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2013-02-23 10:59:26 AM

Generation_D: Random nutjob attacking with assault weapons is way up since 2004.


[citation needed]

It seems that the number of mass shootings (defined as "gun homicides where at least 4 people were murdered") has been roughly constant since 1980. There's been some year-to-year variation but overall the trend is flat.
 
2013-02-23 10:59:29 AM

Benjamin Orr: Princess Ryans Knickers: Benjamin Orr: Princess Ryans Knickers: Giltric: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

How many murders?

Which part of gun death did you not understand? Always amazed at how many claim to be Christian but ignore Christ when it comes to weapons and violence.

So the suicides cut down the numbers too much for you?

So you have no empathy for your fellow man as espoused by Jesus?

Jesus wasn't real.... people who want to kill themselves usually find a way.

Try being honest.


i.imgur.com

"Death, uh...finds a way."
 
2013-02-23 11:00:04 AM
This is why you don't go to school on Saturday
 
2013-02-23 11:00:23 AM
All clear.
 
2013-02-23 11:00:28 AM

browser_snake: Generation_D: There's two stories with regard to crime and guns.

1) Over all crime is down, but

2) Random nutjob teenager or college studentattacking with assault weapons.22 rifles with cool styling is way up since 2004.

It can be both. And both can be addressed, if the gun nut crowd would compromise an inch on various common sense regs. if people would realize that we already have laws against shooting other people and instead support legislation to get dangerously mentally ill teenagers into treatment facilities where they can't just walk out 24 hours later.

But if they don't, I'd bet the eventual resulting laws will be worse. The gun nut crowd digs in its heels, which forces everyone else to dig in ours. And we outnumber the gun nuts.


Yeah, but they're, you know, armed.
 
2013-02-23 11:00:43 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are Christian than you shouldn't need a gun. Didn't Jesus say unto you that if you would just believe in Him that you would always be safe? Did He not say to lay down your swords (guns)?


You are posting on fark
 
2013-02-23 11:01:53 AM
Okay, not to interrupt the gun flame war, but no evidence was found that it even happened.  So I guess it's back to the lab for those MIT students.
 
2013-02-23 11:02:23 AM

clowncar on fire: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

And how many are left when you take out suicide and accidental shootings?


Is the argument here that without guns, suicides will happen at the same rate? And that without guns, accidental deaths will happen at the same rate?

I suppose it's fair enough that people who want to commit suicide should be allowed to do it by the most efficient and effective means. We wouldn't want them to fail and accidentally survive or something, and then eventually get out of their depression or whatever situation led them to attempt suicide and live productive and fulfilling lives. People who attempt suicide should be assisted in their efforts, because that will make more room for the rest of us to thrive. Right?

And those accidental shootings, well, that's just technologically facilitated Darwinism. Those people would inevitably find another way to accidentally die, ideally before they go and reproduce and pass on their accident-prone genes. We should make sure that everyone has a gun so that gun accidents help to weed out the ignorant and weaker members of society, leaving only the strong and intelligent. Right?

There are more reasons for better gun regulation (and regulation is more than just passing laws...) than just murders.
 
2013-02-23 11:02:29 AM

zakke: [www.studiohowell.com image 576x691]


THIS. Almost certainly this.
 
2013-02-23 11:02:56 AM
Threat  downgraded from active shooter to impolite society
 
2013-02-23 11:03:05 AM
It's a false alarm. They gave the all clear.
 
2013-02-23 11:03:09 AM
So I see that an all-clear was issued at 10:45 (about one hour and fifteen minutes after the original alert). When do we find out whether it was a false alarm?
 
2013-02-23 11:04:01 AM
Wow. Missed a simulpost by four seconds.
 
2013-02-23 11:05:07 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are Christian than you shouldn't need a gun.

hour children are learning not English good?

 
2013-02-23 11:05:10 AM
You'd think people who obviously like personal freedoms would support all personal freedoms; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

I feel that is what makes America great; the power to make choices. Can there be a right or wrong if you never had a choice?
 
2013-02-23 11:05:15 AM

browser_snake: Generation_D: There's two stories with regard to crime and guns.

1) Over all crime is down, but

2) Random nutjob teenager or college studentattacking with assault weapons.22 rifles with cool styling is way up since 2004.

It can be both. And both can be addressed, if the gun nut crowd would compromise an inch on various common sense regs. if people would realize that we already have laws against shooting other people and instead support legislation to get dangerously mentally ill teenagers into treatment facilities where they can't just walk out 24 hours later.

But if they don't, I'd bet the eventual resulting laws will be worse. The gun nut crowd digs in its heels, which forces everyone else to dig in ours. And we outnumber the gun nuts.


There are more guns than people in the US (the traceable guns).   Even if you were five to one, all it would take is another magazine to continue...
Hippies: ya don't have to lead 'em as much as you would a moose.
 
2013-02-23 11:05:29 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are truly Pro Life, you are NOT pro-gun.


Really?  Because one of the biggest Pro-Life organizations in the world even allows for violence, yes, even gun violence, if the situation warrants it.

Bellum iustum:

Jus ad bellum:
-Just Cause
-Right Intention
-Last Resort
-Significant Probability of Success
-Proportionality

Jus in bello
-Discrimination
-Proportionality

/I'll let you do the research, if you have questions
//I've already taken plenty of classes on it
 
2013-02-23 11:05:44 AM

misanthropologist: potterydove: You know what defeats standard body armor?

[www.aimsurplus.com image 480x312]

And this is precisely why the argument that more guns equals less gun violence breaks down. If everyone is armed, mass shooters will start wearing body armor (oh, wait, that has already started happening...), so everyone will want to carry armor piercing rounds, which will lead to more adaptation and escalation of armor and weapons, until we're all running around with rocket launchers mounted on our armor plated personnel carriers.


Regular old rifle cartridge FMJ goes through standard kevlar vests. You need ceramic plate to stop it, and even that will only stop the first one or two rounds. Kevlar is only good for pistol rounds.
 
2013-02-23 11:05:56 AM

iheartscotch: You'd think people who obviously like personal freedoms would support all personal freedoms; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

I feel that is what makes America great; the power to make choices. Can there be a right or wrong if you never had a choice?



If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
 
2013-02-23 11:06:09 AM

Giltric: Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are Christian than you shouldn't need a gun. Didn't Jesus say unto you that if you would just believe in Him that you would always be safe? Did He not say to lay down your swords (guns)?

I'm Muslim. My god says to kill everyone who doesn't agree with me.

NOW WHAT BIATCH?

COME AT ME INFIDEL!


no your not, your a trolololol
 
2013-02-23 11:06:11 AM

iaazathot: BlippityBleep: instant news hero? check.  soon to hear about some person that everyone knows has mental issues? check.  everybody pointing at guns while ignoring the previous two issues?  check.  lulz.

Hey, when the GOP stops trying to defund any and all mental health funding and allows the reporting of people diagnosed as "a danger to self and others" to the federal databases, then your point would have some merit.  Until then, its a bunch of crap.


erm, i'm a very liberal person and i'm support mental health funding completely.  as long as the focus is on helping people and not just the 'piss in public and your a sex offender' type of asshattery.
 
2013-02-23 11:08:28 AM

clowncar on fire: clowncar on fire: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

And how many are left when you take out suicide and accidental shootings?

I'm guessing you got this from the Slate site.  Like any other special interest site, it's going to be a bit biased, especially in its data collection. They are actively looking for submissions for people who died in a shooting- whether it be death by cop, accidental, self inflicted, in the commision of a crime, or what ever-- so they can add a another hash mark.

One could easily start a site in which the submitter is harrassed by gay people or the neighbor's pitbull attacked them.  Just pick a cause and ask for submissions, and don't forget to leave out the details that don't support your cause.


How is collecting data biased? The Slate site is counting how many people die by guns. That's just an empirical fact. The bias really only comes in when people start interpreting and using empirical evidence. For example, the way you've tried to parse the information - separating out murders from accidents, suicides, police use of force - can be a biased interpretation because you seem to be arguing that only murders should be considered significant gun deaths. The gun issue is much broader than murder, even if it is the mass shootings of innocent people (most exemplified in the Newtown shooting) that captures the public imagination. Gun murders are a problem. So are gun suicides. So are accidental gun deaths. So are police shootings. America needs a response that addresses all of these aspects of the problem, not one that narrowly focuses on mass shootings or even individual murders, while ignoring the suicides, accidents, and excessive use of force that guns allow.
 
2013-02-23 11:12:47 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Giltric: Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are Christian than you shouldn't need a gun. Didn't Jesus say unto you that if you would just believe in Him that you would always be safe? Did He not say to lay down your swords (guns)?

I'm Muslim. My god says to kill everyone who doesn't agree with me.

NOW WHAT BIATCH?

COME AT ME INFIDEL!

no your not, your a trolololol


Troll is such a harsh word I prefer the term sans alt
 
2013-02-23 11:13:08 AM

Rufus Lee King: Princess Ryans Knickers: If you are Christian than you shouldn't need a gun. Didn't Jesus say unto you that if you would just believe in Him that you would always be safe? Did He not say to lay down your swords (guns)?

Down by the riverside?

DOOOOWN BY THE RIV-AAAAAHHHH.... 

[www.hewlett.org image 430x227]

FTFY,  it is Boston after all.
 
2013-02-23 11:13:09 AM

Uisce Beatha: Rozinante: potterydove: You know what defeats standard body armor?

[www.aimsurplus.com image 480x312]

Define "standard". Most soft vests can be defeated by any rifle. Most plates can stop those. There's only a tiny steel tip.

Well, if you want to stick to 5.56 and have penetration, even through body armor, go with "barrier blind" ammo.


That should be even less effective.
 
2013-02-23 11:13:24 AM
Slate is crowd sourcing their data
 
2013-02-23 11:14:05 AM
Body armour wearing, rifle-carrying people don't kill people. Their pitbulls do. or something.
 
2013-02-23 11:14:18 AM

iheartscotch: You'd think people who obviously like personal freedoms would support all personal freedoms; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

I feel that is what makes America great; the power to make choices. Can there be a right or wrong if you never had a choice?


You'd think people who like sex would support all types of sex, not just the ones that they, personally, like. For example, I like sex with women, but if liking sex with women implies liking all kinds of sex, I'd have to also support people who like to have sex with children, or who like to have sex with animals, or who like to have sex with people against their will. That's the logic you're applying here.

We can make distinctions between activities and values, and we can negotiate and debate which ones are acceptable and which ones are not. We are, after all, humans, and that is what humans do that distinguishes us from other animals. But if we're going to do that well, we need to look at the real effects of various activities and value systems in terms of people's lives, the environment, etc., etc., etc. If we find that an activity or value system has effects that we do not find tolerable, we should try to change those activities or value systems to minimize or stop the intolerable effects all together. We are not bound to accept any and all beliefs and practices as morally or empirically equivalent and valuable just because they exist in the world.
 
2013-02-23 11:14:49 AM

Rozinante: Uisce Beatha: Rozinante: potterydove: You know what defeats standard body armor?

[www.aimsurplus.com image 480x312]

Define "standard". Most soft vests can be defeated by any rifle. Most plates can stop those. There's only a tiny steel tip.

Well, if you want to stick to 5.56 and have penetration, even through body armor, go with "barrier blind" ammo.

That should be even less effective.


It's not.  Not by a long shot.  My old job ran the testing for it.  Body Armor, even with plates, means very little to SOST ammo.
 
2013-02-23 11:16:00 AM

Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data


I wonder why they have to resort to doing that?
 
2013-02-23 11:17:12 AM

Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data


Is that a bad thing?
 
2013-02-23 11:17:19 AM
TFA says the all clear has been sounded.  Good.
 
2013-02-23 11:17:36 AM

misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

And how many are left when you take out suicide and accidental shootings?

Is the argument here that without guns, suicides will happen at the same rate? And that without guns, accidental deaths will happen at the same rate?

I suppose it's fair enough that people who want to commit suicide should be allowed to do it by the most efficient and effective means. We wouldn't want them to fail and accidentally survive or something, and then eventually get out of their depression or whatever situation led them to attempt suicide and live productive and fulfilling lives. People who attempt suicide should be assisted in their efforts, because that will make more room for the rest of us to thrive. Right?

And those accidental shootings, well, that's just technologically facilitated Darwinism. Those people would inevitably find another way to accidentally die, ideally before they go and reproduce and pass on their accident-prone genes. We should make sure that everyone has a gun so that gun accidents help to weed out the ignorant and weaker members of society, leaving only the strong and intelligent. Right?

There are more reasons for better gun regulation (and regulation is more than just passing laws...) than just murders.


Bubble wrap laws- welcome to the Nanny States of America where primary govermental function is to enact law to protect us from ourselves.  Oh, and let's not look into too many issues where the individual citizen may have to recognize they have only themselves to blame and that maybe, all the government intrusion in the world is not going to fix.  You know, cause it's always someone elses fault.
 
2013-02-23 11:18:19 AM

misanthropologist: How is collecting data biased?


Reality has a liberal bias.
 
2013-02-23 11:18:52 AM
Guns allow small powerless people to defend themselves from big angry people.  It is an equalizer.
 
2013-02-23 11:19:54 AM

clowncar on fire: misanthropologist: clowncar on fire: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

And how many are left when you take out suicide and accidental shootings?

Is the argument here that without guns, suicides will happen at the same rate? And that without guns, accidental deaths will happen at the same rate?

I suppose it's fair enough that people who want to commit suicide should be allowed to do it by the most efficient and effective means. We wouldn't want them to fail and accidentally survive or something, and then eventually get out of their depression or whatever situation led them to attempt suicide and live productive and fulfilling lives. People who attempt suicide should be assisted in their efforts, because that will make more room for the rest of us to thrive. Right?

And those accidental shootings, well, that's just technologically facilitated Darwinism. Those people would inevitably find another way to accidentally die, ideally before they go and reproduce and pass on their accident-prone genes. We should make sure that everyone has a gun so that gun accidents help to weed out the ignorant and weaker members of society, leaving only the strong and intelligent. Right?

There are more reasons for better gun regulation (and regulation is more than just passing laws...) than just murders.

Bubble wrap laws- welcome to the Nanny States of America where primary govermental function is to enact law to protect us from ourselves.  Oh, and let's not look into too many issues where the individual citizen may have to recognize they have only themselves to blame and that maybe, all the government intrusion in the world is not going to fix.  You know, cause it's always someone elses fault.


Shut up.  It's McDonalds' fault I'm fat.
 
2013-02-23 11:19:56 AM
LET'S ALL TWIRL TWIRL TWIRL IN PANIC!
 
2013-02-23 11:20:10 AM

Giltric: iheartscotch: You'd think people who obviously like personal freedoms would support all personal freedoms; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

I feel that is what makes America great; the power to make choices. Can there be a right or wrong if you never had a choice?


If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.


Indeed; the power to choose or delay your choice is powerful. The right to decide where you stand on any issue; regardless of what anyone else thinks is uniquely American.

/ I feel that it would set a very bad precident to null and void one of the rights mentioned specifically in The Bill of Rights. If one can be null and void; why not another?
 
2013-02-23 11:21:48 AM

Karma Curmudgeon: Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data

I wonder why they have to resort to doing that?


1)  Because the evil media is in coerts wif the gubmint and only real 'mericans can be relied upon to forward factual information
2)  Because slate is too lazy to dig or the real data just isn't there to support their assertions?
 
2013-02-23 11:22:10 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Benjamin Orr: Princess Ryans Knickers: Giltric: Princess Ryans Knickers: 2189 gun deaths in United States alone since Sandy Hook and counting

How many murders?

Which part of gun death did you not understand? Always amazed at how many claim to be Christian but ignore Christ when it comes to weapons and violence.

So the suicides cut down the numbers too much for you?

So you have no empathy for your fellow man as espoused by Jesus?


Isn't this the same Jesus whose Father told the Jews to completely destroy their enemies, killing every single one of them and demolishing any trace of them?

Just wondering...
 
2013-02-23 11:22:43 AM

misanthropologist: Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data

Is that a bad thing?


As long as you realize there will be some level of bias involved.

I would not blindly accept crowd sourced data from Fox News either.
 
2013-02-23 11:23:04 AM

IronTom: Guns allow small powerless people to defend themselves from big angry people.  It is an equalizer.


Makes all persons equal on a vital level.
Wonder why that is so important in our Constitution?

You can steal money, power, property and call yourself a good Republican with the help of a tight gang.
But a 98yo Ggrandmother can toast your cookies in one heartbeat.
Think about it.
 
2013-02-23 11:23:15 AM
Campus gave the all clear. Resume nerding in place.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:32 AM
Peace out my brothers.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:39 AM

Benjamin Orr: misanthropologist: Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data

Is that a bad thing?

As long as you realize there will be some level of bias involved.

I would not blindly accept crowd sourced data from Fox News either.


Explain the bias. I mean, sure, we should look at their method of going from crowd-sourced raw data to compiled and cleaned list of unique gun deaths, but if we're talking about compiling a list of gun deaths, I'm much more inclined to trust a crowd-sourced list compiled by a "liberal" media outlet than a "conservative" one, simply because I think the conservative one has a vested interest in underreporting the number, while the liberal one has a vested interest in accurately reporting the number.
 
2013-02-23 11:26:44 AM

iheartscotch: Giltric: iheartscotch: You'd think people who obviously like personal freedoms would support all personal freedoms; not just the ones that they, personally, like.

I feel that is what makes America great; the power to make choices. Can there be a right or wrong if you never had a choice?


If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Indeed; the power to choose or delay your choice is powerful. The right to decide where you stand on any issue; regardless of what anyone else thinks is uniquely American.

/ I feel that it would set a very bad precident to null and void one of the rights mentioned specifically in The Bill of Rights. If one can be null and void; why not another?


End Women's Suffrage Now !!!!
 
2013-02-23 11:27:21 AM
Sounds like some university got 'S.W.A.T.ted'.
 
2013-02-23 11:28:30 AM
My only regret is that we will probably never know what common object was mistaken for a rifle... or what kind of coat resembles body armor.
 
2013-02-23 11:29:11 AM

clowncar on fire: Karma Curmudgeon: Benjamin Orr: Slate is crowd sourcing their data

I wonder why they have to resort to doing that?

1)  Because the evil media is in coerts wif the gubmint and only real 'mericans can be relied upon to forward factual information
2)  Because slate is too lazy to dig or the real data just isn't there to support their assertions?


3) The actual data is maintained by the Justice Department but exempt from the FOIA, cannot be legally released, and the only person who could singly compile all the data from available public sources, i.e. local news, is Sarah Palin and she refuses to help.
 
2013-02-23 11:29:52 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: TFA says the all clear has been sounded.  Good.


nah, he just used a stealth boy.
 
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