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2013-02-23 05:10:20 PM
Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?
 
2013-02-23 05:12:16 PM

The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?


People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.
 
2013-02-23 05:12:56 PM

GAT_00: About time this dumbass figured this out.


THIS
 
2013-02-23 05:14:22 PM

FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.  Boehner says he got 98% of what he wanted, and the Republicans blame the remaining 2% for all of the world's problems.

For three decades, taxes have been far too low.  We need to get back to a reasonable tax structure and start paying our bills with actual income rather than with borrowed money.  That may hurt in the short term, but it's necessary.  If the Republicans don't understand that, it is because they are idiots.  There is no other reasonable explanation for their behavior.


They're not idiots, they're just paid for by rich people who are trying their damndest to make this a neofeudal society of bullshiat.  and they've just about won.
 
2013-02-23 05:16:42 PM
I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.
 
2013-02-23 05:18:19 PM
All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.
 
2013-02-23 05:20:03 PM
No, the problem is that Obama, despite all attempts to the contrary and all efforts to get him to see reason, continues to be black and seems intent on remaining black for the remainder of his presidency. Can't anyone else see how unreasonable he's being about all this?
 
2013-02-23 05:20:30 PM

JohnnyC: I knew the sequestration was going to go into effect when it was originally put in place. Republicans don't bargain honestly, with good intention, or in good faith. They're never going to. They're going to keep trying to tear the country down unless they get more power. If they were to get more power, all they'd do is abuse it for their own gain. There is nothing at all that I consider redeemable or worthwhile about the Republican party. The best we can hope for is that sometime in the near future they are dissolved as a viable party and a more reasonable, honest, and well meaning political party rises up to take its place. The Tea Party isn't it... The Green party isn't it... Definitely not the libertarians... I suspect it would have to be an entirely new party.

Unfortunately, I also suspect that it's going to take a long time for the Republicans party to dissolve. Until then, we're just going to have to keep putting up with their shenanigans and trying to fix the messes they leave in their wake.


This. Oh so very much this.
 
2013-02-23 05:21:45 PM
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And this is the way the two parties work together to bleed your public money to the rich, by playing "Good Cop/ Bad Cop."  Too-Hoo.

/derp
 
2013-02-23 05:23:31 PM
Obama should have reached that conclusion about four years ago.

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


No, because GOP voters are too stupid to know what's good for them. They'll blame it on the socialists and keep on voting GOP. The only non-retards who still vote GOP are the few who benefit from their policies.

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2013-02-23 05:23:43 PM

cman: The Evil Home Brewer: Is it too much to simply wish for a government that put the needs of the people ahead of some political agenda?

People in power are there because they like power. Selfishness is human nature. To them, what they want always matters above what anyone else wants.


Except when protected by gerrymandered districts, our elected officials are there because more people voted for them than the other guy. It has little to do with selfishness. Either they support the programs their constituents support, or they'll be voted out.
 
2013-02-23 05:26:39 PM
This is the Republican Party's fault.
It is the entire Republican Party's fault.
It is only the Republican Party's fault.


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2013-02-23 05:28:15 PM
How big was the 2x4 that finally knocked this realization into him.

Love ya Barack but the GOP just isn't that into you.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:31 PM

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
www.washingtonpost.com(hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.
 
2013-02-23 05:28:51 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


I categorically disagree. Remember: a lot of ignorant idiots don't vote. If this were true, gerrymandering wouldn't work because the Tea Party would be the absolute 60/40 majority.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:35 PM
Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:29:59 PM
Are there any polls on whom is being blamed by voters for these potential cuts? I tried TPM, but I didn't see a poll addressing this issue.
 
2013-02-23 05:30:28 PM

Snotnose: I fail to see how the GOP is at fault.  Remember, the first sequester was a result of Obama not being willing to cut spending.  So in December they raised taxes and kicked the can down the road.  Now, 6 weeks after getting his tax increase he wants another tax increase to make it "balanced".

Keep in mind they're talking 2% of the federal budget.  This being the guv'mint, they're working hard to figure out how to make that 2% hurt as much as possible.  Got a hangnail?  Arms gotta come off at the elbow, sorry bout that.

This is one issue in which I'm 100% on the GOP's side.  Quit spending money you don't have.  Quit sending money to the Alaskan Salmon Industry when you're supposed to be helping victims of hurricane Sandy.


We had a $3 billion surplus in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:31:19 PM
Right now 25% of the electorate will follow the repubs wherever they go, whatever the outcome. Forty percent of the electorate will, within reason, follow the Democrats wherever they go whatever the outcome (I said "within reason;" if the Democrats start to act as crazy as the repubs, they will lose the moderate wing pronto). Five percent of the electorate are former repubs who have removed themselves from voting in national elections because they can't bring themselves to vote for the crazy party OR for the Democrats. That leaves 30% of the electorate up for grabs. Under ordinary circumstances they will split down the middle, 15% for each, which gives the Democrats the win. Even if the 5% disillusioned repubs come back into the fold (which they more or less did, reluctantly, in 2012), the Democrats still win. In order for the repubs to win a national election, they need their entire base of crazies, the disillusioned 5%, and two thirds of the independent vote. Furthermore, that undecided contingent specifcally excludes the blacks, who have been written off by the repubs as a bad bet and will never again vote for a repub candidate in our lifetimes.

But the repubs cannot bring in that 20% unless they moderate their stances on abortion, immigration and, to a lesser extent, gay rights. If they do that, they will lose a sizable percentage of the 25% crazy Teatard vote which currently constitutes their base. The repubs are beyond being between a rock and a hard place. They literally cannot win under any reasonable scenario (can you imagine what the Democrats' winning percentage would have been in the last election had their candidate been white?) and I think they're aware of the fact. Under the circumstances they can hope for a meltdown on the Democratic side, or they can come up with some scheme to steal the election, or they can hunker down, hang on to their local seats which are safe until the next census, and hope for a miracle.

So the question is, why would the repubs allow the sequester to take place and the answer is, why not? They have nothing to lose. They have nothing to gain either, but at this point they are not acting rationally. Eric Cantor's and Lindsay Graham's seats are safe no matter what. The repubs will allow the sequester to take place, stand in the way of any attempt to ameliorate the effects and stand by as the country suffers because they want the country to suffer. America rejected the repub Party. America must be punished for that presumption. Who cares what happens to the yokels back home who elected them? Whatever their suffering, they will blame Obama any way, so why not pull the country down around everyone's ears and see what kind of money you can make in the process? This is how far they've fallen.

The GOP: Party of Traitors.
 
2013-02-23 05:34:06 PM

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.


Given Obama's cautious record over the past 4 years, that would be termed "unprofessional behavior."
 
2013-02-23 05:37:39 PM

Xythero: Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.

That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
[www.washingtonpost.com image 515x409](hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.


Those weren't cuts. Those were reductions in growth of spending across 10 years.

It's like saying I promise to give you a years worth of TotalFark and then come back and say that I'll only give you a month of TotalFark and you saying I cheated you out of 11 months of TotalFark. Obama's first budget was around 3.5 trillion. Now it's 3.8 trillion. Work it out to yourself how 3.8 is less than 3.5 and then get back to me.

But the hacks at CBPP say it so it must be true.
 
2013-02-23 05:38:39 PM

JerkStore: No, the problem is that Obama, despite all attempts to the contrary and all efforts to get him to see reason, continues to be black and seems intent on remaining black for the remainder of his presidency. Can't anyone else see how unreasonable he's being about all this?


Thank you for the best laugh of my day.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:05 PM
WELCOME TO WHAT THE REST OF US COULD CLEARLY SEE IN 2009, MISTER PRESIDENT!
 
2013-02-23 05:40:08 PM
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Burn it all down.   This nation is in desperate need of a mercy killing.
 
2013-02-23 05:40:22 PM
You know, if people hate tax hikes, we could always make up revenue shortages by retroactively fining all those banks that lied about the quality of the mortgage bonds that they were selling. Hell, I was just watching the BBC World News, and the UK has funded some great programs (like ones to help wounded vets) with monies raised from fining the banks.
 
2013-02-23 05:41:00 PM

neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.

Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.
 
2013-02-23 05:42:13 PM

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


I hope that if this does turn into a disaster, any republican in the US should not only forget running for election/re-election, but should grab a disaster bag and their Swiss Bank account checkbook, and GTFO uf the USA before we start bringing out the guillotines.

As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.
 
2013-02-23 05:44:38 PM

TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.


I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?
 
2013-02-23 05:45:39 PM

Mrbogey: Xythero: Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.

That isn't true.  He agreed to $1.7 trillion in cuts.  Remember this chart from a few weeks ago?
[www.washingtonpost.com image 515x409](hot)

We are already at more cuts than spending revenue increases.

Those weren't cuts. Those were reductions in growth of spending across 10 years.

It's like saying I promise to give you a years worth of TotalFark and then come back and say that I'll only give you a month of TotalFark and you saying I cheated you out of 11 months of TotalFark. Obama's first budget was around 3.5 trillion. Now it's 3.8 trillion. Work it out to yourself how 3.8 is less than 3.5 and then get back to me.

But the hacks at CBPP say it so it must be true.


Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:46:48 PM

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


You don't need a gun if your side controls the drones.
 
2013-02-23 05:52:42 PM
Deep cuts to education. Aging bridges left to crumble. Public housing slashed! Hundreds of thousands of old and disabled people kicked into the street.
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I LOVE IT! NYEH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
 
2013-02-23 05:52:47 PM
who cares about the nation's problems and all that shiat the important thing is if my team is winning or not go team GOP fark you libs
 
2013-02-23 05:54:14 PM

Snotnose: It's not a Pubs vs Dem issue either, both sides are addicted to spending.


No. The fact is that you cannot run a 2013 government on a 1983 level of tax revenue!
 
2013-02-23 05:55:08 PM
cman: quatchi: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

Only if the GOP aren't able to blame their inability to do their jobs on Obama and the Dems which seems to be their game plan here.

1. Fark things up deliberately.
2. Blame their fark ups on Obama
3. Profit?

You simply can't reason with people who've made being unreasonable a way of life.

I'm still not sure how it's gonna play with the non brain-dead citizenry. I mean for fook's sakes these morans even filibustered a Republican nom (a historical first) purely out of spite.

How can anyone look at the GOP these days and not immediately see them as the biggest stumbling block to progress?

Oh right, RW media rules the day. I keep forgetting that.


[itsaconspiracy]


Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.

FOX, stories about Rush, Daily Caller, American Thinker, World Net Daily, stories being featured on Drudge, Washington Times, WSJ, Newsbusters, Town Hall, NRO, Twitchy, etc etc.

Compare that to what? HuffPo? MoJo? Kos? MSNBC?

Then look me in the eye and try to say liberal media predominates.

Go ahead. I need a good laugh.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:21 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.


I was going to leave your comment be when you posted the surplus from January earlier in the thread but I figured why start up an argument with the blissfully unaware. However, that's nothing to crow about. Monthly surpluses do happen on occasion. Some months have better receipts than other months due to the way payments fall. That doesn't mean we'll have a yearly surplus though.

If you want the analogy to fit it would be this. We took in $100 but spent $110. We then got a raise to $102 but we spent $111. So yea, we reduced our deficit but  we've not actually done anything to stop the deficit spiral. As long as the check cashing place keeps taking our checks though, we're totes fine. Sure we could reduce our deficit so when they stop cashing our checks or charge us more we won't be hurt badly but nah... let it roll baby!
 
2013-02-23 05:56:34 PM

Mrbogey: All Obama had to do is compromise and do something about spending. He got his tax raises. When it came time to keep his end of the bargain and cut spending he's refused.

If he doesn't want to negotiate in good faith then I guess there's nothing to negotiate.


Again, we had a $3 billion surplus in January.
 
2013-02-23 05:56:36 PM

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


LOL! Keep puffing up and acting all tough guy, Descent Boy.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:33 PM

Mrbogey: TV's Vinnie: As for the Teahadists? Ohhhhhhhhman! Guillotines will be too merciful for what'll happen with them.

I seriously hope you're not stupid enough to think that would be a good thing. How good are you with a gun?


First off, viewing this austerity plan as payback for the Democrats getting their way on tax increases is beyond petty. Should we govern our nation based on playground rules? Do you realize what spending cuts would do to our economy right now? I suppose you can just blame it on the liberals when teachers are fired, roads deteriorate and North Korea decides to get all stabby because we can't "support the troops" like we used to.

Secondly, liberals are a youthful, healthy bunch. Most conservatives I know are 40+ and couldn't make it up two flights of stairs without panting and breaking out into a sweat. You assume, that because we eat sushi and read books that aren't crass political punditry, that we don't know how to fire a gun or have the know-how to survive your wet dream of an apocalypse. As a socialist commie muslim usurper who lives in farm country, I laugh at your assertions.
 
2013-02-23 05:58:47 PM

quatchi: Look at all the links to RW media platforms here on Fark.


[looks]

Yea, you're delusional. Unless you think TPM, NYT, ThinkProgress, and NBC count as rightwing.

So oppressed...
 
2013-02-23 05:59:01 PM

Mrbogey: Mike Chewbacca: Gee, how about if our revenue increased? If I make $100 a month and spent $98 of it, and then get a raise so I'm making $120 and I increase my spending to $110, I'm still saving money.

We had a surplus of $3 billion in January.

I was going to leave your comment be when you posted the surplus from January earlier in the thread but I figured why start up an argument with the blissfully unaware. However, that's nothing to crow about. Monthly surpluses do happen on occasion. Some months have better receipts than other months due to the way payments fall. That doesn't mean we'll have a yearly surplus though.

If you want the analogy to fit it would be this. We took in $100 but spent $110. We then got a raise to $102 but we spent $111. So yea, we reduced our deficit but  we've not actually done anything to stop the deficit spiral. As long as the check cashing place keeps taking our checks though, we're totes fine. Sure we could reduce our deficit so when they stop cashing our checks or charge us more we won't be hurt badly but nah... let it roll baby!


Yeah, what a farking monster Obama is:

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-02-23 05:59:11 PM

make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.


Unfortunately there is a huge percentage of people that will either forget, are so blinded by partisanship, or are easily fooled by propoganda that this won't have more than a couple points impact by the time midterms roll around.

On the other hand, a couple points is all it would take for a lot of those gerrymandered districts to change color.
 
2013-02-23 05:59:37 PM

make me some tea: Zombie DJ: FloydA: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The people who still support the GOP are going to continue to do so.  They blame Obama for everything.

This.
My father in law as an example.
They hate so much, their common sense is gone.

My mother and father are also examples. Speaking to them about politics is like trying to talk to fundies (their religion being staunch conservatism).


I am curious as to what made you different? What forked you away from the family norm?
 
2013-02-23 05:59:42 PM
cman is backsliding.
 
2013-02-23 05:59:52 PM

OneManArmy: First off, viewing this austerity plan as payback for the Democrats getting their way on tax increases is beyond petty. Should we govern our nation based on playground rules?


In their minds, they showed us theirs so now we must show them ours.
 
2013-02-23 06:01:40 PM
i48.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-23 06:02:35 PM
Mister President, they're called "Teatards" for a reason. Welcome to 2009.
 
2013-02-23 06:02:54 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: cman is backsliding.


Que?
 
2013-02-23 06:04:45 PM

homelessdude: neongoats: Thanks Obama, now you are in the place most of America, and indeed the free world is. The GOP is a fount of idiocy, hell bent on damaging and punishing America for re-electing Obama.

Just stop trying to reason with them. There is no point, and indeed, no reason to negotiate with legitimate rape loving, transvaginal ultrasound, militia worshipping, white power, Christian Taliban.


Treat them like the lunatic fringe, borderline psychopaths that they are. Mock them, denigrate them, humiliate them, but don't negotiate with them.



Christian Taliban......that makes so much sense.


img802.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-23 06:05:41 PM

quatchi: cman


You are seeing what you want to see, what fills your preconceptions. You want to be a victim so you can justify whatever response that you make. We all do it, including me. It is human nature, and it is better to be aware of it, to own it.
 
2013-02-23 06:06:40 PM

Bontesla: make me some tea: If this causes American voters actual pain, the GOP will pay for it dearly in the mid-terms.

The majority of voters are ignorant.


Ayup.

m.static.newsvine.com
 
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