wrestling.)

The Democrats then offer policies that are favorable to the lobbyist and corporate interests, but seem wonderful compared to the weapon's grade derp coming from the other side.


I have always wondered about that and its implications.

In pro-wrestling, the crowd is a part of the show. The crowd can do as they are told (Cheer Hulk Hogan) or they can rebel (boo John Cena). And the crowd for their part loves this roll.

The crowd knows that it is a show and they are proud of being involved in the process.

I think GOP act the way they do is because they like being the bad guys. I think that the Democrats act the way they do is because they want to be the hero's fighting the honorable fight to the death. We are playing parts. It is a game and we are damn proud of playing it.
 
2013-02-23 06:41:02 PM

cman: Uranus Is Huge!: cman is backsliding.

Que?


For a while there, you seemed to be on the cusp of shedding your conservative blinders.
 
2013-02-23 06:43:12 PM

make me some tea: SoupGuru: Here's something that's important to keep in mind with these situations: it's not the Republicans that are the real problem.  The real problem is that half of this country apparently wants this.

40% said they would like to let the sequester happen, and 11% say they don't know, which makes 51% of Americans complete idiots.

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I would imagine that that same 51% would not lay the blame exclusively on the Republicans in Congress (though 11% would give them at least part of the blame, so they have that going for them, which is nice; still smarter than the 31% who are teabaggers and 8% who have been living under a rock for the past 5 years)
 
2013-02-23 06:44:45 PM
I vote we let the swamp return and let Congress realize how shiatty DC is when money isn't used to to keep things from going bad. Just a thought.
 
2013-02-23 06:47:40 PM
I'm starting to think maybe the teabaggers have the right idea (but the wrong targets). Maybe torches and pitchforks are the only way we'll ever get anything fixed.
 
2013-02-23 06:48:03 PM

make me some tea: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.

I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.


yep, had to do that just the other day.
 
2013-02-23 06:59:46 PM

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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2013-02-23 07:01:02 PM

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


If a majority of the military typically votes Republican, and this is a Republican budget, then they will pay dearly, as it disproportionally affects us in the military.
 
2013-02-23 07:01:11 PM

FloydA: Snotnose: FloydA: For three decades, taxes have been far too low.

For four decades, spending has been far too high.  I started paying attention in the 70's, it was clear even then this day would come.

It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.

I agree taxes need to go up.  But I want to see some real spending cuts first.  Congress is too adept at cutting a spending increase from 10% to 7%, then claiming they cut 3%.  No, you didn't.  You raised spending 7%.  Knock it the fark off.

There are things that have to be paid for.  Infrastructure, education, defense, and a hell of a lot more.  These things are necessary if we want to be a functioning society.  It's easy to say "spending is too high," but it's difficult to propose what should actually be cut.  Everyone wants to  cut "wasteful" spending, but what seems wasteful to one person is absolutely needed by another.

"Cut spending!" makes a good bumper sticker, but it is not a viable way to run a society.  If we want the benefits of civilization, we have to pay for them, and as long as population keeps growing, the costs are going to continue to increase.


THANK YOU.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:37 PM

Mrbogey: quatchi: Any media that isn't specifically rooting for the GOP =/= Liberal media.

What's funny is the labeling works the other way better. Whatever media isn't framing a story precisely the way that serves liberal, progressive, left-wing interents gets labeled as conservative.  The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points. So is TPM. So is WashPo. You decline to accept this because you see the framed narrative as the baseline unbiased narrative.

That you can't conceptualize arguments to factor in the biases of the reporting entity is a failure of yours. Not mine.


So your argument is, in essence, "I'm rubber, you're glue" and then claiming that anyone else claiming to be rubber is in fact mistaken, because you said so.

Coming from a gopshill, I'm not surprised.
 
2013-02-23 07:04:48 PM

FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.


FTFY
 
2013-02-23 07:09:05 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Doesn't matter.  It's still Obama's fault.
 
2013-02-23 07:13:15 PM

lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY


That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.
 
2013-02-23 07:15:50 PM

make me some tea: Tripp Johnston Private Eye: fusillade762: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Ayup.

This is mind boggling stupidity, but then again I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to people the government doesn't have a budget like a household, so it shouldn't be too surprising. Depressing depressing times these are.

I've lost count with the number of times (including with my own mother just yesterday) that ObamaCare is not itself an insurance plan. Too many people are egregiously under or misinformed about a lot of things.


I'm constantly astounded and dismayed by the number of Americans who don't understand basic civics concepts:

The difference between deficit and debt
What's actually contained in the constitution and bill of rights
What the three branches of government are

Yet you have a significant number who believe in

UFOs
Ghosts
Angels
Leprechauns
Witches
The sun revolves around the Earth

And they still get to vote.
 
2013-02-23 07:16:07 PM

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


I think you mean a rational self interested person. I don't think the GOP is rational.
 
2013-02-23 07:16:28 PM
Hey, I'm impressed he made it this far.  I gave up on the GOP in the spring of 2011.  Genius I am, I figured that maybe the Teabaggers would force the GOP to at the very least lay off the panty-sniffing.  How wrong I was!
 
2013-02-23 07:16:49 PM

Heraclitus: This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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According to Google Search, the computer from which you are posting is probably infected with a virus.

Goodluck.
 
2013-02-23 07:18:51 PM

FloydA: lohphat: FloydA:  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots greedy.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.

FTFY

That's the thing though.  If greed was their sole motivation, they'd realize that you can only kill a merchant once, but you can rob him every day.  A truly self-interested person wouldn't be acting like the GOP either.  They're willing to destroy themselves and their entire country, just to prevent the economy improving while Obama is in office.  It's bizarre.


I think it was Yves Smith who runs Naked Capitalism that said when she worked at Goldman even in the early 90's the unspoken rule was "Shear, not slaughter," so I totally agree with you. There's something more than just simple greed at hand.
 
2013-02-23 07:20:57 PM

Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points


No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.
 
2013-02-23 07:24:10 PM
There's some talk that the House may decide to lighten the load of the sequester somewhat by allowing department heads the ability to direct the nature of the cuts rather than force an across the board cut regardless of program.  If that's the case, I hope they start cutting a bunch of unnecessary bullshiat (extra F35 engines and excess M1 tank production spring to mind).
 
2013-02-23 07:24:24 PM
I cannot decide- is the GOP circa 2013 turdburglars or seeking to create
an religious utopia circa mid nineteenth century (Oneidans, Mormons, etc)?

also are there other options?
 
2013-02-23 07:25:02 PM

quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.


He won't be deterred with logic; he gets his ass reamed by twelve different Farkers every time he types and keeps on herpin.'
 
2013-02-23 07:32:53 PM

quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.


Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."

Tripp Johnston Private Eye: He won't be deterred with logic; he gets his ass reamed by twelve different Farkers every time he types and keeps on herpin.'


You did a good job running off with your tail between your legs when I challenged you in the other thread. You and a dozen other people herpaderping factless assertions at me doesn't count as an ass reaming. But you continue to believe your sarcasm is as good as my evidence and citations.
 
2013-02-23 07:47:36 PM

Mrbogey: quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.

Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."


Huh, look at that.  You fell for the same trap he did.  If it's not absolutely constructionist, it's not conservative and hence liberal.

Sad.
 
2013-02-23 07:53:17 PM
"Cannot play with them, cannot win with them, cannot work with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win." -- Barack Singletary on Vernon Davis (R-CA)
 
2013-02-23 07:59:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

So that means things will be fine for the GOP.

With the sequester, the government will spend more this year than last year.  No one will notice unless the press decides to hype this in 6 months from now.


I like reading real Republican tears as they realize they will be affected. Link
 
2013-02-23 07:59:39 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Thus Obama won a majority of voters.

Poor President Obama.  Those mean Republicans - not doing exactly what Obama wants.

What's wrong with them?  Why don't they just forget their principles and do whatever he wants?

Stoopid jerks!
 
2013-02-23 08:00:12 PM

namatad: Snotnose: Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that

THIS
look at the over reaction at the TSA and homeland security.
rather than cut some pork project, they are going to cut back on airport security??
fire them all


Nobody will miss the TSA.
 
2013-02-23 08:02:07 PM
The people have spoken!
 
2013-02-23 08:04:13 PM

Truther: Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.

Thus Obama won a majority of voters.

Poor President Obama.  Those mean Republicans - not doing exactly what Obama wants.

What's wrong with them?  Why don't they just forget their principles and do whatever he wants?

Stoopid jerks!


You know exactly what Obama wants was exactly what the GOP wanted roughly a decade ago, right?
 
2013-02-23 08:05:10 PM

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


The ringleaders are either retiring, in safe districts, or have to be this derpy to keep their seat.  Any way, these guys will either not be harmed by derping it up, or actually be helped by it.
 
2013-02-23 08:09:15 PM
Boy y'all have really been guzzling the kool-aid. It was the Obama administration that gave us the sequestration. Even Bob Woodward, famous investigative journalist says, "The Sequester was Obama's idea."

Now Obama gets back from his tough golf weekend with Tiger and claims sequestration is the end of the world. Funny, Obama never mentioned...it was his idea. He never mentioned that the specific Obama lackey who created the idea was Jack Lew--who Obama has just nominated to become Treasury Secretary.

That's right- sequestration is such a bad idea, causing such an economic crisis, that Obama is rewarding the guy who thought it up by putting him in charge of the entire U.S. economy. Where are the screaming headlines in the mainstream media pointing out that Obama is the world's biggest hypocrite?

To make this Saturday Night Live skit even funnier, Obama the man of the working people, the man of the middle class, first picked a tax cheat, Tim Geithner, as his first term Treasury Secretary. Then for his second term, he picked Jack Lew- who invests his money in a Cayman Islands fund housed in the building that Obama has called "the greatest tax scam in the world."

With guys like that in charge of the economy and our tax system, it sure sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me.

Obama also claimed that the sequestration cuts will cause job losses among policeman, firemen and teachers. Why isn't the media pointing out that policemen, firemen and teachers are hired on the local and state level. Oops, Obama is caught in another fabrication.

And by the way...aren't there other government employees besides policemen, firemen, and teachers? Shouldn't the media point out to only bring up those three classes of employees is complete deception- like a conman selling his con?

Did you know the average government janitor is paid $600,000 more over his lifetime than a janitor working in the private sector?

Why doesn't Obama mention janitors when we talk about cutting government spending? Because the image of a government janitor or meat inspector would not bring tears to voters' eyes. It wouldn't sell his Ponzi scheme. The media says nothing.

Why doesn't the media point out that Obama spent us into bankruptcy by adding almost $6 trillion to the national debt in only four years. If anyone loses their jobs, it's not because of the miniscule $85 billion sequestration. That's a spit in the ocean. It's because of the $6 trillion of reckless spending over the past 4 years. Obama is the one to blame for people losing their jobs. Why doesn't the media point that out? Their silence makes them accomplices in the Ponzi scheme.

Why aren't they pointing out that the economy is in shambles, gas prices have risen 32 days in a row, WalMart executives are calling sales to start the year "a total disaster"...that's a quote... while President Obama, a Democrat who supposedly cares about poor people and working-class people...golfs with Tiger Woods in Florida, works on his golf swing with Butch Harmon, and parties at billion dollar resorts on Valentines weekend...with the world's most notorious womanizer...with the press denied access...with his wife on a separate vacation in Aspen. Do you think the media would be silent about all this if the Presidential couple partying in Florida and Aspen were Ronald and Nancy Reagan?

The reality is we have an economic crisis, bordering on a total collapse, because of specific Obama policies. He spends too much. He taxes too much. He wastes our money on green energy. It isn't working. The chickens are coming home to roost. The first quarter is "a total disaster" because Obama raised income taxes on the rich and payroll taxes on the middle class. When you tax people they have less money to spend.

At the same time, everyone is getting hit with rocketing gas prices, while Obama wastes your money on solar energy scams...on wind energy scams...on electric cars that no one wants to buy... on fraudulent biofuel standards that are impossible to obtain. Obama declares millions of acres of oil-rich lands off-limits to drilling. His EPA policies drive coal out of business. And we wonder why gas and energy prices are skyrocketing?

The economy is in meltdown because of Obama's policies. In response, he spends his weekends consulting with Tiger Woods and Butch Harmon. Yet the media says nothing. Just another day in Obamageddon.

The sequestration isn't the threat folks. The greatest threat to the future of America is Obama. --Wayne Allyn Root
 
2013-02-23 08:10:15 PM
Now is as good a time as any to make the leap from Republic to Empire
 
2013-02-23 08:15:16 PM
tony41454: DEEEERP

How am I supposed to take you seriously when you called the President "The House Negro in chief"
 
2013-02-23 08:17:12 PM

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


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2013-02-23 08:19:42 PM

Mrbogey: quatchi: Mrbogey: The NYT is a liberal paper that supports the DNC talking points

No matter how many times you tell yourself that it simply isn't true.

America's "document of record" supports the status quo first and foremost.

Apparently the status quo is DNC talking points.

Let's ask Dan Okrent what he thinks

"OF course it is."


Let's ask the NYT publisher.

From your link: TIMES publisher Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. doesn't think this walk through The Times is a tour of liberalism. He prefers to call the paper's viewpoint ''urban.'' He says that the tumultuous, polyglot metropolitan environment The Times occupies means ''We're less easily shocked,'' and that the paper reflects ''a value system that recognizes the power of flexibility.''

My take is that the NYT is arguably more liberal than conservative but that comes from being a newspaper in a very urban environment with all the sensibilities that entails and that the NYT at least brings objectivity and balance into the mix. Apparently you don't understand the meaning of talking points. The fact that the NYT has been held up as a bogeyman for decades by RW media types is largely responsible for the fact that the RW complaints about the NYT's reporting are always louder than the LW complaints about the same.

Here's one of a number of instances where FOX news literally read GOP talking points, note for note, word for word (including a typo) and tried to pass it off as their own work.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/10/fox-passed-of-gop-talking_n _1 65720.html

Wake me up if you ever find the NYT or any LW source going that far.
 
2013-02-23 08:22:10 PM

Snotnose: This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


You're confused.
 
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