Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore.
Not the whisky-drinking Indian nor the marine that went to war.

My grandfather, a member of the 5th Marine Division, was on Iwo Jima, Red Beach.  He passed away in the early 70's.  What those men went through, no one should have to endure.  My mom said that after he returned in late '45, he was never the same.  He left, as a square jawed Marine, but came back changed.
For months after, my mom remembers many a night of hearing him screaming in his sleep.  Because of a Jap mortar attack, he lost the hearing in his right ear, shrapnel wounds to his right side that killed a couple buddies.  Until the day he died, you NEVER walked up behind him unannounced and tapped him on the shoulder...he would turn around swinging.
The only lighthearted moment (he never said how he got it), was a officers sword he came back with.  When asked, he said he captured the officer, told him a joke, and the guy laughed to death.
Gramps, where ever you are, SEMPER FI!

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It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

You're a moron.

I think what he means is that it wasn't the first flag raising on Mount Suribachi.  It was done after the fact and not by the original fighters but rather by some Marines laying wire.

In the mean time, here's a nice song about one of the second group of flag raisers and how we didn't treat them any better when they came back than we do now: http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=80448954&ac=now

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It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No. As I recall from reading Flags of our Fathers, the photo of the first flag-raising (it's in TFA) was staged. The photographer had the dude in the foreground pose, etc etc. The second flag was just an impromptu replacement, it wasn't a photo op -- the guy who took the photo almost missed it, and iirc didn't even look through the viewfinder when he took the shot. He noticed the flag going up, and only had enough time to point his camera in the general direction and snap the shutter.

Letting old people get weepy over this shiat is the reason we have to waste ten minutes before every football game for our red, white, and blue circle jerk.

Since it is rain on parades day; I'll just add:

Call him drunken Ira Hayes; he won't answer anymore; not the whiskey drinkin' Indian or the marine that went to war.

/ for those not in the know, Ira Hayes was one of the marines in the flag picture on iwo. One of the three who survived the fighting on iwo. After the war; due to all of the publicity and stress; he became an alcoholic. He died in a ditch in 1955.

I say five million years.

So James Forrestal was a psychic?

jim32rr:
Not Smart or Funny, what happened to the Dumbass button?

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It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Here's one account from a different angle - the Coastie that allegedly gave them the famous flag.

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It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.

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It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

Happy Staged Propaganda Today!