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2013-02-23 10:39:42 AM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-23 11:22:42 AM
Happy Staged Propaganda Today!
 
2013-02-23 11:27:11 AM
Think I'll watch Flags of Our Fathers again
 
2013-02-23 11:46:48 AM
Well that sounds kinda imperialisty.
 
2013-02-23 12:17:15 PM

GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!


It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.
 
2013-02-23 12:18:54 PM
images.dakkadakka.com


And another 37,500 years past that ....
 
2013-02-23 12:25:09 PM

Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.


Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.
 
2013-02-23 12:36:31 PM

GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.


No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-02-23 12:39:53 PM

Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.


That's kind of what "staged" means, not that it was literally on a stage.  It wasn't the first flag raised.
 
2013-02-23 12:41:31 PM

Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.


It doesn't matter. If something involves someone being within 10 yards of a gun, GAT is going to spin it as negative and indicative of societal decline, and declare everyone involved a barbarian mouthbreather manipulated by shadowy forces.
 
2013-02-23 12:43:10 PM

vpb: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

That's kind of what "staged" means, not that it was literally on a stage.  It wasn't the first flag raised.


That's not what staged means. The photographers had no knowledge it was going to happen. The flag was being rplaced. Yeah if the a Marine publicist said hey guys get up there and set up some shots...yeah staged. MacArthur having his Leyte landing picture filmed repeatedly, yeah...staged.
 
2013-02-23 12:44:55 PM
www.unmuseum.org


Another "staged" flag raising for GAT
 
2013-02-23 12:45:25 PM
Staged also implies the battle was over, which it wasn't, it was still raging and would for weeks to come. Only three of the six guys who raised that flag survived that battle.
 
2013-02-23 12:56:11 PM

Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.


Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.
 
2013-02-23 01:10:45 PM
APPROVESi.imgur.com
 
2013-02-23 01:17:53 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Bismarck_Sea_(CVE-95)

Staged or not, let's honor the men who were there, such as my dad.
His ship ( above link ) was the last aircraft carrier lost in WWII and a lot of good men with her.
 
2013-02-23 01:29:26 PM
love that suribachi sauce.
 
2013-02-23 02:50:29 PM

SpikeStrip: love that suribachi sauce.


Yeah, I put that sh*t on everything.
 
2013-02-23 02:51:47 PM
media-cache-ec3.pinterest.com
 
2013-02-23 02:53:34 PM

vpb: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

That's kind of what "staged" means, not that it was literally on a stage.  It wasn't the first flag raised.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-23 02:53:38 PM
With any luck, we're fifty years away from never again needing a Marine Corps.
 
2013-02-23 02:54:10 PM
Letting old people get weepy over this shiat is the reason we have to waste ten minutes before every football game for our red, white, and blue circle jerk.
 
2013-02-23 02:54:21 PM

One Bad Apple: [www.unmuseum.org image 340x357]


Another "staged" flag raising for GAT


Im not sure thats the counter example you want to use. Pretty sure they packed the flag, pole, and camera just so that photo could be snapped. That was about as staged as it gets. Unless you are hinting at the sound stage conspiracy theory, in which case, lets just not add to the stupidity.
 
2013-02-23 02:55:58 PM
My paternal grandfather was actually standing behind the camera when this photo was taken (not the photographer though.)

/CSB, and stuff like that.
 
2013-02-23 02:56:21 PM
Salute.
 
2013-02-23 02:56:42 PM
i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 02:58:41 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Letting old people get weepy over this shiat is the reason we have to waste ten minutes before every football game for our red, white, and blue circle jerk.


Not Smart or Funny, what happened to the Dumbass button?
 
2013-02-23 02:58:57 PM
500 years at least

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-23 03:00:25 PM
Heh, usually Wikipedia photos are HUGE.  The one historically important image that should be and it's slightly larger than a thumbnail.

/citation needed
//my grandfather was lost in the battle
 
2013-02-23 03:03:31 PM

Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.


Here's one account from a different angle - the Coastie that allegedly gave them the famous flag.
 
2013-02-23 03:07:06 PM

vpb: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

That's kind of what "staged" means, not that it was literally on a stage.  It wasn't the first flag raised.


This wasn't exactly on a sound stage (no pun intended) after the fact. After they raised the flag, three of the six men in the photo were killed in the ongoing battle.
 
2013-02-23 03:07:29 PM

jim32rr:
Not Smart or Funny, what happened to the Dumbass button?



i512.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 03:09:01 PM
Right up there with Stalingrad, Okinawa, an Tarawa as extreme, primal, bloodshed. I cannot even imagine going through that.
 
2013-02-23 03:11:07 PM

macadamnut: jim32rr:
Not Smart or Funny, what happened to the Dumbass button?


haha declaring war in a thread honoring a battle.

Even your meta is meta
 
2013-02-23 03:11:08 PM

GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.


You're a moron.
 
2013-02-23 03:18:11 PM

peewinkle: Heh, usually Wikipedia photos are HUGE.  The one historically important image that should be and it's slightly larger than a thumbnail.

/citation needed
//my grandfather was lost in the battle


Did they ever find him?

/sorry, had to
 
2013-02-23 03:18:36 PM

GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.


No. As I recall from reading Flags of our Fathers, the photo of the first flag-raising (it's in TFA) was staged. The photographer had the dude in the foreground pose, etc etc. The second flag was just an impromptu replacement, it wasn't a photo op -- the guy who took the photo almost missed it, and iirc didn't even look through the viewfinder when he took the shot. He noticed the flag going up, and only had enough time to point his camera in the general direction and snap the shutter.
 
2013-02-23 03:22:19 PM

Ontos: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

You're a moron.


I think what he means is that it wasn't the first flag raising on Mount Suribachi.  It was done after the fact and not by the original fighters but rather by some Marines laying wire.

In the mean time, here's a nice song about one of the second group of flag raisers and how we didn't treat them any better when they came back than we do now: http://www.myspace.com/music/player?sid=80448954&ac=now
 
2013-02-23 03:28:05 PM
My grandfather, a member of the 5th Marine Division, was on Iwo Jima, Red Beach.  He passed away in the early 70's.  What those men went through, no one should have to endure.  My mom said that after he returned in late '45, he was never the same.  He left, as a square jawed Marine, but came back changed.
For months after, my mom remembers many a night of hearing him screaming in his sleep.  Because of a Jap mortar attack, he lost the hearing in his right ear, shrapnel wounds to his right side that killed a couple buddies.  Until the day he died, you NEVER walked up behind him unannounced and tapped him on the shoulder...he would turn around swinging.
The only lighthearted moment (he never said how he got it), was a officers sword he came back with.  When asked, he said he captured the officer, told him a joke, and the guy laughed to death.
Gramps, where ever you are, SEMPER FI!

i16.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-23 03:38:49 PM

Schroedinger's Glory Hole: Letting old people get weepy over this shiat is the reason we have to waste ten minutes before every football game for our red, white, and blue circle jerk.


GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.

You really need a dictionary.

 
2013-02-23 03:40:03 PM
I have a lot of trouble believing a "No shiat there I was" story from 70 years ago.  I know plenty of dudes from my unit that reclassed from 11B to VH1Storyteller as soon as they got home.  Even with only five years passing, those stories get more and more extravagant.  I wonder how many grandchildren fawn over a POG without even knowing.
 
2013-02-23 03:54:53 PM
So James Forrestal was a psychic?
 
2013-02-23 03:57:31 PM

macadamnut: jim32rr:
Not Smart or Funny, what happened to the Dumbass button?


[i512.photobucket.com image 745x443]


Heh heh heh heh...
 
2013-02-23 03:59:33 PM
Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore.
Not the whisky-drinking Indian nor the marine that went to war.
 
2013-02-23 04:00:40 PM
I say five million years.
 
2013-02-23 04:04:40 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: With any luck, we're fifty years away from never again needing a Marine Corps.


The problem is that a country that doesn't cultivate murderous fanaticism, at least in a small elite group, tends to get picked on by countries that do.
 
2013-02-23 04:06:09 PM

GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.


Yeah keep telling yourself that and it will become true, in your own land of make believe.
 
2013-02-23 04:06:39 PM

calbert: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x452]


Damn, that's brilliant.  I've been sitting here giggling for at least two minutes now.
 
2013-02-23 04:11:03 PM

LDM90: peewinkle: Heh, usually Wikipedia photos are HUGE.  The one historically important image that should be and it's slightly larger than a thumbnail.

/citation needed
//my grandfather was lost in the battle

Did they ever find him?

/sorry, had to


I'm thick-skinned so no worries, but no.
 
2013-02-23 04:32:28 PM
It's CORE, COOOORRRREEEEE! I don't understand why you lamebrains can't get this through you're libtard brains!

/Yes it was staged, but also apparently really happened if not quite in the same way
//DERTFA
 
2013-02-23 04:33:32 PM

GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.


It's not the "staged" part that bothers him. It's the "who let the farkinb boot lickin obdurate retards on the interweb" part that bugs him. Kinda bugs me too actually. Still, you have the right to troll and we have the right to know what a farkin retard you are.....Cheers!
Semper fi
 
2013-02-23 04:37:47 PM

Superjew: Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore.
Not the whisky-drinking Indian nor the marine that went to war.


That's what I came here to see. I am content.
 
2013-02-23 04:47:24 PM
Not to downplay the heroic flag raising and honest hard fighting by the marines, but the commanders who planned the attack should have been taken out and shot

8 sq mile island
22,000 Japanese defenders
5 Japanese per acre
They have been planning for this for 11 months

Here's the plan
Frontal assault
60,000 marines

Results
6,821 killed
19,217 wounded

They really needed to come up with something different than the traditional storming of the beaches.
 
2013-02-23 04:49:23 PM

Claude the Dog: Superjew: Call him drunken Ira Hayes, he won't answer anymore.
Not the whisky-drinking Indian nor the marine that went to war.

That's what I came here to see. I am content.


If you want to hear the best version of it you'll ever hear, scroll down to 3;22:19 (at least that's my local time).  Tom Russell's version which beats the hell out of Johnny Cash's or any other.
 
2013-02-23 04:54:57 PM
One of my grandfathers was born in America and went to Europe as a soldier to fight the Nazis.
My other grandfather fled to America once the Soviets decided the Nazis weren't treating their conquered people badly enough and took over.
I live a life of comfort and contentment, I can not imagine the things that they saw.

INeedAName:
Im not sure thats the counter example you want to use. Pretty sure they packed the flag, pole, and camera just so that photo could be snapped. That was about as staged as it gets. Unless you are hinting at the sound stage conspiracy theory, in which case, lets just not add to the stupidity.

I.. you... what?
I don't think people were under the assumption that an astronaut reached into his suit and grabbed a Kodak that he was able to sneak on board.
 
2013-02-23 04:55:22 PM

vossiewulf: Staged also implies the battle was over, which it wasn't, it was still raging and would for weeks to come. Only three of the six guys who raised that flag survived that battle.




Actually, they all died.

Some better than others.
 
rka
2013-02-23 04:56:04 PM
I just finished E.B. Sledge's book "With the Old Breed" about his accounts with the 1st Marine Division as they took Peleliu and Okinawa. It was one of the books that served as the basis for the HBO mini-series "The Pacific". Horrific stuff in the Pacific and what happened there seems to often get overshadowed by the European Theater.

If anything, it was nastier in the Pacific Theater, not only did you have an enemy trying to kill you and had no qualms about doing it in the nastiest way possible, that enemy wouldn't surrender as a rule so you had to ruthlessly kill each and every one of them in turn. That brutalizes a man. To top it off, the very environment you were fighting in also was conspiring to kill you with jungle rot, insects, disease and what not.
 
2013-02-23 04:56:54 PM

studs up: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Red Shirt Blues: GAT_00: Happy Staged Propaganda Today!

It wasn't staged moran. But then you're GAT so you probably already knew that.

Yes it was.  That famous picture was staged after the fact.

No you moran. The first flag was taken down on orders as the Marines wanted to keep it for themselves and not let a politician get his hands on it. It is now on display in the Marine Corp museum. A second flag was brought up the hill. The flag came from an LST and was much larger than the first. A section of drain pipe was found and the flag attached. A simple "hey guys lend a hand" was called out and the six flag raisers answered. Rosenthal lucked out as he turned and took the shot. There is even a color film of it. Nothing about it was staged. Just six Marines  following an order. It was even acknowledged in that bad John Wayne film in the opening credits that it was the second flag raising. Nothing was staged. Rosenthal was dogged for years and accused of posing the Marines in the scene. It just wasn't so.

Amazing how pissed off you can get for pointing out that a picture was staged.

It's not the "staged" part that bothers him. It's the "who let the farkinb boot lickin obdurate retards on the interweb" part that bugs him. Kinda bugs me too actually. Still, you have the right to troll and we have the right to know what a farkin retard you are.....Cheers!
Semper fi


I have an opinion based on facts and you don't like it?  Must be trolling.
 
2013-02-23 04:57:02 PM
Came for "Marine Core" jokes.

/disappointed
 
2013-02-23 04:58:49 PM
HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM

/happy day, day
 
2013-02-23 05:00:39 PM

JohnCarter: Not to downplay the heroic flag raising and honest hard fighting by the marines, but the commanders who planned the attack should have been taken out and shot

8 sq mile island
22,000 Japanese defenders
5 Japanese per acre
They have been planning for this for 11 months

Here's the plan
Frontal assault
60,000 marines

Results
6,821 killed
19,217 wounded

They really needed to come up with something different than the traditional storming of the beaches.


cache.desktopnexus.com
 
2013-02-23 05:17:21 PM

GAT_00: I have an opinion based on facts and you don't like it? Must be trolling.


You have an opinion based on partial facts and partial misinterpretation. Read "Flags of our Fathers" and then adjust your opinion, but do the research before forming the opinion.
 
2013-02-23 05:17:33 PM
Not to downplay the heroic flag raising and honest hard fighting by the marines, but the commanders who planned the attack should have been taken out and shot

8 sq mile island
22,000 Japanese defenders
5 Japanese per acre
They have been planning for this for 11 months

Here's the plan
Frontal assault
60,000 marines

Results
6,821 killed
19,217 wounded

They really needed to come up with something different than the traditional storming of the beaches.


So, given the technology and equipment available at the time, just how would you have done anything differently, General ?

Hemphead The bomb wasn't ready to be tested in February of 1945, though it would've been a good place to do so.
 
rka
2013-02-23 05:39:18 PM

shanteyman: Not to downplay the heroic flag raising and honest hard fighting by the marines, but the commanders who planned the attack should have been taken out and shot

8 sq mile island
22,000 Japanese defenders
5 Japanese per acre
They have been planning for this for 11 months

Here's the plan
Frontal assault
60,000 marines

Results
6,821 killed
19,217 wounded

They really needed to come up with something different than the traditional storming of the beaches.

So, given the technology and equipment available at the time, just how would you have done anything differently, General ?

Hemphead The bomb wasn't ready to be tested in February of 1945, though it would've been a good place to do so.


In the opinion of the men who fought on those islands....bypassed many of them entirely. They bypassed many others. Pelelui in particular had dubious strategic importance. The Marines in particular didn't like dying on shiathole islands just so Army General MacArthur could wade ashore in the Philippines in comfort.
 
2013-02-23 05:43:31 PM
I hope we still have people like these guys!
 
2013-02-23 06:37:37 PM
Bah. Flags are for lonely, weak morons.
 
2013-02-23 07:11:24 PM
Oo-Rah.
 
2013-02-23 07:16:22 PM
Go get both "Flags of our Fathers" and "Letters from Iwo Jima". Two more examples of why Clint Eastwood is one of this generation's great directors.
 
2013-02-23 08:08:32 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: With any luck, we're fifty years away from never again needing a Marine Corps.


As a former Marine, I can not agree with you more.
 
2013-02-23 08:21:55 PM

HempHead: cache.desktopnexus.com


Do you realize you posted a Bozo the Clown mushroom cloud?
 
2013-02-23 08:23:58 PM

rka: To top it off, the very environment you were fighting in also was conspiring to kill you with jungle rot, insects, disease and what not.


Yeah, I'm pretty happy to stay in the temperate zones. Fark the tropics, I'm okay with snow. Kills off the nastier diseases and the bugs that act as vectors. I'm a mammal, I can handle freezing temperatures.
 
2013-02-23 08:27:38 PM

gameshowhost: HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM

/happy day, day


Are you really saying that the Americans were "imperialists" in the Pacific Theater in WWII?

farking really?
 
2013-02-23 08:47:45 PM

Ontos: gameshowhost: HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM

/happy day, day

Are you really saying that the Americans were "imperialists" in the Pacific Theater in WWII?

farking really?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2013-02-23 08:58:33 PM
Since it is rain on parades day; I'll just add:

Call him drunken Ira Hayes; he won't answer anymore; not the whiskey drinkin' Indian or the marine that went to war.

/ for those not in the know, Ira Hayes was one of the marines in the flag picture on iwo. One of the three who survived the fighting on iwo. After the war; due to all of the publicity and stress; he became an alcoholic. He died in a ditch in 1955.
 
2013-02-23 09:07:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Think I'll watch Flags of Our Fathers again


My god why?  I tried to watch that.  I don't like war movies, generally, but enjoyed Letters so expected to enjoy Flags.  Gah, so disappointed.

It was absolute garbage, especially compared to Letters from Iwo Jima.  It's hard to believe the movies were made by the same man.  Maybe it was the actors that made it so corny (they distinctly lacked any sense of gravitas), maybe it was the script writers being poor compared to the Japanese ones.  Maybe it was the navel-gazing sentimental drek.  I don't know.
 
2013-02-23 09:59:54 PM
It doesn't matter where you're from, what you believe in, or who your brother or father is. We all end up in the same cold ground.
Sands of Iwo JIma
 
2013-02-23 10:02:35 PM

God-is-a-Taco: One of my grandfathers was born in America and went to Europe as a soldier to fight the Nazis.
My other grandfather fled to America once the Soviets decided the Nazis weren't treating their conquered people badly enough and took over.
I live a life of comfort and contentment, I can not imagine the things that they saw.



One of my grandfathers two brothers were at Pearl Harbor, Dec. 7, 1941 and the village his parents came from was completely wiped out during the war by the Germans.

My other grandfather lost two first cousins June 6, 1944 on the beaches of Normandy, at wars end his oldest son joined up and got there in time to pick up the bodies.  My uncle came back with stories like finding a soldier, which they thought was napping against a tree, tried to wake him only to find out he was in two pieces.

iheartscotch: Since it is rain on parades day; I'll just add:

Call him drunken Ira Hayes; he won't answer anymore; not the whiskey drinkin' Indian or the marine that went to war.

/ for those not in the know, Ira Hayes was one of the marines in the flag picture on iwo. One of the three who survived the fighting on iwo. After the war; due to all of the publicity and stress; he became an alcoholic. He died in a ditch in 1955.


You forgot to mention that he was also the only one of the surviving three that went back to fight and finish the war.  Although, I wouldn't blame his alcoholism on the publicity and stress.  They didn't help, but there is reason to believe he was a drunk before the war.  A lot of vets back then didn't get recognition during their lifetime.  He got recognition, but didn't want it.
 
2013-02-24 12:02:02 AM
"You people weren't booing when I was raising the flag on Mt. Suribachi."

garnetstevens.files.wordpress.com

/ You must be at least 50 years old to understand this reference.
 
2013-02-24 08:18:56 AM
My nephew is a Marine on USS Bataan, I wonder how they commemorate Iwo day on the boat?
 
2013-02-24 09:18:42 AM
I coincidentally watched The Pacific friday. Not as good as Band of Brothers.
 
2013-02-24 03:25:30 PM

Ontos: gameshowhost: HOORAY FOR IMPERIALISM

/happy day, day

Are you really saying that the Americans were "imperialists" in the Pacific Theater in WWII?

farking really?


Of course not. I'm totes into the core*

*thisistintentional
 
2013-02-24 03:32:27 PM

theorellior: HempHead: cache.desktopnexus.com

Do you realize you posted a Bozo the Clown mushroom cloud?


Send in the clowns....
There ought to be clowns
 
2013-02-24 04:43:57 PM

p51d007: My grandfather, a member of the 5th Marine Division, was on Iwo Jima, Red Beach.  He passed away in the early 70's.  What those men went through, no one should have to endure.  My mom said that after he returned in late '45, he was never the same.  He left, as a square jawed Marine, but came back changed.
For months after, my mom remembers many a night of hearing him screaming in his sleep.  Because of a Jap mortar attack, he lost the hearing in his right ear, shrapnel wounds to his right side that killed a couple buddies.  Until the day he died, you NEVER walked up behind him unannounced and tapped him on the shoulder...he would turn around swinging.
The only lighthearted moment (he never said how he got it), was a officers sword he came back with.  When asked, he said he captured the officer, told him a joke, and the guy laughed to death.
Gramps, where ever you are, SEMPER FI!

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Don't make 'em like that anymore
 
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